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Title: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 08:12:47 AM
basically this guy has never been convicted of a paedo crime, but he admits to being sexually attracted you very young girls.   so this father and mother of two young girls took him top court, seeking a a restraining order.  the judge ruled in their favor and now he has to stay at least 30 feet away from all kids.

he can't do anything.  he tried hopping on a plane and they pulled him off because kids were on the plane.  he can't go anywhere, because everywhere there are kids.

Jack McClellan, you have been pwned! :laugh:


here is the anti Jack Mclellan website:

http://www.jackmcclellan.com/


you may try googling his name for more information about him.  in fact, he runs a legal paedo website.  all i know is that this guy seems to have a lot coming to him.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 08:25:23 AM
I don't know, but I smell like some guys aftershave and I don't like it one bit.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2007, 08:48:49 AM
This a very common problem; 'sex offenders', like the 13 year old boy that shags a 12 year old girl, or the teacher who shags her 17 year old student, have their entire lives ruined because they're permanently banned from being near children, and children are everywhere, so they're basically banned from doing anything, anywhere, ever.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 09:00:52 AM
I don't know, but I smell like some guys aftershave and I don't like it one bit.

No, I meant, some guy hugged me tonight and all I can smell on me is his aftershave or whatever.  Like it's totally consumed my body.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: garmonbozia on August 04, 2007, 09:01:43 AM
If you find a fox in the henhouse, do you wait for it to kill one of your hens first, or do you just get rid of it?

This is the first I've heard of this Jack guy.  If he admitted to being attracted to little girls, then he shouldn't be surprised if everybody's trying to protect their little girls from him.  Talk about some major foot-in-one's-own-mouth!

Guess he'll have to spend the rest of his life in a porno theater.  (That's one of the few places he won't have to worry about running into kids.)  At least there, he can work on tuning his horniness toward images of naked adults.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 09:35:00 AM
I don't know, but I smell like some guys aftershave and I don't like it one bit.

I've never met a woman who smells like aftershave.
That's odd. I can see why you wouldn't like it.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 09:35:27 AM
I don't know, but I smell like some guys aftershave and I don't like it one bit.

No, I meant, some guy hugged me tonight and all I can smell on me is his aftershave or whatever.  Like it's totally consumed my body.

Ah. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2007, 09:48:31 AM
If you find a fox in the henhouse, do you wait for it to kill one of your hens first, or do you just get rid of it?

If we took legal action against everyone who fantasised about illegal acts, society would crumble.  Do we really want to live in a world with thoughtcrime?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: duncvis on August 04, 2007, 10:23:01 AM
Its instinctive human behaviour Peter - the drive to protect your offspring. If this cunt was stating a pathological desire to murder children instead of fuck them, would you understand why parents want him kept away from their kids before he gives in to his compulsions rather than after?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2007, 10:30:06 AM
I don't have a problem with people keeping their kids away from someone, but I do have a problem with a judge ordering a person to stay away from all kids, with the utter nerfing of his life that results from such an order, when he's never been convicted or even charged with any crime.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
I don't know, but I smell like some guys aftershave and I don't like it one bit.
shouldn't this go in the thread: Women can get sex anytime they want it.?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: duncvis on August 04, 2007, 12:33:39 PM
Its instinctive human behaviour Peter - the drive to protect your offspring. If this cunt was stating a pathological desire to murder children instead of fuck them, would you understand why parents want him kept away from their kids before he gives in to his compulsions rather than after?

I don't have a problem with people keeping their kids away from someone, but I do have a problem with a judge ordering a person to stay away from all kids, with the utter nerfing of his life that results from such an order, when he's never been convicted or even charged with any crime.

I guess that's a no then.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2007, 12:48:18 PM
Its instinctive human behaviour Peter - the drive to protect your offspring. If this cunt was stating a pathological desire to murder children instead of fuck them, would you understand why parents want him kept away from their kids before he gives in to his compulsions rather than after?

I don't have a problem with people keeping their kids away from someone, but I do have a problem with a judge ordering a person to stay away from all kids, with the utter nerfing of his life that results from such an order, when he's never been convicted or even charged with any crime.

I guess that's a no then.

