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Title: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on July 01, 2008, 01:37:26 AM
Do you people mind if Intensity is linked to my site? I'm putting up banners of aspergers sites i'm linking to. You don't have to link me back.

Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Christopher McCandless on July 01, 2008, 03:09:06 AM
Lol, I dont. Where is this site of yours?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Callaway on July 01, 2008, 09:27:48 PM
That's fine, but if you want your site linked, I think we can do that too.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: renaeden on July 02, 2008, 03:12:39 AM
I want to see the site.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on July 02, 2008, 05:02:08 AM
Site isn't up yet. It's half done on a USB stick.  :laugh:

I've got to get this JS thing sorted then I'll upload. I made a lot of progress yesterday. Some of you may laugh, but my site is targeted at people with aspergers family members or friends that they don't know how to help.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: renaeden on July 02, 2008, 05:04:46 AM
I won't laugh, I think it is a good idea to have a site like that.


:plus:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on July 02, 2008, 05:12:54 AM
It's also targeted at aspies, parents, teachers, or anyone that's remotely interested in my life in limbo or peering into the mind of an aspie.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: renaeden on July 02, 2008, 05:39:39 AM
It is really cool to do a site. Mine is just a blog, all about me me me. :P

I believe that a lot of people can benefit from a site like the one you are making.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on July 02, 2008, 06:22:25 AM
Yeah, it's my own experiences that drove me to do it, growing up with parents that didn't understand or cope with my differences until I was diagnosed. Also people like my sister. Apparently she has to have councilling because I'm not a normal sister and she wishes I were.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: renaeden on July 02, 2008, 06:45:33 AM
WTF?  :o

I find that completely bizarre but also familiar, in a different sense. My sisters are a lot older than me but they are still very uncomfortable around me and will not talk to me about me, if you know what I mean.

Honestly, I feel for you. A shame your sister doesn't know what a great person you are, instead focusing on how you are not "normal". That just sucks.  :(
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on July 02, 2008, 06:59:18 AM
Yeah, it's my own experiences that drove me to do it, growing up with parents that didn't understand or cope with my differences until I was diagnosed. Also people like my sister. Apparently she has to have councilling because I'm not a normal sister and she wishes I were.

I feel sorry for your sister, having so many stones in her mind to try to live with, but I mostly feel bad that you have had to deal with HER and all her fucking expectations of YOU, your whole life.

I think you have a great idea for a website. It's been done before, but it always turns into a cry, whine, piss and moan convention of concerned, although incompetent, self centered people with their own problems to work out (possibly, like your sister?)

I hope you have better luck, with yours!
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on July 02, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
Do you people mind if Intensity is linked to my site? I'm putting up banners of aspergers sites i'm linking to. You don't have to link me back.



Of course not. It's great that you link to us. What's the URL to your site?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on July 03, 2008, 08:36:31 PM
I'm not going to trash my sister on my site, but I probably will make a blog about her. She is very kind in her own way, never forgets my birthday and sends me nice things. But it has been hard living with her expectations.

When I was little I would have friends over, and she would take them off me and gang up on me, and she would gang up on my in front of our cousins.. or just ignore me comletely because, I'm guessing she was ashamed.

She sighs when I don't talk enough, gets the pip when I don't enjoy going out in crowds, then goes home crying because "I didn't enjoy myself". She is two and a half years older than me.

My siste is called aspergersgirl.com

Nothing is up yet, I'll uplod when it's completed. :)
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on July 04, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
My siste is called aspergersgirl.com

So I don't have to quote it using a 24-point font just yet? :P
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: jman on July 04, 2008, 11:23:08 AM
Yeah, it's my own experiences that drove me to do it, growing up with parents that didn't understand or cope with my differences until I was diagnosed. Also people like my sister. Apparently she has to have councilling because I'm not a normal sister and she wishes I were.

I think that is most disabling part of AS (other than sensory issues), society's refusal to accept us as we are. People who are different make the world and life more interesting, imagine what life would be like if everyone were the same.

No offense, but your sister sounds lame, counseling because she can't accept you for you? Sounds to me like your sister needs to get over herself.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: thepeaguy on July 04, 2008, 11:44:01 AM
Yeah, it's my own experiences that drove me to do it, growing up with parents that didn't understand or cope with my differences until I was diagnosed. Also people like my sister. Apparently she has to have councilling because I'm not a normal sister and she wishes I were.

