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Politics, Mature and taboo => AS Advocacy => ASD Related Links => Topic started by: RobertN on June 13, 2006, 04:26:57 PM

Title: AspieLeft
Post by: RobertN on June 13, 2006, 04:26:57 PM
The Comrade is re-opening Aspie Left should anyone wish to discuss anything on there.

http://aspieleft.proboards99.com/
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: RobertN on June 14, 2006, 05:39:46 AM
Just opened up a "Intensity Admin" debate. There are no secret forums on Aspie Left, so everyone can argue on an equal footing, or just have a general bitch about things.

WARNING: Try to keep it civil: blatantly obnoxious posts will be removed.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 14, 2006, 07:01:33 AM
Just opened up a "Intensity Admin" debate. There are no secret forums on Aspie Left, so everyone can argue on an equal footing, or just have a general bitch about things.

WARNING: Try to keep it civil: blatantly obnoxious posts will be removed.

I have to wonder why you think that people can't discuss it here.  There are a lot of accusations flying round at the moment and people need to just stop, listen to each other and try sort it out. 
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on June 14, 2006, 07:45:45 AM
I have to wonder why you think that people can't discuss it here.  There are a lot of accusations flying round at the moment and people need to just stop, listen to each other and try sort it out. 

It isn't as dramatic. This implies censorship and hidden agendas.

Now hand me the popcorn.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Callaway on June 14, 2006, 10:54:05 AM
There are a lot of accusations flying round at the moment and people need to just stop, listen to each other and try sort it out.?

Quoted for truth.

I thought this coup was all a 24 hour Administrator For A Day publicity stunt by Shima, but if McJagger, Eamonn and Omega Female all really want to leave now, we can't make them stay.

It's too bad, because I thought the three of them had unique synergy.  They agreed and disagreed so well together.  We will have a difficult time trying to replace them.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on June 14, 2006, 01:31:54 PM
Just opened up a "Intensity Admin" debate. There are no secret forums on Aspie Left, so everyone can argue on an equal footing, or just have a general bitch about things.

WARNING: Try to keep it civil: blatantly obnoxious posts will be removed.

I have to wonder why you think that people can't discuss it here.? There are a lot of accusations flying round at the moment and people need to just stop, listen to each other and try sort it out.?
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listening is hard to do, and sometimes the most prudent thing!


thank you Callaway for your comment.  i agree about our chemistry.  i also think that we need some fresh ideas.  Intensity was too much me.  i have nothing more to give.  i believe that the business approach might be the best for the next temporary amount of time.
which means: earn some revenue to advertise on other sites and get more members who can keep the generation of ideas (and fresh meat) constant and flowing.
i have done my part and pass the batan.  i cannot speak for omega and eamonn.  i truly admire both of them.  eamonn, being my perfect antithesis.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Eamonn on June 21, 2006, 11:23:07 AM
Here, your boards looking rather on the quiet side , Robert. I heard you had one member there who's on the spectrum but Aspie Left (Get it? Aspie left!) :laugh:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: peegai on June 21, 2006, 11:28:17 AM
Here, your boards looking rather on the quiet side , Robert. I heard you had one member there who's on the spectrum but Aspie Left (Get it? Aspie left!) :laugh:

LOL!

Oh god, that was a killer.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Kahless on April 21, 2007, 08:58:16 PM
It's high time for an AspieRight forum. Why does the left always seem to manipulate all forms of media more?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Callaway on April 21, 2007, 08:58:58 PM
It's high time for an AspieRight forum. Why does the left always seem to manipulate all forms of media more?

 :laugh:

Why don't you start one?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 21, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
It's high time for an AspieRight forum. Why does the left always seem to manipulate all forms of media more?

 :laugh:

Why don't you start one?

Does it cost a lot of money ??
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 21, 2007, 10:57:08 PM
From some of the boards that I've seen, I would guess that it can be done for free.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: duncvis on April 22, 2007, 04:25:15 AM
I'd make a suggestion, but you're the Enemy.  >:D boo! hiss! :arrr: :flame:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 05:08:37 AM
I'm rather used to enemies giving me suggestions.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: DirtDawg on April 22, 2007, 05:54:40 AM
It's high time for an AspieRight forum. Why does the left always seem to manipulate all forms of media more?

