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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Parts on May 20, 2008, 07:38:55 PM
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Jesus Camp(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/) is on these people scare the shit out of me and should be considered a threat as much as the Muslim Schools in Pakistan. They are working from within our own country with existing laws to turn it into some sort of theocracy. The kids are brain washed in this it's so wrong I can't even describe how bad it is. We have some here in New England but this stuff makes me leery of other parts of the country. Just how far will these people go the woman in the beginning hoped that they would be as dedicated as the muslims
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We're all brainwashed.
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Watched that ages ago and it freaked me right out.
I think the people to blame here are the kids' parents and not the woman herself.
She's a wacko full stop but these parents are allowing their children to be brainwashed.
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I saw it before too, and it is scary to think of these little kids getting brainwashed like this.
It's no wonder, with that kind of intense training and discipling, that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I wanna see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine and all those different places, you know, because we have... excuse me, but we have the truth!
I can go into a playground of kids that don't know anything about Christianity, lead them to the Lord in a matter of, just no time at all, and just moments later they can be seeing visions and hearing the voice of God, because they're so open. They are so usable in Christianity.
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I saw it before too, and it is scary to think of these little kids getting brainwashed like this.
It's no wonder, with that kind of intense training and discipling, that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I wanna see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine and all those different places, you know, because we have... excuse me, but we have the truth!
I can go into a playground of kids that don't know anything about Christianity, lead them to the Lord in a matter of, just no time at all, and just moments later they can be seeing visions and hearing the voice of God, because they're so open. They are so usable in Christianity.
Kids are easy if you start them young enough you can teach them to believe anything which is why they put so much into this sort of thing. Makes me worry for the future.
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We're all brainwashed.
Probably 99% of us are. Still, all it takes to free your mind is accepting that everything you believe in just might be false and spending a few years doing objective research without limiting yourself to mainstream sources.
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We're all brainwashed.
Probably 99% of us are. Still, all it takes to free your mind is accepting that everything you believe in just might be false and spending a few years doing objective research without limiting yourself to mainstream sources.
You have a belief system such that you think there was no systematic murder of any group of people, for example, Jews or Poles, by the Nazis in WWII.
It is analogous to the belief system that Scientologists share in thinking this:
Past lives, "Secret" Levels and Extraterrestrial beings
See also: Operating Thetan and Space opera in Scientology doctrine
In Dianetics, Hubbard proposed that the cause of "aberrations" in a human mind was an accumulation of pain and unconscious memories of traumatic incidents, some of which predated the life of the human. He extended this view further in Scientology, declaring that "thetans" have existed for tens of trillions of years (several orders of magnitude greater than what mainstream science generally estimates the age of the universe to be). During that time, Hubbard says, they have been exposed to a vast number of traumatic incidents, and have made a great many decisions that influence their present state. Hubbard's 1958 book Have You Lived Before This Life contains descriptions of past lives given by individual Scientologists during auditing sessions. According to an early lecture of Hubbard's, it is, as a practical matter, both impossible and undesirable to recall each and every such event from such vast stretches of time.[87] As a result, Hubbard's three-decade development of Scientology focused on addressing only "key factors."
According to Hubbard, some past traumas may have been deliberately inflicted in the form of "implants" used by extraterrestrial dictatorships such as Helatrobus to brainwash and control the population. Hubbard's lectures and writings include a wide variety of accounts of complex extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described by Hubbard as "space opera." There is a huge Church of Spiritual Technology symbol carved into the ground at Scientology's Trementina Base that is visible from the air.[88] Washington Post reporter Richard Leiby wrote, "Former Scientologists familiar with Hubbard’s teachings on reincarnation say the symbol marks a 'return point' so loyal staff members know where they can find the founder’s works when they travel here in the future from other places in the universe."
They have accepted that everything they formerly believed in just might be false and they think that they have spent a few years doing objective research without limiting themselves to mainstream sources, although they call it being cleared through auditing sessions.
