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Title: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 26, 2007, 09:28:17 PM
Anybody else feel the where born into the wrong era?  I have always felt this way but have a hard time with when.  Generally I feel the early to mid nineteenth century is more my speed and others?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 26, 2007, 10:23:07 PM
i remember a thread about this on wp once

in a way i do, but thats probably because ive had a lifelong history obsession  :laugh:

in general i dont though, mainly because im atheist and transgendered, so i doubt id manage to fit in too well during most of the times i'd like   :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 26, 2007, 10:40:47 PM
I might have started it!  Been thinking a lot about it lately along with the desire to be a hermit
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 26, 2007, 11:24:45 PM
i did one of those online quiz things once about what animal i was in a past life - i was a hermit crab  :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Gluey on December 27, 2007, 02:13:30 AM
Musically I should be in the 60's. One problem. My other obsession that stands next to The Beatles is video games. So no. Don't send me to the 60's.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: GalileoAce on December 27, 2007, 02:36:39 AM
I'd like the future....
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 03:29:10 AM
Yeah. I belong in a feudal period.
I can't handle the freedom, and
lack of loyalty which exist today.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: renaeden on December 27, 2007, 03:59:03 AM
I'd like the future....
Same.
in general i dont though, mainly because im atheist and transgendered, so i doubt id manage to fit in too well during most of the times i'd like   :P
I don't recall you saying anything about the transgendered part before.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 05:09:49 AM
i was telling mom yesterday while watching Ballet Shoes how cool it would have been to live in those days... it was in the 30s or something, and life seemed so much simpler then... but i probably would have been chucked in the mental bin and given a lobotomy and electric shocks so i guess i'd have needed to be all normal and shit... :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 27, 2007, 08:02:40 AM
I'd like the future....
So would I.  Fuck the past.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 08:57:39 AM
I'd like the future but am afraid of what it my become if it was a place of individual rights and space to move about it might be good.  I think the Western Us before the mass movement of settlers would be nice lots of land and freedom
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 27, 2007, 09:05:39 AM
I should either have been born in a libertarian future where people could technologically modify themselves, particularly their minds, and ply the depths between the stars, or in pre-history, before the first twinklings of civilisation.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 09:07:17 AM
i always wanted to have been born as a cave child. a simple life before schools. i would lay with a wood bark ball and roam the forests. mom would make buffalo soup while i played.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 09:11:56 AM
I should either have been born in a libertarian future where people could technologically modify themselves, particularly their minds, and ply the depths between the stars, or in pre-history, before the first twinklings of civilisation.

That sounds good I'd go for that one
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 27, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
It makes me sad that there isn't any unclaimed land left.  I wish I could go forth and tame the land, but it's all been tamed already or at least is owned by someone.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Kosmonaut on December 27, 2007, 09:37:49 AM
I would like to be born thousands of years into the future, where i could download my conciousness into a computer,or maybe different bodies.
Or many thousands of years ago, in caveman times.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 09:46:02 AM
I would like to be born thousands of years into the future, where i could download my conciousness into a computer,or maybe different bodies.
Or many thousands of years ago, in caveman times.

These in between time can suck sometimes



Well this is a better response  than I anticipated in another form I was told I was an idiot and now was the time to be

It makes me sad that there isn't any unclaimed land left.  I wish I could go forth and tame the land, but it's all been tamed already or at least is owned by someone.
   

Me too :'( perhaps if we do indeed return in other lives things will be different and space will be open to us
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 09:49:15 AM
Well this is a better response  than I anticipated in another form I was told I was an idiot and now was the time to be

did your mama not tell you not to talk to idiots?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 09:50:25 AM
Well this is a better response  than I anticipated in another form I was told I was an idiot and now was the time to be

did your mama not tell you not to talk to idiots?

