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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: sg1008 on May 03, 2015, 10:17:35 AM
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Pretty much sums up my sentiments about the media:
In One Quote, Morgan Freeman Said What Everyone's Thinking About TV Coverage of Baltimore
For many, this week's mainstream media coverage of Baltimore has left a sour taste. Various observers noted that news cameras and reporters became so obsessed with the riots that they forgot to paint the full picture of a troublesome history of police violence in Baltimore.
Leave it to Morgan Freeman to succinctly characterize those frustrations. In a recent interview with the Daily Beast, the actor succinctly voiced his exasperation with news coverage this week, and in doing so echoed the sentiments of many. First, Freeman posed one simple question: Where were all the cameras before the situation escalated into riots?
"People are saying, 'You were not all there when we were just talking and trying to make a point, but if we set something on fire, all of a sudden you're all here. Why is that? What's the difference?'" he asked.
"Fuck the media."
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A big problem in news coverage: News preoccupation with things like property damage diverts attention from the underlying conditions that caused them in the first place, and has misrepresented the situation in Baltimore as one characterized by chaos rather than frustration about an ongoing issue. What's more, community members have united in organizing peaceful demonstrations related to Freddie Gray's death and the aftermath in the city — images of which weren't being shown nearly enough in mainstream coverage.
With officers in the cases of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and Rekia Boyd all getting off the hook for killing unarmed black civilians, there's also a palpable fear about Gray's case following in the same trajectory. But that wouldn't be apparent from simply getting one's information from cable news stations transmitting nonstop images of the rioting.
twitter video: They not showing this on the news
https://twitter.com/Let_Me_Work/status/592802176851910657 (https://twitter.com/Let_Me_Work/status/592802176851910657)
Freeman also chided these networks for prioritizing detached commentary above reporting about the conditions being roundly condemned by protestors. Between station guests' attempts to blame single-parent homes for raising children who riot to anchors defending racially loaded language such as the use of the word "thug" to describe demonstrators, the news failed to capture the reality of what has led to the situation in Baltimore.
"Look at MSNBC, Fox News and CNN. Go between those three. There's a take, there's a take and there's a take. It's just commentary," Freeman told the Daily Beast. "CNN wants to be pure news, but the others are just commentary. They're just commenting on things."
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These frustrations run deep. As Mic noted before, one protester in Baltimore recently challenged Fox News' Geraldo Rivera off camera after the reporter described him as a "vandal."
"You're here for the black riots that happened," the protester said. "You're not here for the death of Freddie Gray."
Thanks to Freeman for summing up what so many have been thinking. Check out the full interview here.
[more links in the actual article below]
http://mic.com/articles/117136/in-one-quote-morgan-freeman-said-what-everyone-s-thinking-about-tv-coverage-of-baltimore (http://mic.com/articles/117136/in-one-quote-morgan-freeman-said-what-everyone-s-thinking-about-tv-coverage-of-baltimore)
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In case anyone doesn't know what's been going on...
Someone put this together, The Official Baltimore Syllabus :P
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B_oyOyu_tAwOVq5MY1oJL3orN6ps04O82JxWxnkGpho/preview?sle=true#
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It's difficult to say fuck the media, when the media gives people what they want to see. The wealthiest neighborhood in the local area had a fire some months ago which killed the entire family, and that's all the local news reported that day. There was at least one news helicopter, and at times as many as three helicopters hovering over the area for a solid twelve hours, and news trucks parked outside of the gates of the neighborhood televising up to date reports on speculations, while re-hashing every tragedy which had ever occurred in that neighborhood. It's not that it's so uncommon for houses to burn down or people to die in tragedy. What made that tragedy such helicopter fuel worthy news is people like watching rich people die as their house burns down around them. Will admit there's a side of me which is fascinated by civil unrest viewed from a safe distance. Fuck the media? Maybe just fuck me for liking that crap.
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It's difficult to say fuck the media, when the media gives people what they want to see. The wealthiest neighborhood in the local area had a fire some months ago which killed the entire family, and that's all the local news reported that day. There was at least one news helicopter, and at times as many as three helicopters hovering over the area for a solid twelve house, and news trucks parked outside of the gates of the neighborhood televising up to date reports on speculations, while re-hashing every tragedy which had ever occurred in that neighborhood. It's not that it's so uncommon for houses to burn down or people to die in tragedy. What made that tragedy such helicopter fuel worthy news is people like watching rich people die as their house burns down around them. Will admit there's a side of me which is fascinated by civil unrest viewed from a safe distance. Fuck the media? Maybe just fuck me for liking that crap.
True...yet I think its a give and take...you can try and "sell" the news with sensational reporting that could drive up an addiction to chaos porn, or you can simply "tell" the news. News has now become entertainment...which wouldn't be so bad if there was one major station that actually reported news...but when all the news is entertainment, directed at "customers", and there is no alternative voice, it has an impact.
I guess...thank God for the internet, where there is more freedom and choice.
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I guess...thank God for the internet, where there is more freedom and choice.
For now.
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That's the point; it's already a give and take. The news is entertainment based in the negative because that's what sells. Have made the statement before, that people are voyeuristic about other people's negative circumstances because it makes them feel better about their own lives. On some level it's sickening that people find contentment, and sometimes even self-worth, by comparison to people who have it worse than them. Though at the same time can recognize these things in myself, as some of my greatest fascinations are fully equal to my greatest fears.
Fear and revulsion; they are both my nemeses and my best friends.
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That's the point; it's already a give and take. The news is entertainment based in the negative because that's what sells. Have made the statement before, that people are voyeuristic about other people's negative circumstances because it makes them feel better about their own lives. On some level it's sickening that people find contentment, and sometimes even self-worth, by comparison to people who have it worse than them. Though at the same time can recognize these things in myself, as some of my greatest fascinations are fully equal to my greatest fears.
Fear and revulsion; they are both my nemeses and my best friends.
Hmm...I am not entirely sure that's why all people are kinda "fascinated" by chaos porn. I think its more out of an alarmed curiosity like "Omg how did THAT happen to you?? Is this something that is going to happen me too??" and then fishing for answers that will hopefully fail to predict a similar outcome for themselves. Like when a car crashes and all the traffic slows down to have a look, try to figure out what happened, then move on.
I think in the initial instinctual reaction, people see tragedy and imagine/fear that it is happening to THEM...so they pay attention...like empathy in overdrive...I guess evolutionarily if we saw a flood occurring, it WOULD be occurring to us, because there was no newspaper, video or photography long ago. And if you heard about a tragedy, it was likely your neighbor so you'd better pay attention. But nowadays, we're far more spread out and communications are instant...so there's another layer of detachment that has to insert itself after we "witness" a tragedy....and people scramble to either have an opinion, or have a way to get involved.
Problem is- if what people are witnessing is not the whole picture, and only selective journalism based on the initial instinctual trigger, then the subsequent opinions or methods of involvement that people develop could end up misguided... and that would be terrible for whatever the situation really is.
:GA:
I suppose some people get strange "satisfaction"...but honestly...I think the supposed satisfaction/pleasure is the adrenaline from witnessing tragedy....like how people like pretend to crash to the ground and die on rollercoasters, but then they don't and are left with a "high".
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Hmm...I am not entirely sure that's why all people are kinda "fascinated" by chaos porn.
Could be wrong about why, or maybe there's more reasons behind the why of morbid curiosity, but still, people don't want to watch positive news. Sometimes find my own interest embarrassing, so do find it interesting the things other individuals seek out in the media; sometimes it's chaos, death, some specific type of suffering, or it maybe some level of delight in stupidity or depravity. So much of tv is filler, fodder, junkfood for the brain; the news isn't any different and it's probably rare anyone is ever presented with the whole story about anything at all. It is what it is, and just happen to believe it's that way because that's what most people want it to be.
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Hmm...I am not entirely sure that's why all people are kinda "fascinated" by chaos porn.
Could be wrong about why, or maybe there's more reasons behind the why of morbid curiosity, but still, people don't want to watch positive news. Sometimes find my own interest embarrassing, so do find it interesting the things other individuals seek out in the media; sometimes it's chaos, death, some specific type of suffering, or it maybe some level of delight in stupidity or depravity. So much of tv is filler, fodder, junkfood for the brain; the news isn't any different and it's probably rare anyone is ever presented with the whole story about anything at all. It is what it is, and just happen to believe it's that way because that's what most people want it to be.
You mean....most people don't watch tv to learn something?? :tard:
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I don't really know that many people. :laugh:
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I don't really know that many people. :laugh:
lol. I have no idea how many people I know
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valid points...
I like to gather my info from quiet a lot of resources, and then form an opinion if I do at all...I will say that my heart goes out to the family of the deceased and how their wishes were not honored but taken advantage of by those that 'wish to stir up the pot' there are revel rouses who just
eh I find no reason why they do what they do other then to start stuff when in many cases it's expressed to not insight chaos because it really dose nothing but destroy property relations and fester a wound that could heal,
but doesn't because people don't want it to be it for bad news selling or they don't give a crap and want to burn stuff...
I will also say, working hard for something be it a cause, property etc...changes the point of view of 'hey perhaps I should not rush to destroy this or that' the aspect of working to secure something is a good thing,
because it gets energy out in a positive direction and the people that worked for whatever it was they did appreciate said thing, cause, movement more and are stewards of what they put there sweat into...
just a thought...
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Morgan Freeman earned his bazillions from the media. :zoinks:
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I guess...thank God for the internet, where there is more freedom and choice.
People are strange.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-social-media-gray-20150502-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-social-media-gray-20150502-story.html)
I will also say, working hard for something be it a cause, property etc...changes the point of view of 'hey perhaps I should not rush to destroy this or that' the aspect of working to secure something is a good thing,
because it gets energy out in a positive direction and the people that worked for whatever it was they did appreciate said thing, cause, movement more and are stewards of what they put there sweat into...
just a thought...
Not sure of what's being implied, but these statements come across as saying the rioters are people who aren't invested in their community through hard work, and thus don't mind destroying it. Civil uprising can be easy to condemn and criticize; probably have done it myself, but it's also difficult to pinpoint what exactly is an alternative.
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Fuck the media? Maybe just fuck me for liking that crap.
It's not just you. The 24-hour news cycle is the beginning of the end of the human race as we once knew it.
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I will also say, working hard for something be it a cause, property etc...changes the point of view of 'hey perhaps I should not rush to destroy this or that' the aspect of working to secure something is a good thing,
because it gets energy out in a positive direction and the people that worked for whatever it was they did appreciate said thing, cause, movement more and are stewards of what they put there sweat into...
just a thought...
