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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Icequeen on May 17, 2016, 06:52:04 PM
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A North Franklin Township man was arrested early Friday on charges filed by state police for allegedly sexually assaulting a girl over a five-year period more than 20 years ago at a South Franklin Township home.
Richard Eli Barlow, 32, of 166 Milbeck Drive, is charged with two counts of rape, four counts each of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse of an unconscious person, indecent assault of an unconscious victim, three counts of sexual assault and two counts of aggravated indecent assault. He was taken into custody by state police during a traffic stop about 1:30 a.m. Friday at Route 40 and The Road in Canton Township.
The alleged victim told Trooper Thomas Kress the assaults started around July 1993 when she was about 12 years old and continued until about August 1998. She said she was babysitting Barlow.
The alleged victim said Barlow would tickle her feet and armpits when she was sleeping. Then, when she was 13 or 14, she said she awoke to find Barlow having intercourse with her. She also alleged Barlow engaged in other sexual contact with her on more than one occasion when she had been asleep. The alleged victim said the incidents happened multiple times throughout her teenage years.
Barlow was arraigned before District Judge Traci McDonald and placed in Washington County jail on $100,000 bond. He is scheduled for a May 25 preliminary hearing before District Judge Ethan Ward.
Kathie Warco
If you do the math and read it over....the accuser was the "babysitter" she was 12, it started in 1993, making him 9, and went on for about 5 years making her around 17, and him around 13 or 14 when it ended.
How is this considered "rape"??
If anyone should have yelled rape it should have been him.
Sorry, I just don't get it. :P
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That's what happens when you sleep on the job. :zoinks:
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I'm all about prosecuting a child rapist 20 years later... but not when it's a nine year old boy. :zombiefuck:
Gender discrimination at its finest. He has a dick, therefore he must have been a rapist. Down with those evil dicks.
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So he was 9-13 or so when it happened but I am sure he will be prosecuted as an adult, his name was already released which it would not have if he had been charged before he was 18. I wonder what made the DA decide to go ahead with this one?
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This is just baffling. He must have been a scary kid.
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If he was a scary kid, wouldn't there be a pile of victims?
Think Py and IQ are right, bullshitting from the babysitter. Wonder if the boy will report rape by the babysitter.
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Jesus. Take it to court and during the proceedings, the judge should tell this woman that the man has had his reputation damaged irrevocably, and that she will get her chance to provide reputable evidence to convict him, HOWEVER if she cannot, she will be jailed instead.
Then they should bring in every paper that discussed this and sue them for damages.
This type of shit has to stop. It creates a culture of fear. It demonises men. It minimises and trivalises rape and makes things more difficult for women.
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
He-said/she-said. Unlikely a jury would convict.
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
He-said/she-said. Unlikely a jury would convict.
Depends on the jury. Get enough millennial SJW wankers on there and he'll be found guilty because of penis.
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It demonises men. It minimises and trivalises rape and makes things more difficult for women.
Not thinking it demonises men. It does make this woman look utterly stupid. And with this action indeed, she trivialises rape, making things more difficult for both raped men and raped women
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They even posted a picture of the guy in his jailhouse attire. :P
Honestly I hope he sues them all, I seriously think the whole thing is nuts, unless some critical evidence is missing in all this...I don't understand why they even charged him.
Will try and follow this one.
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don't understand why they even charged him.
Rape hysteria is sweeping the country just like the ritualistic Satanic child abuse scare of 25 years ago.
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
He-said/she-said. Unlikely a jury would convict.
I don't think they care about proving their case or prosecution. The court of public opinion has already ruined him beyond repair
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
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It's odd that he has been named, methinks.
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Journalism ethics protect the names of the alleged victim.
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
He-said/she-said. Unlikely a jury would convict.
20 year old He-said/she-said at that. Unlikely to convict or not he will still have to mount a defense, have his photo posted all over the net, name dragged through the mud, spend time in jail, court and live the rest of his life with a lot of people thinking he did it regardless of the outcome. The people behind all this deserve jail
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
He-said/she-said. Unlikely a jury would convict.