I don't always listen :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 09:50:40 AM
Same.
in general i dont though, mainly because im atheist and transgendered, so i doubt id manage to fit in too well during most of the times i'd like   :P
I don't recall you saying anything about the transgendered part before.
ive talked about it on wp before and zomg, but i dont do much anymore, too many tossers use it against me when they havent got anything better to insult me with, and my family dont know. so people tend to just assume im gay.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 09:51:54 AM
I would like to be born thousands of years into the future, where i could download my conciousness into a computer,or maybe different bodies.
i would like that too
i think about stuff like that sometimes, would be a lot better than this
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 09:55:02 AM
Same.
in general i dont though, mainly because im atheist and transgendered, so i doubt id manage to fit in too well during most of the times i'd like   :P
I don't recall you saying anything about the transgendered part before.
ive talked about it on wp before and zomg, but i dont do much anymore, too many tossers use it against me when they havent got anything better to insult me with, and my family dont know. so people tend to just assume im gay.

I started a thread like this on wp and was shot down rather quickly and they say we are mean
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: El on December 27, 2007, 09:57:01 AM
This time, this place, are what is right for me.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
Same.
in general i dont though, mainly because im atheist and transgendered, so i doubt id manage to fit in too well during most of the times i'd like   :P
I don't recall you saying anything about the transgendered part before.
ive talked about it on wp before and zomg, but i dont do much anymore, too many tossers use it against me when they havent got anything better to insult me with, and my family dont know. so people tend to just assume im gay.

I started a thread like this on wp and was shot down rather quickly and they say we are mean
wp like to think theyre a really great support site and help everyone and theyre nice to everyone and all this kinda crap, when actually it's just a load of sugar-coated shit. they (alex and his mods) do a good job of trying to poison everyone against the opposition (ie sites like this, mainly this one) early on, so most of the members there just assume this place is a lot worse than it is, without actually coming here to form their own opinion on it
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 10:09:19 AM
so people tend to just assume im gay.

I could make you so.  :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 10:13:08 AM
they (alex and his mods) do a good job of trying to poison everyone against the opposition (ie sites like this, mainly this one) early on, so most of the members there just assume this place is a lot worse than it is, without actually coming here to form their own opinion on it

The MOST ridiculous case is QM, who
shoots the site down, without having
even visited it. MrMark, long before he
made his known persona here, was claiming
how much good it did him to vent here, and
suggesting (in the mod forum) that we actually
direct the hard-cases this way (something I was
doing anyhow); Alex shot that idea down, claiming
that whatever temporary respite we might get, would
just be worsened by their association here. TM never had
much to say about it, even though he lurked here.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 10:15:54 AM
they (alex and his mods) do a good job of trying to poison everyone against the opposition (ie sites like this, mainly this one) early on, so most of the members there just assume this place is a lot worse than it is, without actually coming here to form their own opinion on it

The MOST ridiculous case is QM, who
shoots the site down, without having
even visited it.
he does that with zomg too, although i dont believe he hasnt been on there
i saw him automatically go to post about this site the other day when people said something negative about something entirely unrelated. like he just cant help himself. its like i was when i was going mad with my anti-alex thing in november (i am not as bad now), he is obsessive about it
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 10:19:01 AM
He has obsessive fears like that.
Same thing with atomika, really.
He seemed worried that he could
manage WORSE than the auto-spam
somehow, but couldn't give even a
hint of an example.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 10:20:04 AM
maybe its like his self-confessed homophobia  :laugh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 10:35:10 AM
I'd put that in there too - though,
I DO think he's worried that he's gay,
just from that.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 10:44:50 AM
what's really sad is someone who can't accept their orientation.

Same.
in general i dont though, mainly because im atheist and transgendered, so i doubt id manage to fit in too well during most of the times i'd like   :P
I don't recall you saying anything about the transgendered part before.
ive talked about it on wp before and zomg, but i dont do much anymore, too many tossers use it against me when they havent got anything better to insult me with, and my family dont know. so people tend to just assume im gay.

i'd like to hear about your transgenderism. i find it interesting. i think a lot of aspies are transgendered in some ways, but i dunno what you mean when you mean you are transgendered. you mean you're a boy in a girl's body? or maybe between genders?