It's not just the left. Any use of absolutes is a bit too right for some, though. Everybody thinks they can benefit from the media - some even have creative ideas.


Oh, and you should certainly start an AspieRight or ASRight forum.

...or call it ASs-Write and lots of us will show up.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 22, 2007, 07:37:37 AM
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Why does the left always seem to manipulate all forms of media more?

hmm can't see a Socialist worker channel appearing on tv any time soon
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 22, 2007, 07:38:44 AM
I'd make a suggestion, but you're the Enemy.  >:D boo! hiss! :arrr: :flame:

Yes, but I'm an enemy that knows how to PARTY !!! :beergrin: :arrr: :party:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: duncvis on April 22, 2007, 07:45:06 AM
You're okay. You're a freedom loving libertarian (who knows his beer :beergrin: ). I seriously have as much trouble with the dogmatic, preachy, PC ridden, state-knows-best ethics from the left as I do with right wing apologists for greedy scum sucking corporations, inferfering moral guardians and 'bring back the empire and put the bloody darkies back in their place' bigots. I'm pro-freedom, pro the little guy and pro fairness, me. :soapbox:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 22, 2007, 07:45:42 AM
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Why does the left always seem to manipulate all forms of media more?

hmm can't see a Socialist worker channel appearing on tv any time soon

Swedish public TV? They hate the US and sympathize with the "Palestinians" when they bomb and shoot Israeli civilians. When the Israelis strike back, they're "violating" the terrorist's "human rights" etc.  ::)
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 07:47:33 AM
You're okay. You're a freedom loving libertarian (who knows his beer :beergrin: ). I seriously have as much trouble with the dogmatic, preachy, PC ridden, state-knows-best ethics from the left as I do with right wing apologists for greedy scum sucking corporations, inferfering moral guardians and 'bring back the empire and put the bloody darkies back in their place' bigots. I'm pro-freedom, pro the little guy and pro fairness, me. :soapbox:
fairness for you?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: duncvis on April 22, 2007, 07:50:52 AM
Learn to read, dyslexio.  :eyebrows:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 07:55:26 AM
Learn to read, dyslexio.  :eyebrows:
:finger:
am i the only one who enjoys that emoticon?

hey, are you discriminating against dyslexic twunts?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: duncvis on April 22, 2007, 07:58:45 AM
Would that be politically incorrect of me? I'm soooooo, soooooo, sorry.  :-*
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 08:00:54 AM
for greedy scum sucking corporations

I'm in favor of anything that'll suck my scum.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 08:01:09 AM
i am calling my local branch of the ACLU and speaking to someion in the dyslexic twunts department.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 22, 2007, 08:05:50 AM
i am calling my local branch of the ACLU and speaking to someion in the dyslexic twunts department.

That's cowardly. You should do it the true American way and take a plane over here and kill the Duncmeister instead.  ;)
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
no need for violence.

i'll just break his fingers. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 08:15:43 AM
i'll just break his fingers. :eyebrows:

What are you, a member of the Moniccan mafia?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 08:16:53 AM
i'll just break his fingers. :eyebrows:

What are you, a member of the Moniccan mafia?
i don't understand what Bill Clintons intern has to do with any of this.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 22, 2007, 08:17:42 AM
no need for violence.

i'll just break his fingers. :eyebrows:

That probably hurts a lot. I cut my fingertip with a very sharp knife two years ago, about 1 mm from the bone and the pain was incredible. It hurt 10 times more than a kick in the balls.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 08:18:41 AM
i don't understand what Bill Clintons intern has to do with any of this.

So THAT'S what you want fingers for?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 08:22:10 AM
i don't understand what Bill Clintons intern has to do with any of this.

