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« on: July 22, 2006, 11:15:38 AM »
Time for some real politics. Personally, I think the Israelis are shits. They should pull out and repair all the damage they have done to Lebanon including pay compensation to civilian families whom have suffered casalties as a result of the airstrikes. They should also pay other foreign powers who used up considerable amounts of their own resources evacuating people from Lebanon.

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Re: Israel...
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2006, 11:28:37 AM »
i really cannot be arsed to form an opinion on this.
i believe, as an american, that we have stuck our noses in way too many places that it doesn't belong.  exerting our will on the rest of the world is wrong.
let them figure out their own mess. 

according to the bible, however, these are the end of times.  Pat Robertson told me that.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2006, 11:33:20 AM »
Ultimately the Israelis had to do what they did:  Too many countries had already captured Israeli soldiers to bargain with them (I've read it has happened several times in the past, Israel had to show that they weren't going to take any shit anymore.

I've heard an Israeli diplomat official (of some sort) quoted as saying he'd prefer the world to hate Israel for staying alive rather than honor them after they were all wiped out.  I can't fault em for that
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2006, 11:57:05 AM »
I think this situation is pretty fucked-up, as if the Israel military started on Lebanon while they were stoned.

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2006, 01:28:06 PM »
The situation shows a typical Israeli overreaction to the capture of one soldier. How arrogant of them to wipe out whole families and make life awkward and scary for millions as a result of one Israeli soldier capture and a couple of tiny rockets (with no civillian deaths) landing on them. They are creating more 'terrorists' than they are tackling.

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Re: Israel...
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2006, 02:57:45 PM »
Time for some real politics. Personally, I think the Israelis are shits. They should pull out and repair all the damage they have done to Lebanon including pay compensation to civilian families whom have suffered casalties as a result of the airstrikes. They should also pay other foreign powers who used up considerable amounts of their own resources evacuating people from Lebanon.

Gee, what a surprise that you'd sympathize with Israel's enemies. Socialists can only see the world in terms of weak vs strong, so they will always side with whomever they perceive to be weak. It saves having to make any moral judgements.

Never mind that Hezbollah and Hamas want to wipe Israel off the map, and that they've been sending thousands of shells into Israel ever since the Gaza withdrawal.
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Re: Israel...
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2006, 03:00:33 PM »
They are creating more 'terrorists' than they are tackling.

IMHO, Muslims carry out terrorist attacks against Israel because
1. Israel exists
2. This is what Islam tells them to do
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2006, 03:05:11 PM »
They are creating more 'terrorists' than they are tackling.

It's Islam that creates the terrorists.

You have the cheek to accuse socialists of being one-sided. Yes, Islam has it's problems but the Israeli's consitently over-react with savage force and are creating problems for themselves further down the line.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2006, 03:13:04 PM »
They are creating more 'terrorists' than they are tackling.

It's Islam that creates the terrorists.

You have the cheek to accuse socialists of being one-sided. Yes, Islam has it's problems but the Israeli's consitently over-react with savage force and are creating problems for themselves further down the line.

Maybe the Israelis' responses are often ill-judged. I wouldn't want to say what I think they should do instead. It's too easy to be an armchair military expert.

What I would say is that giving away land for peace hasn't worked either.

Actually, I'm sort of with McJagger on this. I'm not all that interested.
I just hope that fucking hubristic idiot, Tony Blair doesn't start fancying himself to sort the mess out.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2006, 03:16:16 PM »
I think Israel should retreat to 1967 borders as advised by the UN. It's easy to be armchair military experts, that's true but history has shown us that this kind of over-reaction brings extreme reaction from the other side.

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2006, 03:31:12 PM »
and exactly how the first world war started.  in a way.
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Re: Israel...
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2006, 06:35:31 PM »
They are creating more 'terrorists' than they are tackling.

IMHO, Muslims carry out terrorist attacks against Israel because
1. Israel exists
2. This is what Islam tells them to do

And the ancient aliens think they can lord it over the Middle East because several thousand years ago this guy called Abraham had a vision from God promising him that his descendants (the Jews) will inherit the whole area. Now if that isn't religious fundamentalism, then I don't know what is. The Palestinians were there first. Theoretically Israel has no right to exist. However, it is there now so we have to put up with it. I think they should stick with the 1967 borders and a UN force should make sure both the Arabs and the ancient aliens stick to the agreement.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2006, 06:42:56 PM »
where is praetor?
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2006, 08:03:40 PM »
You know RobertN, I used to think some what like You, but over the years I think I will side with Israel. Until all the countries that have gone or even support the Israelites destruction. The Middle East has always been a hot bed of conflict. It will always be that too. As long some of the religious Muslim Leaders keep on proclaiming the destruction of Israel. It will always be like that. The Israelites have been through a lot since the first days of the founding of Israel. It is always easy to blame Israel and Israelites for everything that is going on there in the Middle East. Arafat could have had 98% percent of the West Bank but did not take it and as long there are Palestinians will to use terrorism to why should there be a Palestinian State. Israel has faced terrorism and terrorists since the beginning of Israel. The Jews have been blamed for many things and 6 million Jews died in Europe during World War II. The World still comes against Jews around the World and whatever Israel does. Though whose has been the aggressor the Arab States all around them. Two Arab countries now have Peace Treaties with Israel if Egypt and Jordan can have Peace with Israel. Why can not the rest of them? Until that day they will not be peace in the Middle East.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2006, 09:38:25 PM »
Here's what I don't understand... say if Mexican terrorists were sytematically targeting the United States by launching rockets over the border, kidnapping US soldiers, sending suicide bombers into US grocery stores and malls... would the US then not have the right to launch a military incursion into Mexico?

One thing I will say in defense of Israel is that its actions are always viewed through a microscope and judged by sticter standards than that of other countries.  This however is something the Jews have brought upon themselves, as they claim to be the harbingers of morality to the western world, yet their religion is based an apartheid system.  So because of their alleged heightened morality (which they claim themselves from a societal/ religious perspective-- see books like "The Gift of the Jews") that Israel's behavior is viewed with greater scrutiny.

The Arab world has sprouted a vicious anti-Semitism that would make Hitler blush.  The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were being openly distributed at the 2001 World Conference against Racism in South Africa, just days before the attacks on the Trade Center and Pentagon.