i feel kind of nebulous about gender. i know i'm a girl and i enjoy girly things but i also enjoy boyish things and i wouldn't mind being a boy. i feel genderless a lot. i exist in my mind. when i exercise i feel more like a girl because i enjoy my girly body. :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 10:47:23 AM
in the future people won't be categorized by their genders. i kind of find it offensive we have to tick boxes that say we are girl or boy. what difference does it make? we are individuals and should not be shoved into boxes. they interfere with our growth. they mold us into boringness.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 10:56:33 AM
i hate that as well. its the thing thats fucked me up most in my life (apart from maybe depression and AS before it was diagnosed)

i feel neither really, but more male than female
i guess i feel male but not in a way that id want an operation or anything

i dont think it should be anyones business but mine (and i guess on my medical records) what sex i am. if i could, id remove it from all records of me. it pisses me off that i always have to fill in gender when signing up to something, or that i had to wear a different uniform to 50% of the people in my school, just because of a physical difference. i dont understand why other people cant see that thats wrong? its treating people differently and forcing people to act different just because of something they happen to be, or society says that they are. all it did was cause me a lot of confusion as a kid and a lot of depression as a teenager
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 10:58:02 AM
and a lot of guilt
and i dont see why people should be guilty of just being what they are, when theyre not doing anything wrong
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:04:48 AM
They must THINK that they're doing something
wrong.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 11:07:05 AM
i dont think im doing anything wrong, although i used to
now i just feel guilty because im not what other people want me to be
i dont think thats wrong though, but it still makes me feel shit
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:08:15 AM
Sure. You think that you should be what they
expect. Identifying that is important, I would
guess.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 11:09:56 AM
i dont think i should though anymore. i think i should just be myself as long as im not harming anyone. but it still doesnt stop me feeling guilty. i dunno what for though. maybe i just felt guilty so long that im just used to it now.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:11:45 AM
Maybe you think that you're harming them?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 11:12:49 AM
i dont know. i cant think how im harming anyone though. unless just because im not what they want
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:13:48 AM
Just that. I don't know.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 11:28:57 AM
i also feel guilty of not being what others want me to be. even though i deep down know it's not my fault. :( and i should be allowed to be who i am as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:30:07 AM
Everything one does or is,
hurts some.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 11:31:08 AM
who is hurt by my axie avatar?  :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: El on December 27, 2007, 11:32:26 AM
who is hurt by my axie avatar?  :P

Well, at first I had this horrible sick feeling that Lurker was back because it looks like his did, but other than that...   :zoinks:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:33:34 AM
See? Every action has unintended
consequences. Some bad.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
it's a sweet avatar. :)
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 11:36:54 AM
 :dankesh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:43:34 AM
Keeps me from doing anything,
at times.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 11:47:24 AM
my avatar?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
 :clap: :asthing:


Damned title reminds me of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKJ-lBOFYrQ

Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 27, 2007, 12:37:18 PM
It makes me sad that there isn't any unclaimed land left.  I wish I could go forth and tame the land, but it's all been tamed already or at least is owned by someone.
What the fuck is the purpose on going to untamed land if you are going to tame it?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 27, 2007, 12:39:21 PM
It makes me sad that there isn't any unclaimed land left.  I wish I could go forth and tame the land, but it's all been tamed already or at least is owned by someone.
What the fuck is the purpose on going to untamed land if you are going to tame it?

Same reason as playing Civilisation or Colonization; the process is the fun bit, even if the final result is boring.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
And to see and go places nobodies ever been
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 12:48:07 PM
i wanna go to the amazon
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 27, 2007, 12:51:28 PM
It makes me sad that there isn't any unclaimed land left.  I wish I could go forth and tame the land, but it's all been tamed already or at least is owned by someone.
What the fuck is the purpose on going to untamed land if you are going to tame it?