20 year old He-said/she-said at that. Unlikely to convict or not he will still have to mount a defense, have his photo posted all over the net, name dragged through the mud, spend time in jail, court and live the rest of his life with a lot of people thinking he did it regardless of the outcome. The people behind all this deserve jail
It was annoying the article left people to do the math, instead of coming right out and saying this is about a couple of minors very similar in age. Since he was the younger one, it also seems rather convenient for her, that she claims it stopped when she was seventeen. Nothing about it reads right. Twelve is old enough to be the baby sitter, but he needed a sitter until fourteen doesn't sound right either.
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
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Wondering how the prosecution is planning on proving rape.
He-said/she-said. Unlikely a jury would convict.
Depends on the jury. Get enough millennial SJW wankers on there and he'll be found guilty because of penis.
Good to have an expert opinion :thumbup:
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
But mugshot and name can be in the open before being proven guilty?
And is someone really in jail? Or in custody for a limited time during investigations? What if someone does not have the money to be bailed out? What if investigations take a long time? Will there be any kind of compensation? Or is a person just free game in this?
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
But mugshot and name can be in the open before being proven guilty?
And is someone really in jail? Or in custody for a limited time during investigations? What if someone does not have the money to be bailed out? What if investigations take a long time? Will there be any kind of compensation? Or is a person just free game in this?
Actually I am interested in this too
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
But mugshot and name can be in the open before being proven guilty?
And is someone really in jail? Or in custody for a limited time during investigations? What if someone does not have the money to be bailed out? What if investigations take a long time? Will there be any kind of compensation? Or is a person just free game in this?
Yes, an arrest is public record. Doesn't require a proving of guilt before the information is released. They are remanded to custody until trial. They have a constitutional right to a "speedy trial", but most of the time that's waived in order to adequately prepare. In a serious case, you can wait for trial for more than a year. If you are found not guilty there is no compensation.
It sounds worse than it really is. The vast majority of people arrested are guilty of what they are being tried for. The standard for an arrest is rather high. Minor crimes usually have the bond set really low so everyone can get out. The amount required to be released is directly related to flight risk. You are paying money to ensure your attendance at trial if you can't provide what the court thinks is an adequate amount to ensure you show up then you stay put until you are adjudicated.
Is this very different from you neck of the woods?
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
But mugshot and name can be in the open before being proven guilty?
And is someone really in jail? Or in custody for a limited time during investigations? What if someone does not have the money to be bailed out? What if investigations take a long time? Will there be any kind of compensation? Or is a person just free game in this?
Yes, an arrest is public record. Doesn't require a proving of guilt before the information is released. They are remanded to custody until trial. They have a constitutional right to a "speedy trial", but most of the time that's waived in order to adequately prepare. In a serious case, you can wait for trial for more than a year. If you are found not guilty there is no compensation.
It sounds worse than it really is. The vast majority of people arrested are guilty of what they are being tried for. The standard for an arrest is rather high. Minor crimes usually have the bond set really low so everyone can get out. The amount required to be released is directly related to flight risk. You are paying money to ensure your attendance at trial if you can't provide what the court thinks is an adequate amount to ensure you show up then you stay put until you are adjudicated.
Is this very different from you neck of the woods?
I've no idea. I know that the wait times here are 14 weeks. As to cost and arrests and how readily available the arrested's details are available to the media? No idea.
What protections have such people got ONCE details are leaked and name is dragged through the mud PRIOR to being let off or the case being dismissed? (Obviously monetary compensation EVEN after the rigour of a trial on suing someone is often no real compensation to reputation)
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
But mugshot and name can be in the open before being proven guilty?
And is someone really in jail? Or in custody for a limited time during investigations? What if someone does not have the money to be bailed out? What if investigations take a long time? Will there be any kind of compensation? Or is a person just free game in this?
