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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: McGiver on January 04, 2007, 12:18:32 PM
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here in california (possibly the entire US), we have compulsory black history month in our educational system.
this to me is blatant PC correctness and racism.
why don't they have an Irish history month. German history month (excluding the world wars). what about French history month. or even a swedish cowardly PC bigotted month?
i mean i have no problem learning about the contributions by black folk in our countries history. but why can't it be as part of the normal studies. if i were black, then i would be offended that the history of my people were made to be seperate from the history of the rest of the cultures.
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here in california (possibly the entire US), we have compulsory black history month in our educational system.
this to me is blatant PC correctness and racism.
why don't they have an Irish history month. German history month (excluding the world wars). what about French history month. or even a swedish cowardly PC bigotted month?
i mean i have no problem learning about the contributions by black folk in our countries history. but why can't it be as part of the normal studies. if i were black, then i would be offended that the history of my people were made to be seperate from the history of the rest of the cultures.
I say the same about Autistic Pride Day and any such related nonsense.
What I don't get is that if people want acceptance from the society they are discriminated against, why do they continue to highlight their differences? "Olos, hay, I'm black, and my ancestors have been raped, abused, etc..."
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here in california (possibly the entire US), we have compulsory black history month in our educational system.
this to me is blatant PC correctness and racism.
why don't they have an Irish history month. German history month (excluding the world wars). what about French history month. or even a swedish cowardly PC bigotted month?
i mean i have no problem learning about the contributions by black folk in our countries history. but why can't it be as part of the normal studies. if i were black, then i would be offended that the history of my people were made to be seperate from the history of the rest of the cultures.
Do they tell you why this is?
A theory that went through my mind is that in all honesty, the history of the blacks differs from that of the Irish or the Swedes in the US. The latter two weren't kidnapped from their homes to serve white people for the rest of their natural lives.
I agree that it's a very PC thing to do. Racist I'm not sure about. Maybe it's someone's guilty consciousness talking?
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When I went to school in the dark ages We never had that problem.
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here in california (possibly the entire US), we have compulsory black history month in our educational system.
this to me is blatant PC correctness and racism.
why don't they have an Irish history month. German history month (excluding the world wars). what about French history month. or even a swedish cowardly PC bigotted month?
i mean i have no problem learning about the contributions by black folk in our countries history. but why can't it be as part of the normal studies. if i were black, then i would be offended that the history of my people were made to be seperate from the history of the rest of the cultures.
Do they tell you why this is?
A theory that went through my mind is that in all honesty, the history of the blacks differs from that of the Irish or the Swedes in the US. The latter two weren't kidnapped from their homes to serve white people for the rest of their natural lives.
I agree that it's a very PC thing to do. Racist I'm not sure about. Maybe it's someone's guilty consciousness talking?
or the african tribles traded their strongest for beads and baubles
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Yes, they always "forget" to mention that the blacks themselves held slaves in Africa and sold their "brothers" as slaves to the whites as well...
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Absolutely, you are both correct, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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did you know that the standard of living for a black person (living on the dole; welfare), here in america, is exponentially greater than their distant relatives working hard, in africa today.
i wonder if the black people here would rather trade their history in america and much of europe to live like the typical person in africa lives today.
this is just conjecture, i am not espousing racist drivel.
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It's an interesting question, McJ. I don't know. Let me ask you a question in return: do you think the living standard in the US for anyone on welfare would be as good as it is, without the slave trade?
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It's an interesting question, McJ. I don't know. Let me ask you a question in return: do you think the living standard in the US for anyone on welfare would be as good as it is, without the slave trade?
dunno!
i am sure that you are referring to slave labor creating much of americas wealth. though i doubt that, what about parts of europe?
i do agree that the tribes stupidly sold their strongest into slaver, thus killing the chances to reap harvests (dispite droughts).
america has gained much of its wealth do to its freedoms and its innovation. i doubt the slave trade had all that much of an effect, especially since trade was not a global force back then (barring slave trade, of course). it was the dutch who became wealthy off of slave trade, right?
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The Dutch earned money, yes, and the 'mericans gained workforce, and it's the workforce part I'm interested in. The Dutch probably got no lasting economical effects but I'm guessing.
I have no idea of how much the slaves contributed to the American economy but I doubt the contribution was insignificant. Certainly the African-Americans of today will argue that their contribution throughout your country's history was anything but. I'm not arguing anything here; I'm just returning the favor by asking another hypothetical that can't be answered.
Oh, and as for tribes selling their own, it wasn't always that easy. Many tribes did not approve of slavery, at all.
