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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Christopher McCandless on August 10, 2007, 08:52:24 AM
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Should the world build more nuclear power plants?
Discuss...
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Sure, it is a good way of producing tons of power without fucking up the atmosphere. That and if one had a meltdown disaster it would kill lots of people. Win - win situation. The only worry is where to store the waste really. Just need more electronic transportation methods that are affordable.
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Yes and this comes from someone who lived just a few miles away from one for two years. The only bad thing was the testing of the warning sirens Saturday mornings once a month when I was usually hung over. They can generate a lot of power and are pretty safe if properly run. Then again with the state of science education in the US declining.
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Yes and this comes from someone who lived just a few miles away from one for two years. The only bad thing was the testing of the warning sirens Saturday mornings once a month when I was usually hung over. They can generate a lot of power and are pretty safe if properly run. Then again with the state of science education in the US declining.
Most of the plants built these days are fail safe, so I assume there wouldnt be a problem even with idiots running them.
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dont give a fuck either way
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Yes and this comes from someone who lived just a few miles away from one for two years. The only bad thing was the testing of the warning sirens Saturday mornings once a month when I was usually hung over. They can generate a lot of power and are pretty safe if properly run. Then again with the state of science education in the US declining.
Most of the plants built these days are fail safe, so I assume there wouldnt be a problem even with peaguys running them.
I'm sure a lot of people felt that way about a certain bridge too. I am fairly confident that they are safe and we should be looking into building more. I also feel that basic science needs to be stressed and encouraged at an early age drawing people into the field. Otherwise we we have to outsource there operation to the Indians like everything else
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Yes and this comes from someone who lived just a few miles away from one for two years. The only bad thing was the testing of the warning sirens Saturday mornings once a month when I was usually hung over. They can generate a lot of power and are pretty safe if properly run. Then again with the state of science education in the US declining.
Most of the plants built these days are fail safe, so I assume there wouldnt be a problem even with peaguys running them.
I'm sure a lot of people felt that way about a certain bridge too. I am fairly confident that they are safe and we should be looking into building more. I also feel that basic science needs to be stressed and encouraged at an early age drawing people into the field. Otherwise we we have to outsource there operation to the Indians like everything else
Oh I agree with you entirely, western education systems are going to pot, particuarly when teaching the sciences. What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
I am drunk, hence the sloppy SPAG.
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
I am drunk, hence the sloppy SPAG.
Nuclear plants are potentially dangerous so while you don't have to be a genius to run one, you do have to have some training. I wouldn't let you anywhere near one when drunk.
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
I am drunk, hence the sloppy SPAG.
Nuclear plants are potentially dangerous so while you don't have to be a genius to run one, you do have to have some training. I wouldn't let you anywhere near one when drunk.
They are dangerous, I agree, but a full scale meltdown is impossible in the modern designs of reactor. The myth perpetuated by some green groups is we will get another Chenobyl, the fact is a new generation of nuclear power plants cant do that. The danger obviously is still the core and all the equipment surronding it can be melted, along with what can happen with employees within it. The danger to those external to the plant is minimal however in a modern plant.
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I didn't mention a meltdown, did I?
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I didn't mention a meltdown, did I?
No, I was just claifying where my initial laughably spelt post came from.
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
I lived not just by a nuke but just down the river from a nuclear sub base in Ct. We used to watch the missile subs going by while eating in the college cafeteria and joking we were at ground zero in case of an attack or just fucked in case of an accident
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Meltdowns won't happen with gravel bed reactors, but that doesn't make them safe. Sellafield, which produces plutonium for the ministry of defence, never had a meltdown, but it did manage to pollute the west coast of southern Scotland and Northern England with plutonium over a period of 30 years to the point where shellfish from those areas are no longer safe to eat, and will be banned from sale under proposed EU restrictions on radioactivity in food. Ireland complained to the UK about it polluting their shores and fisheries too, but it's still allowed to dump reduced amounts of plutonium into the sea. Other nuclear plants around the country have similar histories of repeatedly leaking radioactive materials into the surrounding environment.
Nuclear power could be great if managed properly, but so far it's been horribly over-budget with an appalling safety record. That's not to say that it's worse than coal-fired powerstations; they pump huge quantities of heavy metals and radioactivity into the atmosphere, but the nuclear industry seriously needs to clean up it's act before it should be allowed to expand significantly.
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I didn't mention a meltdown, did I?
no point in arguing, hon - hadron Knows Everything.
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
I lived not just by a nuke but just down the river from a nuclear sub base in Ct. We used to watch the missile subs going by while eating in the college cafeteria and joking we were at ground zero in case of an attack or just fucked in case of an accident
There's a nuclear sub base about 50km from where I live.