Yes, an arrest is public record. Doesn't require a proving of guilt before the information is released. They are remanded to custody until trial. They have a constitutional right to a "speedy trial", but most of the time that's waived in order to adequately prepare. In a serious case, you can wait for trial for more than a year. If you are found not guilty there is no compensation.
It sounds worse than it really is. The vast majority of people arrested are guilty of what they are being tried for. The standard for an arrest is rather high. Minor crimes usually have the bond set really low so everyone can get out. The amount required to be released is directly related to flight risk. You are paying money to ensure your attendance at trial if you can't provide what the court thinks is an adequate amount to ensure you show up then you stay put until you are adjudicated.
Is this very different from you neck of the woods?
I've no idea. I know that the wait times here are 14 weeks. As to cost and arrests and how readily available the arrested's details are available to the media? No idea.
What protections have such people got ONCE details are leaked and name is dragged through the mud PRIOR to being let off or the case being dismissed?
Nothing. An arrest is public record and even has to be disclosed on job applications if asked. An arrest can ruin your life, even if you did nothing wrong. We have the highest percentage of incarcerated citizens in the world. Much higher than Russia or China. 5% of the world's population and 25% of its inmates. We privatized the system so that giant corporations make shit-tons of money off the incarcerated, so they have armies of lobbyists pushing congress for stricter laws, longer mandatory sentencing, etc. The system doesn't give a shit about the individual, there is money to be made! If someone is arrested and can't find work they will eventually fall into a life of crime, get arrested, and make someone a profit. It's the American Way.
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Honestly I hope he sues them all
Agreed.
Yes.
What happened to not guilty till proven to be guilty? Why is this man in jail? Makes no sense to me. Can he sue the system for this too?
We don't have to convict to put someone in jail. They have to be offered bail in most non-capital cases, which he has been.
But mugshot and name can be in the open before being proven guilty?
And is someone really in jail? Or in custody for a limited time during investigations? What if someone does not have the money to be bailed out? What if investigations take a long time? Will there be any kind of compensation? Or is a person just free game in this?
Yes, an arrest is public record. Doesn't require a proving of guilt before the information is released. They are remanded to custody until trial. They have a constitutional right to a "speedy trial", but most of the time that's waived in order to adequately prepare. In a serious case, you can wait for trial for more than a year. If you are found not guilty there is no compensation.
It sounds worse than it really is. The vast majority of people arrested are guilty of what they are being tried for. The standard for an arrest is rather high. Minor crimes usually have the bond set really low so everyone can get out. The amount required to be released is directly related to flight risk. You are paying money to ensure your attendance at trial if you can't provide what the court thinks is an adequate amount to ensure you show up then you stay put until you are adjudicated.
Is this very different from you neck of the woods?
I've no idea. I know that the wait times here are 14 weeks. As to cost and arrests and how readily available the arrested's details are available to the media? No idea.
What protections have such people got ONCE details are leaked and name is dragged through the mud PRIOR to being let off or the case being dismissed?
Nothing. An arrest is public record and even has to be disclosed on job applications if asked. An arrest can ruin your life, even if you did nothing wrong. We have the highest percentage of incarcerated citizens in the world. Much higher than Russia or China. 5% of the world's population and 25% of its inmates. We privatized the system so that giant corporations make shit-tons of money off the incarcerated, so they have armies of lobbyists pushing congress for stricter laws, longer mandatory sentencing, etc. The system doesn't give a shit about the individual, there is money to be made! If someone is arrested and can't find work they will eventually fall into a life of crime, get arrested, and make someone a profit. It's the American Way.
Holy shit!
I had no idea. I am dumbfounded. We have a 5 year criminal record here for all major crime. After that the crime is struck off the record if it is minor. Your crime is ONLY recorded IF you are convicted here.
