QUICK-need input ASAP, 10-15min or so-SHOULD I/OR NO!

[Lestat]

Scarcely. The people cooking or distributing it probably aren't diving into their own supply; meaning the source of it stays put.

And IQ I don't think your mistaken on this particular stuff actually.

But I do most certainly wonder what the current bodycount is. Because there was somewhere online that the community there needed a warning about the appearance of it and the area  in case someone assumes its just H; I did an IV test using the smallest, tiniest little crumb, not a bag, not even close to a £5 one, let alone 3x20+10 pounds worth (the third 20/10 were extra ) then split that down to less, putting the remainder back in its container. Used a quantity that assuming it had been H of total purity would nevertheless have been inactive in me.
 
It wasn't, not at all, which by definition rules out something based on only diacetylmorphine/inactive cut (I was testing specifically for superpotent opioids of any sort)
and I am as sure as I can get. Wouldn't surprise me at all if people based on a regular tolerance of some nature or other do end up dying because of this stuff, its that strong.

[DirtDawg]

Anyway. I just threw you a BD party, but it broke when it hit the floor.
The cat is busy licking most of it up.


(I do not actually do BDs, but thirty is a big one for some people. Just take the warnings by others very seriously)

[Lestat]

I do mate, I really do.

I've been making some strategically placed posts and later today phonecalls of a similar nature, aimed at where they will have most impact over the city. People, needle-exchanges will have a great many people, they can display media promoting awareness, with descriptions, effects, potency, visual appearance, melting and rheological properties, etc., taste. That kind of thing.

The I.V testing was very limited in scale, precisely because I wished to ascertain the minimal quantities requisite to provoke an effect, from there I can go from the approximate dose-response curve  via the vaporisation route and thusly, extrapolate to the potency of a full sized dose, whilst keeping administration via the IV route to the bare minimum required to obtain the knowledge itself.

Because someone like me, whilst I do indeed have plenty in common with others who use opioids, most of my use is  with subjects of a known weight potency and absolutely verified purity. When I occasionally do use street stuff (H) its 95%>  of the time via smoking it, for this kind of reason and for the other that its COME from that source. But when something like this turns up, Thats WHY I''d start lower than what i believe to be the smallest active quantity, then divide that into portions, and intake one, slowly. I am different from street users in that I have a lot more extensive knowledge in that respect, of pharmacology and pharmacokinetics which is not likely to be shared by others in very frequent cases and that as such I am far more capable of knowing what kind of care should be exercised  and that stands me in better stead than most to assay it and make the reports so as to help avoid deaths.

Like I said, it took a mere few grains of the stuff, SMOKED, let alone shot, for someone who has already GOT a hefty, hefty bastard of a shit of a tolerance. In most cases its totally undesirable, however this kind of case? its fortunate and of use. And I've a considerable amount of experience with other opioids which again should stand me in better stead to perform such activity-guided bioassays if it is necessary than one lacking that experience and used to the one, or a couple of different opioids/opiates, by a long shot (pun intended) than a street user without that knowlede ir the facilities, and who is likely as not, unaware of the very meaning of the term 'bioassay'. Who then is more likely to survive the experience and remain capable of passing the word on to where it needs to go?


I don't say that out of a spirit of cockness, bravado or boasting. I don't see why having a big tolerance is something to be proud of, its just a biological property developed as a function of responsivity to and frequency of use of a certain class of bioactive molecules. I don't actually see any point at all in dick-sizing competitions. After all who wants to be known as the biggest dick haha. Not me     

["couldbecousin"]

  Regarding krokodil:  I recently saw a documentary about its presence in the States, and the
   addicts who bought it ... had been told it was heroin.  So know your sources, I guess. 

[El]

But I do most certainly wonder what the current bodycount is

Climbing.  :/

[El]

But I do most certainly wonder what the current bodycount is

Climbing.  :/

...apparently this was my 20,000th post.

And it was about the fucking heroin epidemic, and how prolifically it's killing people.

Sounds about right.

[Al Swearegen]

But I do most certainly wonder what the current bodycount is

Climbing.  :/

...apparently this was my 20,000th post.

And it was about the fucking heroin epidemic, and how prolifically it's killing people.

Sounds about right.

Hahahaha. No doubt I have hit a few anniversary posts in one callout or another.

[Lestat]

Only just noticed these posts.

Krokodil....ugh yuck. Nasty, nasty shit that.

Although as it happens, I'm working on some. Sort of. Just not the way the russkis do it (codeine&SOCl2>alpha-chlorocodide, red phos/I2 reduction to an ungodly mix of dihydrodesoxymorphine-D in small quantities, tetrahydrodesoxymorphine-D, ring-opened products from the cleavage of the epoxy bridge and a whole load of other byproducts, some nice some extremely nasty.

The problem isn't the drug, desomorphine, but the reduction method. Whilst its alright, but not fantastic, for making methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine, use on a sensitive drug like morphine or similar morphinan opioids like codeine results in a mix of shite basically with some active product. The russian addicts have to spend all their time getting codeine, extracting it and making krokodil. And worse, they don't do a proper workup, just a quick extraction into nonpolar and then evaporation afaik.

Disgusting technique, disgusting product, low yield and unclean. And then they shoot that, I don't know if they BOTHER to filter the stuff, I've read often they just draw up a syringe full and shoot the stuff. Apparently a guaranteed abscess if the least bit doesn't go directly into the vein, and the lifespan of a krokodil addict is between 6 months and a year.

Fuck THAT for a lark!

The way to do it, is to get either morphine or codeine, preferably morphine, and do the chlorination, using thionyl chloride, strip excess SOCl2 or neutralize with alcohol or water. Then take the alpha-chloromorphide up into ethanol and add a precious metal catalyst, various different ones give different results. If a highly active catalyst such as platinum black, platinum oxide, or plat cat is used then the main product is tetrahydrodesoxymorphine-D with some percentage of dihydrodesoxymorphine-D (desomorphine) and a percentage of a dimer of desomorphine. Faster the reduction and the more active the catalyst, the more dimer is formed.

Colloidal palladium apparently gives excellent yields of desomorphine-D, some tetrahydrodesomorphine and very little if any dimer. Yields of desomorphine-D are apparently in the region of 80-85 to 95-98% or so, with the rest being tetrahydrodesomorphine.

Then the solution of alpha-chloromorphide in EtOH with catalyst is refluxed at atmospheric pressure, for a few hours, and then the catalyst is filtered off and recycled (they can be reused many, many many times, and once catalytic activity is eventually diminished or lost, then its recycled again for precious metal content, since one shouldn't ever throw out the likes of palladium, platinum, iridium, rhodium etc.