Same reason as playing Civilisation or Colonization; the process is the fun bit, even if the final result is boring.
It just seems selfish to me to gripe about taming land.  Maybe because I'm a naturalist, even though I can't reason why I am one.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 01:38:55 PM
in the future people won't be categorized by their genders. i kind of find it offensive we have to tick boxes that say we are girl or boy. what difference does it make? we are individuals and should not be shoved into boxes. they interfere with our growth. they mold us into boringness.
They will as long as they use their genetalia to reproduce lol.  Sperm comes from the male, eggs from the female.   Humans are animals, there are female and male counterparts for every other animal as well.   Societal conditioning has presented us with ways to culturally be a woman or man in whatever society we are living in.   There is a way to dress, act, talk, etc.  That is what puts people into boxes.   What you have as genitals defines your sex and gender, that much is science.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 01:45:41 PM
that's bullshit.
your sex is physical.
gender isn't.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 02:13:58 PM
that's bullshit.
your sex is physical.
gender isn't.
Gender ROLES are a construct of the human mind that is influenced by society.   The roles and things that go along with your gender are all social.   Naturally your gender is based on your sex.   Though in reality is all a illusion of the mind.   What is feminine and what is masculine is determined by society.   You reject the role of your gender in society and how it has been defined historically.

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Although gender is commonly used interchangeably with sex, within the social sciences it often refers to specifically social differences, known as gender roles in the biological sciences.
taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 02:15:38 PM
exactly. although it is commonly used interchangeably with sex, it isn't sex
gender is a social construct
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: ALLDAYGLOWRANDY on December 27, 2007, 02:31:46 PM
Parts, I think your disablity makes you feel self conscious.

All anyone can ask of you is to try your best in life, don't focus so much on what is wrong.

I think that is the orgin of this thread.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 02:42:40 PM
exactly.

there's a tribe in africa, or possibly in the mediterranean, where the males in the tribe reach a certain age they start behaving like women. they put on dresses. i saw it on tv but i think it was true. :laugh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 02:44:57 PM
exactly. although it is commonly used interchangeably with sex, it isn't sex
gender is a social construct
They are very intertwined throughout history.   The gender role is a social construct that tells you what your role in society should be.   Society gives genders roles that are clearly defines, those roles are the constructs.   Beyond that grammatical gender is a language thing related to sex directly.    You don't refer to a male chimpanzee as a "she".   Since Chimps don't have clothes, music or anything else to base their roles on, they just go by function more than behaviour.  They don't deviate from their roles really.   Bonobos do have homosexual encounters, however.   Their males still act like males and such.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 02:48:12 PM
exactly.

there's a tribe in africa, or possibly in the mediterranean, where the males in the tribe reach a certain age they start behaving like women. they put on dresses. i saw it on tv but i think it was true. :laugh:
Most tribal societies just cover their genitals or are naked.   The women normally have exposed breasts because they do not wear shirts or any torso covering just like men.   The Indians or Native Americans did have tribes where women wore dresses, though I have not read anything with men wearing dresses.   Dresses aren't that common in tribal societies.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 02:50:20 PM
they wore dresses made for women. they also wore jewerly and make up i think. they might have been hawaiian dresses though.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 02:54:34 PM
they wore dresses made for women. they also wore jewerly and make up i think. they might have been hawaiian dresses though.
Dresses themselves are social constructs.   Men wear kilts lol.  The whole attachment of gender/sex to clothing itself is funny.   Wear what is comfortable or what compliments you physically.  Otherwise it is pointless.   Jewelry is crap and so are ties, suits, dresses, etc.   Social constructs that say this and that are better.   You don't work any better because you are wearing a tie and suit, that is complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 02:54:48 PM
exactly. although it is commonly used interchangeably with sex, it isn't sex
gender is a social construct
They are very intertwined throughout history.   The gender role is a social construct that tells you what your role in society should be.   Society gives genders roles that are clearly defines, those roles are the constructs.   Beyond that grammatical gender is a language thing related to sex directly.    You don't refer to a male chimpanzee as a "she".   Since Chimps don't have clothes, music or anything else to base their roles on, they just go by function more than behaviour.  They don't deviate from their roles really.   Bonobos do have homosexual encounters, however.   Their males still act like males and such.
sexuality doesn't have anything to do with gender identity. and homosexuality occurs in plenty of other species, not just bonobos. gender roles aren't the only things that are socially constructed though. gender itself is. it's not just the "men are meant to act like this..." and "most girls are..." that are social constructs, it's gender identity itself. the fact that i'm transgendered isn't about me rejecting gender roles; it has nothing to do with how i act.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 03:02:45 PM
true dat.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 03:04:08 PM
they wore dresses made for women. they also wore jewerly and make up i think. they might have been hawaiian dresses though.
Dresses themselves are social constructs.   Men wear kilts lol.  The whole attachment of gender/sex to clothing itself is funny.   Wear what is comfortable or what compliments you physically.  Otherwise it is pointless.   Jewelry is crap and so are ties, suits, dresses, etc.   Social constructs that say this and that are better.   You don't work any better because you are wearing a tie and suit, that is complete bullshit.