Rioters are so dumb ... they burn their own houses down!
I am so tired of that trope. Thank all the gods that you grew up a white girl in a first world country so you never found yourself in a situation where burning down your own community seemed like a plausible reaction to the insurmountable systemic problems you faced.
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Fuck the media? Maybe just fuck me for liking that crap.
It's not just you. The 24-hour news cycle is the beginning of the end of the human race as we once knew it.
Don't even know how to operate the tv. The remote has a screen; what the crap? Feed my sickness in other ways. :M
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Privileged, colonialist oppressors getting their comeuppance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quW7LquykV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quW7LquykV8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY3uxMBgXpA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY3uxMBgXpA)
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Rioters are so dumb ... they burn their own houses down!
I am so tired of that trope. Thank all the gods that you grew up a white girl in a first world country so you never found yourself in a situation where burning down your own community seemed like a plausible reaction to the insurmountable systemic problems you faced.
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Rioters are a riot.
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Rioters are so dumb ... they burn their own houses down!
I am so tired of that trope. Thank all the gods that you grew up a white girl in a first world country so you never found yourself in a situation where burning down your own community seemed like a plausible reaction to the insurmountable systemic problems you faced.
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Rioters are a riot.
well...I have been to a 3rd world country (China) and helped folks there(I want to go back at some point and help again because I love helping out people)...
and I have a big heart, and honestly (reading civil disobedience good read highly recommend) if that is the reason for saying someone takes for granted xyz then it's a poorly founded argument to have...
personally I stay off the net (novel idea eh?) and read more, get out more, help people more and stay informed to a degree, but I am less impressed with myself the older I get
I make a difference where I can, and fart in the general direction of those that can destroy things just because they feel an itch to do so...
Leave your bit coins at the door, I have no use for them
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Sorry, I didn't follow most of that. Especially the part where you took to the net to tell me that you stay off the net. I just have to interject when someone calls China a third-world country. The cold war is over, and China was never unaligned. It supplied about two-thirds of the second-world citizens.
Or perhaps you were referring to the new (incorrect) usage of the term meaning a country with a shit economy. Except China overtook the US as the world's largest economy last year.
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Sorry, I didn't follow most of that. Especially the part where you took to the net to tell me that you stay off the net. I just have to interject when someone calls China a third-world country. The cold war is over, and China was never unaligned. It supplied about two-thirds of the second-world citizens.
Or perhaps you were referring to the new (incorrect) usage of the term meaning a country with a shit economy. Except China overtook the US as the world's largest economy last year.
Largest economy yes but with 1.3 billion people vs the US which has about 319 million what do you expect? Look at the per capita numbers and things are a bit different the US is 12th and China 99th
Link (http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/04/30/chinas-economy-surpassing-u-s-well-yes-and-no/)
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If you're well read then you know the story of Damocles. Except for the fact that those rioters have no power at all, there is some similarity.
I'm not saying that I would go out and join a riot, just that I understand.
Trips to China are made by the privileged. How did the trip to China help people with the same issues in this country? My ex went to China and couldn't wait to tell me, yet she makes no effort to help people in need in her own city. That would not meet her standard of elitism. Who could go to a party and say, "I went downtown and helped some homeless people?" Far better to talk about the people in need in China. That makes you a real humanitarian.
People who riot don't do it because they got an itch.
They do it because they got stepped on. Over and over. They do it because there is a boot, right there, waiting to step on them again.
Civil disobedience requires a level of organization that is crippled by pain, and by strong emotions like fear and anger. Because they worked to secure something (for example, their rights) and watched it get taken away.
Sure, there are opportunists and thieves among the rioters, but there are also very angry people who are angry because they got hurt, not because they took something for granted. It's caring that gets them hurt. I belong to an oppressed group; however I recognize that I have enjoyed a certain amount or privilege. But I can't take that for granted because I know my skin is a sign to others that they can take away, my privilege, my rights and my life if they so choose. No matter how much I get out, how much I read, how much I volunteer, I cannot erase the fact that those things will mean nothing if I am in the wrong place and someone with a weapon decides I am a threat. The boot is waiting.
It is people who take their privilege for granted who cannot see why anyone would riot.
If you can't see why people would riot, then you can't see.
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Speaking of China, I found this:
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On 19 September 2006, the Declaration of Independence of the Nations of High Asia: Tibet, East Turkistan and Inner Mongolia was read out in a conference room at the Capitol Building of the US Congress in Washington D.C.
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The declaration of independence was signed by the representatives of Inner Mongolia, Tibet and East Turkistan, and was also signed by the Taiwan representative since the declaration made a major reference to the threat that independent and democratic Taiwan was facing from China. All other delegates, including the Chinese, unanimously supported the declaration and the aspirations of the people of these nations for freedom and independence.
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[excerpt]"The Tibetans, the Uyghur people of East Turkistan and Mongols have traditionally desired only to live in freedom in their own independent homelands, but this desire has been thwarted and crushed by Communist China for over fifty years. It is a matter of history that Communist China invaded Tibet in 1949-50 overpowering and smashing a small Tibetan army defending its homeland. It is also the case that East Turkistan and Inner Mongolia were forcibly occupied by Communist troops in 1949. In no case did Communist China’s rule in these countries come about through the consent of the people or even through an accident of history.
Since then China has systematically undermined the ancient way of life of these peoples, first doing away with their legitimate governments, and then imprisoning, torturing and executing many of their traditional rulers, chieftains and spiritual leaders. When the people of these nations refused to accept these injustices and depredations, the Chinese Communist army and State Security organs crushed all such resistance with overwhelming violence. Millions of Tibetans, Uyghurs and Mongols were killed. Millions more were imprisoned or deported to forced labour camps (laogai). The people in these lands had, in the past, enjoyed a sufficiency in basic needs, but now the policies of the Communist government caused widespread crop failure, recurring famines and mass starvation where millions of people especially women, children and the elderly perished.
Under the slogan of revolutionary “struggle” (douzheng), the Communist administration in these regions coerced and forced the people to spy on and inform on each other, often employing even children to report on their parents and participate in public denunciations and “struggles”. All customary, in fact universal, human values of friendship, hospitality, trust, respect, tolerance, peace and compassion were regarded by the Communist authorities as “feudal” and “counter-revolutionary”.
During the years of the “Cultural Revolution”, people were compelled to destroy their own temples, monasteries, and mosques. Nearly all buildings and monuments of historical, cultural and religious importance in these countries were demolished and their treasures and art objects looted and shipped to China for their precious metals or for sale on the Asian art market. The mineral wealth, forests, water and other natural resources of these lands have, especially in the last couple of decades, not only been systematically exploited to benefit China, but have also been thoughtlessly wasted and the environment devastated because of the extreme policies of China’s leadership.
Right now China’s population transfer policy has flooded Inner Mongolia, East Turkistan and Tibet with Chinese migrants, completely marginalizing the indigenous population and making them a minority in their own homelands. Native craftsmen, small businessmen, workers and even labourers have been near completely displaced by Chinese immigrants, causing tremendous social problems, and psychological distress among the native population.
All the while, the informers, the various organs of State Security (gongan), the State Psychiatric Units (ankang) and the “People’s Liberation Army” are relentlessly going about their task of spreading terror throughout these lands and forcing the submission of their peoples.
We individuals and our organisations assembled here today are firmly behind all the Tibetans, Uyghurs and Mongols who in their homelands are standing up and demanding independence, and we mutually pledge to fully support those inside who risk everything, including their lives, in the quest for a free and democratic homeland. We appeal to the global community of nations as to the rectitude of our intentions and do thus declare that Tibet, East Turkistan and Inner Mongolia are absolved of all political connections to the People’s Republic of China, or any future Chinese state and government, and shall henceforth be free and independent nations, each irrevocably committed to a democratic system of government, established by the free will of the people, and based on the rule of law and the primacy of individual freedom.
In the case of Taiwan we have a travesty of international justice where a fully independent, prosperous and democratic nation, is not recognized as such by other nations, primarily out of concern for displeasing Communist China. Taiwan may have once been a part of China, but most member states of the United Nations Organization were at one point or another in their history a part of another nation or empire. Taiwan was only a province of China briefly for eight years between 1887 and 1895. Taiwan was, by the treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), ceded, in perpetuity, to Japan. Whatever the ramifications of its varied history the people of Taiwan have the right, as do all peoples in the world, to self-determination; and furthermore through their successful efforts in creating a progressive and prosperous democratic state have more than earned the right to nationhood. China’s numerous and increasingly belligerent threats to invade Taiwan must be condemned by the international community and Taiwan’s right to independence recognized.
We call upon individual nations of the world and the United Nations Organization to support the inalienable right of Uyghurs, Mongols, Tibetans and Taiwanese to independent homelands. We appeal to the United States of America, the first liberal democratic nation in the world, to give due recognition to the rightful cause of these peoples and aid them in their noble quest for independence, freedom and democracy.
19th September 2006,
Conference Room HC-9,
U.S. Congress,
Capitol Hill, Washington D.C.""
READ THE FULL ARTICLE: http://www.innermongolia.org/english/Nations%20of%20High%20Asia%20Declare.htm
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
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Dr. MLK jr. commentary on black riots- which I agree with:
"And I contend that the cry of "black power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. And, what is it that America has failed to hear?"
source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/
I UNDERSTAND riots. I don't need to join them, but I can understand them. And I feel in my gut that rioters are far less of a threat to anyone than the upheld systemic violence in this country which should be alarming to anyone made aware of it.
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speaking of which,
I recommend everyone listen to Michelle Obama's Tuskegee commencement speech all the way through. It is very good, encouraging for everyone (especially if you are a woman or minority), and very thorough for anyone seeking to understand some present day frustrations rooted in historical things. She doesn't speak for everyone, but the experiences she shares have commonalities with many others.
And I am wondering- based on her speech giving skills- if she helps the President write his speeches lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDL3r0hxWY
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Sure, everyone here is white
That's incorrect.
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
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]Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
In rich countries the civilly unrested spice their rioting up with looting. :zoinks:
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In poor countries they don't? :P
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
Couldn't possibly begin to explain it to you Dexter.
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Sure, everyone here is white
That's incorrect.
Clearly I don't know EVERYBODY, so everyone was an overbroad statement.
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off topic but sort of on topic...
why in general are people so uptight these days? I mean wut?
You all here are pretty laid back...auties need to rule the world or something, or people just need to chill their wills...