So THAT'S what you want fingers for?
no.

that is why i smoke cigars.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 08:27:06 AM
But it doesn't count unless there's an even dozen.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 22, 2007, 08:34:26 AM
They hate the US and sympathize with the "Palestinians" when they bomb and shoot Israeli civilians. When the Israelis strike back, they're "violating" the terrorist's "human rights" etc.  ::)

playing devil's advocate here and simplifying things enormously but:
you could say when the "Israelis" bomb and shoot palestinian civilians and the palestinians strike back they're "violating" the ancient aliens "human rights" etc.

both think they should occupy the same land, both want the other out and bomb the fuck out of each other, neither is morally superior in my opinion. one is richer than the other so uses different tactics, one was settled there more recently then got shifted out, both get pissed off when one of their family gets killed by the other side and wants to retaliate.
you think there are no palestinian (arab/muslim/whatever) civilians? It's a shit complicated situation, the problem i have with the US govt position is casting one side as the bad guys. look at it from the palestinian perspective. I don't mean wanting wiping all jews off the face of the earth - that view is exaggerated imo, but getting what was your grandfather's land taken away and being shifted into crowded camps you'd get pretty pissed off.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 22, 2007, 08:42:01 AM
The Israelis have one country of their own, Israel. The Arabs have 22 countries. Most of those countries want to wipe Israel of the map. There are Arab civilians, of course, but why I oppose the names "Palestine" and "Palestinians" is that Palestina was a name made up by the Romans after driving most of the Jews out into the Diaspora. It comes from the word "Philistine", known from the Bible. There is no "Palestinian people", there are Arabs living in Israel, period.

The "occupied territories" were once Jewish tribal lands, before the Arabs ever set their foot there. When the Jews regained parts of their old land 1947, the Arab neighbour countries immediately attacked, but got their arses thoroughly kicked. They did it again and got their arses kicked again. So Israel has gained that land in justified defense wars. Tough shit, the Arabs should have left Israel alone in the first place.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 08:45:42 AM
The arabs were living there long before the resettlement though.
It's as though the Welsh were to demand France, because they
once lived there.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 22, 2007, 08:52:19 AM
cal - exactly. or if i discovered i had swedish blood and went over to sweden to kick a black guy out of his house to send him back to africa.

a lot of the "return to israel" was motivated by religious reasons as well - taking literally the "return to the promised land" described in the bible. There were plenty of other places they could have made a jewish state if they'd wanted one somewhere.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 08:54:46 AM
On the other hand, the same applies to the current Palestinians. They've been kicked out for a while.
It's just a hellish situation, which should never have been created. 
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 22, 2007, 09:01:33 AM
and even if the israelis had a legitimate claim to reclaim the land, you've still gotta expect people to be pissed off if they get shifted off land they've been on for generations.


what i don't understand is how this thing has become a right/left divide issue. i often hear some right wing american evangelicals complaining that "the jews control all our media" but then the same people will unquestionably support israel. it confuses me
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 22, 2007, 09:04:48 AM
and even if the israelis had a legitimate claim to reclaim the land, you've still gotta expect people to be pissed off if they get shifted off land they've been on for generations.


what i don't understand is how this thing has become a right/left divide issue. i often hear some right wing american evangelicals complaining that "the jews control all our media" but then the same people will unquestionably support israel. it confuses me

It's not that strange. They want a great Israel, so all Jews can move back there.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 09:05:50 AM
So that the apocalypse can come
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 09:10:18 AM
cal - exactly. or if i discovered i had swedish blood and went over to sweden to kick a black guy out of his house to send him back to africa.

a lot of the "return to israel" was motivated by religious reasons as well - taking literally the "return to the promised land" described in the bible. There were plenty of other places they could have made a jewish state if they'd wanted one somewhere.
like new yourk and hollywood?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 22, 2007, 11:14:59 AM
cal - exactly. or if i discovered i had swedish blood and went over to sweden to kick a black guy out of his house to send him back to africa.

a lot of the "return to israel" was motivated by religious reasons as well - taking literally the "return to the promised land" described in the bible. There were plenty of other places they could have made a jewish state if they'd wanted one somewhere.
like new yourk and hollywood?

