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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: maldoror on September 05, 2007, 07:33:38 PM
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Why is the suicide rate four times higher for males than females, while the suicide attempt rate is three times higher for females than males? And why are white people just under Native Americans at the top of the list? ???
http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/suicideprevention/diverse.asp
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/related/suicide_8.asp
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Men typically choose more final methods of suicide.
Native Americans have a tough time in this country. Alcoholism is also rampant in native american communities.
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Men typically choose more final methods of suicide.
Native Americans have a tough time in this country. Alcoholism is also rampant in native american communities.
Yeah you can pump a stomach easier than remove a bullet from someones
head and with better results. Guys just have to be macho.
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Women are more likely to use methods such as pills.
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No, I don't mean why don't they die. I mean why do men use more effective methods of suicide? Everybody knows that most of the time a person poisons themself their stomach is pumped, and yet poison is the most popular suicide method for females. Native American suicide states make sense, given their demographics. But why are white males, who earn the most money and face the least discrimination right after them? Why is the suicide rate in the former USSR, which has it's share of economic and housing issues, so high, while the suicide rate in Nigeria, which is just a little worse off, significantly lower?
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women are attention whores.
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women are attention whores.
Or women aren't stigmatized for suicide attempts the way men are.
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Women don't want to look fat at their funeral.
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i live next to the largest indian reservation in america, and i gotta tell yah, more indians need to commit fucking suicide.
my guess would be the pressure to sucseed in the business world, having the perfect family etc. is the major reason white people do it
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i live next to the largest indian reservation in america, and i gotta tell yah, more indians need to commit fucking suicide.
my guess would be the pressure to sucseed in the business world, having the perfect family etc. is the major reason white people do it
Maybe something like that. Although, I would add to it the thinking that if they do all that, somehow happiness will just magically occur. And when reality sets in, they don't know what to do about it.
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women are attention whores.
Or women aren't stigmatized for suicide attempts the way men are.
Or women are just pussies and are too scared to jump off a building or blow their head off with a shotgun.
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I wonder if its because women are more likely to romanticise suicide so tend to chose the methods that result in a slow fading away from the cruel world. ???
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I think they tend also to think of the mess left behind
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I remember when I had a shotgun to My head the only thing that stopped Me is that I could not do it to My Grandparents. My Parents where in Turkey at the time, if they would been there I may have done it. Glad they weren't in the end cause I might not be here today.
I go to that room in My Parent house and I look around sometimes wondering how it would have looked in the end. I just try to imagine it. I did for years but know I don't. The room was My old bedroom that became My Dad office. That room had all the guns and still does in the end.
In the end I am glad I did not do it.
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Glad to here you didn't do it.
I worked with a guy whose brother broke up with his girlfriend. The guy went to her house knocked on the door and when she answered he blew his head off right if her face.
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i feel like committing suicide. i missed Star Trek. :(
FUCK.
but if i did, i would do it well. i really wonder how someone can try to kill themselves and fail at it, if they really try it should be easy. you can take pills and jump down into a waterfall and stab yourself on the way down. and if that doesn't work bite into a cyanide capsule.
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i feel like committing suicide. i missed Star Trek. :(
FUCK.
but if i did, i would do it well. i really wonder how someone can try to kill themselves and fail at it, if they really try it should be easy. you can take pills and jump down into a waterfall and stab yourself on the way down. and if that doesn't work bite into a cyanide capsule.
It's not a dependable process, unless you really think it through.
I know a guy who shot himself in the head with a police style revolver and you would think that should work, but it didn't. I have always said, just like everything else he ever tried to do, he fucked that up, too. He was a tossed salad the last time I saw him and still going a few years ago in a state hospital, last I heard. He's not tube fed, but pretty much an infant, requiring total care for over twenty years, now.
He did it because he wrecked his shitty two hundred dollar car, according to the people who were around him at the time.