nothing wrong with social constructs. there's something wrong with social constricts.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 03:07:55 PM
exactly. although it is commonly used interchangeably with sex, it isn't sex
gender is a social construct
They are very intertwined throughout history.   The gender role is a social construct that tells you what your role in society should be.   Society gives genders roles that are clearly defines, those roles are the constructs.   Beyond that grammatical gender is a language thing related to sex directly.    You don't refer to a male chimpanzee as a "she".   Since Chimps don't have clothes, music or anything else to base their roles on, they just go by function more than behaviour.  They don't deviate from their roles really.   Bonobos do have homosexual encounters, however.   Their males still act like males and such.
sexuality doesn't have anything to do with gender identity. and homosexuality occurs in plenty of other species, not just bonobos. gender roles aren't the only things that are socially constructed though. gender itself is. it's not just the "men are meant to act like this..." and "most girls are..." that are social constructs, it's gender identity itself. the fact that i'm transgendered isn't about me rejecting gender roles; it has nothing to do with how i act.
Sexuality has to do with whether you procreate or not.   If you are doing your role sexually, then you are usually doing the same role as your naturally assigned gender.   Bonobos are the only apes that are homosexual.   We are apes, more related to Chimpanzees than any other animal.   The only women I see that look truly masculine are those that lift weights all the time and are probably on steroids.   I know guys however that have to put forth a shitload of work to look adrogynous.  

Bonobos stay within their gender roles, despite being homosexual.   That would be me saying that their sexuality has nothing to do with gender identity.  If they had male Bonbobos who act like females, then I would understand better.   The only way they act role wise is how they hunt, gather food and care for infants.

It does have to do with how you act.   Females are supposed to react certain ways to things and so are males as far as roles go.   Men are on average bigger than women for a reason (apes and humans same thing).
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 03:11:58 PM
but gender itself is not how you act. gender roles are, yes. but not gender itself. a man is still a man regardless of how masculine he seems or behaves.

for example, you could have a transvestite who is physically male but rejects his gender role by wearing women's clothing etc. maybe he is gay as well and maybe very feminine. but he still identifies as male and is still a man. he rejects his gender role and doesn't 'act like a man' but he is not transgendered.

likewise, i don't identify as female, but whether people view me as feminine (physically or personality) has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 03:13:09 PM
Females are supposed to react certain ways to things and so are males as far as roles go.

exactly. that is gender roles. not gender itself

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   Men are on average bigger than women for a reason (apes and humans same thing).

and that is sex. not gender
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 03:19:53 PM
The fact that mostly men listen to the type of music I listen to does not make me masculine or a man.  Neither does the way I dress.  The way I smell, look (without clothes on especially), talk, etc. are what makes me masculine.   That and the fact that I am actually a man.   What kind of job I work at and/or my interests do not define my gender.   What kind of job I do does effect my role in society though.   Gender role wise, women aren't usually Gladiators in ancient Rome for example.  That doesn't mean that they couldn't have been, just that it didn't happen. You can dress a guy up in a dress and makeup, and he will still have to change his voice and almost everything else about him to truly appear like society's construct of a female.   Clothes don't really make the man.

Women do have certain things that make them naturally more capable as mothers.   That is just the way it is, though some men try really hard.  