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The sad thing is that you can never trust humans, not even "your own kind". There were native Americans who voluntarily fought for the South in the Civil War and helped to capture escaped slaves... :(
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People are willing to overlook the reverse racism(kind of a stupid term, i know) while we pay back an imaginary collective guilt debt created by our ancestors that we've never met.
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If you think this is bad, have you heard about the Hispanic magnet school in L.A.?? They only teach in Spanish, AND they teach in history class that the Southwest U.S. is the rightfull territory of Mexico. There's also rumors that Latino supremacy is being taught there as well. This all of course, is paid for by the American taxpayer. :-\
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If you think this is bad, have you heard about the Hispanic magnet school in L.A.?? They only teach in Spanish, AND they teach in history class that the Southwest U.S. is the rightfull territory of Mexico. There's also rumors that Latino supremacy is being taught there as well. This all of course, is paid for by the American taxpayer. :-\
Really? :o Is it even legal for them to do that?
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If you think this is bad, have you heard about the Hispanic magnet school in L.A.?? They only teach in Spanish, AND they teach in history class that the Southwest U.S. is the rightfull territory of Mexico. There's also rumors that Latino supremacy is being taught there as well. This all of course, is paid for by the American taxpayer. :-\
Really? :o Is it even legal for them to do that?
Yes and no, they can have a school for Hispanic studies and teach in Spanish ( For the porposes of helping new imigrants) but they've corrupted the school and have kept it a secret untill a few months ago when a local news station did an expose on thier activities. I'm sure McJ remembers hearing about it.
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If you think this is bad, have you heard about the Hispanic magnet school in L.A.?? They only teach in Spanish, AND they teach in history class that the Southwest U.S. is the rightfull territory of Mexico. There's also rumors that Latino supremacy is being taught there as well. This all of course, is paid for by the American taxpayer. :-\
Really? :o Is it even legal for them to do that?
Yes and no, they can have a school for Hispanic studies and teach in Spanish ( For the porposes of helping new imigrants) but they've corrupted the school and have kept it a secret untill a few months ago when a local news station did an expose on thier activities. I'm sure McJ remembers hearing about it.
i have been living with my head in the sand for the past few months.
which news station, can we get a link?
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i have been living with my head in the sand for the past few months.
which news station, can we get a link?
It was chanell 4 that broke the story. I'll have to do some digging to get the link. (I'm not so good at finding these kinds of things)
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i have been living with my head in the sand for the past few months.
which news station, can we get a link?
It was chanell 4 that broke the story. I'll have to do some digging to get the link. (I'm not so good at finding these kinds of things)
that would be NBC, Los Angeles, for someone who is adept at searching for this type of stuff.
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What's Arnold planning to do about it?
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I hope the mexicans do win their el territory back against loco gringos. God bless Batallon San Patricio.
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did you know that the standard of living for a black person (living on the dole; welfare), here in america, is exponentially greater than their distant relatives working hard, in africa today.
i wonder if the black people here would rather trade their history in america and much of europe to live like the typical person in africa lives today.
this is just conjecture, i am not espousing racist drivel.
What were you trying to prove with it?
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Africans actually dislike American blacks. There's no special connection to any of the cultures on the good ol' ancestral continent. My African American Literature professor told me a poignant story about the time he briefly visited Africa, thinking he was going "home", and most of the people there hated him for being a sheltered American.
Despite what we call them, African Americans are about as American as you can get.
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The only blacks living outside Africa who have some connections whatsoever with their old culture might be the Haitians. Black American "culture" is merely a sub-culture of the same culture as the white Americans have.
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bump!
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There should be an I^2 for NTs.
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I say fuck racism. Can we not just forget it? Its irrelevant, and its bullshit. All this crap was done by people who aren't even alive anymore anyway! Who gives a flying fuck?
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I say fuck racism. Can we not just forget it? Its irrelevant, and its bullshit. All this crap was done by people who aren't even alive anymore anyway! Who gives a flying fuck?
It isn't irrelevant or bullshit.
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Yeah it is. It happened a long time ago, and nobody our age did it, so why should we care? Lets all just go have a beer! :zoinks:
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We should care because it's still there, just not as out in the open as it used to be.
I love it when straight white males bitch about how affirmative action is no longer needed.
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We should care because it's still there, just not as out in the open as it used to be.
I love it when straight white males bitch about how affirmative action is no longer needed.
I love how straight white males are a total minority, but still want things to just smooth over because they nowadays have nothing to do with what happened.
We weren't even born yet! What the fuck?