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i wouldn't think that would work, actually. shooting yourself in the head is the stupidest thing. people often survive. you don't wanna survive that. some guy shot himself in the face and survived and he was on Oprah talking about it. he barely had a face.
i just think if you really wanna remove yourself, better do it well. it's not something you should do on a whim anyway.
when i was suicidal but not actively trying to kill myself i did things that were possibly lethal but not probable. so it was kind of a russian roulette thing more like. where the idea of maybe was appealing. but if i wanted to do it right i would plan it.
i have often thought about ways to make it work and how i would do it and what it would feel like. i would go for pills but make back up plans because pills often don't kill you. i would prolly take pills for the heck of it and add some poison. or something.
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there's this hilarious book on suicide. i don't remember the name.
i tried to look for it and found out Owen Wilson tried to commit suicide. and some reporters laughed. this video is hilarious. they make asses of themselves laughing and talking about "poor Owen".
american news people can be so unprofessional but it's a new low.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=q53xjyRwBqc
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I don't tolerate pain well, and I've always tried to think of ways that would be as painless as possible.
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me too.
i hope you will stay alive. :-*
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thanks. i'll try. :-*
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you can always PM me if you wanna talk about stuff. :)
i was shocked Owen Wilson had attempted suicide. comedians are often depressed but he didn't seem like that. Jim Carrey has this dark edge and you can see this thing in his eyes, but Owen always seemed so... light. even in Permanent Midnight he was the light comedy character and it's a total drama, hilarious though, :P but still. just surprising.
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Again, thanks. <feels like a broken record> :laugh:
I was shocked about Owen Wilson too. I like that guy a lot.
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me too. he's so funny.
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i just think if you really wanna remove yourself, better do it well. it's not something you should do on a whim anyway.
That's kind of what I was trying to point out.
There's almost no guarantee, unless you blow yourself to bits or do something carefully planned with gas, like seal up your room, bring in a bunch of dry ice and go to sleep on the floor. Drowning is not too painful, although kind of scary. Once the water enters your lungs it burns just a little, but not enough to make you try to cough. A few spasms of your diaphragm and you stop fighting and just go to sleep. I think if I had actually wanted to drown it wouldn't have been that scary, even. I awoke in the hospital the next day, though, so I guess you need to make sure you're alone for a while if you really want to drown.
Truly, though, I hope we all manage to stay alive for a long time.
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did you drown? how did it happen?
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did you drown? how did it happen?
Kind of drowned, yes. Almost. I think I posted about it in the "near death thread." My fireman friend who I was going fishing with saved my life. I was tangled in my sinking boat with my lungs full of water when he found me. Forty two hours later I woke up in the hospital, vomiting around a tube that went down my throat.
None of the taking in water or acidosis in the muscles or whatever it is called hurt much, but coming back to life hurt like a motherfucker!
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Buffy knows.
the woman who made firethegrid drowned with her son. her son's bowels were passing out of his body and he smelled like rotten meat. drowning and coming back to life is no small feat. lol rhymes.
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Because men can do it better.
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no. you're wrong.
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a girl once told me that if i stopped dating her she would kill herself.
i said, Go ahead.
she didn't. but this is why i suspect that women do it more for attention rather than ending it all.
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Men have done that too. ::)
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Men have done that too. ::)
Men do that a lot.
I wonder whether there are any statistics on whether men or women threaten to commit suicide over a break-up more often?
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Men have done that too. ::)
Men do that a lot.
I wonder whether there are any statistics on whether men or women threaten to commit suicide over a break-up more often?
There probably are, somewhere. :laugh:
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Men have done that too. ::)
Men do that a lot.
I wonder whether there are any statistics on whether men or women threaten to commit suicide over a break-up more often?
There probably are, somewhere. :laugh:
There must be, but I couldn't find them.
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......And why are white people just under Native Americans at the top of the list? ???
Because they didn't interview any Japanese apparently. :evillaugh:
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Men have done that too. ::)
Men do that a lot.
I wonder whether there are any statistics on whether men or women threaten to commit suicide over a break-up more often?
There probably are, somewhere. :laugh:
There must be, but I couldn't find them.
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Yeah, me neither. :-\
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Men have done that too. ::)
yet men are successful in their suicide attempts more than women. i wonder why they need the attention when they are dead?