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I didn't mention a meltdown, did I?
no point in arguing, hon - hadron Knows Everything.
I forgot. :P
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I didn't mention a meltdown, did I?
no point in arguing, hon - hadron Knows Everything.
Where did I say that?
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What I was trying to do is dispel the ilussion that you need genious's to run nuclear power plants, an fable spread by the ecomentalist lobby.
Yes, even you could run one with the appropriate training, although I'd be nervous about living near it.
I lived not just by a nuke but just down the river from a nuclear sub base in Ct. We used to watch the missile subs going by while eating in the college cafeteria and joking we were at ground zero in case of an attack or just fucked in case of an accident
There's a nuclear sub base about 50km from where I live.
I know the subs from Ct stop over in the UK during their tours wonder if thats where they go?
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I wish we still made nuke plants, but the coal and oil companies probably invest a lot in the "environmental" groups to keep them down.
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I think we should ban all nuclear power.
Starting with the sun.
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I agree that nuclear power is the only form of clean and sustainable energy. Waste management is a huge problem. As far as safety, sure people near the plant would be fucked in the case of a meltdown. But aren't we all fucked now anyway due to greenhouse gasses and pollutants from the coal and oil plants? Nuclear power is much safer in those respects.
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Well, it looks like this measure is going to pass. The question is, who do we hire to build a nuclear power plant??
oops, wrong thread. :emb:
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Well, it looks like this measure is going to pass. The question is, who do we hire to build a nuclear power plant??
oops, wrong thread. :emb:
Hay there is a bunch of Mexicans hanging out by the deli every morning lets start there like all the other builders :P
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Well, it looks like this measure is going to pass. The question is, who do we hire to build a nuclear power plant??
The British could do it, if all the people in the industry dont die off too soon.
oops, wrong thread. :emb:
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with properly managed and engineered plants we wouldn't have meltdowns
waste can be stored in subduction zones, by the time it comes back up it will no longer be radioactive
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
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with properly managed and engineered plants we wouldn't have meltdowns
waste can be stored in subduction zones, by the time it comes back up it will no longer be radioactive
Presuming Homer doesn't work at one.
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hey i had a homer doll with radioactive suit! and i had bart and bartman, and i had lisa and marge...
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I'm too old for dolls now. :-[
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
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I want a poll option that says "Yes, but only if the nuclear industry takes it's collective head out of it's collective arse first."
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
Maybe the aliens can help us with nukes?
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
Maybe the aliens can help us with nukes?
Nope, it's just that the majority of people in the world, like the majority of the people on intensity, are morons.
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
Maybe the aliens can help us with nukes?
Nope, it's just that the majority of people in the world, like the majority of the people on intensity, are morons.
So, we're perpetually fucked,
and should not play with nukes.
Incidentally, you seem a bit on
the angry side today.
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
i wasn't saying it was. it was just a tangent that chernobyl bit. it doesn't affect my position on nuclear power. i'm against them because they hurt mother earth.
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
Maybe the aliens can help us with nukes?
they can take them off our hands if we say please.
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
chernobyl was not properly managed
three mile island wasn't properly engineered
Management is a big problem even when things are properly engineered. Maintenance is always one of the things they cut back on to save money even the best engineered plant is susceptible to problems if left to rot or has half ass maintenance.
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i was outside playing when chernobyl went to fucks. i was just a little toddler but i remember mom talking about radioactivity. she was worried about it floating over to our side. which it did.
i've always been against them. there is no use for them. when the aliens come you'll see.
That was the soviets, who had no idea whatsoever how to run a nuclear power plant. Most countries know what they are doing and nothing will happen. The soviets on the other hand are playing with fire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
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all hail the all knowing wikipedia...
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honestly, hadron, do you not know that there are other arguments, more informed, and certainly more comprehensive, than the wiki? are you going to base your whole life around it?
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all hail the all knowing wikipedia...
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honestly, Hardon, do you not know that there are other arguments, more informed, and certainly more comprehensive, than the wiki? are you going to base your whole life around it?
No, but normally its a good source of basic information. Asides if people want to follow through, wiki lists all its sources at the bottom. A lot better than having to mess around figuring out the correct search term for google.
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well, here's a revelation for you: there are also things called s-c-i-e-n-t-i-f-i-c j-o-u-r-n-a-l-s, and r-e-s-e-a-r-c-h- p-a-p-e-r-s, and even these wierd and wonderful things called b-o-o-k-s, which contain all manner of up-to-date and accurate information. you can access these marvels in l-i-b-r-a-r-i-e-s, which are places that have LOTS of them. and they have more specific and detailed information, often which isn't published on google or wiki (although i can access many papers and journals online).
amazing, isn't it?