You think that your clothes, interests, etc.  define your gender? 
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 03:21:58 PM
Men are on average bigger than women for a reason (apes and humans same thing).

and that is sex. not gender
[/quote]Them being bigger on average is why they have their gender role.   They are related.  It is just a part of why female and male humans have evolved the way that they have in society.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 03:23:10 PM
voluntary gender roles are ok.

wearing a dress is usually something females do, men who wear dresses are getting in touch with their feminine side.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 03:30:04 PM
You think that your clothes, interests, etc.  define your gender? 
not at all
i wear guys clothes generally but that doesn't make me masculine, no
and my interests definitely don't either, although mostly men seem to listen to the music i listen to as well
i'm not saying either of those things affect my gender though
sex is in your pants, gender is in your head
i've 'known' i wasn't a girl as long as i can remember
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Alex179 on December 27, 2007, 04:00:25 PM
What made it 'known' to you that you were transgendered?   What are the main factors that you used to determine that you knew this?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Soph on December 27, 2007, 04:02:03 PM
well when i was a kid i didn't even know what being transgendered meant, so i didn't "know" in that sense. but i mean i felt i should have been a boy, wore boys clothes, pretended to be boys when i played games with other kids. there were a lot of things i did that i can see were because of this now.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 05:35:10 PM
And to see and go places nobodies ever been

And ruin them.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 05:38:30 PM

Gender ROLES are a construct of the human mind that is influenced by society.   The roles and things that go along with your gender are all social.   Naturally your gender is based on your sex.   Though in reality is all a illusion of the mind.   What is feminine and what is masculine is determined by society.   You reject the role of your gender in society and how it has been defined historically.


I agree. People stole the meaning of gender,
for something it's NOT. Indeed, there WAS a
distinction between sex and gender (having to
do with the fact that someone could be male,
even without the correct genitalia), but it was
purely physical. Thus, asking someone their sex,
with only m/f was a mistake.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 06:10:04 PM
the problem is in language.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 06:12:44 PM
And people's unwillingness to
say what they mean.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
meaning? :toporly:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 06:14:31 PM
I'm not willing to say.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 27, 2007, 06:15:54 PM
i have a problem with that. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 27, 2007, 06:18:04 PM
Hope you work it out, then.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 27, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
And people's unwillingness to
say what they mean.

This has plagued me for ages and is one of the things that start arguments between me and my wife
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: renaeden on December 27, 2007, 11:25:55 PM
I think guy's clothes are heaps more comfortable. I haven't worn a skirt in years.

I myself have never felt girly.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: GalileoAce on December 28, 2007, 12:10:44 AM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: duncvis on December 28, 2007, 03:25:20 AM
pass the brain bleach... I got a mental image :LMAO:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: GalileoAce on December 28, 2007, 03:36:07 AM
pass the brain bleach... I got a mental image :LMAO:

Mmm..That gives me an idea for the Photo thread :P
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 04:53:46 AM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

Fuck it. Wear them at home.

That'swhat I did.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Callaway on December 28, 2007, 05:51:14 AM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: GalileoAce on December 28, 2007, 08:01:55 AM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: El on December 28, 2007, 09:27:36 AM
pass the brain bleach... I got a mental image :LMAO:

Thanks, asshole, now I've got the image as well.   :lol:  Plusses to both of you's.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 02:27:57 PM


Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

A long skirt seems to be the way to
go. That's all I've seen guys around
here wearing (well, kilts too).
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 28, 2007, 02:45:01 PM
There was a Deadhead at my collage that wore skirts nobody ever bugged him maybe  because he sold the best pot :green:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 03:09:42 PM
Wow. Back then, I NEVER saw guys in skirts.
I'd guess there might have been some, in the
whole flower child era though.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 28, 2007, 04:20:47 PM
they all wore dresses.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 04:22:46 PM
And ate leems
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 28, 2007, 04:59:11 PM
I like the idea of looking pretty for someone, not all the time, just on some occasions.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 04:59:59 PM
I like looking pretty,
for myself. It's a kick
when someone else
enjoys, but mainly it's
for me.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 28, 2007, 06:03:21 PM
i like looking pretty for myself. :) i hide from others.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 06:17:28 PM
You should post pics of yourself
looking pretty, for us.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 28, 2007, 06:56:12 PM
You should post pics of yourself
looking pretty, for us.
Well, I did dress up in drag in a high school play.  (I'm the on in the back.)