*scratches boobs* :headhurts:
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Rioters are so dumb ... they burn their own houses down!
I am so tired of that trope. Thank all the gods that you grew up a white girl in a first world country so you never found yourself in a situation where burning down your own community seemed like a plausible reaction to the insurmountable systemic problems you faced.
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Rioters are a riot.
well...I have been to a 3rd world country (China) and helped folks there(I want to go back at some point and help again because I love helping out people)...
and I have a big heart, and honestly (reading civil disobedience good read highly recommend) if that is the reason for saying someone takes for granted xyz then it's a poorly founded argument to have...
personally I stay off the net (novel idea eh?) and read more, get out more, help people more and stay informed to a degree, but I am less impressed with myself the older I get
I make a difference where I can, and fart in the general direction of those that can destroy things just because they feel an itch to do so...
Leave your bit coins at the door, I have no use for them
Huh? ???
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
Rich country does not mean rich people.
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
Rich country does not mean rich people.
In a way it does. Poor by western standards probably isn't considered poor in other places. Thinking once read there's more people in the world with cell phones than indoor plumbing. Outside of actual hungry people, not certain what even defines poor.
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You all here are pretty laid back...
Most here seem fairly uptight to me. :laugh:
Sure, everyone here is white
That's incorrect.
Clearly I don't know EVERYBODY, so everyone was an overbroad statement.
Pay attention.
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Sure, everyone here is white
That's incorrect.
That is correct that that incorrect statement is not correct.
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correct is a funny word... :apondering:
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In poor countries they don't? :P
Hush, I'm trying to inspire Dexter. :zoinks:
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Huh? ???
Babbling off topic is a clever debate strategy. :zoinks: Seriously though, I don't see why she wont defend that stance. Heck even I've said stuff like that on this forum before, called rioters stupid, called them fucking animals. No one contradicted me at the time, but if anyone did I'd say yeah, that's my gut reaction to watching people who look like stupid fucking animals to me, and if I feel any real sympathy it's for the people who didn't do anything to anyone other than be in the wrong place and yet have to suffer the damages. Sure, logically I know there's a lot more to it than that, but as far as raw emotional reaction goes I agree with Hannah.
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
Rich country does not mean rich people.
In a way it does. Poor by western standards probably isn't considered poor in other places. Thinking once read there's more people in the world with cell phones than indoor plumbing. Outside of actual hungry people, not certain what even defines poor.
I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
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WolFish understands. I'm kind of surprised that not everyone else does. Sure, everyone here is white and from a rich country, but everyone is also a spazz. There is no spazz privilege. Some of you appear to be "out", and thus genuinely stigmatized.
Guess what? The rioters are from a rich country, too. Why can't they check their own privilege?
Rich country does not mean rich people.
In a way it does. Poor by western standards probably isn't considered poor in other places. Thinking once read there's more people in the world with cell phones than indoor plumbing. Outside of actual hungry people, not certain what even defines poor.
Cell phones are easy, indoor plumbing can be a bitch and is a lot more infrastructure. My brother told me when he got back from India that poor people in this country have no idea just how good they have it compared to what he saw there. I have heard pretty much the same from people who came to this country as refugees from various countries in Africa.
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Cell phones are easy, indoor plumbing can be a bitch and is a lot more infrastructure. My brother told me when he got back from India that poor people in this country have no idea just how good they have it compared to what he saw there. I have heard pretty much the same from people who came to this country as refugees from various countries in Africa.
Have heard the same from immigrant Hispanics of various origin.
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
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Cell phones are easy, indoor plumbing can be a bitch and is a lot more infrastructure. My brother told me when he got back from India that poor people in this country have no idea just how good they have it compared to what he saw there. I have heard pretty much the same from people who came to this country as refugees from various countries in Africa.
Have heard the same from immigrant Hispanics of various origin.
Most of the people I have talked to from South and Central America have been from the country not the city and kinda liked it in their home countries just wanted come here to make money before returning, the few urban dwellers I have talked to didn't want to return. One of my interests is talking to people other parts of the world and hearing first hand about their countries with the goal of meeting someone from every country, in South and Central America I am only missing Paraguay :green:
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Heck even I've said stuff like that on this forum before, called rioters stupid, called them fucking animals. No one contradicted me at the time
Arguing with a sock is counterproductive :hahaha:
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Heck even I've said stuff like that on this forum before, called rioters stupid, called them fucking animals. No one contradicted me at the time
Arguing with a sock is counterproductive :hahaha:
What about with a shoe :zoinks:
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Heck even I've said stuff like that on this forum before, called rioters stupid, called them fucking animals. No one contradicted me at the time
Arguing with a sock is counterproductive :hahaha:
Please warn me if I ever become productive. :aff:
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
I would agree with them being a minority among the "poor" in the developed countries, but they do exist. Which is what I meant. A rich country does not equal rich people.
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
I would agree with them being a minority among the "poor" in the developed countries, but they do exist. Which is what I meant. A rich country does not equal rich people.
A rich country merely indicates a higher average income (and perhaps some over avg/median measurements)....says nothin about the distribution of that income, or even what opportunities it can buy. I know people who can't drink their own tap water because its brown and has to be boiled- that on top of going hungry quite often, being financially poor, poorly educated, with poor access to food, and living in unsafe environments, regularly profiled, and untrusted by law enforcement. And this all borne out of circumstance. Yet they live in a rich country.
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Nationalize currency, end dual citizenship. Outlaw super pacs.
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Nationalize currency, end dual citizenship. Outlaw super pacs.
Nationalise currency? Isn't it already nationalised? :tard:
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Nationalize currency, end dual citizenship. Outlaw super pacs.
What??
What the hell is a super pac?
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I wish I didn't know, I wish it were a six pack...Heck I even would love it if it were pac man...
No A PAC in this case is a
Political Action Committee
In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a type of organization that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaign for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.[1][2] The legal term PAC has been created in pursuit of campaign finance reform in the United States. This term is quite specific to all activities of campaign finance in the United States. Democracies of other countries use different terms for the units of campaign spending or spending on political competition (see political finance). At the U.S. federal level, an organization becomes a PAC when it receives or spends more than $2,600 for the purpose of influencing a federal election, according to the Federal Election Campaign Act.[3] At the state level, an organization becomes a PAC according to the state's election laws.
Contributions from corporate or labor union treasuries are illegal, though they may sponsor a PAC and provide financial support for its administration and fundraising;
Union-affiliated PACs may only solicit contributions from members;
Independent PACs may solicit contributions from the general public and must pay their own costs from those funds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
Yea these should be done away with, both sides are to blame...
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Nope, just four old white guys and their self-loathing black friend.
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
I would agree with them being a minority among the "poor" in the developed countries, but they do exist. Which is what I meant. A rich country does not equal rich people.
A rich country merely indicates a higher average income (and perhaps some over avg/median measurements)....says nothin about the distribution of that income, or even what opportunities it can buy. I know people who can't drink their own tap water because its brown and has to be boiled- that on top of going hungry quite often, being financially poor, poorly educated, with poor access to food, and living in unsafe environments, regularly profiled, and untrusted by law enforcement. And this all borne out of circumstance. Yet they live in a rich country.
Damocles, remember him?
I am not poor. I never have been poor.
What makes me feel poor is the knowledge that based on the color of my skin I could lose my life on a whim.
It was my mantra in Florida:
Stay calm. Be polite. Move slow. Give no reason for violence.
What we're missing is the comparison. If you compare me with someone from a third world who has nothing, sure I look privileged. I have a job, shelter and disposable income.
But next to that white guy in a suit who isn't thinking about whether than policeman is going to come over here, I have none. I don't have the luxury of ignoring the police officer. I don't have the luxury of forgetting my ID, or of thinking that I can carry a weapon and safe because I have a weapon. It would be foolish of me to think that I have any kind of privilege other than the fleeting financial sort. My so called privilege won't help me if some police officer decides I need to be dealt with using lethal force.
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
I would agree with them being a minority among the "poor" in the developed countries, but they do exist. Which is what I meant. A rich country does not equal rich people.
A rich country, with a growing distance in income between the richest and the poorest, losing the middle group will soon have an abundance of poor people.
The increase of homeless people in my country is alarming. As it is in more "western" countries.
The increase of silent poverty, all looking well, unless you take a closer look, is there too. (Kids going to school without a proper breakfast, no doctors visits when it is needed, no dental work at all, no partaking in anything in school that costs money etc.)
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
I would agree with them being a minority among the "poor" in the developed countries, but they do exist. Which is what I meant. A rich country does not equal rich people.
A rich country merely indicates a higher average income (and perhaps some over avg/median measurements)....says nothin about the distribution of that income, or even what opportunities it can buy. I know people who can't drink their own tap water because its brown and has to be boiled- that on top of going hungry quite often, being financially poor, poorly educated, with poor access to food, and living in unsafe environments, regularly profiled, and untrusted by law enforcement. And this all borne out of circumstance. Yet they live in a rich country.
Damocles, remember him?
I am not poor. I never have been poor.
What makes me feel poor is the knowledge that based on the color of my skin I could lose my life on a whim.
It was my mantra in Florida:
Stay calm. Be polite. Move slow. Give no reason for violence.
What we're missing is the comparison. If you compare me with someone from a third world who has nothing, sure I look privileged. I have a job, shelter and disposable income.
But next to that white guy in a suit who isn't thinking about whether than policeman is going to come over here, I have none. I don't have the luxury of ignoring the police officer. I don't have the luxury of forgetting my ID, or of thinking that I can carry a weapon and safe because I have a weapon. It would be foolish of me to think that I have any kind of privilege other than the fleeting financial sort. My so called privilege won't help me if some police officer decides I need to be dealt with using lethal force.
Not that different here. (Well police isn't armed, so there is a difference in possible fatalities.)
At the thrift shop we discriminate with a purpose. If a regular looking white person wants to buy a second hand bike without having paperwork with it, we'd let them go that way. But if it is someone looking visibly poor, or not white, or a combination of that, they will not leave the shop without an extended receipt, autographed and stamped, with all the data of the bought bike, so that they can prove to the police they are no thieve riding their bike. Sucks.
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
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I've seen people without homes or food, and I think they meet the criteria for poor.
That sounds about right.
I would agree with them being a minority among the "poor" in the developed countries, but they do exist. Which is what I meant. A rich country does not equal rich people.
