Labour Wins

[Pissgai]

takes more than a dvd player to make someone middle class. 

I suppose, but my point is that the working class label no longer has a definitive definition these days; you could be "working class" and get uni degrees, which was generally reserved for the privileged classes, or apply for a "middle-class" job like a sales rep or a teacher if you're capable. Hence meritocracy.

Whether my parents like it or not, they're now living in middle-class conditions, despite their poor upbringing. Having a reserved parking space and a conservatory in their home promotes this.

[Christopher McCandless]

Bollocks.

People live easier lives than they did back in the 50's. We now have DVD players, tv's, electricity, gas, automobiles, supermarkets and so forth. The working class label is worthless.

We live in a meritocracy, people. Deal with that.

Wrong. Come to Durham and find out who actually gets to come here and then has daddy get them a job. No jokes.

As for back in the 50's, the main measurements are (a) education and (b) health (normally calculated in terms of relative life expectancy). Neither of which has gone forward really in practise - what we have is closer to an oligarchy than a meritocracy.

[Christopher McCandless]

is the labour party for the working class?

The working class is dead. In the 21st century, the majority of people who work live middle-class lives.

No no, the class war has just had a long ceasefire. Don't think for a second it is over.

[Nocturnalist!]

is the labour party for the working class?

No.... They're for big business and robbing the public to pay the banks which then take the public's money... and their homes away.

[richard]

anyone who votes based on there religious bias is clearly an idiot. do you guys have those religious republicans over ther aswell?

[McGiver]

anyone who votes based on there religious bias is clearly an idiot. do you guys have those religious republicans over ther aswell?

over where? hawaii?

[richard]

anyone who votes based on there religious bias is clearly an idiot. do you guys have those religious republicans over ther aswell?

over where? hawaii?

yes, have you had to layoff any of your mexican oarnge pickers boss?

[Christopher McCandless]

anyone who votes based on there religious bias is clearly an idiot. do you guys have those religious republicans over ther aswell?

Not really - we have some evangelicals, but their influence is limited.

[McGiver]

anyone who votes based on there religious bias is clearly an idiot. do you guys have those religious republicans over ther aswell?

over where? hawaii?

yes, have you had to layoff any of your mexican oarnge pickers boss?

no.  haven't you heard, they are leaving voluntarily.  the job market is so bad here in the US that the mexicans are fleeing back to their own country.