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Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 07:01:00 PM
Nice wig.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 28, 2007, 07:02:27 PM
We got our dresses in a vintage store.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 07:03:33 PM
A couple of friends of mine
(long past) got their birthday
suits at one. :laugh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 28, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
i love the wig. also, cute face.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 28, 2007, 07:18:17 PM
I was much skinnier back then :zoinks:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 28, 2007, 07:21:42 PM
ohnoes. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2007, 07:22:15 PM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

What don't you like about kilts?

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Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 07:22:59 PM
 :plus:

Damn that's hot.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Dexter Morgan on December 28, 2007, 07:27:24 PM
ohnoes. :zoinks:
I was way too skinny, now I am about normal size, at least for an American. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 28, 2007, 07:35:34 PM
you can never be too skinny. :)

:plus:

Damn that's hot.

 :agreed:  :green:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on December 28, 2007, 07:37:52 PM
you can never be too skinny. :)

:plus:

Damn that's hot.

 :agreed:  :green:

I don't go for guy but you do look good in it :clap:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 28, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
no wonder the girls just fuck you even if they're not interested, Pete. if you go out looking like that. rowr.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 07:57:06 PM
Just watch out for king's men.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: GalileoAce on December 28, 2007, 08:15:51 PM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

What don't you like about kilts?

Many things, the colors, the material. That "spurin"?(did I spell it right?)
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
Just watch out for king's men.

In case they want to swordfight with me?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2007, 08:27:47 PM
no wonder the girls just fuck you even if they're not interested, Pete. if you go out looking like that. rowr.

It's so hard being a fuck-magnet.  :(
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2007, 08:37:23 PM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

What don't you like about kilts?

Many things, the colors, the material. That "spurin"?(did I spell it right?)

Sporran.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 28, 2007, 11:33:34 PM
Just watch out for king's men.

In case they want to swordfight with me?

More likely to want to put a
bullet in you. Few had highland
honor.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Callaway on December 29, 2007, 02:12:41 AM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

What don't you like about kilts?

You do look nice in that kilt, Peter.

Is that a recent photo?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 29, 2007, 04:46:15 AM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

What don't you like about kilts?

You do look nice in that kilt, Peter.

Is that a recent photo?

It's from a few years ago, when I graduated from uni.  I've been scanning some old photos.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 29, 2007, 04:57:54 AM
Just watch out for king's men.

In case they want to swordfight with me?

More likely to want to put a
bullet in you. Few had highland
honor.

more likely to want to fuck you.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on December 29, 2007, 06:03:37 AM
Just watch out for king's men.

In case they want to swordfight with me?

More likely to want to put a
bullet in you. Few had highland
honor.

more likely to want to fuck you.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swordfight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjTODXbDcmw
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on December 29, 2007, 09:29:18 AM
Just watch out for king's men.

In case they want to swordfight with me?

More likely to want to put a
bullet in you. Few had highland
honor. desires.

fixed.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: SovaNu on December 29, 2007, 10:20:54 AM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: The_P on December 31, 2007, 02:49:19 PM
I like skirts. I wish I could wear (and do it right) girls clothes...But they'd look hideous on me. Oh wells. Maybe in my next life :P

You could wear a kilt, maybe.

Yeah, not a big fan of that...well that color? :P And the material? Ekk.
I once wore a full length skirt...can not recall what it was made from, but it was flow-y. Purple.

What don't you like about kilts?

Hello Lestat.  >:D
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 01, 2008, 02:50:16 PM
Has anyone here ever been in the SCA or done historical reenactments?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 01, 2008, 03:50:30 PM
A little.

Never went fully into it,
but did some stuff at fort
niagara.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 01, 2008, 06:00:45 PM
I did some too .  For awhile  I was in the SCA and went to a couple events but I don't mingle well
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 01, 2008, 07:05:44 PM
The SCA group in Buffalo bugged me.
I went to some events, but the people
were annoying.

There was a group in NJ, which I liked better.
An older crowd (though I got dragged there
by a MUCH younger thing - ah, I wish).