I do understand why parents want that, but modern legal systems are generally expected to be above the witch burning, lynching instinctual response to such matters, and to protect those who remain within the law from those who would persecute them; not to hand down rulings that destroy the lives of whoever's unpopular at the moment.  If such actions became commonplace, half the people on this site would live in fear of their discussions here being used to destroy their lives in court.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: duncvis on August 04, 2007, 12:52:13 PM
I think we've actually found an area I'm not liberal on. I'd happily tar and feather someone whose attraction towards and inclination to assist others in hooking up with children, whether the law said they were a criminal or not. I'm just funny that way.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 12:53:52 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: purposefulinsanity on August 04, 2007, 12:55:05 PM
Has this guy actually done anything though?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: duncvis on August 04, 2007, 12:57:41 PM
Has this guy actually done anything though?

This is enough for me:

Quote from: jackmclennan.com
Jack McClellan is a man who openly admits (see center video) that he is physically attracted to children and created a website to help pedophiles find children in his home town.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: purposefulinsanity on August 04, 2007, 12:59:50 PM
I think I'd have to actually see his website before making a judgement on that.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 01:13:34 PM
I think I'd have to actually see his website before making a judgement on that.
have you read his website?

and, there is a possibility that it has been censored since he just had to appear in court fighting a restraining order.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: purposefulinsanity on August 04, 2007, 01:19:50 PM
I think I'd have to actually see his website before making a judgement on that.
have you read his website?

and, there is a possibility that it has been censored since he just had to appear in court fighting a restraining order.

No- but I couldn't find a link to it on that website to judge for myself.

Don't get me wrong I think paedophiles should be locked away for life, I'm just a bit wary of these vigilante type groups because I've seen how wrong they can be.  For example- recently on Live journal lots of communities were closed (and individual accounts deleted) because one group decided to report anything that might remotely be a sign of enabling paedophiles- this included fiction sites for age play (which were clearly marked as age play between consenting adults).

Edited to add: bear in mind my eye's aren't up to reading through everything on that website you linked to right now.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 01:23:29 PM
i understand.  but a judge took in all the facts and weighed the evidence and made a ruling.
it isn't as if he didn't get his day in court and to be able to argue his side.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 01:27:34 PM
apparantly his own website has been shut down.

try some of these:
http://www.blogcatalog.com/post-tag/jack%20mcclellan


oh, and would you ever take your kids to a Wiggles concert?  my wife took my daughters once and said it was a great time.  Jack, has admitted attending these concerts and taking photos of very young girls.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: purposefulinsanity on August 04, 2007, 01:30:14 PM
Like I said my eyes aren't up to reading through the website you posted tonight-hence my asking what he'd actually done.


Would I take my kids to a wiggles concert?  God no- since I know the boys would freak out at the noise.  Even so I would never take my eyes off them in a place like that.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: garmonbozia on August 04, 2007, 02:24:46 PM
If you find a fox in the henhouse, do you wait for it to kill one of your hens first, or do you just get rid of it?

If we took legal action against everyone who fantasised about illegal acts, society would crumble.  Do we really want to live in a world with thoughtcrime?

If that were the case, I'd be in a world of shit.  Who here hasn't fantasized about murdering someone?  Let's see... more school bullies than I can count, an asshole boss I once had, that cop who pulled me over once, other drivers who have given me road rage, the list goes on.  Did I threaten them?  No.  If I threatened any of them, it would have been reasonable for someone to subdue my ass for their protection.  (Of course, if some people have their way, just having AS will be a crime.  Don't want that, now do we!)

Hosting a website to help kidfuckers find kids to fuck, is about equivalent to me threatening the above-described people and meaning it.  If I must have murderous thoughts, I keep them to myself, and try to think about something else as quickly as possible so as not to give myself a premature heart attack.  (That's just a hypothetical example, BTW, so don't anyone freak out.)  Oh, and BTW, since when did it become legal to have a kidfucking site?  What 3rd-world country is the host server located in to make that possible?

The smart thing for Jack McClellan to do would have been to keep his fucking mouth shut and keep his kidfucking fantasies to himself.  He should be locked up just for being stupid.  And maybe he could use a little of this...

