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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: garmonbozia on July 31, 2008, 07:04:46 PM
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Examples:
Lisa Nowak, the astronaut. Wore a diaper while trying to kill somebody.
Hans Reiser. Not only suspected of killing his wife, but he also wrote a shitty file system. (It wrecked my Linux box.)
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WGAF?
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Examples:
Lisa Nowak, the astronaut. Wore a diaper while trying to kill somebody.
Hans Reiser. Not only suspected of killing his wife, but he also wrote a shitty file system. (It wrecked my Linux box.)
WHACKO"S swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool!
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Any publicity is good publicity. No reason to emphasize the idea that somebody is calling these idiots aspie, and in response a lot of other people will form negative stereotypes without stopping to question it.
So I say sweep it under the rug.
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Isn't it a good thing if people think we're a bunch of 'tards who can't help our wacky behaviour? This way, they give us free money, lighter jail sentences and positive discrimination advantages in education and employment.
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I don't care really.
I voted yes because it would just be funny.
If anyone ever accuses me of being a psycho, it just shows how pathetic they are. Anyway, I'd love to answer to people's shit on my site.
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Wow! Three-way tie... two each for "yes", "no", and "w.g.a.f."
The thing about Nowak is, now if any of us ever try to be astronauts, we'd probably all fail the psych eval. Even though, I'm sure there are many among us who would enjoy the isolation, especially during long-haul stuff like when they finally decide to send people to the moon again.
As for Reiser... anyone else here know much about the Xandros distro of Linux? Mainly, will it work with ext2 or ext3 instead of ReiserFS? I could use other distros, of course, but I've already got the box with the install CD, left over from the ruined machine.
One person I wouldn't give the "award" to is that guy who torched a few Hummers at a dealership (forgot his name). That was very, very bad and he shouldn't have done it, but at least he didn't kill anyone. He was a graduate student majoring in physics, with an IQ somewhere around 160. From what I understand, he had a couple of NT "friends" egging him on, but strangely they're not rotting in prison like he is. They pulled a disappearing act or something. I'd love to find them and beat the shit out of them. That would be fun.
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A 'tard is a 'tard and a dickhead is a dickhead. Doesn't matter if they are Aspie or not. You fuck up, you wear the shit.
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"Society" has declared war, not only against aspies but against anyone who has a scintilla of own personality and dignity. I see nothing wrong with aspies committing crimes except the fact that they risk punishment, of course.
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Depends on the crime. Many crimes are against individuals, not some faceless "society".
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If the individuals are tools for "society" by their own will, they deserve it.
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What, and every non-aspie individual has chosen to be a tool of society and deserves any crime that might happen to them?
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If the individuals are tools for "society" by their own will, they deserve it.
Forgotten your meds this morning, have you? Individuals have a mind of their own, and the free will to express it. They are not tools of society, they can decide what actions to take on their own. I as an individual can tell anyone to 'get fucked'; it is my right to do so. If society tells me different, then they would have to make it a law. As their is no law angainst telling others to 'get fucked', then society can do the same.
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What, and every non-aspie individual has chosen to be a tool of society and deserves any crime that might happen to them?
No, who said they were?
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If the individuals are tools for "society" by their own will, they deserve it.
Forgotten your meds this morning, have you? Individuals have a mind of their own, and the free will to express it. They are not tools of society, they can decide what actions to take on their own. I as an individual can tell anyone to 'get fucked'; it is my right to do so. If society tells me different, then they would have to make it a law. As their is no law angainst telling others to 'get fucked', then society can do the same.
"Tools for society"=people who work for "the system".
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What, and every non-aspie individual has chosen to be a tool of society and deserves any crime that might happen to them?
No, who said they were?
I see nothing wrong with aspies committing crimes except the fact that they risk punishment
If the individuals are tools for "society" by their own will, they deserve it.
So.
You said it is ok for aspies to commit crimes (of unspecified nature) as long as they're not caught.
Your justification? That society has declared war against people with personality and dignity.
