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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: Calandale on February 11, 2008, 04:17:56 AM
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Between RL and the internets?
I started wondering, when I saw Vodzy's
question. My social life, my love life, and now
my career, are all centered around the net.
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There is a difference between WoW and real life.
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Even if you're working as a sellsword?
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I don't play WoW. Over my head.
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rl has better graphix
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You obviously haven't played Half Life 2.
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Internet is easier for me than IRL.
I can be myself without worrying as much about screwing up because of my stupid AS and anxiety. I doubt I would have met friends IRL like I have online. Actually, I've managed to make some friends IRL before, but maintaining friendships is always a problem with me. Always seems to involve things I can't keep up with. Social stuff which is complicated by AS/SAD. Other than that it's easier for me, I don't see any difference. If I have a friend who I met online, I still care about them as much as I would IRL. It annoys me that people don't understand that. That's partly why I don't talk to people about Starbuline except online. They wouldn't appreciate it as much, and she deserves more than just being some random person off the internet.
I don't have a job. But relationships and friendships are only online for me. maybe that's sad (actually yes, it probably is in my case), but at least it means I still had them. I'd rather have someone online who loves me than a "friend" IRL who just uses me for lifts home or online invites me to places with them when no one else is there. Which is basically all I get offline.
I am more honest online though. People who get to know me online know me better than people I meet IRL, as I am myself with them and don't feel the need to hold things back as much. The internet is like RL for me, but without all the difficult and confusing stuff. Well, less of it anyway.
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Fuck RL is a tough gig. I desperately try to fit in, mask anything autistic, fudge, bumble and play my way through.
Internet I just do my own thing.
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I desperately try to fit in IRL as well
I fuck it up every time though
People rarely talked to me in uni
But when they did I'd mess it up
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That looks like a calandale post :orly:
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I've had friends IRL and OL, and there
is a definite difference for me. Not just
the obvious, of physical contact, but
being able to go and do things together.
Motion while interacting.
Maybe someday, the internet will be
powerful enough to actually allow that.
Not now.
That looks like a calandale post :orly:
Prepare for assimilation.
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Physically being near them doesn't change anything for me, except in certain situations. But 90% of the time, it's a million times better, so the fact that I can't sit next to them is made up for by that. I regret that I didn't go to California, but I would choose one friendsip with Sophie than any number of RL friends
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People actually listen to me online as well
Even the crap I come out with on here and zomg
Whereas IRL I just get ignored
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I find RL more enjoyable, but i'm still addicted to the net :thumbdn:
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People actually listen to me online as well
Even the crap I come out with on here and zomg
Whereas IRL I just get ignored
You think that might have something to
do with the TYPE of people? :zoinks:
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People actually listen to me online as well
Even the crap I come out with on here and zomg
Whereas IRL I just get ignored
You think that might have something to
do with the TYPE of people? :zoinks:
Maybe
But it still stands that I might people online who I can get on well with. And who have similar interests and problems, and understand me better. Everyone I meet IRL seems to be the opposite. How many Starbulines are there in Manchester? Zero.
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Oops
I meet people. Not I might people. Can't be arsed editing
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Between RL and the internets?
I started wondering, when I saw Vodzy's
question. My social life, my love life, and now
my career, are all centered around the net.
yes there is. but only if you have a life away from the computer.
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The internet is definitely not the same as real life in terms of human interaction.
Even communication over telephone can be a poor simulator.
Internets = RL Sim, therefore there is a difference.
QED.
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The internet is definitely not the same as real life in terms of human interaction.
Even communication over telephone can be a poor simulator.
Internets = RL Sim, therefore there is a difference.
QED.
A lot of people found happiness through meeting people from the internet, though. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's less valid.
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The internet is definitely not the same as real life in terms of human interaction.
Even communication over telephone can be a poor simulator.
Internets = RL Sim, therefore there is a difference.
QED.
A lot of people found happiness through meeting people from the internet, though.
If people think that way, then they shouldn't bother using MySpace, MSN, etc.
True, it can facilitate RL interactions, but it is not a substitute.
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The internet is definitely not the same as real life in terms of human interaction.
Even communication over telephone can be a poor simulator.
Internets = RL Sim, therefore there is a difference.