More Jews livi in America than in Israel
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 22, 2007, 01:12:31 PM
You're okay. You're a freedom loving libertarian (who knows his beer :beergrin: ). I seriously have as much trouble with the dogmatic, preachy, PC ridden, state-knows-best ethics from the left as I do with right wing apologists for greedy scum sucking corporations, inferfering moral guardians and 'bring back the empire and put the bloody darkies back in their place' bigots. I'm pro-freedom, pro the little guy and pro fairness, me. :soapbox:

Which is why we all need guns to FIGHT THE POWER !!!   :tooledup: :litigious:

You pretty much summed it up, that's my basic political philosophy as well.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on April 22, 2007, 03:21:16 PM
The Israelis have one country of their own, Israel. The Arabs have 22 countries.

So the Arabs who have lived in what is now Israel for generations and generations should just move?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 22, 2007, 03:24:04 PM
The Israelis have one country of their own, Israel. The Arabs have 22 countries.

So the Arabs who have lived in what is now Israel for generations and generations should just move?
i think the israeli's should at least pay for their moving expenses.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 05:38:43 PM
They are more than willing to.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 22, 2007, 05:59:05 PM
They can probably afford it too. Fucking money grubbing jews ......  :hide:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 22, 2007, 06:07:48 PM
A hell of a lot cheaper than the effect of the attacks.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 08:38:02 AM
The Israelis have one country of their own, Israel. The Arabs have 22 countries.

So the Arabs who have lived in what is now Israel for generations and generations should just move?

Their former governments (of Jordan, Egypt and Syria) started the wars. They lost. Did all Germans who lived in the provinces ceded to Poland and Russia vote for Hitler? If not, shouldn't they have the right to regain their homes? Shouldn't the Poles get back the western parts of the Ukraine and Belarus? Should not your own Finnish brethren have the right to get back southern Karelia and other territories ceded to Russia? Why is it just these so called Palestinians that are pitied by half the world? I don't get it.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on April 23, 2007, 08:46:59 AM
The fact of the matter is that the Jews and the Arabs both live there. A "solution" that involves forcing one group out will not solve anything. It will kill a lot of people, however, most of them innocent.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 09:00:16 AM
I still don't get why they're more pitied than any other people. What's so fucking special with "Palestinians"? They shoot and blow up innocent civilian Israelis and cowardly hide among their own civilians, and then cynically blame Israel for firing on civilians. Why do that kind of people get any sympathy whatsoever?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on April 23, 2007, 11:05:47 AM
I still don't get why they're more pitied than any other people. What's so fucking special with "Palestinians"? They shoot and blow up innocent civilian Israelis and cowardly hide among their own civilians, and then cynically blame Israel for firing on civilians. Why do that kind of people get any sympathy whatsoever?

The shouldn't be more pitied than other people but they should receive the same treatment as the others. The Israelis aren't more innocent than the Palestinians but they have better support from the rest of the world (the US).
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 11:27:08 AM
I still don't get why they're more pitied than any other people. What's so fucking special with "Palestinians"? They shoot and blow up innocent civilian Israelis and cowardly hide among their own civilians, and then cynically blame Israel for firing on civilians. Why do that kind of people get any sympathy whatsoever?

The shouldn't be more pitied than other people but they should receive the same treatment as the others. The Israelis aren't more innocent than the Palestinians but they have better support from the rest of the world (the US).

I beg do differ. Israel usually follows the laws of war. How many Israeli civilians have blown up Palestinian civilians like the Palestinians do? I know about that Goldman guy or whatever his name was who shot in a mosque but he's one of very few Israeli terrorists. Swedish politicians and media almost always take the Arab side against Israel, even the so called "liberals" are beginning to be pro-Arab? Why?  ???
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 23, 2007, 01:33:56 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
*grabs handful of popcorn*

I don't think it's a case of being pro-Arab, but just not unquestioningly pro-Israel. although in the face of someone being pro-Israel it can seem like being pro-Arab
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 23, 2007, 02:06:34 PM

.....The Israelis aren't more innocent than the Palestinians.....