I pointed out that the crimes aspies committed might harm individuals, not just a faceless society.
You said that if the individuals had chosen to be "tools for society" then they deserved the (unspecified) crimes.
The logical deduction from that is that you believe that non-aspies (those not committing the crimes) deserve any crimes committed against them.
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What, and every non-aspie individual has chosen to be a tool of society and deserves any crime that might happen to them?
No, who said they were?
I see nothing wrong with aspies committing crimes except the fact that they risk punishment
If the individuals are tools for "society" by their own will, they deserve it.
So.
You said it is ok for aspies to commit crimes (of unspecified nature) as long as they're not caught.
Your justification? That society has declared war against people with personality and dignity.
I pointed out that the crimes aspies committed might harm individuals, not just a faceless society.
You said that if the individuals had chosen to be "tools for society" then they deserved the (unspecified) crimes.
The logical deduction from that is that you believe that non-aspies (those not committing the crimes) deserve any crimes committed against them.
By "tools for society" I mean authority persons at first hand, though I admit that I believe that most NTs more or less deserve having crimes committed against them, since they are a stupid, treacherous bunch of liars, who each have their part of guilt in the way aspies are treated by "society".
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By that comment you are giving the perception that Aspies are stuck up arseholes who just look down on anyone who deigns to be different. From where I stand the whole Aspie vs NT argument is a crock of shit and even though Aspies may have a better awareness (in some respects), there is no difference at all.
It would serve Aspies far better if they dropped the charade about NTs and got on with life.
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I have some very good texts describing very well what I mean, but they are made by another aspie in my own language, so I have to translate them into English first.
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"I would like to recommend suicide. Let me explain this out of my own experiences.
I have always opposed my own Asperger diagnosis, never felt that it was deliberating or the explanation to things that it should be. Lived a socially active life and by mental force worked away the Asperger traces I had. Though it was never possible to get rid of the stamp, especially not when I had always used to getting into conflicts and 'improper' behaviour.
To live with and amongst NT people has thus not worked very well for me. The only thing that it has led to is hatred against the diagnosis on one hand and hatred against society and its institutions and the normal man on the other.
The worst thing is that I'm still drawn to more or less neurotypical personalities. Aspies give me zero stimulation. They are like lifeless shells for me. Another of all problems with being a bit of an aspie myself but not being able to fully identify me with the diagnosis.
I was considered very talented, everyone that ever knew me know that I'm very talented in many ways. But I never made any use of this, because of the constant conflicts that I ended up into and the Asperger ghost that was dwelling there like an infected wound and from time to time reminded me.
To be more normal than the average aspie outside but inside have problems that in some respects are worse than for an average aspie is not a pleasant life.
One of many Asperger features that I no longer have is that of obsessions. I feel empty and totally unmotivated. I would need an obsession to live for. There are two things I need, one of them is some sort of interest and the other is love and the relationship to another human being.
I actually never had the need for routines. Routines are for me mere suffocating and become a stress. To break routines is to break the stress and has for long time been my way to save energy.
I am much more handsome than the average, thank goodness, and have had sexual relationships when I was younger. Never needed to take the initiative, since I have always been the one that was the hunted. I know that I am a good lover too.
Have come to the conclusion that you are being damaged by having problems with compromising and problems to accept some social structures/behaviours, while at the same time trying to live as a neurotypical. Your mind gets sick after several years of this mental oppression. That now, at the age of 25, surrender to society and go back to basics, start school all over again, and seek some meaningless fulfilment that hardly interests me, feels unlikely.
I have already decided how I am going to die and about when. Hypothermia is by far the best way to commit suicide and every winter I come closer to a decision.
I am caught in an impossible situation. I cannot regrediate and undo those changes in personality that I started to develop already as an 11-12 year old and fored upon myself during all my teens to become 'normal'. I cannot be lower functioning and adapt some Asperger behaviors that I DO NOT have.
At the same time I cannot make peace with society. School is the thing I hate at most, followed by the psychiatric care and the average person.
