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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Peter on March 22, 2008, 07:26:09 AM
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A couple of videos:
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/texts/stoning.wmv
(A guy gets flogged first, then a couple of women get stoned; it gets increasingly grizzly towards the end.)
http://tomorrowpictures.tv/labels/Stoning.html#
(Girl is stoned by a lynch mob.)
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What the hell is wrong with them and don't give me that fucking it's a different culture and that I wouldn't understand. They are people and this is disgusting no matter who or why it's done period.
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ditto, amen and i agree! :-*
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What does that makes us though?
We have the death penalty.
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we don't stone people to death for having sex
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We do send them to the electric chair or inject them with poison.
The logic here is a bit twisted. By murdering prisoners we're stooping down to their level. It certainly won't undo any of the crimes they had committed.
A lot of people are put on death row when innocent.
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It gets rid of them though, so we don't have to pay to keep them alive. Child abusers, rapists, murderers - some of these should just be executed if proven guilty
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The chair is now rare. The injection is very common now. In the 90's the injection was starting to become popular but the chair was still very common. I got this info on deathpenaltyinfo.org. They have a list of inmates who have been executed since 1976 and it says what method they died by. That's how I got the info. I think we still use the gas chamber but it hasn't been used since 1999 and only 11 people have died in it since 1976. Only two US states do hanging. It used to be three but one of them got rid of the method. I can't remember if it was Washington or Montana but they do have lethal injections too.
They used to execute the mentally retard but the US supreme court finally outlawed it in 2002, now all they get is life sentences now which still doesn't make sense.
The reason why I don't like the death penalty is because innocent people die, two wrongs don't make it right. There are 12 states that don't have it. Michigan was the first one to abolish it.
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I don't think it's wrong to kill someone who's raped and murdered a 6 year-old (for example). It doesn't make it right, but I don't see it as being wrong either.
Although in most cases, I'd say keep them alive to live with what they've done, as punishment, as I don't think death is severe enough. Death is an easy way out for someone like that. But they don't have it hard enough in prison. I don't mean in general, I mean the ones who REALLY deserve to suffer. tbh, there are some kinds of people who, if it was up to me, would just be put in a cage and tortured. But (luckily for some), it's not up to me.
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I do not support the death penalty for anyone
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I used to be anti-death penalty
I hate people more now though and I'm more of an angry person
Especially certain kinds of criminals (child abusers really make me angry)
I don't get why people think it's so terrible (unless the person executed may be innocent)
But if they're proven guilty, is it really that bad? Death ends everything for them. They don't have to live with what they've done.
They get an easy way out. I'm not saying death is an easy way out in all circumstances, but as a punishment, death is nothing.
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I just feel the state should not be executing anyone. There is the question of people wrongly convicted and the whole mental illness issue. Better to let them rot and have mandatory physiological testing and experimenting to find out what went wrong with them. Also I think life in jail is a much harsher penalty for most people to deal with then just getting it over.
If someone is killed while committing a crime too bad or them but once they are in custody that's it. As for people like say Bin Laden solitary and feed him only pork and beer >:D
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ok I can agree with that :laugh:
I think we should test alsorts on criminals
It would be more accurate, and stop animal rights protesters complaining at the same time :P
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i don't believe in the death penalty.
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i don't believe in the death penalty.
Well it exists so you have to believe it's there :P
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it's like the fairies. :P don't clap your hands.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zab6DH_ViD8&mode=related&search=
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My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.
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If I had my way, everyone would be stoned.
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My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.
I think that castration would be a just punishment for someone who rapes someone else, especially if a child is the victim and his guilt is absolutely certain, but the fact that it would likely be done to some innocent men as well makes me cringe. It would be extremely unjust to do something like castrating or executing an innocent person.
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My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.
I think that castration would be a just punishment for someone who rapes someone else, especially if a child is the victim and his guilt is absolutely certain, but the fact that it would likely be done to some innocent men as well makes me cringe. It would be extremely unjust to do something like castrating or executing an innocent person.
The whole question is whether this is about punishment,
or something else. I don't believe in punishment, but could
see the argument there. As to deterrence, people have committed
acts of sexual violence, after castration. Indeed, some can even get
an erection, after a physical one (I don't know about chemical).
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If it's just for punishment, I don't see the point
If it would stop them re-offending (I dunno much about how it works, but I don't think it would), then I can see an argument for it...
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The only way to stop anyone from committing some
future crime is to kill them. Let fire judge those who
would be imperfect! Nukes for all.
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Be very hard if it was a woman to castrate them I believe if they were the ones doing the molesting I believe. ::) ;D
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i don't believe in punishment either.
castrating doesn't take away their hands. or their minds. a molester is a molester. still dangerous. and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.
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take off their heads
that would solve teh problemo
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unless they're cute. then stuff them.