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Here you can have your record as a minor expunged or you get a one-time petition to the court to have one charge removed. Other than that, it stays with you for life. In my state the records are publicly accessible on the interwebz and include traffic violations.
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Here you can have your record as a minor expunged or you get a one-time petition to the court to have one charge removed. Other than that, it stays with you for life. In my state the records are publicly accessible on the interwebz and include traffic violations.
Damn!
Here your minor records effectively and automatically disappear on your 18th Birthday.
Major crimes after your 18th birthday stay on your record.
Due to privacy laws, the details will not be posted around BUT may be shown in public court records and may even make it into papers.
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We have some pretty stern privacy laws here, too.
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What you describe is really scary, Hubert.
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America has been a police state since at least the 1980's.
This is one of the few issues I'd agree with Hoobert on.
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Excuse me for necro-ing this. i missed this, when posted, and only just stumbled upon it. It's a really puzzling case. It's hard to see how it's in anybody's interests to pursue it, isn't it? OK, so the girl is protected by anonymity, but the people close to her would know who she is. And unless they are completely stupid, she's likely to look bad in their eyes.
There's too little info there to come anywhere close to making a judement on anybody, IMO. And if we make judgements on the girl, on the basis of that report, I don't think that makes us any better than the people who decide that the guy must be guilty.
I've been stuck by a few possibilities that might (or might ) explain this thing:
Maybe he got the girl pregnant? And maybe it's only recently emerged who the father is? That would leave the girl with a lot of difficult questions to answer, and perhaps the possibility of her being the one in the dock? In any case, that would explain where the evidence is coming from.
She might not have wanted to pursue this thing at all, but she might have been pressured into it.
Also the thought strikes me that maybe the boy grew up to be a seriel offender? Maybe this is the only really solid case they have against him (however unsolid it looks from that report).
Or maybe there's a really weird situation there that nobody's guessed and nobody's ever going to guess.
Or maybe people are right when they declare that everyone involved is about-an-out bastard or drooling idiot, except for the accused. Wouldn't be the first time. But there's room to believe it's the other way round.
Have any more details emerged since this report?
-Walkie
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Excuse me for necro-ing this.
Necrobumping is highly frowned upon on this site!!! :soapbox:
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Necrobumping is highly frowned upon on this site!!! :soapbox:
Only when you do it.
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Necrobumping is highly frowned upon on this site!!! :soapbox:
Only when you do it.
...and S_B is around to bitch about it. :laugh:
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This guy was charged back in May, but nothing has appeared about this since.
I'm guessing he is either still awaiting trial, or this was dropped. :dunno:
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He needs to sue
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He needs to sue
Definitely.
I think maybe her name should be put on the sex offender list.
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This guy was charged back in May, but nothing has appeared about this since.
I'm guessing he is either still awaiting trial, or this was dropped. :dunno:
The whole court system is fucked up things get postponed and moved around so much it can be a year or more before the case is heard what really sucks is a lot of the time it's done at the last minute
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Nothing. An arrest is public record and even has to be disclosed on job applications if asked. An arrest can ruin your life, even if you did nothing wrong. We have the highest percentage of incarcerated citizens in the world. Much higher than Russia or China. 5% of the world's population and 25% of its inmates. We privatized the system so that giant corporations make shit-tons of money off the incarcerated, so they have armies of lobbyists pushing congress for stricter laws, longer mandatory sentencing, etc. The system doesn't give a shit about the individual, there is money to be made! If someone is arrested and can't find work they will eventually fall into a life of crime, get arrested, and make someone a profit. It's the American Way.
yup.
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I say again
... if we make judgements on the girl, on the basis of that report, I don't think that makes us any better than the people who decide that the guy must be guilty.
-Walkie
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I'm making judgements on the basis of stupidity.
I think it's pretty messed up to wait 20 years to ruin someone's life, especially when they where both underage.
She was 3 years older than him, by calculations he couldn't have been older than 9 or 10 when this started.