I am trapped in a no mans land between dysfunction and exceptional talent.
Being that close to suffering, powerlessness and being an outsider and with those understandings of myself I am apt to understand both evil and goodness and being thrown between feelings of hatred and love but...I can never live in the middle, where you are supposed to live mentally to fit in and being loved and to earn your living.
Sometimes I think that the failure of my life is wasted human talent, even though I'm not fully able to say what kind of talent it is all about, and sometimes I feel that I should put an end to it instead of delaying what I have already decided to do. To die.
If I had not been good looking and had some nice mental and social talents that I forced myself to develop despite my hatred against and unwillingness to accept AS during my teens I would have hated myself.
As it is now I can actually see some kind of beauty in myself despite the fact that I was never allowed to be the child that I wanted to be.
Not belonging anywhere, neither with AS people nor with the normal and beside that feeling a strong hatred against both groups, against your own incapability and the parts of yourself that you deny is devastating over time.
Asperger's has not helped me one wit. The diagnosis itself has been like a heavy rock to carry during most of my life. Least of all deliberating.
Emptiness, the lack of creative employment and intense love to another human being is like already being dead inside.
It even feels as if the need for creative stimulation faints in comparison to someone that you can create a completely unique close relationship to. I cannot exist without love, it is as simple as that.
With love in my life I would probably even be able to do what I consider boring in order to survive. I am neurotyipcal enough for that.
I am as much of an outsider that one can possibly be, depsite the fact that I actually make an impression of the opposite. Weak and unsure or mediocre people get scared by me or uncertain in my presence and strong people with a go tend to give me sympathetic looks and comments but...People do not know how damaged I am inside, how empty and totally meaningless my life is.
Lately I have been wondering I whether I am at all human or not."
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"Have also isolated myself for many years now. Before that I had no actual problems with communication itself or to interact with people. Often I was the most social and active person in a group.
The problems now are submission and pride. Principles as much as an invisible dysfunctional wall that make other piss me off tremendously.
For instance, my blood can begin boiling, for no reason, when someone in a sharp, self-confident voice tells the "rules of the school" or similar. Then I automatically have to revolt against that person no matter the price.
I cannot kneel for society.
That involves my self-image as well. I look upon the majority of normal people as persons walking around with a cock in their mouth or up their arse, constantly, liking it.
There is no way I can look upon myself as someone like that. Someone that simply accepts and swallows and thinks that it is so wonderful to obey others rules and share everything in common.
To imagine myself sitting in a lecture hall or a cafeteria in a working place when the boss lectures would as well be imagining myself as a transvestite or a gay man in leather. It feels as if I would have to change my whole personality and become a good obedient whore like everybody else. It cannot be done.
Argues and conflicts always arise when I am around. Since I am socially competent concerning speech, looks, body language and ability to interpret and react upon the signals of others, I am never considered being an aspie with introverted looks but merely as 'hard to handle', when making one of my moves. People might mostly think that 'he hasn't got all horses in the stable' but not many would think 'aspie'.
On the other hand, those who have heard about the Asperger diagnosis through some rumour take it as the whole explanation to anything I do without questioning it. It becomes a simple explanation that they do not have to consider but just sweep around.
I have never spoken to anyone who is that proud and unflinching as myself when it comes to the relationship to society and the image of one's self.
Many aspies seem rather soft and harmonic in relation to society, others are merely as helpless children that do not understand why they do not fit in and who hardly can put words on it.
If you look upon it out of a perspective of pride and dignity suicide is the best option."
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I don't see any evidence from these accounts that NT's have committed sins worthy of retaliation by crime.
The two aspies (or is it all the same guy?) are suffering badly from their isolation, but the first one describes just as hard a time fitting in with other aspies. And yet you're not calling for crimes against the less socially adept members of the spectrum.
The NT's involved are just going about their own lives, by the sound of it, in lecture halls and cafeterias and wherever. What's the sin?