(http://www.newgrounds.com/icon/77000/portal_77937.gif)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/77937
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2007, 02:41:39 PM
Hosting a website to help kidfuckers find kids to fuck, is about equivalent to me threatening the above-described people and meaning it.  If I must have murderous thoughts, I keep them to myself, and try to think about something else as quickly as possible so as not to give myself a premature heart attack.  (That's just a hypothetical example, BTW, so don't anyone freak out.)  Oh, and BTW, since when did it become legal to have a kidfucking site?  What 3rd-world country is the host server located in to make that possible?

It wasn't a kiddie porn site, and it wasn't a kiddie-fucking guide; it was a site about how to get close to kids without fucking them (i.e, how to provide some satisfaction for their urges within the confines of the law and without harming the kids, or even making the kids aware of said urges), by going to libraries etc and sitting next to them.  An equivalent would be a site about how to get close to adult women; it's entirely different from a site about how to rape adult women, just as this guy's site was not at all about fucking kids.  We should be congratulating him for finding a harmless outlet for his urges, and for helping other paedophiles to likewise tend to their urges in a harmless manner.  But no, hysteria wins the day, and this guy's life is ruined, thus proving that if you're attracted to kids, you might as well tie them up in a dungeon and rape them while you can, since your life will be destroyed either way.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Lucifer on August 04, 2007, 03:38:55 PM
what rubbish that last bit is, peter.  i have to say, i'm reading your posts with half of the siberian salt mines, as you're already made your predilictions clear.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Callaway on August 04, 2007, 04:01:10 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Lucifer on August 04, 2007, 04:03:03 PM
 :clap:   :plus:
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 04, 2007, 04:23:58 PM
what rubbish that last bit is, peter.  i have to say, i'm reading your posts with half of the siberian salt mines, as you're already made your predilictions clear.

What would your predilection be?  The mobbing of those who express an unpopular sexual preference?  This man is literally not allowed to work as a result of this court order, and is living in a car on benefits, which I'm sure makes him a far more stable and law-abiding citizen than he was before.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 04:49:54 PM
I don't know, but I smell like some guys aftershave and I don't like it one bit.
shouldn't this go in the thread: Women can get sex anytime they want it.?

No, it should go in the "People Who are Excessively Drunk and Shouldn't be Posting on Threads" Thread.  Apologies for the random comment  ;)

Especially in a serious topic. 
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Lucifer on August 04, 2007, 04:52:23 PM
that sounds like a brilliant idea for a thread!  i think you should start one.  :laugh:

make it "excessively drunk/tired/insane", though, cos that'll catch more people.  ;)

 :plus:
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 04:58:11 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Other people out there have far more dangerous vices than this man. As long as he doesnt act on said atraction, i see no real issue. At the end of the day he hasnt sexually abused kids directly, otherwise he would be banged up for it. You cant punish people for their beliefs, no matter how repugent you hold them. Their actions, however you can. Obviously, he is sick, but he needs help, not ostracisation. You do know that there is a political party that advocates this stuff in Holland (and more, perfectly legally). If paedophiles can be open about their problems, then many sexual attacks could be avoided with the correct treatment. Personally I would rather they were given the oppotunity to masterbate over pictures, than carry out their fantasies for real.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 05:02:05 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Other people out there have far more dangerous vices than this man. As long as he doesnt act on said atraction, i see no real issue. At the end of the day he hasnt sexually abused kids directly, otherwise he would be banged up for it. You cant punish people for their beliefs, no matter how repugent you hold them. Their actions, however you can. Obviously, he is sick, but he needs help, not ostracisation. You do know that there is a political party that advocates this stuff in Holland (and more, perfectly legally). If paedophiles can be open about their problems, then many sexual attacks could be avoided with the correct treatment. Personally I would rather they were given the oppotunity to masterbate over pictures, than carry out their fantasies for real.