So you get sexually assaulted by the kid you are babysitting? Yep, I definitely would continue to babysit him for 5 more years. :LOL:
She is either mentally impaired (which would be the only thing that "might" make me understand this a little), a special kind of stupid, or this was two kids playing around and 20 years later someone has regrets and is trying to redeem themselves.
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I'm making judgements on the basis of stupidity.
I think it's pretty messed up to wait 20 years to ruin someone's life, especially when they where both underage.
She was 3 years older than him, by calculations he couldn't have been older than 9 or 10 when this started.
So you get sexually assaulted by the kid you are babysitting? Yep, I definitely would continue to babysit him for 5 more years. :LOL:
She is either mentally impaired (which would be the only thing that "might" make me understand this a little), a special kind of stupid, or this was two kids playing around and 20 years later someone has regrets and is trying to redeem themselves.
so you either don't think much to my ideas? or didn't read 'em? (not that I could blame you for the latter. Just trying to clarify)
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so you either don't think much to my ideas? or didn't read 'em? (not that I could blame you for the latter. Just trying to clarify)
Nope, I read them.
If there is a child, that child is just about grown now and to me that still wouldn't justify it.
...and if he is a serial offender and this is the only concrete evidence they have on him, I would think they would need a lot more than this and it's a rather lame move.
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I'm with IQ here.
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so you either don't think much to my ideas? or didn't read 'em? (not that I could blame you for the latter. Just trying to clarify)
Nope, I read them.
If there is a child, that child is just about grown now and to me that still wouldn't justify it.
...and if he is a serial offender and this is the only concrete evidence they have on him, I would think they would need a lot more than this and it's a rather lame move.
I read them roo and I am with IQ.
There is a huge difference between how victims of sexual abuse are treated dependant on gender of their attacker and themselves.
In recent times many of the teachers accused of having serially assaulted students are women and their victims boys. When it is men assaulting schoolgirls, it is seen as rape and pretty cut and dried. When the teacher is female, that all changes, words like "affair" are bandied about and even suggestions as to her fragile mental state and therapy and how sorry she is.this affect the sentence.
It is society's fault.
The other side of this is false accusations. More and more I see the impact in news of false rape accusations against men and the cover false claimant women are given.
I think false claims of rape are close to evil. The defence people make is what woman would do that? The list of reasons is long and the list of women who do is longer. The list on false claimant women being prosecutes is rather short.
I think this is a horrid example of a nasty woman trying to destroy a man's life by destroying his reputation. He should defend himself and destroy hers.
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He needs to sue
Definitely.
I think maybe her name should be put on the sex offender list.
As said before, it's rather convenient for her that she claims it stopped when she was seventeen.
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One thing I want to clarify (not that I think anyone's necessarily taken it this way), whilst my rant is rather long and specific, I am not saying there are not scumbag men around nor even arsehole misogynist judges who do hurt real female victims of rape, but if I am honest I believe the other side of rape and domestic violence is rarely talked about and often marginalised when it is.
Rape, assault and abuse is terrible regardless of demographic. I think victims need support of society and false claimants need to be jailed. Regardless of gender
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If there is a child, that child is just about grown now and to me that still wouldn't justify it.
that was my thought exactly. Old enough to ask awkward questions, and to get genetic tests done, in an effort to find out the answers for himself. The guy might even be family, mightn't he?
That's one way of explaining why it might suddenly blow up at this point in time. It's not hard to imagine outraged family pushing the girl into pressing charges; and refusing to believe that she's innocent otherwise; or various similar scenarios.
Maybe she would be the one in the dock, otherwise? As some people have pointed out alread, she does appear to be more culpable than he is (if either are culpable) since she was the elder of the two. Maybe people on his side have made accusations against her, since the truth came out (however it came out) and counter-accusation was her only realistic defence.
That's just speculation , but still, i find that story a whole lot more credible than that anyone suddenly make an admission that refects so badly on herself, just to be nasty to the other party involved. There's got to be more to it that that.