A rich country merely indicates a higher average income (and perhaps some over avg/median measurements)....says nothin about the distribution of that income, or even what opportunities it can buy. I know people who can't drink their own tap water because its brown and has to be boiled- that on top of going hungry quite often, being financially poor, poorly educated, with poor access to food, and living in unsafe environments, regularly profiled, and untrusted by law enforcement. And this all borne out of circumstance. Yet they live in a rich country.
Damocles, remember him?
I am not poor. I never have been poor.
What makes me feel poor is the knowledge that based on the color of my skin I could lose my life on a whim.
It was my mantra in Florida:
Stay calm. Be polite. Move slow. Give no reason for violence.
What we're missing is the comparison. If you compare me with someone from a third world who has nothing, sure I look privileged. I have a job, shelter and disposable income.
But next to that white guy in a suit who isn't thinking about whether than policeman is going to come over here, I have none. I don't have the luxury of ignoring the police officer. I don't have the luxury of forgetting my ID, or of thinking that I can carry a weapon and safe because I have a weapon. It would be foolish of me to think that I have any kind of privilege other than the fleeting financial sort. My so called privilege won't help me if some police officer decides I need to be dealt with using lethal force.
Not that different here. (Well police isn't armed, so there is a difference in possible fatalities.)
At the thrift shop we discriminate with a purpose. If a regular looking white person wants to buy a second hand bike without having paperwork with it, we'd let them go that way. But if it is someone looking visibly poor, or not white, or a combination of that, they will not leave the shop without an extended receipt, autographed and stamped, with all the data of the bought bike, so that they can prove to the police they are no thieve riding their bike. Sucks.
You guys have to have paperwork for buying bikes? :o
I agree with wolfish...you do not have to be impoverished to be oppressed. Apartheid mentality does not mean you are being literally pissed on each day.
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You guys have to have paperwork for buying bikes? :o
I agree with wolfish...you do not have to be impoverished to be oppressed. Apartheid mentality does not mean you are being literally pissed on each day.
Bikes are an important way of transportation here. Most people will have a bike. Bikes all have a frame number. And, bikes get stolen a lot. So, if you buy a second hand bike, you can ask for an extended receipt, showing you bought the bike. There is a site where you can check frame numbers as a buyer too, to see if the bike is registered as stolen, IIRC.
Most second hand bikes get sold via ads in supermarkets and such, without a check or paper trail. But, chances are you are buying a stolen bike then.
Last bikes I got were without any paperwork. Might have been wiser to ask for it. But I know where they came from. So, taking it is OK.
Because bikes are one of the best ways of transportation here, most people looking for asylum here will save up to get a dirt cheap one. And yes, they are targeted more often than other people to show they have actually bought the bike. Even more than a matter of colour it may be a matter of fitting in. Getting the social clues of this new society they are in. People who only just arrived in this country do stand out in a different way. But colour does play a big role in it too.
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Nationalize currency, end dual citizenship. Outlaw super pacs.
Why end dual citizanship?
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Yeah I wanted to know that too.
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You guys have to have paperwork for buying bikes? :o
I agree with wolfish...you do not have to be impoverished to be oppressed. Apartheid mentality does not mean you are being literally pissed on each day.
Bikes are an important way of transportation here. Most people will have a bike. Bikes all have a frame number. And, bikes get stolen a lot. So, if you buy a second hand bike, you can ask for an extended receipt, showing you bought the bike. There is a site where you can check frame numbers as a buyer too, to see if the bike is registered as stolen, IIRC.
Most second hand bikes get sold via ads in supermarkets and such, without a check or paper trail. But, chances are you are buying a stolen bike then.
Last bikes I got were without any paperwork. Might have been wiser to ask for it. But I know where they came from. So, taking it is OK.
Because bikes are one of the best ways of transportation here, most people looking for asylum here will save up to get a dirt cheap one. And yes, they are targeted more often than other people to show they have actually bought the bike. Even more than a matter of colour it may be a matter of fitting in. Getting the social clues of this new society they are in. People who only just arrived in this country do stand out in a different way. But colour does play a big role in it too.
That is really interesting. Here...bikes are more like toys....like skateboards or rollerblades, for sport or a day at a park with bike paths. Nobody will be asking anyone to prove their bike is theirs. I use mine for transport, but we have many many steep hills, so transport is limited- bus is the main mode of transport with me, but the bike is an often used back-up, especially when I don't have bus change.
However, the profiling you speak of occurs with cars...its very common to be profiled by a cop if you are black or latino.
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
Florida? Seriously? Couldn't have been where I lived.
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You guys have to have paperwork for buying bikes? :o
I agree with wolfish...you do not have to be impoverished to be oppressed. Apartheid mentality does not mean you are being literally pissed on each day.
Bikes are an important way of transportation here. Most people will have a bike. Bikes all have a frame number. And, bikes get stolen a lot. So, if you buy a second hand bike, you can ask for an extended receipt, showing you bought the bike. There is a site where you can check frame numbers as a buyer too, to see if the bike is registered as stolen, IIRC.
Most second hand bikes get sold via ads in supermarkets and such, without a check or paper trail. But, chances are you are buying a stolen bike then.
Last bikes I got were without any paperwork. Might have been wiser to ask for it. But I know where they came from. So, taking it is OK.
Because bikes are one of the best ways of transportation here, most people looking for asylum here will save up to get a dirt cheap one. And yes, they are targeted more often than other people to show they have actually bought the bike. Even more than a matter of colour it may be a matter of fitting in. Getting the social clues of this new society they are in. People who only just arrived in this country do stand out in a different way. But colour does play a big role in it too.
I have a bike that has been with me through everything. I am so unused to city living that I am going to buy a cheap bike to see if it gets stolen. A lot of people ride them here, or take the metro. Your post makes me wonder if they have some system here for tracking bikes. I don't think I will be targeted because Montreal is a lot more diverse so the police are looking for different cues than skin color. I don't look like the stereotypical black person which I guess helps too.
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
Florida? Seriously? Couldn't have been where I lived.
It's been awhile since I lived there but I still have family there but I found that Florida is still very much the 'old South' in parts and rather progressive in others. I lived in Sarasota from 78-85 and if you drove ten miles inland it was pure redneck country big cowboy hats and all but along the coast it was full of all kinds of people from all over the country and fairly progressive. The distance you have to travel inland now has increased but go far enough and it's still there
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
Florida? Seriously? Couldn't have been where I lived.
For some reason thought we lived in the same city.
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Ah Florida...the place Jeb Bush prevented thousands of black people from voting, and Zimmerman walked free after murdering a black kid, and a black woman was locked up for shooting (and missing) in self-defense.
Not a place I will ever set foot if I can help it...unless I'm suicidal.
Oh yeah, its also the place apparently the constitution has no jurisdiction and politicians can outlaw the phrase "climate change" for elected officials. and require drug tests among poor people on welfare? geesh that state.
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
Florida? Seriously? Couldn't have been where I lived.
For some reason thought we lived in the same city.
We lived just outside of Orlando.
Far enough out that when I sat in our backyard the neighbor came running to ask if I belonged there.
Far enough out that when I put my wallet down while I was paying for my purchase at CVS a woman reached around me and grabbed my wallet. I took it back. She said she was just making sure it was mine.
Or right after walking out of the store, receipt in hand, with the suitcase I had just purchased and a temp stood in my way to ask if I had purchased the suitcase.
I've gone into stores and had four or five different people ask me if I needed help. I usually don't let it get to that number. Around about the third one I say "Yes, could you tell all the other people in the store who are going to ask if I need help that I would like to be left alone to shop?"
One of my favorites from the Orlando area was when I was at the airport and picked up my bag at baggage claim and a woman stood in my way and said, "Are you sure that's yours?" My bag was a heck of a lot nicer than hers. I have a penchant for high quality.
My ex didn't believe these kinds of things happened until one day she was standing in another part of the store and saw the cashier fairly leap over the counter to intercept me. That was in Massachusetts, where I had another favorite:
My ex was in Filenes Basement and had dragged me along so I was looking at random things. A store clerk was following me but making noise, so finally I turned to her and said, "Look, if you're going to follow me, could you at least be quiet about it?" She got really embarrassed and said loudly "I'm not following you!" and then began to move clothes back and forth on the rack - the same clothes, over and over again. But she stopped following me.
I have favorites from everywhere except New York City, where people know enough to ignore me and target the little old lady with the bulging shopping bag.
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I have favorites from everywhere except New York City, where people know enough to ignore me and target the little old lady with the bulging shopping bag.
Statistics show the chance that a shoplifter is a woman over 50 is big. That is the group to watch indeed.
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I don't know what to say, Wolfish. People are cunts, generally speaking, but apparently more so in some places than in others.
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
Florida? Seriously? Couldn't have been where I lived.
For some reason thought we lived in the same city.
We lived just outside of Orlando.
Far enough out that when I sat in our backyard the neighbor came running to ask if I belonged there.
Far enough out that when I put my wallet down while I was paying for my purchase at CVS a woman reached around me and grabbed my wallet. I took it back. She said she was just making sure it was mine.
Or right after walking out of the store, receipt in hand, with the suitcase I had just purchased and a temp stood in my way to ask if I had purchased the suitcase.
I've gone into stores and had four or five different people ask me if I needed help. I usually don't let it get to that number. Around about the third one I say "Yes, could you tell all the other people in the store who are going to ask if I need help that I would like to be left alone to shop?"
One of my favorites from the Orlando area was when I was at the airport and picked up my bag at baggage claim and a woman stood in my way and said, "Are you sure that's yours?" My bag was a heck of a lot nicer than hers. I have a penchant for high quality.
My ex didn't believe these kinds of things happened until one day she was standing in another part of the store and saw the cashier fairly leap over the counter to intercept me. That was in Massachusetts, where I had another favorite:
My ex was in Filenes Basement and had dragged me along so I was looking at random things. A store clerk was following me but making noise, so finally I turned to her and said, "Look, if you're going to follow me, could you at least be quiet about it?" She got really embarrassed and said loudly "I'm not following you!" and then began to move clothes back and forth on the rack - the same clothes, over and over again. But she stopped following me.
I have favorites from everywhere except New York City, where people know enough to ignore me and target the little old lady with the bulging shopping bag.
One thing I heard recently...is that we can face discrimination all our lives, as long as we don't internalise it, we win. And that there is in this country a thing as "black space" and "white space". Black space is the ghetto, and black people carry the ghetto with them on their skin...so when we enter a white space (which is about everywhere else) it causes conflict. Everywhere there is a black person in a white space people do the math "how did they overcome the ghetto to get there? or are they homeless? or are they a thief from the ghetto".... Hard not to internalise that....every time I visit a university or suburb, or store, I actively try to not look suspicious...I end up spending money places just because I don't want them to think I am homeless.