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How much do they pay for a good suicide?
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since men pay for practically everything, i would imagine that the answer is, a whole hell of alot more than women.
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I'd pay more for a woman
than a suicide.
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maybe, but what if you can only afford suicide?
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maybe, but what if you can only afford suicide?
take a woman with you. that seems to be how men like to go.
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So long as it's consensual.
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So long as it's consensual.
is it ever?
is romeo and juliet like real life?
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So long as it's consensual.
is it ever?
I think so. My wife and I considered
it, a few times.
is romeo and juliet like real life?
They died for other reasons.
Weaker ones, I think. If Romeo
had just given her a goodbye fuck,
she would have awakened.
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Men have done that too. ::)
yet men are successful in their suicide attempts more than women. i wonder why they need the attention when they are dead?
Just because they're more successful doesn't mean they all are. Maybe the men who attempt/commit suicide want their girlfriend to feel guilty about breaking up with them.
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bullshit men are better. anyone can kill themself. it's easy.
Romeo and Juliet were like Star Trek time travel. bullshit. they were naive little children. and if they had IM they would have survived.
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Men have done that too. ::)
yet men are successful in their suicide attempts more than women. i wonder why they need the attention when they are dead?
Just because they're more successful doesn't mean they all are. Maybe the men who attempt/commit suicide want their girlfriend to feel guilty about breaking up with them.
but where is the benefit of making someone feel guilt if you are not alive to benefit from it?
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that's always kept me alive.
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a girl once told me that if i stopped dating her she would kill herself.
i said, Go ahead.
she didn't. but this is why i suspect that women do it more for attention rather than ending it all.
I once dated someone who did kill themself, so it's catch 22.
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Men have done that too. ::)
Men do that a lot.
I wonder whether there are any statistics on whether men or women threaten to commit suicide over a break-up more often?
I think sometimes the men kill themselves and the woman because they can't stand the thought of her being with anyone else. Therefore no-one is left behind to tell the real story or the build up of events.
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a girl once told me that if i stopped dating her she would kill herself.
i said, Go ahead.
she didn't. but this is why i suspect that women do it more for attention rather than ending it all.
I once dated someone who did kill themself, so it's catch 22.
My ex-boyfriend said he would and he did attempt suicide. But he set himself up where I would find him, knowing that I would, I think.
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a girl once told me that if i stopped dating her she would kill herself.
i said, Go ahead.
she didn't. but this is why i suspect that women do it more for attention rather than ending it all.
I once dated someone who did kill themself, so it's catch 22.
My ex-boyfriend said he would and he did attempt suicide. But he set himself up where I would find him, knowing that I would, I think.
Yes, that can happen too. Men threaten to commit suicide also, I don't think it's just a attention seeking female's last resort, that's for sure.
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Because men can do it better.
Anything you can do I can do better...
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Men have done that too. ::)
yet men are successful in their suicide attempts more than women. i wonder why they need the attention when they are dead?
Just because they're more successful doesn't mean they all are. Maybe the men who attempt/commit suicide want their girlfriend to feel guilty about breaking up with them.
but where is the benefit of making someone feel guilt if you are not alive to benefit from it?
because they are predicting what it's going to do before they die. i used to want to kill myself and leave a suicide note saying that it was because of the other kids that made fun of me so that they would feel guilty. i would have benefited from the knowledge of knowing what my death would do.
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Men have done that too. ::)
yet men are successful in their suicide attempts more than women. i wonder why they need the attention when they are dead?
Just because they're more successful doesn't mean they all are. Maybe the men who attempt/commit suicide want their girlfriend to feel guilty about breaking up with them.