I think that is most disabling part of AS (other than sensory issues), society's refusal to accept us as we are. People who are different make the world and life more interesting, imagine what life would be like if everyone were the same.

No offense, but your sister sounds lame, counseling because she can't accept you for you? Sounds to me like your sister needs to get over herself.

Indeed. If people can't accept you for you (you're hardly a psycho), then they should fuck off.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on August 18, 2008, 06:12:07 AM
...my site?...

Great idea for a site, Gog Gog. Nice one.  :plus:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on August 19, 2008, 04:50:41 AM
The site has taken a backseat for the time being, but I hope to have it active soon.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Tesla on August 19, 2008, 04:51:16 AM
Looking forward to seeing it Fiona.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on August 19, 2008, 05:44:30 AM
I'll need to email my friend, he was helping with a form. I really hope some people will find it useful, as impact of friends and family in an aspergers person's life is huge.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Alex179 on August 19, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
It sounds interesting.  I hope it turns out well.   You can use pics of me if you want, or whatever.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 07, 2008, 06:31:08 AM
I have a bebo group in my site theme.

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=7926890508

The sits is not up, it has a lot of work and theres a test page up but no dependent files. Tomorrow I will work on changing the look of my new SMF to the website theme.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Callaway on October 07, 2008, 07:02:48 AM
I have a bebo group in my site theme.

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=7926890508

The sits is not up, it has a lot of work and theres a test page up but no dependent files. Tomorrow I will work on changing the look of my new SMF to the website theme.

Please let me know when you are ready for me to put a link to your site in the ASD websites links, OK?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: vodz on October 07, 2008, 07:04:06 AM
I have a bebo group in my site theme.

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=7926890508

The sits is not up, it has a lot of work and theres a test page up but no dependent files. Tomorrow I will work on changing the look of my new SMF to the website theme.

I joined the bebo group, coz I'm an asperger's girl. :cheer:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: driftingblizzard on October 07, 2008, 08:54:37 PM
I think I've joined...?~
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 07, 2008, 09:00:31 PM
My forum is a design disaster atm i'm working hard on the apperance of it.. and the content.

The shell can be viewed here. My account has finally been approved for the www.

http://www.aspergersgirl.com/index.php
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Trigger 11 on October 08, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
Sounds cool! 8)

Now I know why all of those people on Wrong Planet talk so highly of you. You rock! :headbang2:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 08, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
Just registered. :)
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on October 08, 2008, 04:25:17 PM
Just registered. :)

But I was the first member to post something there :green:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 09, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
Just registered. :)

But I was the first member to post something there :green:

I was the second. ;D
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on October 09, 2008, 05:55:39 PM
Just registered. :)

But I was the first member to post something there :green:

I was the second. ;D

Has our host there posted anything yet? :eyelash:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 10, 2008, 11:23:22 PM
It's going to be hard work getting people to register with such a small forum. I'm thinking of investing in adwords.

It will be extremely difficult to attract WP members as they may as well just post at WP.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Callaway on October 10, 2008, 11:27:49 PM
It's going to be hard work getting people to register with such a small forum. I'm thinking of investing in adwords.

It will be extremely difficult to attract WP members as they may as well just post at WP.

All forums start small, don't they?

I think that lots of WP people will visit your site if they know about it.  Maybe you need to PM some people there and invite them, once you get it going?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 10, 2008, 11:29:32 PM
I posted a thread at WP no-one so far seems interested @_@
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 11, 2008, 04:05:55 AM
Alas, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think WP will end up being a very poor place to promote my site, as it seems like minority crap compared to Wrongplanet. I'll have to get targeted traffic straight from other places.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: ApotheosisIV on October 11, 2008, 07:01:41 AM
Alas, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think WP will end up being a very poor place to promote my site, as it seems like minority crap compared to Wrongplanet. I'll have to get targeted traffic straight from other places.

I thought it was against the rules to promote other sites on WP.  :laugh:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 11, 2008, 07:23:19 AM
Alas, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think WP will end up being a very poor place to promote my site, as it seems like minority crap compared to Wrongplanet. I'll have to get targeted traffic straight from other places.

