Green is good, but how do we RE-educate others about BULLSHIT GREEN!

[Pyraxis]

i know it's practically trite now, but that's when the phrase "think global; act local" actually means something.

or just two words: responsibility and justice.

But if thinking global only leads to regrets over things which couldn't have been changed, how do you know what local moves to make?

[Lucifer]

i know it's practically trite now, but that's when the phrase "think global; act local" actually means something.

or just two words: responsibility and justice.

But if thinking global only leads to regrets over things which couldn't have been changed, how do you know what local moves to make?

move your thinking forward onto things which can be changed, and start from there.

no point trying to save the dodo, so don't waste your energy on it.

[Pyraxis]

The dodo? You've lost me.

My problem is with the environmentalist types who seem to believe that zero impact is the best impact, that it's not even possible to affect life or the planet for the better, and humans as a whole would be better off exterminated. That's no ideal to move towards.

There's got to be a way of living responsibly without stagnating or disappearing. We eat, things die. We grow, things are choked out of the space we grew into. That's true of both today's first world nations, and primitive societies. The only big difference is rate of change. The native americans and other indigenous folk lived without destroying ecosystems, but they didn't develop enough new ways of using the resources around them to prevent them from getting conquered. Who's to say the same wouldn't happen to humanity as a whole if we set arbitrary species-wide limits on our growth?

There's got to be a way of separating waste from progress. Maybe our current population explosion is unwise, considering the immediately available space we have to work with. Maybe we aren't sophisticated enough as a species to be able to take seriously that kind of advance warning. Maybe if we did take it seriously, the self-limits we developed would be the same kind of mistake as the explorers who introduced European species to Pacific islands, thinking they were improving quality of life but really fucking up the natural balance - an idea developed from house-of-cards intellectual theory without enough reality-checking.

Maybe I'm making sense to nobody but myself. 

[Trigger 11]

^ Some well said points.

There is no easy answer, but I strongly believe in trying to make a difference. Reducing our negative impact to the environment is not a bad thing.

[Lucifer]

 

pyraxis, the dodo is already extinct, so there's no point wasting effort on trying to achieve the impossible and work to get it back (although i dare say there's some GM/cloning work going on to do it, somewhere).

make sense?

[Pyraxis]

Sure it does, I just wasn't sure where it came from, cause I didn't say anything about wasting effort on getting the impossible back.

[Lucifer]

Sure it does, I just wasn't sure where it came from, cause I didn't say anything about wasting effort on getting the impossible back.

ah right - i was addressing your comment, "But if thinking global only leads to regrets over things which couldn't have been changed..."  i probably misinterpreted what you meant.

soz.

[Pyraxis]

That was me responding to DD's bowing out of an interesting conversation - trying to get it back on its original track.

[Lucifer]

but... but... you mean it wasn't addressed to ME?!!

blimey - i must have AS or something...

[DirtDawg]

That was me responding to DD's bowing out of an interesting conversation - trying to get it back on its original track.

My start to this thread was flawed, but the course of the topic is worth keeping!

Uhm, sometimes a bow enlarges a field of battle or expands the scope of a discussion. It's like an acknowledgment, at times, but not necessarily a concession. Let's move forward.

What have we done today?

Think globally, act locally is a nice, quaint reference to the past , but more importantly, let's  Think long-term, but Act right NOW!


There is so much more I need to say here. Can we just work this thread through with the other ones and maybe even vent our GREEN colons when we need to, right in this thread, inspiring others to talk, maybe? I would like to see every single one of us make some kind of comment - even a bitchy one.

Only one person so far has posted in a childish manner. That person may YET come to terms with this topic, if able.


I am proud to say that my "city-sponsored and collected" recycle bin was compressed, tight as fuck, and full to the rim, while my junk-out bin was only one fourth (maybe less) full today.








(edited typos - buttloads! Sorry.)

[Parts]

Real Green, cellulose insulation retrofit in older homes not the glamorous stuff from TV

[Lucifer]

go, parts!   

 

[ozymandias]

Yay, Parts!

[Leto729]

What some see as green and can help the planet. Is only as green if they believe it in the end.

How they influence others to believe as they see it may not be right or wrong it is how they see it in the end.

It is up to You to decide how to teach children and others You know what is right in Your eyes.

If You know better then You should teach them that think what is right in their eyes.

Green is green if You look at the grass that grows between Your feet. Nothing more than that in the end.

[Trigger 11]

“Walking In Your Footsteps” by The Police

Fifty million years ago
You walked upon the planet so,
Lord of all that you could see
Just a little bit like me

Walking in your footsteps

Hey Mr. Dinosaur
You really couldn't ask for more
You were god's favourite creature
But you didn't have a future

Walking in your footsteps

Hey mighty brontosaurus
Don't you have a lesson for us
You thought your rule would always last
There were no lessons in your past
You were built three stories high
They say you would not hurt a fly
If we explode the atom bomb
Would they say that we were dumb?

Walking in your footsteps

Fifty million years ago
They walked upon the planet so
They live in a museum
It's the only place you'll see ‘em.

Walking in your footsteps....

They say the meek shall inherit the earth....

Walking in your footsteps....