I didn't like people running around in garbage
barrels with wooden swords, particularly.

Need to find a chapter of the ARM.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 01, 2008, 07:18:56 PM
Some of the people were older where I went but a lot of them were very cliquey not a very welcoming feeling even for the social types which I am not.
I did blacksmithing at a local museum with my brother when I was younger a few times
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 01, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
I did a camp, where I did
tinsmithing (among other
trades). It would be fun
to work in something like
that though.

They had some tradesmen
at the fort in Toronto.
Niagara didn't. Just soldiers.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on January 03, 2008, 06:25:53 AM
You'd get tin poisoning and develop tinnitus.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 03, 2008, 06:37:42 AM
You'd get tin poisoning and develop tinnitus.

Tin isn't particularly poisonous more the problem would be the lead in the solder.  None of the earlier trades where really that safe most industrial work today is only safer because of the precautions taken and safety equipment
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 07:20:46 AM
Probably safer than working in a parking garage
or toll booth.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 03, 2008, 11:28:50 AM
Probably safer than working in a parking garage
or toll booth.

Bet the old timers had a high incidence of asbestoses related problems from the older brake pads and shoes not to mention the fumes
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 11:39:59 AM
Knew some old enough to have,
but they had taken that job too
recently.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 03, 2008, 11:55:49 AM
My wife's aunt had to retire form toll taking because of carpel tunnel I think she got off easy
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 12:27:02 PM
Heard her orgasming often?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on January 03, 2008, 01:05:34 PM
You'd get tin poisoning and develop tinnitus.

Tin isn't particularly poisonous more the problem would be the lead in the solder.  None of the earlier trades where really that safe most industrial work today is only safer because of the precautions taken and safety equipment

You could get tinnitus from lead poisoning too, but it wouldn't be a pun then.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 01:06:50 PM
You can get leaditus?
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on January 03, 2008, 01:07:48 PM
You can get leaditus?

Leaditus isn't a real condition, but tinnitus is, and incidentally can be caused by heavy metal poisoning.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 01:09:23 PM
Well, metal's gone downhill,
since the early 80's, so I'm
probably safe.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 03, 2008, 01:11:39 PM
With all the lead soldiers and stuff I made as a kid and the fact I remember playing with mercury with my bare hands I'm surprised I never got it
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 01:26:28 PM
I knew a minis gamer,
who's job was testing for
lead content. His numbers were
elevated, but no more so than
expected, for his job. He actually
gave testimony as to the safety of
lead figures. Still, they dropped the
legal content. The thing is, the companies
that made them, didn't really mind - they
could charge more anyhow.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Callaway on January 03, 2008, 01:31:54 PM
You can get leaditus?

Leaditus isn't a real condition, but tinnitus is, and incidentally can be caused by heavy metal poisoning.

I have tinnitus.  I hope I didn't get it from playing with mercury or lead.  I always assumed that it must have been the OD on aspirin when I was little.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Calandale on January 03, 2008, 01:35:33 PM
Mercury too? My wife's grandfather used
to bring it home for her to play with.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on January 03, 2008, 01:37:13 PM
You can get leaditus?

Leaditus isn't a real condition, but tinnitus is, and incidentally can be caused by heavy metal poisoning.

I have tinnitus.  I hope I didn't get it from playing with mercury or lead.  I always assumed that it must have been the OD on aspirin when I was little.

Tinnitus can be caused by all sorts of things; usually by listening to loud music or living or working in loud environments, but also as a response to heavy metals, SSRI's, blows to the head and lots of other things.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 03, 2008, 01:42:15 PM
I probably have about 100 pounds of lead and a few pounds of mercury in my basement
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Peter on January 03, 2008, 01:47:25 PM
I've got a few grams of mercury in my teeth.
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: Parts on January 03, 2008, 01:49:59 PM
I've got a few grams of mercury in my teeth.

I used to but over time they have been replaced with resin ones or crowns
Title: Re: Born in the wrong time
Post by: richard on January 07, 2008, 11:43:24 AM
Anybody else feel the where born into the wrong era?
oh absolutley