I missed the latest round of suicide bombings of Palestinians by Israelis.  ::)
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
 :agreed: :plus:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 02:34:49 PM
yeah because the israelis *never* bomb the shit out of arab civilians. they just have more money and bigger bombs that don't need to be strapped to someone
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 23, 2007, 02:44:10 PM
yeah because the israelis *never* bomb the shit out of arab civilians. they just have more money and bigger bombs that don't need to be strapped to someone

Then why don't the Arabs target the Israeli military exclusively ??

A person straped with bombs kills very specific targets.

Therefore Arabs have specificaly targeted Israeli civilians.

The majority of Israeli attacks that have killed civilians, were targeted at legitimate targets. The terrorists hide amongst the populace so their own people will get killed. Such bravery.....  :wanker:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 03:08:26 PM
I guess you're talking about hezbollah conflict here.
true that tactic is pretty cowardly and despicable. i wouldn't condone it, nor suicide bombing.
but you can't excuse israel's actions based on that.

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An "initial assessment" Amnesty International report on Israeli attacks on civilian infrastructure states that "the evidence strongly suggests that the extensive destruction of public works, power systems, civilian homes and industry was deliberate and an integral part of the military strategy, rather than "collateral damage" – incidental damage to civilians or civilian property resulting from targeting military objectives." UN Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland called Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and declared that the "horrific" leveling of "block after block" of buildings in Beirut "makes it a violation of humanitarian law."Mr Egeland added that one third of the Lebanese dead were children.Around 900,000 Lebanese were displaced during the fighting.



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Amnesty International published a report identifying evidence of the destruction of entire civilian neighbourhoods and villages by Israeli forces, attacks on bridges with no strategic value, and attacks on civilian infrastructure indispensable to the survival of the civilian population. It stated that "the widespread destruction of apartments, houses, electricity and water services, roads, bridges, factories and ports, in addition to several statements by Israeli officials, suggests a policy of punishing both the Lebanese government and the civilian population," and called for an international investigation of violations of international humanitarian law by both sides in the conflict.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeting_of_civilian_areas_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War#Targeting_by_Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeting_of_civilian_areas_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War#Targeting_by_Israel)

These are obviously just quotes from one source, but these kind of comdemnations of both sides seemed pretty widespread outside the US and Israel. why is that? if Israel is so morally superior shouldn't it try to rise above all the like for like recrimination and not sink to the same level of killing civilians?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 03:23:13 PM
The majority of Israeli attacks that have killed civilians, were targeted at legitimate targets. The terrorists hide amongst the populace so their own people will get killed. Such bravery.....  :wanker:

That fact alone makes it impossible for me to understand how anyone can sympathize with them.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 03:28:43 PM
you can sympathise with lebanese or palestinian civilians who aren't terrorists though can't you?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 03:29:04 PM
These are obviously just quotes from one source, but these kind of comdemnations of both sides seemed pretty widespread outside the US and Israel. why is that? if Israel is so morally superior shouldn't it try to rise above all the like for like recrimination and not sink to the same level of killing civilians?

How exactly should they do that? Should they sacrifice 10 or 20 Israeli lives to capture one single terrorist coward hiding among civilians? Because either way, they can't capture/kill them without violence of some kind.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 03:30:50 PM
you can sympathise with lebanese or palestinian civilians who aren't terrorists though can't you?


I have a very hard time sympathizing with those people at all. If they're not terrorists themselves they often silently sympathize with or protect terrorists. But if they condemn terrorism in their hearts I can sympathize with them.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
how do you define terrorism though?
what if they see israelis deliberately bombing civilian targets as terrorism?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Litigious on April 23, 2007, 03:46:49 PM
how do you define terrorism though?
what if they see israelis deliberately bombing civilian targets as terrorism?

Terrorism is, in general, warfare against the laws of war. If you're not a part of a regular army and want to be treated in accordance with the laws of war, you must act openly and show that you are a legal combattant.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 04:14:45 PM
so any war crime equals terrorism? this is easy then - if the allegations by these groups (not exactly fringe group pro arab lunatics) then israel is guilty of terrorism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Allegations_of_war_crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Allegations_of_war_crimes)

in fact Human Rights Watch has been criticised for being too soft on Israel.

and what do you make of stories like this?