I thought it was against the rules to promote other sites on WP.  :laugh:

Well you see I thought of this before hand. I asked Alex if I could. He said that he doesn't let intensity do it because of adult content. If he bans me or deletes the threads I'm going to hit him up because he said I could.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 11, 2008, 10:51:07 AM
Alas, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think WP will end up being a very poor place to promote my site, as it seems like minority crap compared to Wrongplanet. I'll have to get targeted traffic straight from other places.

I thought it was against the rules to promote other sites on WP.  :laugh:

Well you see I thought of this before hand. I asked Alex if I could. He said that he doesn't let intensity do it because of adult content. If he bans me or deletes the threads I'm going to hit him up because he said I could.

All roads lead to Rome... WP advertises your place, you advertise ours. ;D
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 11, 2008, 09:58:53 PM
someones been spamming my site
saying they're going to put a lawsuit up against me because I made 3 posts on WP about my site and he said they were okay... what the FUCK???

http://aspergersgirl.com/index.php/topic,33.0.html

 Ihaven't been sending any FUCKING PM SPAM why are people so FUCKED UP????
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Christopher McCandless on October 12, 2008, 01:05:00 AM
someones been spamming my site
saying they're going to put a lawsuit up against me because I made 3 posts on WP about my site and he said they were okay... what the FUCK???

http://aspergersgirl.com/index.php/topic,33.0.html

 Ihaven't been sending any FUCKING PM SPAM why are people so FUCKED UP????
Who do you think has a vested interest in doing it?

Post it back on the source website.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: GalileoAce on October 12, 2008, 01:09:30 AM
someones been spamming my site
saying they're going to put a lawsuit up against me because I made 3 posts on WP about my site and he said they were okay... what the FUCK???

http://aspergersgirl.com/index.php/topic,33.0.html

 Ihaven't been sending any FUCKING PM SPAM why are people so FUCKED UP????
Who do you think has a vested interest in doing it?

Post it back on the source website.

Did that make any sense to anyone else?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 12, 2008, 01:22:52 AM
someones been spamming my site
saying they're going to put a lawsuit up against me because I made 3 posts on WP about my site and he said they were okay... what the FUCK???

http://aspergersgirl.com/index.php/topic,33.0.html

 Ihaven't been sending any FUCKING PM SPAM why are people so FUCKED UP????
Who do you think has a vested interest in doing it?

Post it back on the source website.

Did that make any sense to anyone else?

No but i'm starting to regret deleting the member, I should have kept his info and asked Alex to compare it to the WP members IPS.

How dare someone make up lies that I was sending people spam PMs? It really annoys me! Sort of person that would go on a shooting rampage tbh looking at the way he was going on.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Callaway on October 12, 2008, 01:39:55 AM
someones been spamming my site
saying they're going to put a lawsuit up against me because I made 3 posts on WP about my site and he said they were okay... what the FUCK???

http://aspergersgirl.com/index.php/topic,33.0.html

 Ihaven't been sending any FUCKING PM SPAM why are people so FUCKED UP????
Who do you think has a vested interest in doing it?

Post it back on the source website.

Did that make any sense to anyone else?

No but i'm starting to regret deleting the member, I should have kept his info and asked Alex to compare it to the WP members IPS.

How dare someone make up lies that I was sending people spam PMs? It really annoys me! Sort of person that would go on a shooting rampage tbh looking at the way he was going on.

His posts should still have his IP address if you did not delete them, even if you deleted his account.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Christopher McCandless on October 12, 2008, 01:40:14 AM
someones been spamming my site
saying they're going to put a lawsuit up against me because I made 3 posts on WP about my site and he said they were okay... what the FUCK???

http://aspergersgirl.com/index.php/topic,33.0.html

 Ihaven't been sending any FUCKING PM SPAM why are people so FUCKED UP????
Who do you think has a vested interest in doing it?

Post it back on the source website.

Did that make any sense to anyone else?
Person with vested interest in doing it = Alex Plank

Source Website = Wrong Planet
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: GalileoAce on October 12, 2008, 01:52:48 AM
You think the malcontent on the new site was actually Alex?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Callaway on October 12, 2008, 02:07:39 AM
You think the malcontent on the new site was actually Alex?

I guess it could be Alex, but it would have been easier for him just to tell her not to link her forum in the first place.

Too bad the posts are gone. 
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Christopher McCandless on October 12, 2008, 02:27:03 AM
You think the malcontent on the new site was actually Alex?

I guess it could be Alex, but it would have been easier for him just to tell her not to link her forum in the first place.