My point is that I think that their beliefs are incorrect, just as I think that your beliefs are.
Lets say that Scientologists came to Intensity and asserted these facts and when you disagreed with them and you thought that their beliefs were wacky, they asked you to objectively prove to their satisfaction that the extraterrestrial dictatorships such as that of Helatrobus never existed. How would you ever be able to prove it to their satisfaction, when they have spent a great deal of time and money becoming brainwashed that this is true?
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They have accepted that everything they formerly believed in just might be false and they think that they have spent a few years doing objective research without limiting themselves to mainstream sources, although they call it being cleared through auditing sessions.
My point is that I think that their beliefs are incorrect, just as I think that your beliefs are.
Lets say that Scientologists came to Intensity and asserted these facts and when you disagreed with them and you thought that their beliefs were wacky, they asked you to objectively prove to their satisfaction that the extraterrestrial dictatorships such as that of Helatrobus never existed. How would you ever be able to prove it to their satisfaction, when they have spent a great deal of time and money becoming brainwashed that this is true?
There are many pretty obvious myths in society, just to make the people stay subjects instead of citizens. "Democracy" is one of them. How can there be real democracy when those elected by the people usually not execute the will of the people? The Swedish voters who elected the goverment we have now certainly did not want the FRA law. The majority of the people in the Western world does not want the mass immigration from Third world countries or "almost" Third world countries.
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God is more real than anybody may think. ;)
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God is more real than anybody may think. ;)
This Jesus Camp has nothing to do with God it's about nutters. I can respect people some religious people but not them
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Yeah, I think Jesus was camp, which is why Mary tried to keep him on the straight and narrow. It's all this hanging around with those disciples that did it. And Judas turned out to be his pimp, peddling him to the Romans. Had it been me, I'd have charged something a bit more reasonable than 30 peices of silver, given that a piece of ass like his had to be worth at least 100. Him being messiah and all.
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When it's adults I don't have a problem with it they're old enough to make their choices, but with kids, let them grow up, let them choose their own path. :(
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We watched Jesus Camp last night.
Those people are so far from their own religion it's not even funny.
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We watched Jesus Camp last night.
Those people are so far from their own religion it's not even funny.
There are a lot of them though which is very scary
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Maybe Jim Jones didn't suicide afterall; he snuck away and is now the leader of the Jesus Camp movement. Warch out for the cordial at your next church meeting, folks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4
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The obvious solution is to kill all of these people.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4
Yeah, I remember that Wife Swap episode. Fucking bitch should have been sent to fat camp.
No wonder I hate bible humpers and rabid arseholes like them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4
I think that woman is psychotic.
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You should have seen the pagan family they inflicted her on. Fuck, were they relieved to get her behind them.
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I remember that episode. I don't know why they didn't just laugh at her every time she opened her mouth. I bet even Jesus thinks she's a jerk. :lol:
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I bet Jesus would be turning in his grave every time he thinks of these buggers, if only for that fucking cross.
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When it's adults I don't have a problem with it they're old enough to make their choices, but with kids, let them grow up, let them choose their own path. :(
:agreed:
I don't raise my kids to be Atheists. I let them be free of such things so that they can make their own decisions when they are old enough and mature enough to do so.
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She sure was fugly. Mind you, that wouldn't have mattered so much if she hadn't have been so rabid.
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I saw it before too, and it is scary to think of these little kids getting brainwashed like this.
It's no wonder, with that kind of intense training and discipling, that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I wanna see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine and all those different places, you know, because we have... excuse me, but we have the truth!
I can go into a playground of kids that don't know anything about Christianity, lead them to the Lord in a matter of, just no time at all, and just moments later they can be seeing visions and hearing the voice of God, because they're so open. They are so usable in Christianity.