And you still haven't specified what kind of crimes you're talking about. It's one thing to say it's okay to scratch your name in a lecture hall desk because you feel like you don't belong. It's entirely another to murder a guy in a business suit because he's embraced the mores of the traditional business world.
If you're going to advocate extremism, at least be honest about it.
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The same guy wrote both texts.
Neurotypicals; "society"; "the establishment" murder and brand aspies, sometimes even literally.
I'm not calling for crimes against less sociable aspies, of course not. They're not to blame. NTs are, both for their own misery and for aspies' misery. The fraud with "democracy" is just one of the things that stems from neurotypical lies and neurotypical treacherous behavior.
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Oh, be specific, for heaven's sake. You're still stereotyping a whole group of people with no concern for what each is like as an individual. That gives you no case to stand on.
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Oh, be specific, for heaven's sake. You're still stereotyping a whole group of people with no concern for what each is like as an individual. That gives you no case to stand on.
Like the NTs are doing with us? Usually they can't even spell "Asperger" or "Asperger's" correctly, yet they are full of prejudice against aspies.
What I mean is that society is a fraud. A fraud that would have been impossible if the world had been made up by aspies only. Most misery of the world is result of neurotypical behaviour.
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Holy shit! I regret even starting this thread. Look... if you go freeze yourself to death or whatever, THEY win! I don't like to use us-and-them language, but by "they", I mean whoever's getting blamed for your misery. As for the author of that text growing up not being allowed to be the child he wanted to be, it's probably pole-up-the-ass ultra-strict parents that are to blame. (My own parents fought the school system so I could be the person I was born to be.)
Back on topic, what I meant with the mock award is to put out a call for votes after it's hit the news and the perp has either had their dx disclosed publicly or tried to use it in court as a defense. If the perp acts like they're aspie and nobody says anything, don't say shit about it. But once the "A" word hits the airwaves, then open up the polls and let it be known what the aspie community thinks of it.
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Like the NTs are doing with us? Usually they can't even spell "Asperger" or "Asperger's" correctly, yet they are full of prejudice against aspies.
Uh huh. And treating them the same way is really going to fix the problem.
(for those who can't get off the spectrum, the above is sarcasm)
What I mean is that society is a fraud. A fraud that would have been impossible if the world had been made up by aspies only. Most misery of the world is result of neurotypical behaviour.
Funny. What's that smell? Ah yes, teenage angst.
Give me a fucking break. The so-called aspie community is even more dysfunctional than their NT counterparts. Witness all the ridiculous forum drama. Witness Alex Plank. We can't even lead ourselves, let alone the whole world.
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I haven't been a teenager for almost 20 years.
I'm an anarcho-primitivist. The modern state is evil itself. Someone on another forum I visit showed that approximately 5000 persons/day have been killed during the 20th Century thanks to the interference from governments.
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Though he's an anarcho-capitalist and I'm an anarcho-primitivist, I like the opinions of this (http://www.youtube.com/user/DeathSephiroth) guy.
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Personally, I think you are just another idiot with an opinion. A well and truly fucked up one at that. Take your meds and have a good lie down.
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I haven't been a teenager for almost 20 years.
Doesn't mean your views don't sound like one.
I'm an anarcho-primitivist.
Putting a fancy word on it doesn't change the idiotic premises that it seems to be founded on, for you.
The modern state is evil itself. Someone on another forum I visit showed that approximately 5000 persons/day have been killed during the 20th Century thanks to the interference from governments.
This is very different than saying all non-aspies deserve to have crimes committed against them.
Does that statistic take into account all 20th century governments or certain types only?
Do you have a statistic on how many people per day would be killed if there were no government?
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Most NTs like most Aspies are good people. There are always a few turds in the gene pool of humanity but how does that justify crimes being committed against a whole group? By saying that, don't Aspies bring themselves down to the same level as the very ones they criticise? Answer me that.
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Doesn't mean your views don't sound like one.
:asthing: Don't really care if I "sound" like a teenager. I actually look like one too.
Putting a fancy word on it doesn't change the idiotic premises that it seems to be founded on, for you.
What do you like the word "liberal" for instance? Is that too a "fancy" word? Everyone who calls themself a liberal these days are lying, because there is no liberalism in the old sense among most liberals today. They're only "liberal" when it comes to letting in as many foreigners as possible, preferrably Muslims, into Europe and America.
Anarcho-primitivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism)
This is very different than saying all non-aspies deserve to have crimes committed against them.
It's because of most non-aspies that a society bulit on lies was possible in the first place.
Does that statistic take into account all 20th century governments or certain types only?
All kinds of governments. Though dictatorships usually kill more people, of course.
Power kills (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/)
Rummel's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel%27s_Law) states that the less freedom a people have, the more likely their rulers are to murder them.
No rulers, no people murdered by rulers, of course. If the formula still works in an anarchy, that would mean that still less people are being killed than if there had been rulers.
Do you have a statistic on how many people per day would be killed if there were no government?
No, but they wouldn't be oppressed by idiots that just had the power because they had police and military to uphold it and they wouldn't be murdered by governments.
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Most NTs like most Aspies are good people. There are always a few turds in the gene pool of humanity but how does that justify crimes being committed against a whole group? By saying that, don't Aspies bring themselves down to the same level as the very ones they criticise? Answer me that.
Most NTs are ignorant, even if they're not evil. Most aspies seem to be naïve on this question but not ignorant.
I didn't say that the majority of people deserved extermination, though I can't feel sorry for an NT that is a "victim" of a crime committed to them by an aspie, at least not if the crime had to do with the aspie being treated unjustly for being an aspie.
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Well you really have lost all touch with reality. Imagine if Hitler had been Aspie, you'd be fighting alongside him in the third fucking reich wiping out the rest of Europe just because they didn't wear the same coloured socks. Fucking idiot.
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If Hitler had been an aspie (some psychiatrists and historicians actually think he was) with an understanding of what it is to be an aspie, he probably wouldn't have been the Hitler known today.
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If Hitler had been an aspie (some psychiatrists and historicians actually think he was) with an understanding of what it is to be an aspie, he probably wouldn't have been the Hitler known today.
Oh pah! I don't think Hitler was ever an aspie!
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If Hitler had been an aspie (some psychiatrists and historicians actually think he was)
Hitler has been remotely diagnosed with pretty much everything in the book. Some people want to explain evil badly enough that they'll glom onto any theory that seems remotely plausible. It's a load of crap.
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If Hitler had been an aspie (some psychiatrists and historicians actually think he was)
Hitler has been remotely diagnosed with pretty much everything in the book. Some people want to explain evil badly enough that they'll glom onto any theory that seems remotely plausible. It's a load of crap.
Exactly! I fail to see how Hitler could be seen as the poster child for autism. No doubt he had some kind of mental problem but it is also entirely conceivable that he simply went over to the dark side! Hell, Darth Vader started out as a good person with good intentions and became seduced by the lure of power and absolute control over a nation. It could easily have been a similar scenario with Adolf Hitler.
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Right, because the new Star Wars movies are the ultimate authority on human nature.
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Certainly more so than those stupid books Delusionist has been reading lately - in fact, infinitely so!
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He's back on AFF. So Gareth and AMy must like him there!
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I wouldn't know, I don't touch that place with a hundred and one foot pole.
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Well you really have lost all touch with reality. Imagine if Hitler had been Aspie, you'd be fighting alongside him in the third fucking reich wiping out the rest of Europe just because they didn't wear the same coloured socks. Fucking idiot.
:LMAO:
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I wouldn't know, I don't touch that place with a hundred and one foot pole.
Meh, I get a little curious and have a few friends there!
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Examples:
Lisa Nowak, the astronaut. Wore a diaper while trying to kill somebody.
I went to high school with Lisa Nowak (nee Caputo). She was a nice, smart human being when I knew her. DK what the fuck happened, but she has all my sympathy. You think it's easy being a female astronaut? Get a sex change, join NASA and find out.