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 05:05:26 PM
hadron, peter, you guys think that these are just weird fetishes?
perhaps we should just allow it to be legal before they do their dee (meet their urge) then kill to cover it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Runnion


or, should we take preventative measures before the example in the link above happens?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 05:14:51 PM
Actually Hadron, what would you class as a more serious vice than that?

ie;  isn't at the very least wanting to take away a child's innocence the most heinious thing that a member of a society could do?  Quite frankly, if I had my way, I'd be borrowing Callaways swords and chopping off any penis that even stirred at a photo or a sexual thought of being with a child.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 05:22:48 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Other people out there have far more dangerous vices than this man. As long as he doesnt act on said atraction, i see no real issue. At the end of the day he hasnt sexually abused kids directly, otherwise he would be banged up for it. You cant punish people for their beliefs, no matter how repugent you hold them. Their actions, however you can. Obviously, he is sick, but he needs help, not ostracisation. You do know that there is a political party that advocates this stuff in Holland (and more, perfectly legally). If paedophiles can be open about their problems, then many sexual attacks could be avoided with the correct treatment. Personally I would rather they were given the oppotunity to masterbate over pictures, than carry out their fantasies for real.

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.
Some start there true. But then its like saying that people who drink alcohol are automatically becoming drink drivers. Most are satisfied with the beer.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Other people out there have far more dangerous vices than this man. As long as he doesnt act on said atraction, i see no real issue. At the end of the day he hasnt sexually abused kids directly, otherwise he would be banged up for it. You cant punish people for their beliefs, no matter how repugent you hold them. Their actions, however you can. Obviously, he is sick, but he needs help, not ostracisation. You do know that there is a political party that advocates this stuff in Holland (and more, perfectly legally). If paedophiles can be open about their problems, then many sexual attacks could be avoided with the correct treatment. Personally I would rather they were given the oppotunity to masterbate over pictures, than carry out their fantasies for real.

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.
Some start there true. But then its like saying that people who drink alcohol are automatically becoming drink drivers. Most are satisfied with the beer.
would you consider a grown adult being SEXUALLY attracted to little kids a preference, or a fetish?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 05:28:22 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Other people out there have far more dangerous vices than this man. As long as he doesnt act on said atraction, i see no real issue. At the end of the day he hasnt sexually abused kids directly, otherwise he would be banged up for it. You cant punish people for their beliefs, no matter how repugent you hold them. Their actions, however you can. Obviously, he is sick, but he needs help, not ostracisation. You do know that there is a political party that advocates this stuff in Holland (and more, perfectly legally). If paedophiles can be open about their problems, then many sexual attacks could be avoided with the correct treatment. Personally I would rather they were given the oppotunity to masterbate over pictures, than carry out their fantasies for real.

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.
Some start there true. But then its like saying that people who drink alcohol are automatically becoming drink drivers. Most are satisfied with the beer.

Not some, all Hadron.  I doubt an analogy about beer is hardly relevant in this instance.  Children aren't for sexual pleasure of any sort for adults.  How would you feel if you found out that some guy had been whacking off to photos of you when you were two? 
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: maldoror on August 04, 2007, 05:28:56 PM

Find a sex offender:

Find a registered Sex Offender Near You. This web site I think is the best. It actually maps out location and offers a photo. Sweet! Web Site

Sweet! Fucking awesome!
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 05:30:15 PM

Find a sex offender:

Find a registered Sex Offender Near You. This web site I think is the best. It actually maps out location and offers a photo. Sweet! Web Site

Sweet! Fucking awesome!
i bet it is only for the U.S.
that is how hadron and peter were able to fly in under the radar.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 05:33:10 PM
I think this guy needs help. Which seems to be unavailible to him. Certianly not this riduclous order on him. Personally, i admire him for admitting he has a problem. What a shame noone will help him.

He admits that he is sexually attracted to little girls, but he does not want help, Hadron.  He doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to little girls.  He was stalking children and taking their pictures, posting them on his pedophile website for other pedophiles to see and  :wanker:  He may have been saying that this was only so other pedophiles could have opportunities to see little girls and "hug" and "cuddle" them, but what do you think pedophiles would really do with this information?  He said that he thought that actual sexual contact with three year old little girls should be "consentual".  That makes me want to throw up!  How could a child give informed consent to an adult man for sexual activity?  If I caught him stalking my daughter and taking her picture to post on his pedophile website, I would want to make sure that he would pee sitting down for the rest of his life.  :swords:
Other people out there have far more dangerous vices than this man. As long as he doesnt act on said atraction, i see no real issue. At the end of the day he hasnt sexually abused kids directly, otherwise he would be banged up for it. You cant punish people for their beliefs, no matter how repugent you hold them. Their actions, however you can. Obviously, he is sick, but he needs help, not ostracisation. You do know that there is a political party that advocates this stuff in Holland (and more, perfectly legally). If paedophiles can be open about their problems, then many sexual attacks could be avoided with the correct treatment. Personally I would rather they were given the oppotunity to masterbate over pictures, than carry out their fantasies for real.