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It was my mantra in Florida:
That's interesting. Have found my own experience to be the opposite and it to be the most multi-cultural and integrated place ever lived. That's due to previous experience only being in places where people of color largely, if not solely, represented a negative element, if there were any others at all. Here it's different because they represent every class of people, they are also the average man, business men, and respected contributors and leaders in the community. For the first time in my life I have peers who are not white, and it's been a very positive force in my attitude and perspective concerning people in general.
Florida? Seriously? Couldn't have been where I lived.
For some reason thought we lived in the same city.
We lived just outside of Orlando.
Far enough out that when I sat in our backyard the neighbor came running to ask if I belonged there.
Far enough out that when I put my wallet down while I was paying for my purchase at CVS a woman reached around me and grabbed my wallet. I took it back. She said she was just making sure it was mine.
Or right after walking out of the store, receipt in hand, with the suitcase I had just purchased and a temp stood in my way to ask if I had purchased the suitcase.
I've gone into stores and had four or five different people ask me if I needed help. I usually don't let it get to that number. Around about the third one I say "Yes, could you tell all the other people in the store who are going to ask if I need help that I would like to be left alone to shop?"
One of my favorites from the Orlando area was when I was at the airport and picked up my bag at baggage claim and a woman stood in my way and said, "Are you sure that's yours?" My bag was a heck of a lot nicer than hers. I have a penchant for high quality.
My ex didn't believe these kinds of things happened until one day she was standing in another part of the store and saw the cashier fairly leap over the counter to intercept me. That was in Massachusetts, where I had another favorite:
My ex was in Filenes Basement and had dragged me along so I was looking at random things. A store clerk was following me but making noise, so finally I turned to her and said, "Look, if you're going to follow me, could you at least be quiet about it?" She got really embarrassed and said loudly "I'm not following you!" and then began to move clothes back and forth on the rack - the same clothes, over and over again. But she stopped following me.
I have favorites from everywhere except New York City, where people know enough to ignore me and target the little old lady with the bulging shopping bag.
Was making an observation that my perspective is very different. That difference is due to never before living in an integrated area. Grew up in a place where I only ever knew of two other families that weren't white, not only in the town but also the other surrounding towns. After that lived in a place where the only non whites were poor non-English speaking Hispanics. Florida attracts every brand of peoples, not only from all over the country and non-whites simply aren't some novelty who only fit into one classification within the community. Still stand by the statement of where I live as the most integrated and tolerant environment ever lived in, and the first time ever having peers who aren't white. Wasn't really trying to imply florida is free from racism, or you haven't encountered it. Though fine, we won't discuss it, and can talk about favorites instead. Will leave the favorites to the gopher. Never having non-white peers in life made it easy to fall into the self loathing victim mentality, and spent all but the last 8 or 9 years of life blaming other people's racism for every difficulty ever encountered. It was always everyone else and not me. My social problems have always been blamed as other people's problems. Moving to an integrated area didn't help that at all, due to not only being put upon by the racism of whites, but the racism of every race. They're all a bunch of bigots and segregate themselves while blaming each other for what they do to themselves. Then an interesting thing happened, I started reading autism forums, and for the first time in my life was faced with the realization that maybe it's really just me. That's not to say none of it is racism, but unless it's blatant I simply don't jump to assume it is anymore, I don't actively seek it as a rationale, and have learned to take some level of accountability in how people react to me.
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Not a place I will ever set foot if I can help it...unless I'm suicidal.
Maybe one day the state of Florida won't possess such a powerful and personal victory over you. In the meantime, probably best to stay put in those safe states free of racism.
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We lived just outside of Orlando.
Far enough out that when I sat in our backyard the neighbor came running to ask if I belonged there.
Far enough out that when I put my wallet down while I was paying for my purchase at CVS a woman reached around me and grabbed my wallet. I took it back. She said she was just making sure it was mine.
Or right after walking out of the store, receipt in hand, with the suitcase I had just purchased and a temp stood in my way to ask if I had purchased the suitcase.
I've gone into stores and had four or five different people ask me if I needed help. I usually don't let it get to that number. Around about the third one I say "Yes, could you tell all the other people in the store who are going to ask if I need help that I would like to be left alone to shop?"
One of my favorites from the Orlando area was when I was at the airport and picked up my bag at baggage claim and a woman stood in my way and said, "Are you sure that's yours?" My bag was a heck of a lot nicer than hers. I have a penchant for high quality.
My ex didn't believe these kinds of things happened until one day she was standing in another part of the store and saw the cashier fairly leap over the counter to intercept me. That was in Massachusetts, where I had another favorite:
My ex was in Filenes Basement and had dragged me along so I was looking at random things. A store clerk was following me but making noise, so finally I turned to her and said, "Look, if you're going to follow me, could you at least be quiet about it?" She got really embarrassed and said loudly "I'm not following you!" and then began to move clothes back and forth on the rack - the same clothes, over and over again. But she stopped following me.
I have favorites from everywhere except New York City, where people know enough to ignore me and target the little old lady with the bulging shopping bag.
Come on, you know Orlando ain't some backwoods hickwater town where you're without peers as the only educated dark man trying to mingle among the white folks. Anyway though, yeah I think I get what you're saying. One time I was stopped outside of store, accused of stealing, and ordered to empty my pockets. Even when they realized they had made a mistake they still tried to trick me into saying I had *tried* to steal something. Finally, one of them said the police were there and they'd have to tell them it was a false alarm, then they walked away without apology, didn't say a word, just left me standing there wondering what just happened. At this point in my life, I don't know if that was racist or if I'm my own worst enemy since I don't naturally acknowledge the existence of other people in stores and go out of my way to shop around the store taking the aisles with no people. I'm aware of being watched a lot though, even when I'm with my white guy. I don't know what it is, or why, but it seems like no matter where I go I always have someone fucking staring at me. I just can't say it's always white people doing that to me anymore. Anyway, that's not my favorite though. My all-time most favorite was the time this giant white guy cornered me alone on a balcony. He pressed himself against me with my back against the rail, called me a red nigger and asked me if the kids had lice. I told him to go back inside or I'd flip him off the balcony. He was much bigger than me but also very drunk and I was sober so I was confident I could flip him off that balcony. It was only a second story balcony with grass underneath, so we both knew he's probably be alright. He laughed to let me know he wasn't scared of me, but he also promptly went back inside, lest he have to suffer the embarrassment of some nigger bitch flipping his ass off the balcony. My least favorite was a boy I liked in highschool who never asked me out because his parents wouldn't have approved, but he never would have been so hurtful to admit that to me. So, yeah, I know what it's like for people to assume I'm unintelligent, dirty, dishonest, lazy, unworthy, or whatever. I know what it's like to not have a racial place at all. I also know what it like to blame everyone else in the world for my problems. I know what it's like to deny stereotypes exist for a reason. I also know what it like to accept stereotypes exist for a reason, and to feel ashamed because of those people. I know what it's like to be disgusted by people of color, and to hate them much as any white bigot does because they dare to have the nerve to look like me. I know white people who feel that same disgust and embarrassment for the people who represent the negative stereotype of the redneck racist white man. Do you know what else I know, wolfish? I know what it's like to have the power of knowledge, in knowing racism truly is founded in fear. I know what it's like to use and feed on that fear, which means I know what it's like to take pleasure if making other people afraid of me. Though the victim narrative doesn't really support that level of honesty, does it? I think that's the reason why no one challenged me when I said the rioters were stupid fucking animals.
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Not a place I will ever set foot if I can help it...unless I'm suicidal.
Maybe one day the state of Florida won't possess such a powerful and personal victory over you. In the meantime, probably best to stay put in those safe states free of racism.
Nowhere I know of is free of racism. I just stay away from places that I am likely to get shot or arrested. Florida is a place where being an activist will probably get me killed. Between outlawing feeding the poor, to requiring unconstitutional welfare recipient drug tests, to outlawing policy discussions related to climate change (which we all know adversely affects the poor first), to illegally barring black voters from voting, to refusing justice for murdered black people in the wake of national outrage...I'll end up kidnapped and killed within a year by some KKK cop.
At least in my city where I am, there is a chance I'll survive.
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You're extremely racist against whites, SG, and it's so frustrating, and also saddening that you generalize them all from the viewpoint of being out to get you. Wont try to begrudge you the emotion of feeling safer in areas where whites are a minority or pointing to white crime to rationalize that. It's a good reason to feel that way. It's also hard to begrudge white people the same emotions when they don't want to be around blacks and point to black crime to rationalize that. They also have a good reason to feel that way. the Hispanics are the only ones who confuse me, both the people and this country's hatred of them by all other races. Though they do the same. A mexican woman once told me how much she hated blacks and whites, and how she wished everyone looked like 'us'. Told her I think people like her should move back to mexico where everyone looks like her. Can't really tell people they feel wrong, but see myself in a world filled with absurdity and fear rationalized with intellectual dishonesty. Though will admit it's likely true that people are better off and much safer when they segregate themselves, if for no other reason than the lack of friction. Viva la segregation. Maybe I'm just jealous of everyone for having a race at all.
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Not a place I will ever set foot if I can help it...unless I'm suicidal.
Maybe one day the state of Florida won't possess such a powerful and personal victory over you. In the meantime, probably best to stay put in those safe states free of racism.
Nowhere I know of is free of racism. I just stay away from places that I am likely to get shot or arrested. Florida is a place where being an activist will probably get me killed. Between outlawing feeding the poor, to requiring unconstitutional welfare recipient drug tests, to outlawing policy discussions related to climate change (which we all know adversely affects the poor first), to illegally barring black voters from voting, to refusing justice for murdered black people in the wake of national outrage...I'll end up kidnapped and killed within a year by some KKK cop.
At least in my city where I am, there is a chance I'll survive.
The most hurtful and harmful racism I've ever endured came from within my own family. :orly: It wasn't even really that bad. Florida has been very good for me. I'm really only scared of the jellyfish. :thumbup:
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Fear it is. It gets dangerous when those in fear have power, either in official power or in power of moving masses.
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I don't know what to say, Wolfish. People are cunts, generally speaking, but apparently more so in some places than in others.
True, but even in those places there are little havens like the clinic where the receptionist genuinely liked me, and the seventh day adventist store that had all manner of people working there. No one ever followed me and the only people who approached me did so when I was clearly wandering up and down aisles looking for something. I went there on a regular basis, as much for solace as for some of the best supplements I've found anywhere.