F U C K E R, you caught me. Actually damn sensitivity got me in a hole, and its not the one I wanted. Mom does not believe that I care about her so much, infact, its my sensitivity that is keeping her alive. I bet the meds are helping, but nothing compares to a son who loves his mom. She admits that it seems like I am the only one who cares about her. They all do, but can't stand her. I gave her a hug and she saw my eyes watering, then she reconsidered. Then she went for her reality complex, the one where her bipolar disorder is undercontroll and I need taking care of. She think I am suicidal now, because I am in deep shit. Its on the back burner actually, because I did not get to have sex yet. I worked really hard to make myself who I am, and now I am finally enjoying it. I sorta don't want to do anything now when I am just starting be happy. There is someone who needs me, someone who will be very upset if I go, and I need her to, more than you could imagine :wanker: :hornysign: All the time, I think the sign would be broken from over use. I blamed my mom, and I said partly. She is so f u c k ed up she herd full blame. She is f u c k n driving me crazy. She keeps telling me she won't do anything because she thinks I need her, well when there is everyone sucks, I do. Love is a vaulable thing. Reality complex is something I came up with, and its just like causing trouble to distract herself from her depression, but I don't give her the verbal abuse now, so I think she has a new game. I appears she only does the stigmatizing when she is in a bad mood, then its however she can cope. If that envolves abusing me, so be it. She stopped trying that shit, because I don't play her game.
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/me has thoughts, but generally it would be a waist to do anything. He wants his mom to hang on till she finds peace, so she feel the reason I have to live. That is why he choose to show his emotions here and not with his grandmother.
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Because men can do it better.
Anything you can do I can do better...
Prove it.
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Because men can do it better.
Anything you can do I can do better...
Lets see you pee standing up!! :smarty:
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F U C K E R, you caught me. Actually damn sensitivity got me in a hole, and its not the one I wanted. Mom does not believe that I care about her so much, infact, its my sensitivity that is keeping her alive. I bet the meds are helping, but nothing compares to a son who loves his mom. She admits that it seems like I am the only one who cares about her. They all do, but can't stand her.
If my mother was like your mother, I would have left home as soon as I completed high school and stopped caring about her.
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Because men can do it better.
Anything you can do I can do better...
Lets see you pee standing up!! :smarty:
Meh. that wouldn't be worth the mess.
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Because men can do it better.
Anything you can do I can do better...
Anything you can do I can do better than you.
No you can't. Yes I can. No you can't. Yes I cannnnnn.
Screw you for making me think of that musical.
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Because men can do it better.
Anything you can do I can do better...
Anything you can do I can do better than you.
No you can't. Yes I can. No you can't. Yes I cannnnnn.
Screw you for making me think of that musical.
I was thinking the same thing :plus:
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Anyone thinking rationally can kill themselves, but most suicidal people aren't being rational about it, and it's not like it's a decision based on facts and stats, like this method'll give me a 50% chance but this method will give me 75%, it's all about what your drawn to, how you wanna go out, how you wanna be found, what you want people thinking. So, say you want it to look like an accident, you've just lowered your chances of success, doesn't mean you don't want to do it, just means you want to do it your way. And though some people, have failed attempts to get sympathy, really some people just don't do it the right way, nothing sucks worse then failing at quitting life when you really wanna.
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Here is someone who put a lot of thought and effort into it
Man builds guillotine to kill himself
Wed Sep 12, 5:05 PM ET
ALLEN PARK, Mich. - The body of a 41-year-old man was found in a wooded area next to a guillotine he built and used to kill himself, police said. The man, from the Detroit suburb of Melvindale, was discovered Monday by workers from a shopping center near his home.
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Allen Park Deputy Police Chief Dale Covert said the roughly six-foot tall guillotine was bolted to a tree and included a swing arm. Covert said police also found several store receipts detailing the materials used to assemble the device.
"I can't even tell you how long it must have taken him to construct," he said. "This man obviously was very determined to end his life."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070912/ap_on_fe_st/odd_guillotine_death_1
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I could see doing that.
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Teejay, you need to understand that people generally have reasons they act they way they do. If your mom was going to commit suicide, you would be mean? You can't put your mood away for her? Sensitivity is a two step process, healthy lifestyle (wich includes cope with distress), and asking a question. That leads to your maximum capacity, and in that case, its tears for me. There are benefits when you do this, you should give it a whirl and see what happens.