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.
Some start there true. But then its like saying that people who drink alcohol are automatically becoming drink drivers. Most are satisfied with the beer.

Not some, all Hadron.  I doubt an analogy about beer is hardly relevant in this instance.  Children aren't for sexual pleasure of any sort for adults.  How would you feel if you found out that some guy had been whacking off to photos of you when you were two? 
I wouldnt be happy. But these photos are now out there, so it makes little difference. If that collection was more accessible to paedos then maybe less photos would be taken. If I didnt know, i would not care at all.
McJ, i see them as ill people who need treatment before they become a real problem. Making them hide away experates the problem. Imagine if being an aspie was equally stigmatised, how many more Cho Seung Huis would we get?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 05:35:22 PM
do you mean forcing them into shame and hiding only exacerbates the problem?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
Hadron, I'm not an expert, but quite simply, even if people could be rehabilitated, I just don't think they could be trusted.  And probably, really why does someone who harms a child in that way EVER deserve a second chance?

My one of my best friends at school, a male, was molested when he was 2-3 years old.  He doesn't talk about it to many people or often, but he has confided in me what it has done to his life.  I've had other friends who were molested also, girls, but he was the youngest one.  And every person I have known who has been molested has had their life and self esteem affected by it. 

NO, sexual offenders of children, do not deserve a second chance because their victims DO NOT get a second chance to erase what happened to them. 
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 06:28:08 PM
Hadron, I'm not an expert, but quite simply, even if people could be rehabilitated, I just don't think they could be trusted.  And probably, really why does someone who harms a child in that way EVER deserve a second chance?

My one of my best friends at school, a male, was molested when he was 2-3 years old.  He doesn't talk about it to many people or often, but he has confided in me what it has done to his life.  I've had other friends who were molested also, girls, but he was the youngest one.  And every person I have known who has been molested has had their life and self esteem affected by it. 

NO, sexual offenders of children, do not deserve a second chance because their victims DO NOT get a second chance to erase what happened to them. 
You can chemically castrate these people _+ give them decent psych help, like they do in Denmark Surprisingly there system works way better than the UK's, Aus and USA's system. The secrecy surronding the problem causes these kids to be sexually abused in the first place.
McJ, got it in one.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 06:44:28 PM
i wasn't making an excuse for your statement, i was just trying to understand your reasoning.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 06:45:26 PM
i wasn't making an excuse for your statement, i was just trying to understand your reasoning.
No you do understand me a little. I suppose you are probably not loopy enough to get me.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: McGiver on August 04, 2007, 06:46:41 PM
i wasn't making an excuse for your statement, i was just trying to understand your reasoning.
No you do understand me a little. I suppose you are probably not loopy enough to get me.
i am when i am at my least lucid state!
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 06:48:20 PM
Hadron, I'm not an expert, but quite simply, even if people could be rehabilitated, I just don't think they could be trusted.  And probably, really why does someone who harms a child in that way EVER deserve a second chance?

My one of my best friends at school, a male, was molested when he was 2-3 years old.  He doesn't talk about it to many people or often, but he has confided in me what it has done to his life.  I've had other friends who were molested also, girls, but he was the youngest one.  And every person I have known who has been molested has had their life and self esteem affected by it. 

NO, sexual offenders of children, do not deserve a second chance because their victims DO NOT get a second chance to erase what happened to them. 
You can chemically castrate these people _+ give them decent psych help, like they do in Denmark Surprisingly there system works way better than the UK's, Aus and USA's system. The secrecy surronding the problem causes these kids to be sexually abused in the first place.
McJ, got it in one.

I think more money should be spent on educating parents about how easily a child can be abused.  It takes a split second for a man to flash his penis at a child.  And no, it shouldn't be a secret.  I'm all for public stonings  ;)
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 06:53:29 PM
Hadron, I'm not an expert, but quite simply, even if people could be rehabilitated, I just don't think they could be trusted.  And probably, really why does someone who harms a child in that way EVER deserve a second chance?

My one of my best friends at school, a male, was molested when he was 2-3 years old.  He doesn't talk about it to many people or often, but he has confided in me what it has done to his life.  I've had other friends who were molested also, girls, but he was the youngest one.  And every person I have known who has been molested has had their life and self esteem affected by it. 

NO, sexual offenders of children, do not deserve a second chance because their victims DO NOT get a second chance to erase what happened to them. 
You can chemically castrate these people _+ give them decent psych help, like they do in Denmark Surprisingly there system works way better than the UK's, Aus and USA's system. The secrecy surronding the problem causes these kids to be sexually abused in the first place.
McJ, got it in one.

I think more money should be spent on educating parents about how easily a child can be abused.  It takes a split second for a man to flash his penis at a child.  And no, it shouldn't be a secret.  I'm all for public stonings  ;)
So, the guy has just given the kid an extra biology lesson. I am probably too doolaly to care tonight.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 07:01:22 PM
that sounds like a brilliant idea for a thread!  i think you should start one.  :laugh:

make it "excessively drunk/tired/insane", though, cos that'll catch more people.  ;)

 :plus:

Isn't the drunk posting thread enough?
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 07:02:04 PM

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.

Unlikely. It usually starts by being molested as
a child.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 07:03:01 PM
would you consider a grown adult being SEXUALLY attracted to little kids a preference, or a fetish?

Neither. An illness. It's too harmful to be a mere fetish.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 07:07:09 PM
Hadron, I'm not an expert, but quite simply, even if people could be rehabilitated, I just don't think they could be trusted.  And probably, really why does someone who harms a child in that way EVER deserve a second chance?

It doesn't seem like they can be rehabilitated. At least
not in general.

Quote
NO, sexual offenders of children, do not deserve a second chance because their victims DO NOT get a second chance to erase what happened to them. 

I don't buy the law as punishment.
Deterrence or rehab, yes. But, if
someone can be made reasonable,
they should be. The problem is that
we can't, in many cases.

Here, keeping pedo's away from children
seems reasonable. So, we need a pedo section
in restaurants. I'll take my seating in there, just
to avoid the evil little brats.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 07:08:36 PM

You can chemically castrate these people

You think this works? I don't know, but I do know
that physical castration does not. The urges are psychological,
and like rapists, it's not a matter of having to use your dick.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 07:09:35 PM

You can chemically castrate these people

You think this works? I don't know, but I do know
that physical castration does not. The urges are psychological,
and like rapists, it's not a matter of having to use your dick.
Yes, it reduces testosterone levels, where as cutting off a mans penis does not.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 07:17:05 PM

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.

Unlikely. It usually starts by being molested as
a child.

I actually don't believe all of that.  I do agree that in some cases, it plants the seed, but not all.  Otherwise one in five women would be pedophiles, wouldn't they?   
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 04, 2007, 07:20:30 PM

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.

Unlikely. It usually starts by being molested as
a child.

I actually don't believe all of that.  I do agree that in some cases, it plants the seed, but not all.  Otherwise one in five women would be pedophiles, wouldn't they?   

Hmm...I forgot about women. From my experience,
they tend to exhibit other traits, as survivors.

I always wondered where my tastes came from.
Probably got tied up by a bunch of squirrels when
young.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Scrapheap on August 04, 2007, 09:06:10 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.

I'll sleep much better tonight knowing that.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 09:08:26 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.

I'll sleep much better tonight knowing that.
Sweet Dreams.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Callaway on August 04, 2007, 09:09:36 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.

I'll sleep much better tonight knowing that.

Why, how many illegal actions have you committed so far?

Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Scrapheap on August 04, 2007, 09:10:41 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.

I'll sleep much better tonight knowing that.

Why, how many illegal actions have you committed so far?



I ran a stoplight on my way home.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Callaway on August 04, 2007, 09:18:18 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.

I'll sleep much better tonight knowing that.

Why, how many illegal actions have you committed so far?



I ran a stoplight on my way home.

You scofflaw!   :P

Try to be more careful next time.  Some of those stoplights have cameras that take your picture if you run them.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Callaway on August 04, 2007, 09:31:26 PM
what rubbish that last bit is, peter.  i have to say, i'm reading your posts with half of the siberian salt mines, as you're already made your predilictions clear.