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"We want a new government, one that is not Hamas or Fatah," she says. "A government that can secure our kids going to school, not one that keeps silent while our people are killed in front of our face!"


"I think the Palestinian woman feel, now, more seriously and worry about what's going on in our society. Now most of the women are not in parties," Ayesh says. "These women now go out of their homes asking to be part of stopping this violence inside our society."
...

One of the Hamas women there was a recently widowed 72-year-old named Fatma al Najar. Over tea in her barren, unheated apartment in the Jabaliya refugee camp, Fatma's daughter Fathiya al Najar describes the family's reaction when her mother returned home that night.

"She came back from Beit Hanoun and we said, 'Thank God you are safe.' And she replied, 'Safe, safe from what? My people are being killed. I wish I had been killed there.'"

A few days later, Fatma al Najar, who had more than 40 children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren combined, became the oldest Palestinian suicide bomber. She approached an Israeli military checkpoint and blew herself up with an explosives belt around her waist. Israel lists her as another Palestinian terrorist. Her family and friends call her a martyr.

"Of course I feel very sad," Fathiya al Najar says. "No one's mother can be replaced. But I'm also very proud of what she did. There are cowards here who are looking for peace and those people are not doing anything to stop the Israelis and their massacres. My mother martyred herself as a kind of gift to all the Palestinian prisoners and as an answer for those cowards looking for peace."

When told that her mother killed only herself that day, that the bombing lightly wounded two Israeli soldiers who've since returned to duty, al Najar shakes her head and denies it. Then, after a pause she says, "Nevertheless, I bet she scared those soldiers like hell. To see an old lady sacrifice herself for her people."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6725651 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6725651)
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on April 23, 2007, 04:21:51 PM
:popcorn:

I thought of joining the debate but spaghetto's doing just fine. He doesn't need my help.

It's interesting to observe, however, that whenever you're not pro-Israel, you are, in the minds of some, automatically pro-Palestine and you obviously if not openly support, then at least silently root for, suicide bombers and other media-friendly nutcases.

Now, popcorn's nice and all that but what I'd really like is a beer or three.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 23, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
cheers. can i have some of your popcorn then?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on April 23, 2007, 05:08:43 PM
 :green: Sure.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: ozymandias on April 23, 2007, 05:49:19 PM
If a left winger is anti-bush, Fuck-Israel, screw Saudi Arabia and RobertN is an ignoramus,. then I'm left wing.  Oh yes, I'm pro-gun control, definitely left wing and cowardly.   :finger:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 23, 2007, 06:49:49 PM
If a left winger is anti-bush, Fuck-Israel, screw Saudi Arabia and RobertN is an ignoramus,. then I'm left wing.  Oh yes, I'm pro-gun control, definitely left wing and cowardly.   :finger:
that's it.  now it's personal.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on April 23, 2007, 07:06:46 PM
If a left winger is anti-bush, Fuck-Israel, screw Saudi Arabia and RobertN is an ignoramus,. then I'm left wing.  Oh yes, I'm pro-gun control, definitely left wing and cowardly.   :finger:
that's it.  now it's personal.

Yeah!! what's up with that ?? ??
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: ozymandias on April 23, 2007, 07:58:41 PM
Deal with it!
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 23, 2007, 08:07:01 PM
Deal with it!
do i have a choice?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: ozymandias on April 23, 2007, 08:39:38 PM
Not really, I am what I am, a contradiction in terms, but true to myself!
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: McGiver on April 23, 2007, 09:00:35 PM
Not really, I am what I am, a contradiction in terms, but true to myself!
+posting in the mirror?
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Teejay on April 23, 2007, 09:13:11 PM
If a left winger is anti-bush, Fuck-Israel, screw Saudi Arabia and RobertN is an ignoramus,. then I'm left wing.  Oh yes, I'm pro-gun control, definitely left wing and cowardly.   :finger:

But RobertN is an ignoramus.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Calandale on April 23, 2007, 11:00:47 PM
Terrorism strikes me as just as legitimate a form of
war as any other. It is unreasonable to assume that
those without the military means to enforce there
will should be more restricted in their desires solely
on that point. Revolutions and insurrections almost
always fall into this category, and not all of them seem
without merit.