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Had this terrified neighbour for years. She barely dared coming outside, so I did her garden. Over the years she ventured out a bit more, and talked somewhat to me.
She was very racist against almost everyone with black hair, or otherwise foreign. But, out of every group she pointed at, she also had this one exception; a really nice Turkish man, a truly reliable Surinam lady, a pleasant Antillean shopkeeper etc. Still she thought everyone should return to the country they came from.
The most she hated people of mixed blood, because there was no place they could be sent to. She thought they all needed to be killed. When I asked if she really thought my husband and kids needed to be killed, she said that that indeed had to happen.
Then I told her that she should start with her own grandson and left.
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You're extremely racist against whites, SG, and it's so frustrating, and also saddening that you generalize them all from the viewpoint of being out to get you. Wont try to begrudge you the emotion of feeling safer in areas where whites are a minority or pointing to white crime to rationalize that. It's a good reason to feel that way. It's also hard to begrudge white people the same emotions when they don't want to be around blacks and point to black crime to rationalize that. They also have a good reason to feel that way. the Hispanics are the only ones who confuse me, both the people and this country's hatred of them by all other races. Though they do the same. A mexican woman once told me how much she hated blacks and whites, and how she wished everyone looked like 'us'. Told her I think people like her should move back to mexico where everyone looks like her. Can't really tell people they feel wrong, but see myself in a world filled with absurdity and fear rationalized with intellectual dishonesty. Though will admit it's likely true that people are better off and much safer when they segregate themselves, if for no other reason than the lack of friction. Viva la segregation. Maybe I'm just jealous of everyone for having a race at all.
These are quite a lot of assumptions.
Oh well.
I've found that it's not useful to try to change someone's mind unless they're interested.
I feel quite safe in Montreal because our neighborhood is truly mixed - no one gives me a second glance unless I go to one of the neighborhoods that's not truly mixed.
Sure, it sucks, but I have my safe places. I have my autism safe places as well.
Cultural diversity is complicated - much more complicated than race, racism or any of the other differences we have constructed to create divisions. So you shouldn't be jealous; it's all artificial. We all come from the same tribe in Africa.
I am not afraid of death but I don't want to die for stupid reasons such as failing to understand that there are people in the world whose right to shoot me for racists reasons is protected. The stories I tell are my signs.
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Had this terrified neighbour for years. She barely dared coming outside, so I did her garden. Over the years she ventured out a bit more, and talked somewhat to me.
She was very racist against almost everyone with black hair, or otherwise foreign. But, out of every group she pointed at, she also had this one exception; a really nice Turkish man, a truly reliable Surinam lady, a pleasant Antillean shopkeeper etc. Still she thought everyone should return to the country they came from.
The most she hated people of mixed blood, because there was no place they could be sent to. She thought they all needed to be killed. When I asked if she really thought my husband and kids needed to be killed, she said that that indeed had to happen.
Then I told her that she should start with her own grandson and left.
I've met a couple of people like that. Best story: When I was a fundamentalist I was in a D&D group that comprised members of the church. The leader told me, out of the blue and in front of everyone else, that if someone came through killing all black people he would give me up so that he wouldn't have to worry about his family. Fundamentalists were some of the worst hypocrites I've met.
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These are quite a lot of assumptions.
Oh well.
I've found that it's not useful to try to change someone's mind unless they're interested.
I feel quite safe in Montreal because our neighborhood is truly mixed - no one gives me a second glance unless I go to one of the neighborhoods that's not truly mixed.
Sure, it sucks, but I have my safe places. I have my autism safe places as well.
Cultural diversity is complicated - much more complicated than race, racism or any of the other differences we have constructed to create divisions. So you shouldn't be jealous; it's all artificial. We all come from the same tribe in Africa.
I am not afraid of death but I don't want to die for stupid reasons such as failing to understand that there are people in the world whose right to shoot me for racists reasons is protected. The stories I tell are my signs.
It's not assumptions when SG has made it clear before that he prefers a black community free of the intrusion of whites. Change my mind about what? Have already lived the life of the perpetual victim in a world of perpetrators, and my mind has since been changed. Don't really feel safer now living in a mixed community, feel more content with that blending in and among people who are accustomed to being around people who are different. Would never be interested in returning to mid-west red neck klan country, not because of fearing for my life, but simply not caring for the quality of people. Am more likely to be murdered here than where I grew up, but that's just statistics and nothing to do with race. Don't tell me it's superficial that I have no race. Will say the same thing about you as said about SG; yes, racial tension and segregation is real but people prefer segregate themselves, and at least when you walk into a segregated room you know where to sit. I sit with the white people, because that's where I've found the most acceptance in life.
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I don't know what to say, Wolfish. People are cunts, generally speaking, but apparently more so in some places than in others.
True, but even in those places there are little havens like the clinic where the receptionist genuinely liked me, and the seventh day adventist store that had all manner of people working there. No one ever followed me and the only people who approached me did so when I was clearly wandering up and down aisles looking for something. I went there on a regular basis, as much for solace as for some of the best supplements I've found anywhere.
Health, the natural way, is almost part of doctrine of the SDA. May be worth finding out if Montreal has an SDA shop too.
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@ Jack,
I think segregation is part of human nature. People somehow cuddle together in their own group, that they perceive as best. It gets worse when fear of the other groups gets stronger. And worse when some of the groups has more power than the other groups, also about those other groups.
Your way out of the racism thoughts in your head was a personal one. Telling nothing about what sociologically is a reality. But it did liberate you in your head. It gave you personal freedom. I will not dispute that, nor make that smaller than it is. It is a great thing to have.
It does not take away the reality of there being lots of people targeted as second class citizens; because of race, origin, history, social layer, religion or what ever.
When SG wrote about a neighbourhood being taken over, it made me think about modern neighbourhood improvement programs. Put in creative students in a neighbourhood with a bad name. Let them do some community work in exchange for lower rents. Get some fashionable restaurants in that neighbourhood. And other people will come in. The bad vibe of the area will disappear. And things will get better. So far, so good. But then the area grades up, becomes a place people want to live, because it is trendy, rents and the prices of houses go up, more expensive shops come in. And it becomes unaffordable to live in for a lot of the original inhabitants. And they have to move. Not only losing their house, but also the social setting they lived in, so, losing their social network.
Wolfie and SG tell things from their lives that show a social injustice. You show a psychological liberation. That is not a liberation on a sociological level, but it has freed you and given you space to be who you are. What I read from Wolfie and SG, they have a similar psychological freedom, but they are very aware of the social setting they live in and are determined by in their daily life too. And it is something that needs to be targeted and needs to be seen. Segregation will happen. People are different and will flock together in groups they feel secure in. But it should not come with such stigmatisation nor such differences in power.
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I vote that Hyke be moderator for everything.
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I'd rather not.
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@ Jack,
I think segregation is part of human nature. People somehow cuddle together in their own group, that they perceive as best. It gets worse when fear of the other groups gets stronger. And worse when some of the groups has more power than the other groups, also about those other groups.
Your way out of the racism thoughts in your head was a personal one. Telling nothing about what sociologically is a reality. But it did liberate you in your head. It gave you personal freedom. I will not dispute that, nor make that smaller than it is. It is a great thing to have.
It does not take away the reality of there being lots of people targeted as second class citizens; because of race, origin, history, social layer, religion or what ever.
When SG wrote about a neighbourhood being taken over, it made me think about modern neighbourhood improvement programs. Put in creative students in a neighbourhood with a bad name. Let them do some community work in exchange for lower rents. Get some fashionable restaurants in that neighbourhood. And other people will come in. The bad vibe of the area will disappear. And things will get better. So far, so good. But then the area grades up, becomes a place people want to live, because it is trendy, rents and the prices of houses go up, more expensive shops come in. And it becomes unaffordable to live in for a lot of the original inhabitants. And they have to move. Not only losing their house, but also the social setting they lived in, so, losing their social network.
Wolfie and SG tell things from their lives that show a social injustice. You show a psychological liberation. That is not a liberation on a sociological level, but it has freed you and given you space to be who you are. What I read from Wolfie and SG, they have a similar psychological freedom, but they are very aware of the social setting they live in and are determined by in their daily life too. And it is something that needs to be targeted and needs to be seen. Segregation will happen. People are different and will flock together in groups they feel secure in. But it should not come with such stigmatisation nor such differences in power.
Of course segregation is a natural thing, but it leaves no place for people like me. Have actually pushed SG to have to nerve to tell me I don't get it because I'm not black, and especially because I'm not a black male. Not sure why he wont put me in my place that way. Sure, SG and wolfish can tell me I don't know the stigma of the black man, and they would be correct. I also have an interesting perspective, because I know all races are as collective and excluding as whites. Black males may have it the worst, but they also have a group in society that actually accepts them. Non whites easily paint a picture of whites as the end all be all of the problem, but I think they're the more accommodating. Maybe it's because whites terrified of being labeled as racist, or maybe it's okay for everyone except for white people to be racist. I don't know, but certainly don't mean to imply I'm trying to deny SG or Wolfish the right to be upset.
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Segregation happens for all kinds of reasons, not only because of colour. Till in the sixties/seventies last century denominations were the great divide here in my country. With plenty of drama. The joke was that even goat breeding needed to happen in denominational determined committees. It was damn strict, and lots of interdenominational marriages came with shunning and never talking to kids or parents again.
Not fitting in in one of the groups is probably the fate of the spazz. I2 may be the only segregated group I fit in.
The problem is not the clustering in groups, most people do need a wider social network to thrive in. The problem is when groups become cages. Either cages where people don't dare coming out of, or cages where people are put in by others. When the fear factor becomes an issue, things get nasty.
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
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Segregation happens for all kinds of reasons, not only because of colour. Till in the sixties/seventies last century denominations were the great divide here in my country. With plenty of drama. The joke was that even goat breeding needed to happen in denominational determined committees. It was damn strict, and lots of interdenominational marriages came with shunning and never talking to kids or parents again.
Not fitting in in one of the groups is probably the fate of the spazz. I2 may be the only segregated group I fit in.
The problem is not the clustering in groups, most people do need a wider social network to thrive in. The problem is when groups become cages. Either cages where people don't dare coming out of, or cages where people are put in by others. When the fear factor becomes an issue, things get nasty.
Groups as cages is an interesting analogy. Tend to view them as cages people choose for themselves to lock others out.
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I don't know what to say, Wolfish. People are cunts, generally speaking, but apparently more so in some places than in others.