What would your predilection be?  The mobbing of those who express an unpopular sexual preference?  This man is literally not allowed to work as a result of this court order, and is living in a car on benefits, which I'm sure makes him a far more stable and law-abiding citizen than he was before.

Where did you read that he was living in a car, Peter?  I read that he is unemployed and lives with his parents, but he already was when he ran the how-to website for pedophiles.  By the way, he said that running the website made him even more attracted to little girls, not less.  It was shut down and I think that was a good thing.  I can imagine how uncomfortable a parent would be with their child's photo being displayed on a how-to site for pedophiles.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Scrapheap on August 04, 2007, 09:48:44 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 09:51:00 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Scrapheap on August 04, 2007, 09:52:37 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 10:02:05 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't

And many teachers are pedophiles.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 10:04:33 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't

And many teachers are pedophiles.
Its often obvious which, I had two teachers down as ones when i went to my secondary school. Both were almost blatent. As for the cops being criminals, i remember a report that was released in the UK, that basically said that.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Eclair on August 04, 2007, 10:07:24 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't

And many teachers are pedophiles.

Its often obvious which, I had two teachers down as ones when i went to my secondary school. Both were almost blatent. As for the cops being criminals, i remember a report that was released in the UK, that basically said that.

The concept is, people will put themselves in the best place to create opportunity to access the things they want.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 04, 2007, 10:12:05 PM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't

And many teachers are pedophiles.

Its often obvious which, I had two teachers down as ones when i went to my secondary school. Both were almost blatent. As for the cops being criminals, i remember a report that was released in the UK, that basically said that.

The concept is, people will put themselves in the best place to create opportunity to access the things they want.
Oh yes, that is why i was wary when i was at school. Both those teachers took "early retirement" though.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Lucifer on August 05, 2007, 12:31:35 AM

Um, where do you think pedophiles start?  Masturbating over pics...and then it becomes an urge that can't be controlled because they keep feeding it.

Unlikely. It usually starts by being molested as
a child.

I actually don't believe all of that.  I do agree that in some cases, it plants the seed, but not all.  Otherwise one in five women would be pedophiles, wouldn't they?   

excellent point.   :plus: when i can (having just plussed you for something else).
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 05, 2007, 04:10:59 AM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't

And many teachers are pedophiles.

Its often obvious which, I had two teachers down as ones when i went to my secondary school. Both were almost blatent. As for the cops being criminals, i remember a report that was released in the UK, that basically said that.

The concept is, people will put themselves in the best place to create opportunity to access the things they want.

That's why my life's goal is to be a Shepherd. :sheep:
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Peter on August 05, 2007, 05:54:08 AM
what rubbish that last bit is, peter.  i have to say, i'm reading your posts with half of the siberian salt mines, as you're already made your predilictions clear.

What would your predilection be?  The mobbing of those who express an unpopular sexual preference?  This man is literally not allowed to work as a result of this court order, and is living in a car on benefits, which I'm sure makes him a far more stable and law-abiding citizen than he was before.

Where did you read that he was living in a car, Peter?  I read that he is unemployed and lives with his parents, but he already was when he ran the how-to website for pedophiles.  By the way, he said that running the website made him even more attracted to little girls, not less.  It was shut down and I think that was a good thing.  I can imagine how uncomfortable a parent would be with their child's photo being displayed on a how-to site for pedophiles.

Quote from: http://www.komotv.com/news/7987267.html
McClellan is now living out of his car in Los Angeles and trolling for little girls in public places.

Once he finds them, he brags about it on his pedophilia Web site. Instead of Washington festivals, he now ranks L.A. parks and festivals for girl sightings.

"It really isn't just a sexual thing. It's the whole ambiance of children that I enjoy," he said.

McClellan says he got tired of Washington moms trying to chase him out. He even blamed KOMO 4 News for the move. In his blog, he states he left Washington because of "the flurry of media hysteria" over his Web site. He also complains about yet "another KOMO-TV" report on him.

"I'm not doing anything illegal," he said.

But following news reports, lawmakers began the push to outlaw what he's doing in the state of Washington.

"I felt the best thing to do is get completely out of there," McClellan said.