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well, here's a revelation for you: there are also things called s-c-i-e-n-t-i-f-i-c j-o-u-r-n-a-l-s, and r-e-s-e-a-r-c-h- p-a-p-e-r-s, and even these wierd and wonderful things called b-o-o-k-s, which contain all manner of up-to-date and accurate information. you can access these marvels in l-i-b-r-a-r-i-e-s, which are places that have LOTS of them. and they have more specific and detailed information, often which isn't published on google or wiki (although i can access papers and journals, through ny uni, but it's only available to postgrads and staff).
amazing, isn't it?
I would love to subscribe to a scientific journal, but I was going to wait until I had a more permanent address. As for librarys, i cant paste a link to a library book on here, it isnt really fair for those who cannot access it. Not all of us have access to a university, Lucifer.
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no, dear. what you do is read the information, then present a cogent argument, and back it up with references. it shows you've thought about it, and actually know what you're talking about.
have you never heard of p-u-b-l-i-c libraries? you can go in them and read things, and it's free, you know.
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no, dear. what you do is read the information, then present a cogent argument, and back it up with references. it shows you've thought about it, and actually know what you're talking about.
have you never heard of p-u-b-l-i-c libraries? you can go in them and read things, and it's free, you know.
Yes, I used to go to them. My local one lacks the depth of reading material I would like, so i choose the internet instead. You need a university library to get access to the more intresting stuff.
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then go to the central one. or try interlibrary loans. ::)
honestly, for someone who's supposed to be going to university, you haven't a clue about reading round a subject, have you?
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then go to the central one. or try interlibrary loans. ::)
honestly, for someone who's supposed to be going to university, you haven't a clue about reading round a subject, have you?
I have read a few books for maths, and for ICT i have certainly read around the subject. The problem is in an exam these days you get penalised for knowing too much, hence why I cut down my reading massively about 2 years ago when I learnt that lesson. The central library is quite a stretch to get to, and even that one doesnt have all the stuff I would like. I still read science magazines etc occasionally.
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::)
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Reviving this thread to see what people think of nuclear power and plants now, it has been a few years. I must admit, I agree with what Hadron said about Wikipedia - it is a good basic source of information. By the time you get books, they are often out of date.
Anyway, nuclear power, etc. I think that if we are using up resources that aren't renewable, like oil and coal, the time will come when nuclear is all we have left apart from sources like solar and wind.
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Still for it. Yes, Fukushima was bad, but coal kills more people, just more slowly.
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If you want free journal access:
sci-hub.cc
This is a site where you can input the DOI/PMID, occasionally also searching text strings may work but DOI is the one to go with. Input the DOI, and press the 'unlock' button, the site fakes an access token and smashes through paywalls.
Instant free access to all the journals you can eat. I LOVE that site. Fuckin mint as hell it is.
Best thing since that autistic chick porn vid with her covering herself in peanut butter and getting off on her sensory stimming w/ said peanut butter:P
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Digital Object Identifier. Just had to say it. Thanks Lestat. :)
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No worries Renface, that site OWNS, and I've been spreading the details of it far and wide.
Lol, the creatrix of sci-hub, she's a kazakh student that figured out how to fake the access tokens and crack paywalls. So she created the site so anyone could do the same thing, and get free access, basically the site spoofs the credentials and makes it appear to journal sites that the article request is actually coming from a uni with a legit acct.
The publishing house Elsevier, a massive bunch of pigfucking moneygrubbing whorespawned cuntbiters in dire need of being extirpated, wiped from the face of the earth and the ground salted with 60Co so they may never come the fuck back, these Elsevier bastards tried to sue the creatrix of sci-hub and she just basically turned round and told them to go get fucked haha.
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I'm old enough to remember the partial meltdown at 3 mile island...and from what I understand they still can't dismantle everything because of radiation dangers 37 years later.
I really not a fan of it. The issue for me is the fact that no one seems to have a good long term plan on how to deal with the nuclear waste that comes along with it.
Hell they can't even implement a good method of disposing CRT TV's right now.
A nuclear plant generates about 20 metric tons of waste a year, their new solution (other than just dumping it like before) in dealing with it in many places is long-term storage facilities. Long term is sometimes up to 100 years before it cools down enough to not pose a health risk, some of it can take up to 500 years. :P
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Not a fan of nuclear power. Because of the stuff IQ said.
With the skills there are, solar power, good batteries and windpower could be doing the job in a while, I think. If investing was bigger, it could be done soon.