Too bad the posts are gone. 
Not at all, if he stops her linking her forum he has to offer a valid explanation, or at least some semblance. This way he doesn't have to comment.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 12, 2008, 02:46:38 AM
So you think it's him? I don't think so somehow, this person was bordering psychopathic.

Alex will benefit with my site getting publicity because WP is an affiliate of aspergersgirl.com. It would be a pretty fucking immature for him to do imo. The fist thing I said to him was "did you put this guy upto this" and haven't gotten a reply. I will be angry if it was something to do with him because I trusted him.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: duncvis on October 12, 2008, 09:43:24 AM
personally I wouldn't trust Plankton as far as you can throw him. He's only interested in himself.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on October 12, 2008, 10:04:23 AM
So you think it's him? I don't think so somehow, this person was bordering psychopathic.

I'd lay my money on somebody from here then (if I was a betting person) - lol :evillaugh:

It stinks when people do that sort of thing. Sorry to hear its happened to your site already :(
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: GalileoAce on October 12, 2008, 10:12:24 AM
personally I wouldn't trust Plankton as far as you can throw him. He's only interested in himself.

He is Autistic...
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 12, 2008, 10:38:26 AM
You think the malcontent on the new site was actually Alex?

I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 12, 2008, 10:39:17 AM
personally I wouldn't trust Plankton as far as you can throw him. He's only interested in himself.

Interested? More like deeply in love.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 12, 2008, 10:40:16 AM
personally I wouldn't trust Plankton as far as you can throw him. He's only interested in himself.

He is Autistic...

He is also an arse.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on October 12, 2008, 01:36:11 PM
Where is any evidence that it could be Alex or any particular individual that can be named with any certainty.

I think its more likely to be somebody from here thinking its a great jape.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 12, 2008, 02:24:29 PM
Where is any evidence that it could be Alex or any particular individual that can be named with any certainty.

I think its more likely to be somebody from here thinking its a great jape.

Logic fail.

Only a couple of people around here have anything against Bopp and most of the rest want to explore her pants.

Sheer numbers alone do not favor this place as a fertile bed of possible culprits, even with all the jokers and wild cards dealt in.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 12, 2008, 02:47:53 PM
Back when OTS was born, Alex didn't allow it to be advertised at WP. Can't have been the adult content so it must have been something else. Hey, wait... could it mean that he is an arse?
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: punkdrew on October 12, 2008, 04:02:58 PM
Just joined under my usual nom du Net.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 12, 2008, 06:28:20 PM
Alex hasn't replied to my PMs.

This is crazy :/
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 12, 2008, 06:54:22 PM
Alex hasn't replied to my PMs.

This is crazy :/
It's the weekend. Give him another day or so.


Is your site open to everyone or is it mainly an aspie girl's forum? I'm probably a bit too butch to pass for a girl, these days.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 12, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
Alex hasn't replied to my PMs.

This is crazy :/
It's the weekend. Give him another day or so.


Is your site open to everyone or is it mainly an aspie girl's forum? I'm probably a bit too butch to pass for a girl, these days.

Yep, open to everyone. I changed the name of it from aspergersgirl to aspie paradise to try and fix the confusion :)
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 13, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
Oh, you didn't like my name idea.  :'(
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on October 13, 2008, 02:19:30 AM
Where is any evidence that it could be Alex or any particular individual that can be named with any certainty.

I think its more likely to be somebody from here thinking its a great jape.

Logic fail.

And suggesting it is Alex Plank without a shred of evidence isn't 'logic fail' ? lol :eyelash:

There are one or two here who take almost every opportunity to be nasty to Bopp which is why I said what I did.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Christopher McCandless on October 13, 2008, 03:13:25 AM
So you think it's him? I don't think so somehow, this person was bordering psychopathic.
Fits so far.
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Alex will benefit with my site getting publicity because WP is an affiliate of aspergersgirl.com.
No no, the only thing that it is going to do in practise is cause him to lose him site traffic and members. As Odeon said, all roads lead to Rome.
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It would be a pretty fucking immature for him to do imo.
Since when has he been mature? Must of missed when that happened
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The fist thing I said to him was "did you put this guy upto this" and haven't gotten a reply.
His silence speaks for itself really.
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I will be angry if it was something to do with him because I trusted him.
Like Dunc, I wouldn't trust the guy at all.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 13, 2008, 03:39:55 AM
It seemed fishy, the guy seemed to find out pretty quickly that it was true I asked permission to make the threads... if it's not to do with Alex, he must have either hacked Alex's PM account on Wrongplanet or he has a close connection with Alex... either that or the guy was just raving mad.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 13, 2008, 03:50:00 AM
I also don't think it was anyone from here, the only person who displays a real dislike for me as far as I can tell is Sir Les Patterson, and you'd think he'd be old enough to know better.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 13, 2008, 04:24:35 AM
Where is any evidence that it could be Alex or any particular individual that can be named with any certainty.