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Teejay, you need to understand that people generally have reasons they act they way they do. If your mom was going to commit suicide, you would be mean?
Well if she has threaten to commit suicide plenty of times before, I would hope that like the last times she does not act on it. Seriously if my mum was a ex-con, drug dealer and someone who royally screwed up my childhood, I would be feeling nothing but intense loathing for her and wished she was dead.
You can't put your mood away for her? Sensitivity is a two step process, healthy lifestyle (wich includes cope with distress), and asking a question. That leads to your maximum capacity, and in that case, its tears for me. There are benefits when you do this, you should give it a whirl and see what happens.
Sensitivity is for the weak, society would be a lot better off if people weren't so sensitive.
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Sorry, to say this, but sensitivity is for the strong. Its the strong ones who have the sensitivity, because they are stable in mind. They don't have much of their own issues to content with, so they think about others. How could you say such a thing, when me paying more attention to my lifestyle habits, has increased my sensitivity? Sensitivity does pay off when your jacking off, I know that! Mom acts up because she is bipolar, she is having a tough time, and or does not know how to cope. They best thing to do if you were me, is to help her out. Try not to agravating her for starters. If you do that to everyone, you will be alone, and I know I would go crazy like that.
Putting all your small handicapp aside, I think your a highly fuctional person, Tj. So should I treat you badly because you annoy me, like you would my mom? or should I try helping you?
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Sorry, to say this, but sensitivity is for the strong. Its the strong ones who have the sensitivity, because they are stable in mind. They don't have much of their own issues to content with, so they think about others. How could you say such a thing, when me paying more attention to my lifestyle habits, has increased my sensitivity? Sensitivity does pay off when your jacking off, I know that! Mom acts up because she is bipolar, she is having a tough time, and or does not know how to cope. They best thing to do if you were me, is to help her out. Try not to agravating her for starters. If you do that to everyone, you will be alone, and I know I would go crazy like that.
Putting all your small handicapp aside, I think your a highly fuctional person, Tj. So should I treat you badly because you annoy me, like you would my mom? or should I try and not annoy you plus try and help you?
OMG, Randy you have the potential to be a stand up comedian.
:plus: when I can.
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Oh, I could so I gave you +1. Thank you for giving me the biggest laugh I have had all week.
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Try looking at my ugly face in my avitar, its mine 8)
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There are disadvantages and advantages to being sensitive. I wouldn't necessarily say it is for either the weak or strong exclusively. Thinking about others and wanting to help them is a good thing in my opinion. At least the person cares enough as a friend to want to help someone else.
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Try looking at my ugly face in my avitar, its mine 8)
I've seen your face, it's not ugly Randy. Don't be silly.
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It was a joke, because I am happy with the way I am. I can easily go up to a woman, no matter how cute, and admit my feelings because I am self actualizing. I am doing my best, and its working. I get tons more f u c k n attention now.
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Sensitivity can make one weak.
If I fully open my empathy channels,
I can get floored by other's feelings.
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Randy,
All I forgot to add, I do much more for my family (more than I actually need to) than you do. Unlike you I rarely ever borrow money and even then it is only for tiny amounts from my family members, indeed they often borrow money from me. Also over the years I have spent a fair bit of money in helping my dad buy stuff he needs, like when he needs a new graphics card (he does a lot of 3D computer image work).
From what I have heard you seem content for your sister to pay all your bills, without contributing a cent and often beg your dad for money so to have phone sex.
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I am sorry, but your wrong!
My dad won't give me a fuckn drop! There are times, at my lowest, when he does come through, but most of time not given anything.
I don't have a job, because this town is full of morons that take all the good jobs, otherwise I would be able to do something good for this world. My sister has been gone for awhile, and I am happy! From a distance she less likely to annoy me. You have not done more than me, for pulling someone out of suicide is far greater than anything you could do for someone. I not only, get her fish, I tell her how to catch it. That is more precious than any want in this world. When you put your problems aside for someone else you are something else, but you have not done that yet. I hope you are able to do that some day.
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Fairy drops? Sounds yummy.