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Ask Christa McAuliffe... If you can find what's left of her, that is.
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I went to high school with Lisa Nowak (nee Caputo). She was a nice, smart human being when I knew her. DK what the fuck happened, but she has all my sympathy. You think it's easy being a female astronaut? Get a sex change, join NASA and find out.
I'll pass on the sex change, thank you. However, if NASA offered me a job, I'd at least consider it (as an engineer or IT guy or something, but definitely not as an astronaut).
Shortly after the news happened, I remember reading an article in Wired that suggested there's some fucked-up shit that goes on among astronaut trainees and current astronauts, when there are no outsiders watching. For example, it mentioned two female astronauts who got caught having lesbian sex in a dumpster outside one of the buildings. Kind of like with a lot of other highly-respected groups (e.g. in the military, in academia, etc.), my guess is that if you did a thorough investigation, you'd find out about hazing rituals and other nasty things. If anything fucked her up, it was probably that. (Like many others, I grew up with dreams of going into space. That article made me glad I never even came close to fulfilling those dreams.)
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I went to high school with Lisa Nowak (nee Caputo). She was a nice, smart human being when I knew her. DK what the fuck happened, but she has all my sympathy. You think it's easy being a female astronaut? Get a sex change, join NASA and find out.
I'll pass on the sex change, thank you. However, if NASA offered me a job, I'd at least consider it (as an engineer or IT guy or something, but definitely not as an astronaut).
Shortly after the news happened, I remember reading an article in Wired that suggested there's some fucked-up shit that goes on among astronaut trainees and current astronauts, when there are no outsiders watching. For example, it mentioned two female astronauts who got caught having lesbian sex in a dumpster outside one of the buildings. Kind of like with a lot of other highly-respected groups (e.g. in the military, in academia, etc.), my guess is that if you did a thorough investigation, you'd find out about hazing rituals and other nasty things. If anything fucked her up, it was probably that. (Like many others, I grew up with dreams of going into space. That article made me glad I never even came close to fulfilling those dreams.)
I heard on some article about astronaut training, that to get into and thru the program. You have to be a really driven individual, not just type personality, but type AAA. So you put a bunch of uber competetive, highly driven, highly intelligent people together in competition for highly coveted positions. Add a dose of extremely high testosterone, male chauvanism, sleep deprivation, etc..................anybody would have the potential to be fucked up sooner or later.
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Makes me wonder with the mission to Mars whether they will all kill each other on the way there.
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It does make one wonder.
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Makes me wonder with the mission to Mars whether they will all kill each other on the way there.
More like engaging in the wildest sex actually. It's a long trip, got to do something fun and exercise muscles at the same time. :eyebrows: Maybe it's part of the secret training... By the way I wonder if a couple have actually had zero-G sex yet, it's possible to go on those zero-G flights, so surely someone's done it by now.
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Makes me wonder with the mission to Mars whether they will all kill each other on the way there.
More like engaging in the wildest sex actually. It's a long trip, got to do something fun and exercise muscles at the same time. :eyebrows: Maybe it's part of the secret training... By the way I wonder if a couple have actually had zero-G sex yet, it's possible to go on those zero-G flights, so surely someone's done it by now.
Interesting question! A bunch of driven, competetive type AAA personalities cooped up in an automobile sized capsule, no privacy, no secrets, intimacy may reach new levels of interesting.
Add to that, the idea of NO rescue or hope of rescue possible if things go wrong, exposure to all possible kinds of radiation, zero G's for longer than can possibly be tested, a mixed gender crew, etc, etc, etc, yadda yadda yadda..............quite frankly, until someone comes up with a near light speed type of engine. A manned mars mission is not something that is likely in our lifetime! IMHO
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Ozy: Energizer bunnies, don't you mean. They'd fit in quite well as AAA personalities, and if those personalities were wired backward, they'd keep coming and coming and coming.......