QED.
A lot of people found happiness through meeting people from the internet, though.
If people think that way, then they shouldn't bother using MySpace, MSN, etc.
True, it can facilitate RL interactions, but it is not a substitute.
Then why are you wasting your time on the internet for? :P
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The internet is definitely not the same as real life in terms of human interaction.
Even communication over telephone can be a poor simulator.
Internets = RL Sim, therefore there is a difference.
QED.
A lot of people found happiness through meeting people from the internet, though.
If people think that way, then they shouldn't bother using MySpace, MSN, etc.
True, it can facilitate RL interactions, but it is not a substitute.
Then why are you wasting your time on the internet for? :P
I'm stalking you, Ryan.
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The internet is definitely not the same as real life in terms of human interaction.
Even communication over telephone can be a poor simulator.
Internets = RL Sim, therefore there is a difference.
QED.
A lot of people found happiness through meeting people from the internet, though.
If people think that way, then they shouldn't bother using MySpace, MSN, etc.
True, it can facilitate RL interactions, but it is not a substitute.
Then why are you wasting your time on the internet for? :P
I'm stalking you, Ryan.
You're not trying hard enough.
Anyhow, people seem to assume that there is one absolute way of communicating and developing relationships -- there isn't.
To those who wish to impose their close-minded views onto the likes of me can kiss my hairy arse. :thumbup:
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I care more about some people I've only known online than I do about anyone I've known IRL (except my family)
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im defintly more popular, have more friends and can do more on the internet than real life. is there is a difference?, the online world is better for me than irl :laugh:
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Between RL and the internets?
I started wondering, when I saw Vodzy's
question. My social life, my love life, and now
my career, are all centered around the net.
yes there is. but only if you have a life away from the computer.
Just look at how weak the interface is, currently.
Now, good VR is not far away. I can see holodeck type
crap being possible in my lifetime. Yet, even with what
we have now, people are absolutely addicted.
The real kicker is if it gets more real, than real life.
In terms of developing new senses, linked directly
in - not just stimulating the current ones. It could
well happen that so called real life becomes nothing.
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it will become nothing if people stop procreating.
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Not necessarily. But, that's another issue.
Could always be built into the program.
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Between RL and the internets?
No.
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Between RL and the internets?
No.
Seems a bit extreme. Care to
elaborate?
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It's just that most of this particular debate is predictable. So I figured I'd cut to the chase.
When people ask this question, they usually mean "Are my internet relationships less valuable than my IRL ones?" or "Is the internet a simulation of real life, rather than a part of real life?" My answer to both is no.
Of course there are superficial differences between online and offline communication, the same way there are differences between holding a conversation in person, over radio waves, via letters, over a phone, etc. But my intent is to circumvent the value judgements people put on them, and the real-vs-fake straw man.
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
Yes. I'm getting a little sick of all the meanness, especially when it affects people I care about.
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
Don't worry. I'm this way, IRL too. :zoinks:
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My ex played WOW or was it Diablo, who cares, well he play on the computer all day long and never get off except for when he went to bed, ate and went to the bathroom. Never did anything else.
I think there is a difference between real life and online. People pretend all the time online vs they can't pretend in real life to be another age like a 45 year old can't pretend to be a 13 year old because it be obvious he isn't 13 but people online wouldn't know it if he did it online.
Also you can go to places and travel, while on the internet, you're just sitting and browsing the websites and forums and you don't know who anyone is meaning you don't know what they look like after seeing them for the first time until they show a picture of them.
I do better online vs real life because if it weren't for the internet I would have never gotten any boyfriends, maybe get the job I have now because I saw the add on craigslist, never in the newspaper, find the aspie gathering here and the AB/DL. Unfortunitly I can't go to the aspie gathering because it's always on the day I am working and it starts after I am at work.
Internet is a lot better but risky when you go meeting people in real life you met online. It's the same as in real life, you can meet a real nice guy at a bar and it turns out he isn't the guy you thought he was because he rapes you after going on a few dates.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BE1YqDYlLo
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My ex played WOW or was it Diablo, who cares, well he play on the computer all day long and never get off except for when he went to bed, ate and went to the bathroom. Never did anything else.