And some people on this site wonder why I'm an Anti-theist. ::)
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I remember that episode. I don't know why they didn't just laugh at her every time she opened her mouth. I bet even Jesus thinks she's a jerk. :lol:
Of course, that's assuming Jesus wasn't a complete fabrication. I think it's entirely possible there was no actual person that the myth was based on.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxaxo_v2TxM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxaxo_v2TxM
:duh: :wanker:
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The puritans moved away from here to the other side of the Atlantic, and now we are getting zealous evangelical movements back from there in return.
Almost makes me believe in Karma. :asthing:
I remember family gatherings, where all dreaded one family, who had gone evangelical and zealous. That was new, and no-one liked it. People could be strong in their own convictions, but, never to the point of pushing it that much. And certainly not by pushing values and beliefs by use of emotions. That was considered a dirty and low trick.
Now, pentecostal zealous movements are here more and more. And, some pentecostals behave far more zealous and withdrawn than I have seen from any Muslim. Some hide away from the bad bad world, out in the country, listening to only religious songs, meeting only other people who believe exactly the same, and telling all others how bad they live. Very scary. Kids may live there for years. And will be afraid for everyone who has a (mild) different view on life.
Ever noticed how these groups prey on people who have some instability in life?
I was preyed on by two groups a few years ago. A friend of mine, minister by profession, agreed with me that my situation must have looked dire to them, two groups hunting for me at once. Just like scientologists, they know who to aim for.
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The
Morons Mormons came to my dad's house almost 25 years ago. He knew more about their religion than they did, they left with their tail between their legs. They haven't been back since. >:D
Cults don't try to recruit me because they know I'm on to their game.
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
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The Morons Mormons came to my dad's house almost 25 years ago. He knew more about their religion than they did, they left with their tail between their legs. They haven't been back since. >:D
Cults don't try to recruit me because they know I'm on to their game.
I've been tracked down by the Navigators for a long long time, when I was 18. I'm pretty sure they would have given up after one obligatory attempt, had I not been close friends with someone who did become a member. They wanted to either severe our friendship, or get me into their realm. They failed both ways. But, I was considered a real threat to my friend.
The last time I got preyed on, was when I was in a massive break-down, getting unemployed, and, my marriage was going to pieces. They were on it as vultures on a crippled sheep in the mountains. But, could not make sense of my not desperate and not needy reactions, and, backed off immediately.
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
What got you into it?
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
I did that trip in the mid-late 80's, about the same time I discovered weed. Ever see anyone speak in tougues? Entertaining. :laugh:
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The Morons Mormons came to my dad's house almost 25 years ago. He knew more about their religion than they did, they left with their tail between their legs. They haven't been back since. >:D
Cults don't try to recruit me because they know I'm on to their game.
I have a simpler way to deal with the mormons.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6PdsPkQFSI0/S_0-JZ5rYyI/AAAAAAAABSk/XWtepFM6GB0/s1600/flamethrower_straight.jpg)
:flame:
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
I did that trip in the mid-late 80's, about the same time I discovered weed. Ever see anyone speak in tougues? Entertaining. :laugh:
Good that your both better now :thumbup:
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Ever see anyone speak in tougues? Entertaining.
Have. The first time was young and alone with a friend's family; found it frightening.
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The Morons Mormons came to my dad's house almost 25 years ago. He knew more about their religion than they did, they left with their tail between their legs. They haven't been back since. >:D
Cults don't try to recruit me because they know I'm on to their game.
I've been tracked down by the Navigators for a long long time, when I was 18. I'm pretty sure they would have given up after one obligatory attempt, had I not been close friends with someone who did become a member. They wanted to either severe our friendship, or get me into their realm. They failed both ways. But, I was considered a real threat to my friend.
My dad was in the Navigators for a while. I had no idea they were so cultish.
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
But you see, human inability to understand the word of god is proof of how great god is. ;) If you fail to understand the word of god, you just need to pray harder. ;D
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
But you see, human inability to understand the word of god is proof of how great god is. ;) If you fail to understand the word of god, you just need to pray harder. ;D
Or give them more money :P :P
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
I did that trip in the mid-late 80's, about the same time I discovered weed. Ever see anyone speak in tougues? Entertaining. :laugh:
OK, let me see... Icequeen :stoned: and the parishioners! :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:
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I hit the Catholics & the Methodists too. Would have hit more but it was a small town without alot of variety.
