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Re: Socialism questions and hypothesis.
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2013, 08:19:03 AM »
We take for granted that nation-states are permament, fixed entities that will always stick around. We almost imagine that with Greece gone, there would be a hole in the map. There wouldn't.
That's why I like to toy with maps, such as the America map I re-drew.

Countries come and go. In their voids are left the people, of which countries are made. People come and go too.
What is a government? From one decade, to the next, a given government may have changed every single employee, but still attempt to represent the same ruling party.
What are the rules?
How are they upheld?

What I'm trying to say is - those who rule, and relate to rulers, must be very concious what it takes to rule. That is why incompetent rulers typically end up with riots and civil war, because they forget that they have to actually, physically, have the country administered to.
The country exists for a single reason: The people in it.

Capitalism is the worst kind of government, because it's nothing but a business idea: to make the state earn your money for you (instead of doing what it's supposed to do, earn for the community)
Capitalism is also without scruples, so it will buy advertisement time, it will own entertainment industry, it will own news and information, and so it will simply advertise for itself and its benefits to the voters, who will give it an easy time, and poof, all of the west turns capitalist.
And if anybody objects, tv, movies, series, comedies, and ads will tell everyone otherwise, and keep them voting for more capitalism. In true form, capitalism does not care about the country, and it will end with economic breakdown, riots, the rich hide in their bunkers or flee to Argentina, and wars erupt.

*The only reason for voting for capitalism are the following:
1) Naive wishful thinking - "I hope to be super-duper rich some day! I have to vote for a system that will be kind to me. Untill then, I hope I can afford noodles. HI FIVE!"
2) Complete stupidity - "De man onna TV tol me 2 voat for him :0 He had a nice pant!"
3) Pure sadism - "I fully realize this will turn into economic breakdown, and ruin it for everyone. But I'm an asshole."

*Assuming you are not rich.

The opposite, be it Communism or hardcore Nationalism, none are good. Both communist and nationalist tend to be very flippant about mass killing. We need to learn... we really need to... STOP KILLING PEOPLE SO FLIPPANTLY. My god... all the time "we must blame the jews!" "eh... there's ONE or TWO jewish banker families, mein führer. Are you sure we should blame them all?"
"YES! ALL OF ZEM! KILL ZEM ALL!!!!"
always always always with the fucking killing. Communists too, I'm looking at you Pol Pot. Hell, even Vietnam had enough with Pol Pot, invaded, and were recieved as heroes. A very obscure chapter in the aftermath of the Vietnam War.

The best solution is: Scandinavia. Combine a modest share of capitalism, so to encourage entrepreneurism, with socialism - to preserve society in a humane manner.

As for the immigration problems in Scandinavia, WE SHOULD BLAME AND KILL ALL IMMIGRANTS - is what people are thinking. No.

We should accept immigrants, but we should DO SO RESPONSIBLY, which has not yet been done, for even five minutes. That means: Integration. They don't want to? Well tough luck, have fun on your trip back to fuckin Darfur. Hope you ate before you left, cus you aint gonna be eating ever again.
Seriousness.
They should know what kind of task they have taken on. Integrate, by fucking force if necesary, but do it, and do it right. Once they are integrated, they are just another Finn, Dane or Norwegian with black hair. Loki had black hair.

ANY problem foreseen "yes but you underestimate the power of islam - " integrate. "Yes but in some cultures - " integrate. Integrate integrate integrate. Fuck it - make Integration Camps.
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Re: Socialism questions and hypothesis.
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2013, 08:24:30 AM »
We take for granted that nation-states are permament, fixed entities that will always stick around. We almost imagine that with Greece gone, there would be a hole in the map. There wouldn't.
That's why I like to toy with maps, such as the America map I re-drew.

Countries come and go. In their voids are left the people, of which countries are made. People come and go too.
What is a government? From one decade, to the next, a given government may have changed every single employee, but still attempt to represent the same ruling party.
What are the rules?
How are they upheld?

What I'm trying to say is - those who rule, and relate to rulers, must be very concious what it takes to rule. That is why incompetent rulers typically end up with riots and civil war, because they forget that they have to actually, physically, have the country administered to.
The country exists for a single reason: The people in it.

Capitalism is the worst kind of government, because it's nothing but a business idea: to make the state earn your money for you (instead of doing what it's supposed to do, earn for the community)
Capitalism is also without scruples, so it will buy advertisement time, it will own entertainment industry, it will own news and information, and so it will simply advertise for itself and its benefits to the voters, who will give it an easy time, and poof, all of the west turns capitalist.
And if anybody objects, tv, movies, series, comedies, and ads will tell everyone otherwise, and keep them voting for more capitalism. In true form, capitalism does not care about the country, and it will end with economic breakdown, riots, the rich hide in their bunkers or flee to Argentina, and wars erupt.

*The only reason for voting for capitalism are the following:
1) Naive wishful thinking - "I hope to be super-duper rich some day! I have to vote for a system that will be kind to me. Untill then, I hope I can afford noodles. HI FIVE!"
2) Complete stupidity - "De man onna TV tol me 2 voat for him :0 He had a nice pant!"
3) Pure sadism - "I fully realize this will turn into economic breakdown, and ruin it for everyone. But I'm an asshole."

*Assuming you are not rich.

The opposite, be it Communism or hardcore Nationalism, none are good. Both communist and nationalist tend to be very flippant about mass killing. We need to learn... we really need to... STOP KILLING PEOPLE SO FLIPPANTLY. My god... all the time "we must blame the jews!" "eh... there's ONE or TWO jewish banker families, mein führer. Are you sure we should blame them all?"
"YES! ALL OF ZEM! KILL ZEM ALL!!!!"
always always always with the fucking killing. Communists too, I'm looking at you Pol Pot. Hell, even Vietnam had enough with Pol Pot, invaded, and were recieved as heroes. A very obscure chapter in the aftermath of the Vietnam War.

The best solution is: Scandinavia. Combine a modest share of capitalism, so to encourage entrepreneurism, with socialism - to preserve society in a humane manner.

As for the immigration problems in Scandinavia, WE SHOULD BLAME AND KILL ALL IMMIGRANTS - is what people are thinking. No.

We should accept immigrants, but we should DO SO RESPONSIBLY, which has not yet been done, for even five minutes. That means: Integration. They don't want to? Well tough luck, have fun on your trip back to fuckin Darfur. Hope you ate before you left, cus you aint gonna be eating ever again.
Seriousness.
They should know what kind of task they have taken on. Integrate, by fucking force if necesary, but do it, and do it right. Once they are integrated, they are just another Finn, Dane or Norwegian with black hair. Loki had black hair.

ANY problem foreseen "yes but you underestimate the power of islam - " integrate. "Yes but in some cultures - " integrate. Integrate integrate integrate. Fuck it - make Integration Camps.
im guessing the next phase would be workers cooperatives.  Not labor unions who represent the worker but labor owned business where the middle man and the stock holder is cut out of the equation.  Workers vote in a more direct democracy (like a labor unions political structure) with term limits, where they decide how all the extra savings are spent.

We do have integration camps.  It's called the public school system.
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Re: Socialism questions and hypothesis.
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2013, 08:34:42 AM »
Share anything you like, and since I'm using a nonsensical identity, you don't have to cite it.
"Anonymous" will do fine :D