Nonetheless, I believe that ANY form of warfare is probably
a huge mistake. Although Israel has more or less put itself into
a position wherein a loss might actually be more catastrophic
to its citizenry than surrender. May have been the case from
the founding, although there had been very few problems
in the Ottoman territories. I suspect that the whole Balfour
declaration was a terrible mistake, inflicted on all the people
who were native to the area. The founding just realized that
error.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on May 18, 2007, 12:50:17 AM
Lemon curry??
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Blasted on November 11, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
Binty is left wing
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on November 11, 2009, 04:42:28 PM
Binty is left wing

If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, then you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're 30 then you have no brain!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Blasted on November 11, 2009, 04:45:11 PM
Binty is left wing

If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, then you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're 30 then you have no brain!!  :laugh:

Binty is gonna be left wing for ever and ever and ever :pinkbeat:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on November 11, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
   :runaway: This thread pretty well proves that Intestiney is dying and has been for 3 years. Time to fucking repent.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on November 11, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
   :runaway: This thread pretty well proves that Intestiney is dying and has been for 3 years. Time to fucking repent.

How do you repent?? with an enima??
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on November 11, 2009, 11:34:58 PM
   :runaway: This thread pretty well proves that Intestiney is dying and has been for 3 years. Time to fucking repent.

How do you repent?? with an enima??
Well, first you have to pent then further instructions here: http://www.drtushy.com/main.html (http://www.drtushy.com/main.html)  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on November 11, 2009, 11:57:40 PM
   :runaway: This thread pretty well proves that Intestiney is dying and has been for 3 years. Time to fucking repent.

How do you repent?? with an enima??
Well, first you have to pent then further instructions here: http://www.drtushy.com/main.html (http://www.drtushy.com/main.html)  :evillaugh:

I think we might need to get Litigious back here to properly do that!  :laugh:

Seriously though, the site does seem to be making a bit of a comeback.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on November 11, 2009, 11:59:06 PM
 :lol: You got me there Scrap, my heart just isn't in it like Lits.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 12, 2009, 03:53:25 AM
Dying? Ye of little faith. It was just taking a Nanna Nap.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on November 12, 2009, 04:40:15 AM
Dying? Ye of little faith. It was just taking a Nanna Nap.
:lol: At your age we do get concerned.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 12, 2009, 04:52:26 AM
Dying? Ye of little faith. It was just taking a Nanna Nap.
:lol: At your age we do get concerned.

I wake when I hear "Shall we poke him with a stick?"
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on November 12, 2009, 05:31:41 AM
 :lol:

I usually wait until they actually do it.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 12, 2009, 05:36:44 AM
Then rise up suddenly like Nosferatu with a death rattle and eyes wide and bulging.
Of course cleaning up the puddles afterwards is not such fun.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on November 12, 2009, 11:08:43 AM
Binty is left wing

If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, then you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're 30 then you have no brain!!  :laugh:

Binty is gonna be left wing for ever and ever and ever :pinkbeat:

That is untill someone puts a nice solid firearm in you hand and you pull the trigger for the first time. You'll be corrupted and from then on you'll be Libertarian! POT HEADS AND GUN NUTS UNITE FTW!!!
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Blasted on November 12, 2009, 11:16:21 AM
Binty is left wing

If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, then you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're 30 then you have no brain!!  :laugh:

Binty is gonna be left wing for ever and ever and ever :pinkbeat:

That is untill someone puts a nice solid firearm in you hand and you pull the trigger for the first time. You'll be corrupted and from then on you'll be Libertarian! POT HEADS AND GUN NUTS UNITE FTW!!!