I think its more likely to be somebody from here thinking its a great jape.

Logic fail.

And suggesting it is Alex Plank without a shred of evidence isn't 'logic fail' ? lol :eyelash:

Of course it would and I felt you had adequately addressed the notion.
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There are one or two here who take almost every opportunity to be nasty to Bopp which is why I said what I did.
Possibly ...

... and the ones who take every opportunity to "be nasty" to any and all here, (all in support of WP, mind you) out number by a fair margin those one or two who enjoy winding up Bopp. The history between Plank and many people here is a long one and it does not involve me, directly, so I am giving you back this conversation, now.
The only dust-ups I have had have been with certain WP members or moderators. Alex has never shown me any disrespect, but his staff has.

Anyway, I mainly wanted to keep others from sliding too far off the road in the tracks you had made.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Nocturnalist! on October 13, 2008, 09:00:56 AM
I also don't think it was anyone from here, the only person who displays a real dislike for me as far as I can tell is Sir Les Patterson, and you'd think he'd be old enough to know better.

You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment :evillaugh: (Here's hoping you're familiar with 'House of Cards')

(http://manolomen.com/images/Ian%20Richardson.jpg)
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: GalileoAce on October 13, 2008, 09:10:16 AM
Wait! Can I jump to conclusions too! :D
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: renaeden on October 13, 2008, 09:13:16 AM
I think it could be anyone and they had no basis for their argument anyway.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 13, 2008, 10:40:27 AM
Wait! Can I jump to conclusions too! :D

Yes, absolutely. Check your parachute, first.


(that was my main point, thankyou)
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 13, 2008, 10:41:39 AM
I think it could be anyone and they had no basis for their argument anyway.

... even a random google-ite?

NAH!
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: odeon on October 13, 2008, 12:52:20 PM
It seemed fishy, the guy seemed to find out pretty quickly that it was true I asked permission to make the threads... if it's not to do with Alex, he must have either hacked Alex's PM account on Wrongplanet or he has a close connection with Alex... either that or the guy was just raving mad.

Alex or one of his mods, I'd say. And no, I don't have any proof. I just remember what it was like with the other sites.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Mr Smith on October 15, 2008, 02:14:33 AM
Said he didn't have anything to do with it, I'm starting to not care about whether this is true or not as long as I can keep raging psychopaths off my site in future. This guy wasn't your average nutter. He seeme dto enjoy trying to make me do what he wanted.
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 15, 2008, 09:45:31 AM
Said he didn't have anything to do with it, I'm starting to not care about whether this is true or not as long as I can keep raging psychopaths off my site in future. This guy wasn't your average nutter. He seeme dto enjoy trying to make me do what he wanted.

That doesn't sound all that odd in certain contexts.

 :evillaugh:
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: Trigger 11 on October 15, 2008, 09:55:50 AM
Where is any evidence that it could be Alex or any particular individual that can be named with any certainty.

I think its more likely to be somebody from here thinking its a great jape.

Logic fail.

Only a couple of people around here have anything against Bopp and most of the rest want to explore her pants.

Sheer numbers alone do not favor this place as a fertile bed of possible culprits, even with all the jokers and wild cards dealt in.

 :o
Title: Re: My new site
Post by: DirtDawg on October 15, 2008, 11:57:04 AM
Where is any evidence that it could be Alex or any particular individual that can be named with any certainty.

I think its more likely to be somebody from here thinking its a great jape.

Logic fail.

Only a couple of people around here have anything against Bopp and most of the rest want to explore her pants.

Sheer numbers alone do not favor this place as a fertile bed of possible culprits, even with all the jokers and wild cards dealt in.

 :o

You object in some way to her pants?

Rock off dude.

I would send a "check"  or jump in a box, Next Day Air, if I were your age. Take my chances.