Maybe if you'd pleasured him,
it would have helped him get off?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BE1YqDYlLo
Gods, don't those signs make you wanna punch the
people holding them? :laugh:
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My ex played WOW or was it Diablo, who cares, well he play on the computer all day long and never get off except for when he went to bed, ate and went to the bathroom. Never did anything else.
Maybe if you'd pleasured him,
it would have helped him get off?
No he took me for granted. I was his meal ticket and he wanted a mommy instead of a girlfriend because he was like a big kid instead of an adult.
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Better meal ticket than meal worm.
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
What I'm trying to get at is that you can't predict the way a person acts in real life compared to how they act on the web,
= Difference.
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The first question I asked Peaguy was,
"Do you see a distinction [=difference] between your persona IRL and on the internets?"
If you can answer this question "yes", then there is a difference between the internet and RL.
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
That's a good point, Tesla.
:plus:
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
What I'm trying to get at is that you can't predict the way a person acts in real life compared to how they act on the web,
= Difference.
I tend to. Haven't really seen a reason to think
otherwise, other than claims by those who say
that they are somehow better, IRL.
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
I agree
What annoys me even more, is the people who disagree with that, claim people online aren't "real people" and that I should stop overreacting to things online, then go and do the exact same thing themselves. Fucking hypocrites. Oh and then accuse OTHER people of being hypocrites
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Thing is, you're dealing with someone who's not sane.
I think that's pretty obvious.
If I were a caring person, I'd say that I hope he
gets the help he needs. As it is, I just hope they
lock his ass up, and drug him into the mindless
zombie servant of the FRANKENSTEIN COMPUTER
GOD that he needs to become.
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I don't understand what kind of fuck-up is going on inside his head, that lets him justify this to himself and actually believe he is right. What I was dealing with in November is completely different to what happened to him. Actually, wtf DID happen to him? no one did anything to him except disagree with him and not give in to his stupid demands. He's a fucking idiot.
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I would have hoped he got help if he hadn't brought Starbuline into it
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The thing is, one doesn't necessarily have
to be dealing with anything, in order to
crack.
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Yeah, but I had a reason for going mad. And I wasn't harming anyone in doing it (no one that deserved whatever I said to them anyway). And he STILL criticised me for that, while pretending to be my friend.
Yet now he's overreacting to nothing at all. And he's acting a million times worse than I did.
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He's not sane. That simple.
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I don't understand what kind of fuck-up is going on inside his head, that lets him justify this to himself and actually believe he is right. What I was dealing with in November is completely different to what happened to him. Actually, wtf DID happen to him? no one did anything to him except disagree with him and not give in to his stupid demands. He's a fucking idiot.
Is that why he is spamming your forum? Just because people disagreed with him?
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Looks more like it's because he got his ass pwnd
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I don't understand what kind of fuck-up is going on inside his head, that lets him justify this to himself and actually believe he is right. What I was dealing with in November is completely different to what happened to him. Actually, wtf DID happen to him? no one did anything to him except disagree with him and not give in to his stupid demands. He's a fucking idiot.
Is that why he is spamming your forum? Just because people disagreed with him?
That's the only reason I can think of
He didn't like shadexiii and kosmo so wanted me to de-admin them, but I didn't. So then he got pissed off with me and went off msn. Now he hates us lol
Also just because he's a fucking nutcase
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That looks like a calandale post :orly:
Prepare for assimilation.
:borg:
I find the internet easier than real life. I haven't gone nuts/crazy/mental/wacko on the internet. It is real life that has sent me there.
Because I write more on the internet, I have gotten heaps better at communicating this way.
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I go nuts/crazy/mental/wacko on here all the time :P
RL makes me depressed more though in general, and I'd rather be mad than depressed, so I prefer online
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It annoys me when people think they're safe to be mean behind the internet... being an asshole on the internet is the same as being an asshole in real life. You just can't see the person you're being an asshole to, and therefore they feel OK about it. That's wrong. People on the net are still people, and it IS the real world.
I agree
What annoys me even more, is the people who disagree with that, claim people online aren't "real people" and that I should stop overreacting to things online, then go and do the exact same thing themselves. Fucking hypocrites. Oh and then accuse OTHER people of being hypocrites
If you're talking about Flake, he's a fucking nutcase. I hope the police or whatever will sort him out.