Guns  :thumbdn:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Scrapheap on November 12, 2009, 11:40:25 AM
Binty is left wing

If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, then you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're 30 then you have no brain!!  :laugh:

Binty is gonna be left wing for ever and ever and ever :pinkbeat:

That is untill someone puts a nice solid firearm in you hand and you pull the trigger for the first time. You'll be corrupted and from then on you'll be Libertarian! POT HEADS AND GUN NUTS UNITE FTW!!!

Guns  :thumbdn:

And that is why you fail, young Skywalker... :yoda:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Blasted on November 12, 2009, 11:42:03 AM
 :(

Guns are killing things.  I don't like them.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on November 12, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
:(

Guns are killing things.  I don't like them.
That's why I keep mine in a safe. So they don't walk around of their own accord shooting people.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: Blasted on November 12, 2009, 02:05:36 PM
:(

Guns are killing things.  I don't like them.
That's why I keep mine in a safe. So they don't walk around of their own accord shooting people.

I just have a problem with an object who's prime function is to kill people.  Obviously people kill people but guns are killing tools.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: odeon on November 12, 2009, 03:14:30 PM
:(

Guns are killing things.  I don't like them.
That's why I keep mine in a safe. So they don't walk around of their own accord shooting people.

 :lol:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: johnH on March 24, 2010, 08:42:49 AM
[satire]
Obviously many of you don’t speak left-speak… you fail to realise that when a leftist says something they mean entirely unrelated things for example if you actually want to say I want to play the piano you have to say this
He hates to gay the gambling violin.–
·
If you want to say a person has been shot you say,
The black dude didn't took my pistol ya’ll etc.
Nautrally I have also studied right-speak…
which in which for example

Da nigga did it mean’s,
My white friend commited an act of terrorism,
The black dude didn’t took my pistol ya’ll,
means
The person was shot by a watermellon.
[/satire]
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 24, 2010, 10:20:59 PM
Binty is left wing

If you aren't a liberal by the time you're 20, then you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're 30 then you have no brain!!  :laugh:

Binty is gonna be left wing for ever and ever and ever :pinkbeat:

That is untill someone puts a nice solid firearm in you hand and you pull the trigger for the first time. You'll be corrupted and from then on you'll be Libertarian! POT HEADS AND GUN NUTS UNITE FTW!!!

I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on August 07, 2010, 10:02:58 PM
I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
With that attitude you would probably do it well. A Ruger MK II 22 lr and a Sig P239 9mm would be a good starting point.
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: "couldbecousin" on August 08, 2010, 07:55:34 PM
I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
With that attitude you would probably do it well. A Ruger MK II 22 lr and a Sig P239 9mm would be a good starting point.

You may find you have created a monster!  :tooledup:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on August 08, 2010, 07:59:46 PM
I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
With that attitude you would probably do it well. A Ruger MK II 22 lr and a Sig P239 9mm would be a good starting point.

You may find you have created a monster!  :tooledup:
The monster has been laying dormant inside you.  ;)
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: "couldbecousin" on August 08, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
With that attitude you would probably do it well. A Ruger MK II 22 lr and a Sig P239 9mm would be a good starting point.

You may find you have created a monster!  :tooledup:
The monster has been laying dormant inside you.  ;)

And is so happy to be free!  :mwhaha:
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: P7PSP on August 08, 2010, 08:06:22 PM
I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
With that attitude you would probably do it well. A Ruger MK II 22 lr and a Sig P239 9mm would be a good starting point.

You may find you have created a monster!  :tooledup:
The monster has been laying dormant inside you.  ;)

And is so happy to be free!  :mwhaha:
And I won't even think of exorcism.  >:D
Title: Re: AspieLeft
Post by: "couldbecousin" on August 08, 2010, 08:07:03 PM
I've never smoked pot and I never will, but i would LOVE to learn to target shoot!  :litigious:
With that attitude you would probably do it well. A Ruger MK II 22 lr and a Sig P239 9mm would be a good starting point.

You may find you have created a monster!  :tooledup:
The monster has been laying dormant inside you.  ;)

And is so happy to be free!  :mwhaha:
And I won't even think of exorcism.  >:D

I appreciate that. Exorcism would be such a buzzkill!  >:D