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and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.
Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).
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Every rape is different in one way or another. That doesn't change the fact that it's rape though.
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I know. I'm not sure they should be treated differently.
I'm just saying that sometimes, what is defined as rape,
IS about sex.
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Ah ok. I agree there then.
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and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.
Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).
Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.
Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.
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and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.
Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).
Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.
Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.
Isn't he uniquely qualified to report on his own motivations?
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and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.
Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).
Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.
Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.
Isn't he uniquely qualified to report on his own motivations?
Didn't he say that he raped that woman out of anger because she threatened some of his games?
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Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.
Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.
Got NOTHING to do with my experience, which was entirely those things.
Indeed, there was little sexual about the whole experience.
However, slipping some girl a mickey, or pushing someone down during
a date probably has much more to do with sex.
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Isn't he uniquely qualified to report on his own motivations?
Yes. But, this is a belief that I held from before.
I see what I did as far worse.
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Didn't he say that he raped that woman out of anger because she threatened some of his games?
No. Never that. I beat her for that.
I don't even know the why of the rape.
It was something she was trying to
unleash in me - but neither of us knew what
it was. We both knew it was violent though.
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Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.
Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.
Got NOTHING to do with my experience, which was entirely those things.
Indeed, there was little sexual about the whole experience.
However, slipping some girl a mickey, or pushing someone down during
a date probably has much more to do with sex.
I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.
Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control?
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I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.
Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control?
I can't be certain, because I KNOW I would never
do anything like that, for sex. But, I rather suspect
that extreme desire can move those with little self-
control. I've done some things that are pretty damned
foul, without any feelings of power, for sex alone. I suspect
that some feel that a woman might be willing, but unwilling
to say so.
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My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.
Eunuchs can still molest with their hands. Just because a guy has no balls and dick, doesn't mean he can fondle and violate a child. These people are sick mentally as they always minimalize their actions and try to justify what they do. The psychologist that works in the same office building as me won't even see child molesters since they rarely change or rehab at all. Murderers have a better rehabilitation rate lol. There is a history of eunuchs doing sexual shit to people anyways, it stops very little.
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Eunuchs can still molest with their hands. Just because a guy has no balls and dick, doesn't mean he can fondle and violate a child. These people are sick mentally as they always minimalize their actions and try to justify what they do. The psychologist that works in the same office building as me won't even see child molesters since they rarely change or rehab at all. Murderers have a better rehabilitation rate lol. There is a history of eunuchs doing sexual shit to people anyways, it stops very little.
Yes. Hell, I can NEVER trust myself again.
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My boyfriend also believes child rapists and molesters should be put do death. What if there was castration? Take off their balls and they won’t hurt another child but unfortunately it’s seen as a cruel and unusual punishment. But it’s better than having them going out and hurting children and if they are asexual, they won’t hurt children. But here is the problem, what if they were innocent? Men have been accused of molesting a child.
So it made me reconsider about it.
Eunuchs can still molest with their hands. Just because a guy has no balls and dick, doesn't mean he can fondle and violate a child. These people are sick mentally as they always minimalize their actions and try to justify what they do. The psychologist that works in the same office building as me won't even see child molesters since they rarely change or rehab at all. Murderers have a better rehabilitation rate lol. There is a history of eunuchs doing sexual shit to people anyways, it stops very little.
I have been told by people, even by my old shrink that if you remove a guy's balls, it makes them weak, effects their hormones and I was told they won't have a sex drive so therefore they won't be sexually attracted to anyone. My boyfriend even told me removing their balls takes away their sex drive and they won't want to molest a child because there is no sex feeling. They won't even have sexual fantasies about them either. Maybe all those people were wrong whom told me? Shrinks can be wrong too. They're not perfect.
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and rape isn't about sex. they would still be hungry for power over someone helpless.
Yes and no. Like I've said, there are different kinds of rape.
Which is kind of why I don't like them being lumped together. Nothing
to do with 'aggravating circumstances' (though they seldom happen when
rape IS about sex). I don't know if the penalty should be different, as the
effect on the victim may be the same (though I doubt this - but how can one
tell? Every victim is different).
Most people agree that rape is an act of violence, power, and control, Calandale.
Just because you raped a woman that does not make you an authority on the subject.
Aw, you just ruined his fantasy now. :(
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I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.
Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control?
I can't be certain, because I KNOW I would never
do anything like that, for sex. But, I rather suspect
that extreme desire can move those with little self-
control. I've done some things that are pretty damned
foul, without any feelings of power, for sex alone. I suspect
that some feel that a woman might be willing, but unwilling
to say so.
I was raped on a date, under circumstances that Cal describes above. The guy had poor self-control and I wasn't able to read the signs, plus we'd both been drinking. Afterwards his roommate came in and tried to rape me too, but I had a meltdown and they thought I was having a seizure. They both panicked, and the other guy ran. My "date" was very apologetic and terrified that I was going to call the cops. I didn't report him because I was scared to death of him by that point, and I also blamed myself for what happened. My brains were already pretty scrambled from the AS and from other things in my life, so I just added it to the list of my own "mistakes."
I've only recently started to remember and deal with this experience. It's been unpleasant to ponder, but I guess it's doing me some good to finally face it. :-\
At the time it happened, I wasn't thinking of revenge. I was just wanting it to never have happened at all, so I denied it. If I had to assign a punishment to that guy for what happened, I have no idea what it'd be.
I realize that every rape is "different," but I do agree with Cal that sometimes it's a lack of sexual self-control that's involved, more than a pre-meditated act of power and control over the woman.
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I would kill bastards like that.
:hug:
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I think that slipping a date rape drug into a woman's drink is more about power and control than about the sex, too.
Do you mean pushing the woman down to rape her is not about power and control?
I can't be certain, because I KNOW I would never
do anything like that, for sex. But, I rather suspect
that extreme desire can move those with little self-
control. I've done some things that are pretty damned
foul, without any feelings of power, for sex alone. I suspect
that some feel that a woman might be willing, but unwilling
to say so.
I was raped on a date, under circumstances that Cal describes above. The guy had poor self-control and I wasn't able to read the signs, plus we'd both been drinking. Afterwards his roommate came in and tried to rape me too, but I had a meltdown and they thought I was having a seizure. They both panicked, and the other guy ran. My "date" was very apologetic and terrified that I was going to call the cops. I didn't report him because I was scared to death of him by that point, and I also blamed myself for what happened. My brains were already pretty scrambled from the AS and from other things in my life, so I just added it to the list of my own "mistakes."
I've only recently started to remember and deal with this experience. It's been unpleasant to ponder, but I guess it's doing me some good to finally face it. :-\
At the time it happened, I wasn't thinking of revenge. I was just wanting it to never have happened at all, so I denied it. If I had to assign a punishment to that guy for what happened, I have no idea what it'd be.
I realize that every rape is "different," but I do agree with Cal that sometimes it's a lack of sexual self-control that's involved, more than a pre-meditated act of power and control over the woman.
I know what he deserves for his "lack of self-control". This was not your fault at all.
(http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1699.0;attach=811;image)
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That is not enough :zoinks:
I say he still needs to be tortured.
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Orrr like what happened in Hard Candy.
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I would kill bastards like that.
:hug:
Thanks, Gus. :hug:
I didn't ever hate that guy, I never wanted anything bad to happen to him. I never considered the fact that he might be doing the same thing to other women, and that I should have done something. I just didn't want to think about it at all.
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And thank you, too Callaway. :hug: Even if that pic did scare the life out of me. :laugh: I don't like seeing blood.
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I hate him and his wannabe rapist roommate too. I wonder how many people they "lost control" with.
>:(
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I hate him and his wannabe rapist roommate too. I wonder how many people they "lost control" with.
>:(
I don't know. I hope he didn't do that to anyone else. I don't want that on my karma, too.
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You wouldn't have that on your karma too
Lots of women are too traumatised to go to the police after they're raped, or are scared of reporting the person who did it etc, and don't go. That doesn't mean you're to blame, it's understandable.
And I hate rapists too
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You wouldn't have that on your karma too
Lots of women are too traumatised to go to the police after they're raped, or are scared of reporting the person who did it etc, and don't go. That doesn't mean you're to blame, it's understandable.
:agreed:
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I felt the same when a guy followed me on the tube. I was so scared. I hope he didn't do anything to anyone else.
First he sat next to me on the train to Paddington and kept staring at me, I thought he was just a random weirdo and lost him in Paddington. Then suddenly he popped up again so just to see if I was being paranoid, I went the wrong way and turned. He did the same! Seriously freaked now, I went to the Bakerloo line and he obviously followed and stood close to me on the platform. Then sat bang opposite me on the tube and stared all the way down to my station. When he saw me getting up, he got up as well. So seriously panicking right now (I had to walk a long way down from the station) I went up to a friendly looking bloke and asked him if I could walk out with him because someone was following me and I was scared. He looked at me a bit wierdly but agreed :laugh: I never saw the other bloke again.
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I realize that every rape is "different," but I do agree with Cal that sometimes it's a lack of sexual self-control that's involved, more than a pre-meditated act of power and control over the woman.
And, in my case, there was no way in hell that it
was premeditated. It fucking sickened me so much
after, that I committed a far worse 'crime' in the
eyes of my victim, blaming her; kicking her out,
of my bed, for what I did.
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I didn't ever hate that guy, I never wanted anything bad to happen to him. I never considered the fact that he might be doing the same thing to other women, and that I should have done something. I just didn't want to think about it at all.
The kind actually bothers me more. Ah, not if it
truly was uncontrolled, I guess, but those so
assured as to push. Hell, I hate those who don't
rape, and are pushy.
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And thank you, too Callaway. :hug: Even if that pic did scare the life out of me. :laugh: I don't like seeing blood.
It kinda aroused me. :zoinks:
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I don't think many women report men after they're raped. My mother sure didn't when it happened with her. She thought she deserved it and she couldn't figure out what she did wrong for some guy to come up to her and take her and rape her. I don't know any details because I never asked. All I asked was if she ever told anyone about it and she said no and I asked her why and she said she thought she did something wrong and she deserved it and she felt very ashamed. She didn't know what she did wrong. She knows now but back then she didn't. She was about my age when it happened. I don't think nothing would have happened to the guy if she went to the police about it because women didn't have rights back then but they were starting to have rights.
My aunt was raped when she was 13 by four men and what did my grandparents do about it, nothing, they made her abort her baby because they were very embarrassed. They thought they would get disowned by their whole family if they all found out. My mother told me they didn't go to the police because the judge would have said she was out looking for sex because she was wearing a tight skirt and it was a message to the men she wants sex. But she was only 13, was it okay to have sex with kids that young in the early 70's?
I know the age of consent now is 16 depending on what state. In some states, it's 17.
I assume my grandparents forced my aunt to keep it all a secret because no one knew about it. She never asked anyone why she was forced to have an abortion and it was against their church rules so it confused her more and more and then she finally went crazy, literally. Now she has a mental illness. My mother said it was the rape that did it, not the abortion.
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I think that you're right about how often women don't report it to the police when they are raped, Spokane Girl.
Neither your mother nor your aunt did anything wrong.
I feel awful that this happened to them.
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So do i
Rape makes me angry >:(
Even today, women who have been raped aren't treated properly, especially by the authorities
It's not surprising that a lot of women don't go to the police
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Yeah, I felt like SG's mom did - felt like I'd done something to provoke it by my clothes or by something I said or did. I shouldn't have agreed to go to his place, shouldn't have drank so much, shouldn't have flirted with him, etc. That will always stay with me, even if I know that he was the one who stepped over the line. It was always so difficult for me to know how to act on dates anyway, because most guys seemed to interpret my enthusiastic interest in them as nothing but a sexual come-on. That always confused me and made me feel ashamed, because I've always been very outgoing and talkative. And of course I did find those guys attractive, but I wasn't trying to jump them, nor did I want them to jump me. So when that happened I blamed myself for "being myself," that I was a bad person for having the kind of personality I have.
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I think it's fucked up that women are made to feel like it's in any way their fault. By the way they dressed or acted or something they said or whatever. I remember Sophie saying things like that after it happened to her, it makes me feel sick to think about it. That not only are they doing that to them, but they're putting them through even more shit afterwards, by making them believe things like that.
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I think it's cultural conditioning for women to feel that way. It wasn't anything that guy said or did to me specifically that put that in my mind. I just assumed it because of all I'd been taught about guys not having good self-control. I didn't feel like I deserved it or that I asked for it consciously. I just felt like I fucked up and it was my fault, even though he had me afraid for my life. I was seriously glad to have gotten out alive at the time. I was imagining the worst, that he was going to kill me and how much that would hurt the people who cared about me.
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It gets rid of them though, so we don't have to pay to keep them alive. Child abusers, rapists, murderers - some of these should just be executed if proven guilty
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SthbQdrxeLw
The Norwegian Peter Mackenzie.
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That guy is beyond annoying he's painful to listen to or even look at
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Looks like he's speeding, too. Look at his eyes.
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Truly, we were separated at birth.
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Do you talk that fast, Peter?
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Do you talk that fast, Peter?
No, I'm usually very mellow and talk slowly.
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It's hard for me to regulate the pace at which I speak. If I don't know someone well, I talk really slowly and ramble. If it's someone I know well, I talk so fast I sound cartoonish. It's embarrassing.
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Anyway, Pete, do you agree with the guy, or do you find that he's talking shit -- like me?
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Anyway, Pete, do you agree with the guy, or do you find that he's talking shit -- like me?
I agree with some of what he says. To me, we're all just biological machines that operate deterministically to at least a large degree, but we're also complex chaotic systems, so accurate long term predictions of our behaviour are difficult. We're like the weather; it all comes down to the physics of molecules in the air, but the system is sufficiently complex that predictions of future behaviour are vague at best, and subject to error. As to the criminal justice element of the video, I think he's right; criminality is a product of circumstance, both internal and external, and many criminals do indeed have cognitive dysfunctions which, if they could be repaired, would greatly reduce their risk of reoffending.
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I don't think many women report men after they're raped.
I remember reading that it's estimated at about one in three.
But, I suspect it's gone up - the stigma was worse, before.