Quote from: http://www.vicezilla.com/views/index.php/2007/07/30/open_letter_to_jack_mcclellan_self_confe
Up until today, you have been somewhat elusive, mostly living in your car, and living off of “public assistance, the kind where you’re not allowed to work.” Those days are gone, because of your public admission of being a pedophile. Wherever you ‘park’ your home, you will be seen, watched, and observed, just like you secretly watch your unsuspecting young victims.

In other news, he claims he isn't taking pics of kids anymore:
Quote from: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291630,00.html
In a dramatic on-air confrontation, Tebo pressed McClellan to respond to allegations that he was still taking pictures of children.

"I don't do it anymore," McClellan said, adding that his latest Web site no longer was available online.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 05, 2007, 07:33:52 AM
on average, paedos get away with 111 illegal actions before they are caught.
I wonder how they calculated that statisitic.

Some cops went out and raped some kids untill they got caught.
I wonder how much the cops enjoyed it. My guess is alot.

All too often, cops and criminals are the same animal. One wears a badge and the other doesn't

And many teachers are pedophiles.

Its often obvious which, I had two teachers down as ones when i went to my secondary school. Both were almost blatent. As for the cops being criminals, i remember a report that was released in the UK, that basically said that.

The concept is, people will put themselves in the best place to create opportunity to access the things they want.

That's why my life's goal is to be a Shepherd. :sheep:
You sheep!
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: duncvis on August 05, 2007, 11:33:46 AM
I think he was actually saying he owns a pair of velcro waders. Run Flossie run! :sheeplove:
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Callaway on August 05, 2007, 12:01:47 PM
what rubbish that last bit is, peter.  i have to say, i'm reading your posts with half of the siberian salt mines, as you're already made your predilictions clear.

What would your predilection be?  The mobbing of those who express an unpopular McJual preference?  This man is literally not allowed to work as a result of this court order, and is living in a car on benefits, which I'm sure makes him a far more stable and law-abiding citizen than he was before.

Where did you read that he was living in a car, Peter?  I read that he is unemployed and lives with his parents, but he already was when he ran the how-to website for pedophiles.  By the way, he said that running the website made him even more attracted to little girls, not less.  It was shut down and I think that was a good thing.  I can imagine how uncomfortable a parent would be with their child's photo being displayed on a how-to site for pedophiles.

Quote from: http://www.komotv.com/news/7987267.html
McClellan is now living out of his car in Los Angeles and trolling for little girls in public places.

Once he finds them, he brags about it on his pedophilia Web site. Instead of Washington festivals, he now ranks L.A. parks and festivals for girl sightings.

"It really isn't just a McJual thing. It's the whole ambiance of children that I enjoy," he said.

McClellan says he got tired of Washington moms trying to chase him out. He even blamed KOMO 4 News for the move. In his blog, he states he left Washington because of "the flurry of media hysteria" over his Web site. He also complains about yet "another KOMO-TV" report on him.

"I'm not doing anything illegal," he said.

But following news reports, lawmakers began the push to outlaw what he's doing in the state of Washington.

"I felt the best thing to do is get completely out of there," McClellan said.

Quote from: http://www.vicezilla.com/views/index.php/2007/07/30/open_letter_to_jack_mcclellan_self_confe
Up until today, you have been somewhat elusive, mostly living in your car, and living off of “public assistance, the kind where you’re not allowed to work.” Those days are gone, because of your public admission of being a pedophile. Wherever you ‘park’ your home, you will be seen, watched, and observed, just like you secretly watch your unsuspecting young victims.

In other news, he claims he isn't taking pics of kids anymore:
Quote from: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291630,00.html
In a dramatic on-air confrontation, Tebo pressed McClellan to respond to allegations that he was still taking pictures of children.

"I don't do it anymore," McClellan said, adding that his latest Web site no longer was available online.

Thanks, Peter.   :)

 :plus:
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Calandale on August 05, 2007, 05:51:30 PM

You sheep!

No no. Me shepherd. You sheep.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 05, 2007, 05:59:55 PM

You sheep!

No no. Me shepherd. You sheep.
You no whack me with big stick.
Title: Re: Jack McClellan
Post by: The_P on August 07, 2007, 11:45:53 AM
Heh, my former boss is a convicted paedophile (now in jail). Even the charity workers are bile.