Curiousity, that and we had a couple of awesome old Catholic churches that I really had to see the insides of. I've always had a thing for old buildings & houses, that's how it began. :lol:
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I hit the Catholics & the Methodists too. Would have hit more but it was a small town without alot of variety.
Curiousity, that and we had a couple of awesome old Catholic churches that I really had to see the insides of. I've always had a thing for old buildings & houses, that's how it began. :lol:
Catholic churches really are beautiful! I miss them sometimes. (Yes, I was raised Catholic.) :harp:
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I hit the Catholics & the Methodists too. Would have hit more but it was a small town without alot of variety.
Curiousity, that and we had a couple of awesome old Catholic churches that I really had to see the insides of. I've always had a thing for old buildings & houses, that's how it began. :lol:
The Catholic Churches in Europe are AWSOME!!! :2thumbsup: That, and Abbey Ale are the 2 things the Catholic Church got right. ;)
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
What got you into it?
I read one of those dire paperbacks that link world events to the Book of Revelation,
and was sufficiently traumatized to take it seriously. :duh:
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
What got you into it?
I read one of those dire paperbacks that link world events to the Book of Revelation,
and was sufficiently traumatized to take it seriously. :duh:
I had a friend once who kept trying to get me to read all that type of stuff :zombiefuck: He's now involved in running some wierd cultish church. The funny thing is his little sister is now a semi-famous streaker, and lap dancer :laugh: She was such a bitch. I bet he is dying of shame about her :LOL:
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
What got you into it?
I read one of those dire paperbacks that link world events to the Book of Revelation,
and was sufficiently traumatized to take it seriously. :duh:
I had a friend once who kept trying to get me to read all that type of stuff :zombiefuck: He's now involved in running some wierd cultish church. The funny thing is his little sister is now a semi-famous streaker, and lap dancer :laugh: She was such a bitch. I bet he is dying of shame about her :LOL:
His sister is awesome in my eyes just for annoying her brother :lol:
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I was a fundamentalist Christian, for about 5 weeks in 1996. :duh:
You being a fundi was an epic fail, or it would have lasted longer. :asthing:
Yes, what soured me on the church was that the pastor couldn't explain a confusing Bible passage to me, and justified his failure
by saying something like "Sometimes when you chew on a piece of Scripture, it begins to chew on you," meaning, I guess, that
despite the Bible being the literal word of God, if you find something you don't understand, you can just ignore it! Wow! :aff:
I hated the whole hell-and-damnation thing, but the pastor's making a lame excuse for his inability to explain
the very book he preached about was kind of my ticket out of there. :woohoo:
What got you into it?
I read one of those dire paperbacks that link world events to the Book of Revelation,
and was sufficiently traumatized to take it seriously. :duh:
I had a friend once who kept trying to get me to read all that type of stuff :zombiefuck: He's now involved in running some wierd cultish church. The funny thing is his little sister is now a semi-famous streaker, and lap dancer :laugh: She was such a bitch. I bet he is dying of shame about her :LOL:
His sister is awesome in my eyes just for annoying her brother :lol:
It is funny what she does. She's streaked at Wimbledon, and Lords :laugh:. She was a horrid, horrid girl though. I could never stand her. I would almost say that I hated her.
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What got you into it?
I read one of those dire paperbacks that link world events to the Book of Revelation,
and was sufficiently traumatized to take it seriously. :duh:
That easy to do though. Much of the book of Revelation is writen in metaphors that can be interpreted any way you want. The rest of it is vauge or obvious stuff that will happen sooner or later anyways.
FWIW, the island of Patamos, where John was from, is covered in halucinigenic mushrooms. :mushie: :mushie: :mushie:
That should explain the book of Revelations better than anything else. ;)