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Title: radars can 'see' inside homes
Post by: skyblue1 on January 20, 2015, 05:19:22 PM

WASHINGTON — At least 50 U.S. law enforcement agencies have secretly equipped their officers with radar devices that allow them to effectively peer through the walls of houses to see whether anyone is inside, a practice raising new concerns about the extent of government surveillance.

Those agencies, including the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service, began deploying the radar systems more than two years ago with little notice to the courts and no public disclosure of when or how they would be used. The technology raises legal and privacy issues because the U.S. Supreme Court has said officers generally cannot use high-tech sensors to tell them about the inside of a person's house without first obtaining a search warrant.

The radars work like finely tuned motion detectors, using radio waves to zero in on movements as slight as human breathing from a distance of more than 50 feet. They can detect whether anyone is inside of a house, where they are and whether they are moving.

Current and former federal officials say the information is critical for keeping officers safe if they need to storm buildings or rescue hostages. But privacy advocates and judges have nonetheless expressed concern about the circumstances in which law enforcement agencies may be using the radars — and the fact that they have so far done so without public scrutiny.

"The idea that the government can send signals through the wall of your house to figure out what's inside is problematic," said Christopher Soghoian, the American Civil Liberties Union's principal technologist. "Technologies that allow the police to look inside of a home are among the intrusive tools that police have."

Agents' use of the radars was largely unknown until December, when a federal appeals court in Denver said officers had used one before they entered a house to arrest a man wanted for violating his parole. The judges expressed alarm that agents had used the new technology without a search warrant, warning that "the government's warrantless use of such a powerful tool to search inside homes poses grave Fourth Amendment questions."

By then, however, the technology was hardly new. Federal contract records show the Marshals Service began buying the radars in 2012, and has so far spent at least $180,000 on them.

Justice Department spokesman Patrick Rodenbush said officials are reviewing the court's decision. He said the Marshals Service "routinely pursues and arrests violent offenders based on pre-established probable cause in arrest warrants" for serious crimes.

The device the Marshals Service and others are using, known as the Range-R, looks like a sophisticated stud-finder. Its display shows whether it has detected movement on the other side of a wall and, if so, how far away it is — but it does not show a picture of what's happening inside. The Range-R's maker, L-3 Communications, estimates it has sold about 200 devices to 50 law enforcement agencies at a cost of about $6,000 each.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/.../22007615/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/.../22007615/)
Title: Re: radars can 'see' inside homes
Post by: Parts on January 20, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
A waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.  I 'm skeptical whether  these things will work even half as well as advertised in a real world environment
Title: Re: radars can 'see' inside homes
Post by: Phallacy on January 21, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
A waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.  I 'm skeptical whether  these things will work even half as well as advertised in a real world environment

Pfft. 180k is like peanuts to them. How much were they spending on that new fighter jet thing again?
Title: Re: radars can 'see' inside homes
Post by: ZEGH8578 on January 21, 2015, 12:12:13 PM
I always like imagining this stuff as - stuff we're just doing to wrap up the final details - like when you run through the house looking for cellphone and keys.
You know
before we decide to shape up, build mobile self sustained mega-habitats in space, and fly off and out of the galaxy, aided by artificial gravitational fields and warp speed.

We just have to finish up a bit of radaring, arresting of druggies, some hand-cuff slapping, and some bombing up sandy places. Just wrapping stuff up a bit!
Title: Re: radars can 'see' inside homes
Post by: Gopher Gary on January 21, 2015, 08:13:15 PM
A waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. 

They're cheaper from the comic books.  :zoinks:


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