True, but even in those places there are little havens like the clinic where the receptionist genuinely liked me, and the seventh day adventist store that had all manner of people working there. No one ever followed me and the only people who approached me did so when I was clearly wandering up and down aisles looking for something. I went there on a regular basis, as much for solace as for some of the best supplements I've found anywhere.
Health, the natural way, is almost part of doctrine of the SDA. May be worth finding out if Montreal has an SDA shop too.
That's a great idea. Makes me wonder if the folks who run the health food store are closer adherents to their religion. I am not familiar with their ideology, just have heard enough to know that mine doesn't mesh with theirs.
Nonetheless they were good people and it would be nice to find them. It's predominantly catholic in most areas with one seriously jewish neighborhood.
edit: I'm having a dropping day.
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I vote that Hyke be moderator for everything.
I agree.
Hyke for president of the universe (and everything else)!
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I'll second that.
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If Hyke posts her n00dz, I'll third that. :eyelash:
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Nationalize currency, end dual citizenship. Outlaw super pacs.
Nationalise currency? Isn't it already nationalised? :tard:
I'm afraid not, my friend. Our central banking system is privately owned, and money printed is lent to our government at interest. Its just as stupid as it sounds.
Nationalize currency, end dual citizenship. Outlaw super pacs.
What??
What the hell is a super pac?
Different than a pac (political action committee) in that unlimited donations and spending are allowed and they recognize corporate ventures as "individuals". Money is speech, as it were. Using this tool, wealthier collectives can "build" the elections they desire.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php
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If Hyke posts her n00dz, I'll third that. :eyelash:
But if I take off my tight leather onesie, you'll throw me on the BBQ. :GA: :voodoo:
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Wrong smiley. WRONG SMILEY!!! :GA:
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Am I in the clear now, when it comes to becoming world leader? :hyke:
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No, you still need to take the job. :M
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And I'll have to do twitter, just like the big boys?
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And I'll have to do twitter, just like the big boys?
Yes, it's in the job description.
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What budget will I get to do the job?
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You're expecting a budget? Really, Hyke.
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Well, I have to cover up my leather outfit, when meeting Obama and Putin.
And I do need to be able to serve visitors a proper meal.
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Neither deserves it.
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Neither deserve to see my leathered skin either.
But I'd love to serve Intensians a good meal.
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If that is what your leadership will be about, I'm voting for more funds.
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If Hyke posts her n00dz, I'll third that. :eyelash:
But if I take off my tight leather onesie, you'll throw me on the BBQ. :GA: :voodoo:
:squiddy: You can wear the leather if I can be the bad boy. :zoinks:
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Can't believe I missed a conversation about the place I most love to hate. :(
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Can't believe I missed a conversation about the place I most love to hate. :(
You can still campaign for Hyke as moderator of everything.
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I think we should all campaign for it.
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
It would have been equally long with paragraphs. Not going to change the way I write for you. If that means it doesn't get read because I'm not willing to present it the way you want to look at it, then okay with that.
Writing styles are unique to individuals and can't imagine anyone changing their own writing voice to please other people. It's weird anyone would suggest you do that. Have probably been critical at some point of others writing, but would be irritated if they actually changed it because of that.
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
It would have been equally long with paragraphs. Not going to change the way I write for you. If that means it doesn't get read because I'm not willing to present it the way you want to look at it, then okay with that.
Writing styles are unique to individuals and can't imagine anyone changing their own writing voice to please other people. It's weird anyone would suggest you do that. Have probably been critical at some point of others writing, but would be irritated if they actually changed it because of that.
Go back to being your true self, Jack. It's not your job to be a conversationalist. It's not really your writing style, it's our writing style, and you persona is likable because you don't have much to say. :hahaha:
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
It would have been equally long with paragraphs. Not going to change the way I write for you. If that means it doesn't get read because I'm not willing to present it the way you want to look at it, then okay with that.
Writing styles are unique to individuals and can't imagine anyone changing their own writing voice to please other people. It's weird anyone would suggest you do that. Have probably been critical at some point of others writing, but would be irritated if they actually changed it because of that.
Which is fine, but my eyesight makes reading paragraphs like that very hard, so I tend to avoid them. It's a shame because it means I sometimes miss out on things.
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
It would have been equally long with paragraphs. Not going to change the way I write for you. If that means it doesn't get read because I'm not willing to present it the way you want to look at it, then okay with that.
Writing styles are unique to individuals and can't imagine anyone changing their own writing voice to please other people. It's weird anyone would suggest you do that. Have probably been critical at some point of others writing, but would be irritated if they actually changed it because of that.
Which is fine, but my eyesight makes reading paragraphs like that very hard, so I tend to avoid them. It's a shame because it means I sometimes miss out on things.
Brings back memories. An exam about German book with hardly any proper paragraphs. And sentences that ran 13 rules long with that too.
I had to structure every page with massive pencil linings to make it clear to me where to pauze and how the lines were running.
One of the horror exams. (That I had not taken German in the last three years at secondary school was not helping either)
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It's not often am inspired to talk this much. You should thank him.
:M
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
It would have been equally long with paragraphs. Not going to change the way I write for you. If that means it doesn't get read because I'm not willing to present it the way you want to look at it, then okay with that.
Writing styles are unique to individuals and can't imagine anyone changing their own writing voice to please other people. It's weird anyone would suggest you do that. Have probably been critical at some point of others writing, but would be irritated if they actually changed it because of that.
Which is fine, but my eyesight makes reading paragraphs like that very hard, so I tend to avoid them. It's a shame because it means I sometimes miss out on things.
Same for me. I think my eyesight has something to do with it as well. I will just have to miss out.
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Could Jack/Gary use paragraphs? It is easier to read then. Thanks. :)
No.
TL;DR then.
It would have been equally long with paragraphs. Not going to change the way I write for you. If that means it doesn't get read because I'm not willing to present it the way you want to look at it, then okay with that.
Writing styles are unique to individuals and can't imagine anyone changing their own writing voice to please other people. It's weird anyone would suggest you do that. Have probably been critical at some point of others writing, but would be irritated if they actually changed it because of that.
Which is fine, but my eyesight makes reading paragraphs like that very hard, so I tend to avoid them. It's a shame because it means I sometimes miss out on things.
Same for me. I think my eyesight has something to do with it as well. I will just have to miss out.
Not sure if it's my eyesight but a block of text like that won't process for me. The weird thing is that I used to write like that. I changed it partly because I couldn't read what I wrote but also because others couldn't either. I don't think paragraph breaks have much to do with style for me. Mine is in the meaning of the words. Patterns do emerge but they tend to be things like repeated phrases lined up with each other. Not on purpose.
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Paragraphs are generally five character indents, not double spacing of lines breaking text into small chunks with gaps between. Not certain how people manage reading much of anything.
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I don't think paragraph breaks have much to do with style for me. Mine is in the meaning of the words. Patterns do emerge but they tend to be things like repeated phrases lined up with each other. Not on purpose.
Lots of things come across as personal style to me. Can sometimes see a person in their writing without even reading the words. Habits in the use of the return and space keys are certainly among that.
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Paragraphs are generally five character indents, not double spacing of lines breaking text into small chunks with gaps between. Not certain how people manage reading much of anything.
When swimming under water (no diving gear), resurfacing every now and then to take a deep breath is comfortable. Makes reaching the other side of the lake a lot easier.
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Probably wont be a common problem; Piper is right.
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Got taught that paragraphing is as important as punctuation. Most of the time sentences are readable and understandable without punctuation. But, sometimes the meaning becomes obscure without.
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Will have to remember that when submitting my next assignment. :laugh:
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Got taught that paragraphing is as important as punctuation. Most of the time sentences are readable and understandable without punctuation. But, sometimes the meaning becomes obscure without.
Itisjustasimportantasthespacesbetweenthewordsinasentence.
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Got taught that paragraphing is as important as punctuation. Most of the time sentences are readable and understandable without punctuation. But, sometimes the meaning becomes obscure without.
Itisjustasimportantasthespacesbetweenthewordsinasentence.
THEANCIENTGREEKDIDNOTUSETHATTHEYWROTEINCAPITALSALLTHETIMETOO.MAKESONELONGBACKFORTHEGOODOLDDAYSISNTIT?
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:GA:
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Got taught that paragraphing is as important as punctuation. Most of the time sentences are readable and understandable without punctuation. But, sometimes the meaning becomes obscure without.
Itisjustasimportantasthespacesbetweenthewordsinasentence.
THEANCIENTGREEKDIDNOTUSETHATTHEYWROTEINCAPITALSALLTHETIMETOO.MAKESONELONGBACKFORTHEGOODOLDDAYSISNTIT?
Jack actually likes that; throw in some numeric characters and it would look just like work. Still, might as well ask those with poor punctuation and capitalization practices to change, ask those who abuse the ellipsis to change, ask those who write in prose format to change, or if all else fails then don't read it.
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Got taught that paragraphing is as important as punctuation. Most of the time sentences are readable and understandable without punctuation. But, sometimes the meaning becomes obscure without.
Itisjustasimportantasthespacesbetweenthewordsinasentence.
THEANCIENTGREEKDIDNOTUSETHATTHEYWROTEINCAPITALSALLTHETIMETOO.MAKESONELONGBACKFORTHEGOODOLDDAYSISNTIT?
Jack actually likes that; throw in some numeric characters and it would look just like work. Still, might as well ask those with poor punctuation and capitalization practices to change, ask those who abuse the ellipsis to change, ask those who write in prose format to change, or if all else fails then don't read it.
Now the not liking paragraphs by Jack is making sense to me.
Maybe you'd love learning classic Greek, written down old style. That might even bring Lit back.
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:laugh"
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Now the not liking paragraphs by Jack is making sense to me.
Jack thinks in giant walls with streaming columns of characters, yes. It's not only Jack. It's me; rambling walls of narcissistic text. Though as said before, probably wont be a frequent problem coming from Jack. Thinking it was a mistake.
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Now the not liking paragraphs by Jack is making sense to me.
Jack thinks in giant walls with streaming columns of characters, yes. It's not only Jack. It's me; rambling walls of narcissistic text. Though as said before, probably wont be a frequent problem coming from Jack. Thinking it was a mistake.
It's Jack, it's you. We all shine through in the way we write, not only in what we write. Shape and content belong together. If you change the shape, the contents changes too, and vice versa.
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Still
having
problems
reading
long
paragraphs.
I
appreciate
that
it
is
a
question
of
style
but
I
can't
help
it
.