Even if it gets done in small parts. My mother had savings, giving hardly any interest. So she got herself solar panels. The profit is way bigger than her money could have done in any investing way done at a bank. Even on cloudy days. And she will be secure to have power when shit hits the fan.
Switzerland does not give permits to build a house, if it is not at least energy neutral, preferably it should produce energy. It can be done.
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I am all for nuclear power. Fusion, if breakeven could be achieved would be best of course, but where fission is concerned, I'm all for breeder and fast breeder reactors, that create more fuel than they burn as a byproduct. Of course there is the conservation of energy principle to be observed, and there will be losses, but I am all for it.
And who do I want in charge of designing and overseeing the nuclear power plants?
Lestat Rett, that is who:D
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There's no real alternative at the moment.
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Solar, Wind, low impact Hydro power (run of river).
I think the last one could show a lot of promise in some areas if they would only pursue it further.
http://www.greenenergyfutures.ca/episode/30-how-it-works-run-river-hydro-electric-power
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They have potential but right now, they are nowhere near nuclear power. And most likely won't be. Fission is more powerful by magnitudes than anything else. Well, until they learn how to control fusion.
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They have potential but right now, they are nowhere near nuclear power. And most likely won't be. Fission is more powerful by magnitudes than anything else. Well, until they learn how to control fusion.
Someone needs to channel Tesla. :meditate:
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batteries
The environmental repercussions of mining for materials, recycling, and disposing of batteries ranks them at the top of world pollutants.
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:zoinks:
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They have potential but right now, they are nowhere near nuclear power. And most likely won't be. Fission is more powerful by magnitudes than anything else. Well, until they learn how to control fusion.
Someone needs to channel Tesla. :meditate:
:agreed:
* sets her self next to IQ, at an appropriate distance * :meditate:
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They have potential but right now, they are nowhere near nuclear power. And most likely won't be. Fission is more powerful by magnitudes than anything else. Well, until they learn how to control fusion.
Someone needs to channel Tesla. :meditate:
:agreed:
* sets her self next to IQ, at an appropriate distance * :meditate:
Me too, me too!
:meditate:
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batteries
The environmental repercussions of mining for materials, recycling, and disposing of batteries ranks them at the top of world pollutants.
Batteries or other ways to store energy. Stored hydrogen won by electrolysis does not have to be as dangerous as assumed, apparently. Would not be a top pollutant.
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They have potential but right now, they are nowhere near nuclear power. And most likely won't be. Fission is more powerful by magnitudes than anything else. Well, until they learn how to control fusion.
Someone needs to channel Tesla. :meditate:
:agreed:
* sets her self next to IQ, at an appropriate distance * :meditate:
Me too, me too!
:meditate:
I heard he's dead. :zoinks:
*shoots spitballs at the closed eyed spirit guides* :whistle:
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batteries
The environmental repercussions of mining for materials, recycling, and disposing of batteries ranks them at the top of world pollutants.
Batteries or other ways to store energy. Stored hydrogen won by electrolysis does not have to be as dangerous as assumed, apparently. Would not be a top pollutant.
You still have to charge them.
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Using combination of solar, tidal, hydro and thermoelectric power generation plus that available from rivers to prepare hyrides and use those for fuel, as well as direct methanol fuel cells and microbial fuel cells would help.
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batteries
The environmental repercussions of mining for materials, recycling, and disposing of batteries ranks them at the top of world pollutants.
Batteries or other ways to store energy. Stored hydrogen won by electrolysis does not have to be as dangerous as assumed, apparently. Would not be a top pollutant.
You still have to charge them.
Solar energy, via electrolysis stored in a hydrogen/oxigen "battery". Decentralized energy making. Every household/apartment-complex becomes an energy producing unit.
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batteries
The environmental repercussions of mining for materials, recycling, and disposing of batteries ranks them at the top of world pollutants.
Batteries or other ways to store energy. Stored hydrogen won by electrolysis does not have to be as dangerous as assumed, apparently. Would not be a top pollutant.
You still have to charge them.
Solar energy, via electrolysis stored in a hydrogen/oxigen "battery". Decentralized energy making. Every household/apartment-complex becomes an energy producing unit.
Sure, and it wouldn't be anywhere near enough.
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What about massive sulfuric acid/vanadium based redox cells? those are rechargable with sulfuric acid addition, and we have access to plentiful sulfuric, sulfuric di- and trioxide, from volcanic fumaroles etc.
I am given to favouring a combined approach, including tidal generators, river-mouth redox devices, wind and solar farms, with lenses focused on the solar cells, and using cell material that can take infra-red, in the near IR range.
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It's certainly interesting when compared to some other technologies, but you still need to charge them.
Nuclear power is beyond them. Please complete basic quantum physics and get back to me.