I entirely agree with the general sentiments expressed in this thread, but only as generalities. This is an individual case , and we simply don't have enough info to judge that girl, nor anybody else. Not near enough info.
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There can be so many reasons why she did it now and nit before.
It's all speculation. I can do that too. Maybe he had become a teacher. Her kid is in his class, and failed to pass the year. Out of spite and bitterness the mother accuses the teacher. Ruining his carreer for ever.
Or maybe she just wanted his parking space. So many possible reasons. All speculation.
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He needs to sue
Definitely.
I think maybe her name should be put on the sex offender list.
As said before, it's rather convenient for her that she claims it stopped when she was seventeen.
I think here she would have been the one in serious trouble.
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Or maybe she just wanted his parking space.
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There can be so many reasons why she did it now and nit before.
It's all speculation. I can do that too. Maybe he had become a teacher. Her kid is in his class, and failed to pass the year. Out of spite and bitterness the mother accuses the teacher. Ruining his carreer for ever.
Or maybe she just wanted his parking space. So many possible reasons. All speculation.
That's the problem. 20 years later all the evidence is gone.
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It's a bizarre case.
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It's a bizarre case.
There are some really bizarre people in this state.
I think it's the frack water. :LOL:
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A North Franklin Township man was arrested early Friday on charges filed by state police for allegedly sexually assaulting a girl over a five-year period more than 20 years ago at a South Franklin Township home.
Richard Eli Barlow, 32, of 166 Milbeck Drive, is charged with two counts of rape, four counts each of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse of an unconscious person, indecent assault of an unconscious victim, three counts of sexual assault and two counts of aggravated indecent assault. He was taken into custody by state police during a traffic stop about 1:30 a.m. Friday at Route 40 and The Road in Canton Township.
The alleged victim told Trooper Thomas Kress the assaults started around July 1993 when she was about 12 years old and continued until about August 1998. She said she was babysitting Barlow.
The alleged victim said Barlow would tickle her feet and armpits when she was sleeping. Then, when she was 13 or 14, she said she awoke to find Barlow having intercourse with her. She also alleged Barlow engaged in other sexual contact with her on more than one occasion when she had been asleep. The alleged victim said the incidents happened multiple times throughout her teenage years.
Barlow was arraigned before District Judge Traci McDonald and placed in Washington County jail on $100,000 bond. He is scheduled for a May 25 preliminary hearing before District Judge Ethan Ward.
Kathie Warco
If you do the math and read it over....the accuser was the "babysitter" she was 12, it started in 1993, making him 9, and went on for about 5 years making her around 17, and him around 13 or 14 when it ended.
How is this considered "rape"??
If anyone should have yelled rape it should have been him.
Sorry, I just don't get it. :P
So let me get this straight, a nine year old boy started raping his babysitter when she was 12 and this continued on until she was 17 so this would make him 14 when it stopped?
Very bizarre. So he is being charged for rape from when he was a teen then.
Also I wonder why didn't she tell the parents about their son's inappropriate behavior and why did she keep baby sitting him? I would have quit and told the parents about it. Usually when a kid does that to another kid, it's a sign of sexual abuse. Nine is pretty young.
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So let me get this straight, a nine year old boy started raping his babysitter when she was 12 and this continued on until she was 17 so this would make him 14 when it stopped?
Very bizarre. So he is being charged for rape from when he was a teen then.
Also I wonder why didn't she tell the parents about their son's inappropriate behavior and why did she keep baby sitting him? I would have quit and told the parents about it. Usually when a kid does that to another kid, it's a sign of sexual abuse. Nine is pretty young.
Yep, that's one reason why I was wondering if the kids in question might actually be brother and sister. Quitting is not an option then is it? And yeah, ofc, probably one or both parents are abusive themselves. Case might be just the tip of the iceberg, mightn't it?
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I'm so confused about all this
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I'm so confused about all this
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Good. :zoinks: