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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Graelwyn on January 03, 2007, 11:51:30 PM
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I was curious as to whether anyone else has had IQ testing done, either as a child or adult, and if so, how do you rate the validity of these tests? What do you think they measure. My ex used to think IQ very important on the one hand, but on the other hand he was constantly refuting its cultural biases. I believe it measures only the basics you learn in school and if such tests are to be valid, they should cover more areas of intelligence as well as be multi cultural.
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i scored a 159 when i was a child.
i have always done very well on iq type puzzles.
however, i wonder if the drug abuse of my youth and age has had any affect on that number.
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They say it lessens as we get older anyway, unfortunately. They say drugs do affect intelligence, but I suppose it depends on the type of drug and how much you used. What scale was that using? I think I was tested using Wechsler as a kid and was 140s, as an adult, I got 155. I wont bother checking it again now as my thinking isn't always so clear due to thyroid issues.
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I had testing done about two years ago and scored 120 on both Verbal and Perfomance IQs.
Real life experience can count for a lot, I think, and IQ testing doesn't take that into consideration.
Since having ECT, my IQ has probably dropped by about 20 points. What a dumbass thing to do. :-[
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Unfortunately I was never tested as a child. That would have been against the Swedish equality principle, at least back in the 70s, when I was a child. I have been tested as an adult, though, twice by a psychologist at the hospital where I got my diagnosis and one time by the military before the service that I never did there. I've also done some online tests. Only once have I scored under 130, and that was when I was 24 and was in mental ward for a short period. I got 126 on the Binet scale. I was very depressed and on 3 or 4 antipsychotic drugs at the same time. My top result was about 145 (the scale wasn't that precise), but my average result is about 135.
My verbal intelligence is my strongest, though I'm aware that I do some spelling and writing mistakes in English here every now and then. I'm better at German, since there are more exact rules (of course ;)) in that language and especially spelling and grammar are more logical than in English. My verbal "IQ" (it's not a "real" IQ, since it's only a part of the whole IQ) is in fact about 200, though except for Swedish, I can only speak English and German fluently. I can understand Norwegian and Danish, but so can most Swedes, especially Norwegian is very similar to Swedish. I can read Dutch pretty well and understand many words and sometimes shorter sentences in Latin, Italian, Spanish and French.
My weakness is spatial intelligence. I only score about 100 on those tests.
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I think it was something like 135 math, 150 verbal when I was a kid, but haven't had it tested recently. The closest thing to an I.Q. test I've had done recently was the GRE, which is kind of the same thing (a standardized test with cultural biases that people put oo much importance on). I got a 680 math/performance and 600 verbal- because I hardly studied verbal at all and crammed like hell for the math.
BTW, I've said it before, I'll say it again: My typing skills reflect my coordination, not my intelligence.
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I am highest on verbal too. I think my poorest was spatial actually. But I also believe one can 'learn' to do better on IQ tests by doing a lot of them. My ex managed to improve his IQ score by 10 points doing this. Also, things like crosswords and other puzzles can help improve this. I did the MENSA test for my score, but I couldn't be bothered to join. It didn't interest me. I just wanted to prove to myself that I was as intelligent as people had claimed I was all my life. I was only tested as a child because my headmaster had told my parents I was probably below average. I was destructive in class, and would disobey rules and when I had finished my work, I would go around telling the other kids how to do theirs lol. So my father had me see a child psychologist to thumb his nose at the headmaster. :green:
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IQ tests -- some fine toilet paper to wipe my arse with.
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I am highest on verbal too. I think my poorest was spatial actually. But I also believe one can 'learn' to do better on IQ tests by doing a lot of them. My ex managed to improve his IQ score by 10 points doing this. Also, things like crosswords and other puzzles can help improve this. I did the MENSA test for my score, but I couldn't be bothered to join. It didn't interest me. I just wanted to prove to myself that I was as intelligent as people had claimed I was all my life. I was only tested as a child because my headmaster had told my parents I was probably below average. I was destructive in class, and would disobey rules and when I had finished my work, I would go around telling the other kids how to do theirs lol. So my father had me see a child psychologist to thumb his nose at the headmaster. :green:
Sounds a lot like me except that I was considered intelligent and a trouble-maker.
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I didn't make very much trouble. You have to be at school to do that. I attended maybe nine years' worth of school, k-12.
Then again, I got expelled in first grade. That was before I started skipping a lot.
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I am highest on verbal too. I think my poorest was spatial actually. But I also believe one can 'learn' to do better on IQ tests by doing a lot of them. My ex managed to improve his IQ score by 10 points doing this. Also, things like crosswords and other puzzles can help improve this. I did the MENSA test for my score, but I couldn't be bothered to join. It didn't interest me. I just wanted to prove to myself that I was as intelligent as people had claimed I was all my life. I was only tested as a child because my headmaster had told my parents I was probably below average. I was destructive in class, and would disobey rules and when I had finished my work, I would go around telling the other kids how to do theirs lol. So my father had me see a child psychologist to thumb his nose at the headmaster. :green:
Sounds a lot like me except that I was considered intelligent and a trouble-maker.
I was by most, but this particular headmaster took a real dislike to me. I was only 9, by the way. And my mother tells me one teacher at the school actually came up to me one day and shouted in my ear that he didn't like me, then left me crying outside by the road outside. My parents were furious.
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I was by most, but this particular headmaster took a real dislike to me. I was only 9, by the way. And my mother tells me one teacher at the school actually came up to me one day and shouted in my ear that he didn't like me, then left me crying outside by the road outside. My parents were furious.
That's evil. I would want to bite his head off and spit down his neck if he did that to my daughter. Was this a public school?
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I was by most, but this particular headmaster took a real dislike to me. I was only 9, by the way. And my mother tells me one teacher at the school actually came up to me one day and shouted in my ear that he didn't like me, then left me crying outside by the road outside. My parents were furious.
That's evil. I would want to bite his head off and spit down his neck if he did that to my daughter. Was this a public school?
One teacher hated me because I defended myself against the bullies. I was also 9 years old. But he was known as an arsehole. Another pupil in the school once threatened him with a knife in the classroom, which at that time was extremely rare at a small Swedish school on the countryside. I'm like 99.999% sure that he deserved it. He didn't even dare to report it to the police...
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I remember in the 7th grade, I had the superindent choke Me for just brushing up against Him, in front of everybody that was in the hallway saw it.
I have a average IQ 100 to 110.
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I didn't make very much trouble. You have to be at school to do that. I attended maybe nine years' worth of school, k-12.
Then again, I got expelled in first grade. That was before I started skipping a lot.
will you please tell us how someone gets expelled from the first grade?
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I was expelled from 3th grade for bashing some bullies' teeth and noses...
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I was expelled from 3th grade for bashing some bullies' teeth and noses...
fist to cuffs, or did you use a lead pipe?
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I was expelled from 3th grade for bashing some bullies' teeth and noses...
I've beaten up some prick once because he kept using me as a punching bag.
Unfortunately, his chums saw it fit to give me hell. Hence my early leave of Secondary School.
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I was expelled from 3th grade for bashing some bullies' teeth and noses...
fist to cuffs, or did you use a lead pipe?
I used my fists. But after that I promised my parents not to fight any more, and I kept that promise almost through the rest of my school time, which I now regret. I got bullied again, and I know damned well that I would have been feeling better today if I had gotten expelled again or even lost some teeth myself instead of taking shit that I didn't deserve from those creeps.
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Last time I was tested was three years ago. My results were 121 verbal, 90 performance...107 overall :-[
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Last time I was tested was three years ago. My results were 121 verbal, 90 performance...107 overall :-[
wow, and you still got a 3.75.
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What is "performance" by IQ testing? ???
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I was by most, but this particular headmaster took a real dislike to me. I was only 9, by the way. And my mother tells me one teacher at the school actually came up to me one day and shouted in my ear that he didn't like me, then left me crying outside by the road outside. My parents were furious.
That's evil. I would want to bite his head off and spit down his neck if he did that to my daughter. Was this a public school?
Not sure what you call them in the USA, but it was the only state school here I went to...ie, it was a free school. All the others I went to had fees to pay. I was badly bullied at all of my schools, but that was the only school where a teacher was so cruel. I hadn't remembered until my mother told me over xmas, and boy did that sting. My mother says she was furious and marched in and told him he shouldn't be teaching. And I believe she reminded him of the incident some years later when she ran into him in a store. She doesn't let people get away with things like that.
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The last guy to bully me at school I beat up quite thoroughly before the teacher managed to come between me and the bully. I was thrown out of the class and had a nice long chat with some forgotten official.
This was in prep school, what we call the gymnasium in Sweden. He never bothered me again. Until then, I had taken verbal and physical bullying for more than ten years, never really fighting back, never really doing anything beyond avoiding any troublemaker I could and fighting only when I had no other options.
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I was by most, but this particular headmaster took a real dislike to me. I was only 9, by the way. And my mother tells me one teacher at the school actually came up to me one day and shouted in my ear that he didn't like me, then left me crying outside by the road outside. My parents were furious.
That's evil. I would want to bite his head off and spit down his neck if he did that to my daughter. Was this a public school?
Not sure what you call them in the USA, but it was the only state school here I went to...ie, it was a free school. All the others I went to had fees to pay. I was badly bullied at all of my schools, but that was the only school where a teacher was so cruel. I hadn't remembered until my mother told me over xmas, and boy did that sting. My mother says she was furious and marched in and told him he shouldn't be teaching. And I believe she reminded him of the incident some years later when she ran into him in a store. She doesn't let people get away with things like that.
Good for your mother. She's right that he should not be teaching anyone. I would have put my daughter in a fee-paying school if I could have found one for her if a teacher did that. Over here, we call those private schools and we call the state-sponsored non-fee-paying schools public schools, but I know public schools are different where you live.
I was with my daughter last Sunday in a local restaurant when I saw the teacher who had abused her when she was in first and second grades. I thought about confronting her, but I did not want to cause a scene and upset my daughter, so I decided to ignore her. My daughter never noticed her, so I thought it was best to keep it that way. My daughter often talks about this teacher now and the things that she did to her, even though she told us almost nothing while the abuse was happening. Now she talks about wanting to make the teacher go talk to a judge because she thinks people tell the truth to judges. I told her that it is too late for that now, but if anything ever happens to her again, she should tell us right away and then it would not be too late.
I tried to find a private school that would meet her needs after that happened, but I could not find one anywhere near us that would be appropriate, so I begged the director of special education for the school district to move her from that school to any other public school and she did. It looks like my daughter will be going to a private school next year for sixth grade, with the school district's support. It will be about an hour's drive away from home, but it does look like it will be able to work better than any of the public middle schools in our school district. The middle school years are difficult even for typical children, I think.
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The last guy to bully me at school I beat up quite thoroughly before the teacher managed to come between me and the bully. I was thrown out of the class and had a nice long chat with some forgotten official.
This was in prep school, what we call the gymnasium in Sweden. He never bothered me again. Until then, I had taken verbal and physical bullying for more than ten years, never really fighting back, never really doing anything beyond avoiding any troublemaker I could and fighting only when I had no other options.
I slapped one girl in her face who bullied me in sixth grade and I kicked one girl and one boy who bullied me in ninth grade, but I was always so scared that I would get into trouble in school that I put up with a lot before I retaliated.
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Callaway, last Sunday, you did the right thing, I think. As much as you probably needed to gouge out her eyes, it would not have been good for your daughter to see her at all. Leaving that teacher in the past is best for her.
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Callaway, last Sunday, you did the right thing, I think. As much as you probably needed to gouge out her eyes, it would not have been good for your daughter to see her at all. Leaving that teacher in the past is best for her.
Thanks DirtDawg. My husband thought it was best that I ignored her too. I pointed her out to him so he could help me make sure our daughter did not see her if they happened to come near, but we talked about it later. He said that nothing good would have come from me confronting her. Our daughter has a difficult time controlling her behavior in restaurants as it is. To see the teacher would have made it much more difficult for her.
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I took an IQ test as part of some program to plan what we wanted to and what we were best suited for to do. This was 30-31 years ago and the best I can remember was the test score was in the 140-150 range. Don't remember what it said I was best suited for. But, since I didn't have a clue then as to what I wanted to do. It doesn't matter! My best recollection was that Nursing WAS NOT in the cards back then. ::) Or for that matter being a stay home dad and househusband! :laugh:
All I know is, I'm doing a helluva lot better than "people" thought I would be doing! 8)
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Callaway, last Sunday, you did the right thing, I think. As much as you probably needed to gouge out her eyes, it would not have been good for your daughter to see her at all. Leaving that teacher in the past is best for her.
Thanks DirtDawg. My husband thought it was best that I ignored her too. I pointed her out to him so he could help me make sure our daughter did not see her if they happened to come near, but we talked about it later. He said that nothing good would have come from me confronting her. Our daughter has a difficult time controlling her behavior in restaurants as it is. To see the teacher would have made it much more difficult for her.
wow, you probably did the right thing. i don't know if i could have contained myself.
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My IQ is Jell-O.
All of the IQ tests I have seen thus far either define intelligence in a really weird, counter intuitive way, or those that make the tests have no fucking clue what intelligence really is. And the shit that the IQ tests test is their half assed attempt to measure something they don't understand in the first place.
In short, I think IQ tests(unless they've created some good ones while I wasn't looking) are pretty much totally useless.
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meh, i believe in mind over matter. i believe in self confidence.
someone is told that they scored high on an IQ exam, then i think that person will one day have a very high intelligence quotient, if by sheer will.
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meh, i believe in mind over matter. i believe in self confidence.
someone is told that they scored high on an IQ exam, then i think that person will one day have a very high intelligence quotient, if by sheer will.
I believe that, too. My wife is a reverse example. She has dyslexia, but no one knew it and was constantly told that she just couldn't do well in school. She even had two different teachers tell her to give up on going to college, since she's just not going to make it. Guess what - she's also stubborn as a fence post and went to college for over two years, although didn't finish - after she learned about dyslexia, she dropped out and got a job doing what she liked to do. She is extremely intelligent, but had trouble with lessons, reading, (I don't have to tell you) and taking tests. When I met her, she was twenty six and just starting to realize that she wasn't as stupid as she had always been told, but see - it took years for her to get over the negative responses she had suffered, coming from every direction, even from teachers.
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meh, i believe in mind over matter. i believe in self confidence.
someone is told that they scored high on an IQ exam, then i think that person will one day have a very high intelligence quotient, if by sheer will.
I believe that, too. My wife is an example. She has dyslexia, but no one knew it and was constantly told that she just couldn't do well in school. She even had two different teachers tell her to give up on going to college, since she's just not going to make it. Guess what - she's also stubborn as a fence post and went to college for over two years, although didn't finish - after she learned about dyslexia, she dropped out and got a job doing what she liked to do. She is extremely intelligent, but had trouble with lessons, reading, (I don't have to tell you) and taking tests. When I met her, she was twenty six and just starting to realize that she wasn't as stupid as she had always been told, but see - it took years for her to get over the negative responses she had suffered, coming from every direction, even from teachers.
A similar thing happened to my husband, who also has dyslexia, DirtDawg. His mother would literally cry while she tried to help him with his spelling words and she became convinced school was just too difficult for him. She advised him to go to truck-driving school because he likes to drive and because she was convinced that he would never make it in university. He always said, "No, Mom, I'm getting a Ph. D. like my Dad."
He was even more stubborn than your wife and despite some really good grades in college mixed with some truly awful grades as an undergraduate, he applied to graduate school in Mathematics. At first he was rejected because of his GPA, so he appealed and was admitted, provisionally. He was told that he was the person with the lowest undergraduate GPA ever admitted to graduate school at that university. The reason why they admitted him was because he had extremely high grades in all the Mathematics classes he would need to satisfy a Master's degree, which he had already taken as an undergraduate, and he also had some stellar letters of recommendation from many of the professors in the Mathematics department. He earned his Master's degree in Mathematics in near record time. This included writing an original mathematical proof in his Master's thesis.
He has earned a Ph. D. now and of course he is a gifted mathematician. He is brilliant. I have tried to help him learn to spell some of the words he uses most often and he has learned to spell some of them. While of course he always uses a spell checker, I still proofread all the important documents that he writes because spell checkers can make mistakes.
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I did well in school until I hit 11, which was when I changed over to secondary school here. I can either put that change of achievement down to the abuse I had suffered just prior, or to some element of aspergers...or to bullying. Either way, the headmistress consistently told my parents that I could achieve so much more and was capable of a great deal but I didn't achieve highly. I had no interest in doing the work, apart from perhaps the English. I was more interested in pursuing my own interests of writing, making lists and obsessing over one thing or another, and I would often skip classes to be alone somewhere, doing my own thing.
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I agree with Dirtdawg about the reverse happening too- if people constantly treat you as if you're stupid then its hard not to believe that everyone was right about you. It wasn't till about 5 years or so ago that I really started to believe even a little that I wasn't stupid- I went to college to do a a-level psychology course and got A's on everything I handed in (the teacher even asked if he could keep a copy of one of my essays to hand out as a model answer). The way I was treated at school though its no wonder that even now I still think I'm stupid sometimes- I have mild dyslexia (I almost always have dictionary.com open in another tab when I post), mild dyscalculia (I often see numbers in a different order to what they really are), I was incredibly shy, clumsy, struggled with social skills, and to top it all off I was a blonde, well-developed, working-class girl. All this made me pretty much invisible to my teachers, other than those that were recommending I dropped down a level in subjects.
Even after the good grades I got a college and later on at university (before I had to drop out because of family issues) I still tell myself that I'm just faking any intelligence I show.
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Now that's a success story, Callaway.
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I still tell myself that I'm just faking any intelligence I show.
I always feel the same way, but I just keep trying, don't you?
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I still tell myself that I'm just faking any intelligence I show.
I always feel the same way, but I just keep trying, don't you?
Yes I do- I just wish it wasn't so hard to stop being so critical of myself.
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I know that I'm intelligent, but still I feel like a fake. How good it would be if every NT moron that really is stupid felt that all the time. But they almost never do.
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I still tell myself that I'm just faking any intelligence I show.
I always feel the same way, but I just keep trying, don't you?
Yes I do- I just wish it wasn't so hard to stop being so critical of myself.
I feel the same way, some days I hate myself for being so stupid! But, as DirtDawg said, I just keep trying no matter what. On the plus side it's pissed people off who wrote me off years ago!
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I feel the same way, some days I hate myself for being so stupid! But, as DirtDawg said, I just keep trying no matter what. On the plus side it's pissed people off who wrote me off years ago!
I've never really looked at it that way. I really need to find someway to stop myself always thinking 'you could never do that', I know it holds me back a lot but sometimes it can be so difficult to ignore that voice.
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I feel the same way, some days I hate myself for being so stupid! But, as DirtDawg said, I just keep trying no matter what. On the plus side it's pissed people off who wrote me off years ago!
I've never really looked at it that way. I really need to find someway to stop myself always thinking 'you could never do that', I know it holds me back a lot but sometimes it can be so difficult to ignore that voice.
Yeah, thats the same voice I hear all the time! It's particularly loud when I think about practicing the guitar. But, in the past, it was loud for everything. "Oh you'll never get your degree, you'll never have a relationship, give up, why bother, etc, etc. But, there was a part of me that would not give up, if one door closed, I kept looking for another or a window or even a crack in the wall to get thru and reach for what I wanted.
Everytime I try something new, I get this horrible feeling that I can't do it! But, if I don't at least try, I'll feel even worse! It's like a freakin civil war in my head! >:(
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I feel the same way, some days I hate myself for being so stupid! But, as DirtDawg said, I just keep trying no matter what. On the plus side it's pissed people off who wrote me off years ago!
I've never really looked at it that way. I really need to find someway to stop myself always thinking 'you could never do that', I know it holds me back a lot but sometimes it can be so difficult to ignore that voice.
On the positive side, we always are very encouraging to our children because we know how awful the negativity feels, aren't we?
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I feel the same way, some days I hate myself for being so stupid! But, as DirtDawg said, I just keep trying no matter what. On the plus side it's pissed people off who wrote me off years ago!
I've never really looked at it that way. I really need to find someway to stop myself always thinking 'you could never do that', I know it holds me back a lot but sometimes it can be so difficult to ignore that voice.
On the positive side, we always are very encouraging to our children because we know how awful the negativity feels, aren't we?
Yes totally- Caitlin in particular is very critical of herself and I'm determined to do all I can to help her get rid of this negativity. The thought that she's going to end up picking herself to pieces over every little thing like I do scares the hell out of me.
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PI, there is not an ounce of fake in you. i think you are one of the most intelligent and logical people i have encountered. though when you mix in your emotional side i begin to tremble in fear.
people have told you things, likely, just to keep you at their level. you are so much better than that.
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I feel the same way, some days I hate myself for being so stupid! But, as DirtDawg said, I just keep trying no matter what. On the plus side it's pissed people off who wrote me off years ago!
I've never really looked at it that way. I really need to find someway to stop myself always thinking 'you could never do that', I know it holds me back a lot but sometimes it can be so difficult to ignore that voice.
On the positive side, we always are very encouraging to our children because we know how awful the negativity feels, aren't we?
Yes totally- Caitlin in particular is very critical of herself and I'm determined to do all I can to help her get rid of this negativity. The thought that she's going to end up picking herself to pieces over every little thing like I do scares the hell out of me.
Amber can be critical of herself, but, fortunately, she seems to have evolved a very zen easy going sense of self. I grew up being picked to death and I was determined in fact, OC, about never doing that to her. Fortunately, Carla is also pretty easy going and helps me to keep from being sucked into the criticizing/negative part of my nature. Over the years I'v gotten better at that, as my real nature is more easy going. I have a hyper critical/negative darkside that has diminished with time. But, it's still there!
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I never doubted I was intelligent. I just doubted that it ultimately mattered in any way because I was so fucked up otherwise.
I didn't make very much trouble. You have to be at school to do that. I attended maybe nine years' worth of school, k-12.
Then again, I got expelled in first grade. That was before I started skipping a lot.
will you please tell us how someone gets expelled from the first grade?
It was a fantastically conservative christian school, so they were easily shocked. I was being bullied at home as well as at school and had a knack for being caught being violent, verbally or physically.