I had a "friend" online who was highly sceptical of forming relationships with people on the internet. However, I was unaware of her stance at the time while I was trying to get to know her after a few months.
She should've said so in the beginning rather than expect me to figure it out for myself. Saves a lot of unwanted hurt that way.
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:indeed:
I've always had a bit of skepticism about the
idea. And I state that upfront. Along with
worries, along the way.
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:indeed:
I've always had a bit of skepticism about the
idea. And I state that upfront. Along with
worries, along the way.
I've met Vivi and Benoit from the internet in person, and it turned out all right.
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I hope I can be so lucky.
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:indeed:
I've always had a bit of skepticism about the
idea. And I state that upfront. Along with
worries, along the way.
I've met Vivi and Benoit from the internet in person, and it turned out all right.
I watched the Superbowl with a guy and his wife that I met from playing FFXI a few years ago. They have 4 kids haha. They are really good people. I was a little paranoid when I initially agreed to meet him and his other friend. We hung out at a local sports bar and found out how similar we are in regards to our online personas. I wasn't that similar because in FFXI I am more infamous lol. I was a polarizing figure, with people quoting me in their signatures on forums I am banned from still to this day. He was very relieved as to how laid back I am in person, he thought I would be much more in your face like I was in game.
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Yeah, I've met a handful of people off
WP, since I've been here. Nearly became
friends with a couple of them. Hung out,
and chatted.
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Meeting people from the internet is ok. Meet at some neutral public place and just hang out. I know I met those two guys from my LS in FFXI at a sports bar/restaurant, and the other 2 girls I met from FFXI at Dave and Busters (arcade games + booze = win).
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people aren't as annoying irl
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rl has better graphix
:plus: Hilarious.
I think they are the same for me - however I'm more protective about my personal information for obvious reasons. The positive about meeting people IRL is that you get the mannerisms and interaction that you don't get online....ie; the graphix are better!
However, there are people who find it easier to hide behind the internet and would never have the balls to say or do the things they carry on with online. I also think it's easier for people to play high and mighty online, when really their life is a mess.
At the end of the day, it's probably the same. Lots of people pretend to be something they are not IRL anyway.
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Is it possible that the IRL meeting gives more of a false impression than the internet?
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you can't punch people in the face when they deserve it online
that;s a big problem i think
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Is it possible that the IRL meeting gives more of a false impression than the internet?
Without a doubt. ;D
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I say some of the same shit I say on the net, in person and it will get me a negative reaction. People are often shocked at what I say IRL. They usually laugh though, as it is usually obvious I am joking and sarcastic (especially when I ape the insults of others). I don't know anyone who actually dislikes me in real life, they just think I am extremely shy. I will fight back when people talk shit about me online and even moreso in person. My life is far from perfect, but it would be a stretch to call it a mess or anything. I want everything on the net to be faster paced, that is why I like chat more than posting on forums. I PM people fairly quickly and can keep up more than one conversation.
I meet judgemental people all the time, they just don't always let you know it up front. I get false impressions from the net and in real life actually. The net isn't realistic because I want to be more extreme there. It wouldn't be as fun if it weren't like that to a degree. Maybe I play too many videogames and have a secret love of roleplaying.
Someone from FFXI forums would associate me with Eternus, which is a purposefully cartoonish character and not really close to who I really am in person. I can be argumentative and opinionated at times, but it isn't mean and confrontational like I am on those boards. I just interject facts every once in a while into other people's arguments. I rarely talk about things other than video games, music and weed with my friends lol. Only one of my accounts on NFL boards has any RL info on me, and that is where I have sat in the stands at every game for the last 10 years to see the Jaguars lol. The others are troll accounts for the purpose of starting shit.
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Is it possible that the IRL meeting gives more of a false impression than the internet?
Absolutely!
There are far too many dimensions to keep up with IRL, when you first meet a strange person.
You are also more pressed upon to either assess them as full of shit or for real, a tedious task, indeed, when on the net you can easily discount them as full of shit, with little or no recourse.
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Is it possible that the IRL meeting gives more of a false impression than the internet?
Absolutely!