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Its almost like people just want something to be mad at.
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We should care because it's still there, just not as out in the open as it used to be.
I love it when straight white males bitch about how affirmative action is no longer needed.
I love how straight white males are a total minority, but still want things to just smooth over because they nowadays have nothing to do with what happened.
We weren't even born yet! What the fuck?
Minority? :lol:
It may be in the past for you because it doesn't affect you at all. It isn't for those people who are still getting discriminated against just because of their skin colour.
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They aren't.
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At least not in america. As a matter of fact a lot of black people openly think the word nigger is funny.
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So why do black people get followed in shops by security? Why do stop-and-search statistics show that policemen are more likely to stop a black person? Why are there still ghettos in America? I've been to Baltimore and I saw just how scary the difference between rich white areas and black poor areas is.
Again, just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it's not there. You, as a straight white male, are in the most privileged position in this society. It's okay for you to be selfish and say "screw the ethnic minorities" but it's not okay for you to say that racism no longer exists as that's a lie.
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So why do black people get followed in shops by security? Why do stop-and-search statistics show that policemen are more likely to stop a black person? Why are there still ghettos in America? I've been to Baltimore and I saw just how scary the difference between rich White areas and black poor areas are.
Again, just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it's not there. You, as a straight white male, are in the most privileged position in this society. It's okay for you to be selfish and say "screw the ethnic minorities" but it's not okay for you to say that racism no longer exists as that's a lie.
You're not taking into account that those areas of american society are really quite tiny. You'll have slums anywhere you go, and here in indiana its all toothless white trash. There are tons of rich black people.
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They aren't tiny. Sure there are poor white people too but it's easier for a white person to get rich. Also if a black person gets a good job, people are more likely to say it's because of affirmative action and not their own capabilities.
Also it's impossible for racism to ever disappear because it's natural, bad but natural. The only thing we can do is fight against it.
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When I say it, I mean it. Racism means absolutely nothing to me, and I am completely ambivalent to it. If I had my way, i'd erase it, and redistribute wealth.
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Why fight racism when it can't be eradicated? A fruitless battle.
The closest thing to stop racism is people to stop taking it out of context and in general stop being whiny cunts about it. In other words, complete apathy until nobody cares enough to get insulted by it. Also, the blacks etc. should stop enforcing their stereotypes and using the race card. They are just as bloody smart as the rest of us, fucking grow up and get that chip off your shoulders. ::)
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I said if I had my way. ;)
But I agree with shleed. Its stupid.
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Fighting racism is never stupid.
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Fighting racism is never stupid.
:agreed:
But isn't having a color blind society incompatible with affirmative action?
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But isn't having a color blind society incompatible with affirmative action?
Affirmative action doesn't work because it *is* a form of racism. Example: They'll choose an employee because he's black rather than his work experience or education to fufill their "diversity quota". While this is seen as a way to combat racism, it's really doing the opposite effect. It's enforcing it. Positive racism is still racism.
I believe race should not be a factor in jobs, education etc. It's not racist to not pick a black guy simply because the white guy is more qualified for the job, despite what some think. If the black guy is more qualified, then he'll get the job. Sadly people will have you believe otherwise because so and so minority will claim it's the government etc. putting them down, when in reality it's themselves. Those black kids who get into gangs, drugs etc. are only doing it because they *chose* to, using anything but themselves (some using the race card) to blame. They can easily better themselves and improve the conditions of their community if they bothered to continue their education, stopped being annoying cunts and actually get a job without appearing like some idiot. It *is* possible and many blacks have done so, the rest should get off their arses and do the same; if they want equality then they should contribute to society in equal terms.
As for the guilt nonsense, I don't care that white people pissed them about and turned them to slaves. I wasn't fucking born then, *they* weren't born then... so why should anyone care? Sure the past was cruel, but we need to move on and think of the present and future. None of this "black history month" bollocks in the US, "sorry day" in Aussieland and so on.
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Fighting racism is never stupid.
Racism is though.
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I see both sides of this argument.
On the one hand as Binty said there is still a lot of prejudice harboured by people who abuse their positions of power (I.e Police Officers) because fo their prejudice which needs serious attention as thats wrong.
But as for things like the MOBO's do we really need that anymore? why not just have music festivals/award ceremonies that way there is no singling out a skin colour , because in a way events like this seem to try and highlight a difference IMO. :-\
ok thats enough being sensible for today im heading back to the sex forum :zoinks:
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ok thats enough being sensible for today im heading back to the sex forum :zoinks:
:lol:
sex forum needs more threads to post in - I'm bored :(