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For Jack:
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/hetiswat/cats%202010/Trivia/Rosetta%20stone%20Dirk%20Moerbeek._zpsnslkhoao.jpg) (http://s1212.photobucket.com/user/hetiswat/media/cats%202010/Trivia/Rosetta%20stone%20Dirk%20Moerbeek._zpsnslkhoao.jpg.html)
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Don't get me wrong; programming language is completely Greek to me. It's less of a solid wall and more of a streaming matrix. Maybe next time being prompted to be overly wordy, will instead post in a monospace font. It's interesting what streaming patters the brain unintentionally can make; though it certainly will be even more difficult to read but probably still more appropriate of me. For Hyke: :laugh:
(http://www.horniman.info/DOCUMNTS/HTIMAGES/EXCEL.JPG)
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Still
having
problems
reading
long
paragraphs.
I
appreciate
that
it
is
a
question
of
style
but
I
can't
help
it
.
Then simply take comfort in it wont likely happen again.
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What about
Cal's poetic style
which is designed
to emphasize
the most narcissistic
turns of phrase?
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He is an evil poet
and that makes him
very special.
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Don't get me wrong; programming language is completely Greek to me. It's less of a solid wall and more of a streaming matrix. Maybe next time being prompted to be overly wordy, will instead post in a monospace font. It's interesting what streaming patters the brain unintentionally can make; though it certainly will be even more difficult to read but probably still more appropriate of me. For Hyke: :laugh:
(http://www.horniman.info/DOCUMNTS/HTIMAGES/EXCEL.JPG)
Reminds me of a database typing job I had during a holiday. Had to bring all activities of nurses done for patients in tables, together with time and code and place and such.
Nasty thing was, once you hit a typo, and had used enter, there was no way of going back to undo the fault.
So, asked for help, because somehow I did make typos, apparently I was human.
Had made a list of all my mistakes in the database. A specialist came from an other city to undo my mistakes. He fixed it, and then told me to never call again. Because the only thing that would happen with this database was print it and save it in a cellar.
:facepalm2:
Took the nurses lots of their time with patients to write every action down, with time and such. And all was just for filling the basement.
Since then I am less fond of tables. :laugh:
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Paragraphs are generally five character indents, not double spacing of lines breaking text into small chunks with gaps between. Not certain how people manage reading much of anything.
When swimming under water (no diving gear), resurfacing every now and then to take a deep breath is comfortable. Makes reaching the other side of the lake a lot easier.
Agreed. I have watched the grammar changes with a bit of dismay; however this change, when it reached classroom etiquette was welcome. I suspect that mine is some combination of dyslexia and ADHD. When I was in grad school I had to use a ruler or cardboard to mask parts of what I was reading so I could maintain my course.
It was a good thing once. My mother wanted me to go to catholic high school, and I took the test but missed two pages of questions. My mother was furious that I had gotten a low grade. To appease her I took another test and got into a high school for the gifted. The rest of the time it was a bit of a nightmare because no one ever believed that I could be learning disabled. They'd rather believe that it was genetic and related to skin color.
I can read small books with no trouble now, but textbooks are harder. Some formats of ebooks are great because I can adjust how much text is displayed, and because many of them break up the text with lines between. When I am in a mood I change how I capitalize, and I am not sure what is a prose style. I'm sure that I do some forms of punctuation incorrectly; I'm picking up bad habits from my students.
OK, i've been up much too long....
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Reminds me of a database typing job I had during a holiday. Had to bring all activities of nurses done for patients in tables, together with time and code and place and such.
Nasty thing was, once you hit a typo, and had used enter, there was no way of going back to undo the fault.
So, asked for help, because somehow I did make typos, apparently I was human.
Had made a list of all my mistakes in the database. A specialist came from an other city to undo my mistakes. He fixed it, and then told me to never call again. Because the only thing that would happen with this database was print it and save it in a cellar.
:facepalm2:
Took the nurses lots of their time with patients to write every action down, with time and such. And all was just for filling the basement.
Since then I am less fond of tables. :laugh:
Yes, all relational databases probably spit out their information looking similar. Relational table structure is a lot like sentence diagraming, just understanding the architecture of the information and piecing it together.
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I suspect that mine is some combination of dyslexia and ADHD.
Tend to find it enables me to be a lazy reader and less likely to read an entire large post, only reading the small chunks that catch my eye. Interesting that you used to write the same way.
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What about
Cal's poetic style
which is designed
to emphasize
the most narcissistic
turns of phrase?
Drove me nuts
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What about
Cal's poetic style
which is designed
to emphasize
the most narcissistic
turns of phrase?
Drove me nuts
Many years ago had a preference for newspaper column style writing, with multiple columns filling a page with justified formatted so the text perfectly aligned to both the right and left margins. It's a nice symmetrical visual presentation, but columns annoy a lot of people because they feel like they're reading the page multiple times.
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What about
Cal's poetic style
which is designed
to emphasize
the most narcissistic
turns of phrase?
:GA:
It really is designed for maximum narcissism.
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http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/07/31/july-is-baltimores-3rd-most-deadliest-month-in-history/ (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/07/31/july-is-baltimores-3rd-most-deadliest-month-in-history/)
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Landing there tomorrow night.
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Are you roaming the earth now, because of your work?
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Are you roaming the earth now, because of your work?
I'm attending a conference in Bethesda--same one as last year--and Baltimore is close enough. Although I know now that I should avoid the place like the plague.
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Are you roaming the earth now, because of your work?
I'm attending a conference in Bethesda--same one as last year--and Baltimore is close enough. Although I know now that I should avoid the place like the plague.
How long are you there? I live right next to DC.
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Are you roaming the earth now, because of your work?
I'm attending a conference in Bethesda--same one as last year--and Baltimore is close enough. Although I know now that I should avoid the place like the plague.
Baltimore has an odd smell to it we noticed it when we drove to Florida a couple years ago when we stopped for gas then on the way back stopped for snacks it was still there.
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Baltimore has an odd smell to it
It smells like your momma's breath. :zoinks:
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Are you roaming the earth now, because of your work?
I'm attending a conference in Bethesda--same one as last year--and Baltimore is close enough. Although I know now that I should avoid the place like the plague.
How long are you there? I live right next to DC.
I'm flying out from IAD on Saturday evening.
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Trigger lives somewhere around here, too, but it's been a while since he logged on. :-\
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It's a false narrative.
Blacks aren't being systematically oppressed, Blacks simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM
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It's a false narrative.
Blacks aren't being systematically oppressed, Blacks simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM
Tell that to all the unarmed blacks who get shot or beaten by police then I guess. :dunno:
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It's a false narrative.
White aren't being systematically reverse oppressed, their police simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
I want to play too.
fixed.
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You're just feeding the troll
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You're just feeding the troll
caught!
:boatfish:
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Tell that to all the unarmed blacks who get shot or beaten by police then I guess. :dunno:
Aaah yes, ONLY the black lives matter. Unarmed whites who shot or beaten by police can just go fuck themselves. ::)
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It's a false narrative.
White aren't being systematically reverse oppressed, their police simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
I want to play too.
fixed.
While I certainly agree that police, post 9/11, have become very thuggish, the fact remains that a strong, black criminal culture persists and is the root of the disproportionate violence committed by blacks and the police response to it.
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It's a false narrative.
White aren't being systematically reverse oppressed, their police simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
I want to play too.
fixed.
the fact remains that a strong, white dominant culture persists and is the root of the disproportionate violence committed by the police.
fixed
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Tell that to all the unarmed blacks who get shot or beaten by police then I guess. :dunno:
Aaah yes, ONLY the black lives matter. Unarmed whites who shot or beaten by police can just go fuck themselves. ::)
Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to read.
If you're going to put words in someone's mouth try a little bit harder next time, alright sweetheart? :eyelash:
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It's a false narrative.
White aren't being systematically reverse oppressed, their police simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
I want to play too.
fixed.
the fact remains that a strong, white dominant culture persists and is the root of the disproportionate violence committed by the police.
fixed
Fucking SJW wanker can't argue against other viewpoints, or facts. You just twist things to fit the SJW narrative. :wanker:
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Tell that to all the unarmed blacks who get shot or beaten by police then I guess. :dunno:
Aaah yes, ONLY the black lives matter. Unarmed whites who shot or beaten by police can just go fuck themselves. ::)
Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to read.
If you're going to put words in someone's mouth try a little bit harder next time, alright sweetheart? :eyelash:
I wasn't putting words in you mouth dumbass, I was just finishing the narrative that you were quoting from.
Apparently you are blissfully ignorant of the #Blacklivesmatter vs the #AllLivesmatter controversy.
Here un the US, if you mention the fact that more whites are killed by police than blacks, you will face a shitstorm of abuse from the shithead SJW's.
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It's a false narrative.
White aren't being systematically reverse oppressed, their police simply expect to act like thugs without any consequences.
I want to play too.
fixed.
the fact remains that a strong, white dominant culture persists and is the root of the disproportionate violence committed by the police.
fixed
Fucking SJW wanker can't argue against other viewpoints, or facts. You just twist things to fit the SJW narrative. :wanker:
:rofl:
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Tell that to all the unarmed blacks who get shot or beaten by police then I guess. :dunno:
Aaah yes, ONLY the black lives matter. Unarmed whites who shot or beaten by police can just go fuck themselves. ::)
Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to read.
If you're going to put words in someone's mouth try a little bit harder next time, alright sweetheart? :eyelash:
I wasn't putting words in you mouth dumbass, I was just finishing the narrative that you were quoting from.
Pappy logic: If someone dosen't like it when police kill black people it must automatically mean they don't give a shit when police kill people of other ethnic backgrounds, especially white people.
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S_B logic: Quote mine your opponent, make a straw-man argument based on that quote mine, declare victory. :wanker:
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Anyone who has to declare their own victory is generally full of it.
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I win!! :zoinks:
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That's an impressive mouthful of It, rodent.
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:eyelash:
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Are you roaming the earth now, because of your work?
I'm attending a conference in Bethesda--same one as last year--and Baltimore is close enough. Although I know now that I should avoid the place like the plague.
How long are you there? I live right next to DC.
Dexter Morgan was here today, but hasn't posted in like 10 months r something. :-\
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Didn't he post more recently than that? :-\
I'm going to the same conference again this year.
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That was his last post.
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Time flies, then. He should come back.
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(https://www.ultimateflags.com/images/C/shirt-rebel-lives-matter.png)
The rebels are all dead now. Like, over a hundred years ago. Hope that doesn't spoil your day. :trollskull:
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Former slaves are all dead too. Some people just don't want to move on.