There are far too many dimensions to keep up with IRL, when you first meet a strange person.
You are also more pressed upon to either assess them as full of shit or for real, a tedious task, indeed, when on the net you can easily discount them as full of shit, with little or no recourse.
I do take my time more to get to know a person more fully IRL before I start to really see them as a piece of crap in my eyes. Still I can be civil with people online and in person that I don't like particularly.
The things you have to pay attention to IRL are too numerous compared to text. That is why I can only do one conversation at a time IRL somewhat effectively, but I can handle several online in IM.
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i think people focus too much on what you are rather than who you are aIRL
whereas online the main thing is what you write or how you act, which is who you are
that has helped me get to know people better and get friends
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Is it possible that the IRL meeting gives more of a false impression than the internet?
Absolutely!
There are far too many dimensions to keep up with IRL, when you first meet a strange person.
You are also more pressed upon to either assess them as full of shit or for real, a tedious task, indeed, when on the net you can easily discount them as full of shit, with little or no recourse.
I do take my time more to get to know a person more fully IRL before I start to really see them as a piece of crap in my eyes. Still I can be civil with people online and in person that I don't like particularly.
The things you have to pay attention to IRL are too numerous compared to text. That is why I can only do one conversation at a time IRL somewhat effectively, but I can handle several online in IM.
Are you saying that you deliberately disregard your first impression of new people you meet.
I certainly can't, because it is often less tainted. Sometimes it's wrong, but for reasons I had not seen from first inspection, usually.
I really try to give people my full measure of heed, but mostly they are offended by this. They don't want me looking so deeply into their souls most of the time, so I try hard to go with what they show. That's why it is so easy to recognise their bullshit. Bullshit rarely creates a functioning web of legitimacy.
I can't help but see breaches of parity or symmetry. That often offends as well.
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I pay attention the first impression, but a person can prove to be otherwise later on (has happened at least three times). Depends on how the person is around other people initially. I know that I take a while to open up in real life, and that might make people think something about me other than me being shy or having AS. A good portion of the time, a person is pretty close to the first impression they give. Bullshitters are annoying as hell. People who think they are so important like they are celebrities are fucking lame. There is a line to cross on personal info that is safe imo, but I like to go past it at times. I am pretty damn real here for the most part.
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Is it possible that the IRL meeting gives more of a false impression than the internet?
Not for me. My sense of taste is too good,
and I have no certainty that it works properly
at the distances involved in internet connections.
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you dont taste everyone
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my first impressions of people are shit half the time
i am going back to my black and white childish way of thinking:
there are good people, and there are bad people
the bad people will fuck you over repeatedly
and the good people will disappear
that is what you get
isn't it great
no
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my first impressions of people are shit half the time
i am going back to my black and white childish way of thinking:
there are good people, and there are bad people
the bad people will fuck you over repeatedly
and the good people will disappear
that is what you get
isn't it great
no
no
it isn't great
I'm sorry about that
the good don't always disappear
you just need to wait and see because it's true
sometimes life sucks, and sometimes it's the most amazing gift
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my first impressions of people are shit half the time
i am going back to my black and white childish way of thinking:
there are good people, and there are bad people
the bad people will fuck you over repeatedly
and the good people will disappear
that is what you get
isn't it great
no
no
it isn't great
I'm sorry about that
the good don't always disappear
you just need to wait and see because it's true
sometimes life sucks, and sometimes it's the most amazing gift
i think itm sucks permanently from now for forever
and i think everyone disappears in the end
only people that seem to hang around
are the liars and the bastards
and they are
happy
o<--<
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you dont taste everyone
Uhm...yeah, I pretty much do.
It's like smell, but definitely through
my mouth.
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smell and taste aren't interlinked so much that you can taste people just from being in the same room as them
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i cant smell someone unless i sniff them unless the stink
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my pills smell so bad that they taste bad
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smell and taste aren't interlinked so much that you can taste people just from being in the same room as them
You presume some interesting things about me.
I rather suspect that I can tell my body better than
you can.
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NO ONE can taste someone if theyre not right near them
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NO ONE can taste someone if theyre not right near them
I can taste flowers, trees, all sorts of shit
that people say they SMELL. I don't really
use my nose much.