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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Semicolon on December 09, 2014, 11:09:22 AM

Title: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Semicolon on December 09, 2014, 11:09:22 AM
Beloit Police Ask Residents To Volunteer To Have Their Homes Searched For Guns

Chief Of Police Says He Hopes Initiative Can Help Residents Begin Thinking Differently About Guns

Quote from: Gilman Halsted, Wisconsin Public Radio
Police in Beloit are launching a new effort to reduce gun violence in which they're asking city residents to volunteer to have police search their homes for guns.

Police Chief Norm Jacobs said he doesn't expect the phone to be ringing off the hook with requests for police to search their homes. He nevertheless hopes the program will encourage people to think about gun violence as an infectious disease like Ebola, and a home inspection like a vaccine to help build up the city's immune system.

"Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media, and we should fight it using the tools that we've learned from our health providers,” he said.

Jacobs said he hopes some searches will result in the discovery of guns they didn't know were in their own homes. He said that there’s also a chance they’ll find guns linked to crimes.

“That's really what we're looking for,” he said. “Maybe we'll find a toy gun that's been altered by a youngster in the house — and we know the tragedies that can occur there on occasion.”

There have been seven gun homicides in Beloit this year. Four of the victims were teenagers or young men in their 20s — like Melisha Holloway's 20-year-old son Raymond, who was killed in April. Holloway said too many young men have given up on school.

“Pretty much all those kids and young men just need to be is educated,” said Holloway. “You have a lot of them that barely read at a fifth-grade level yet they're 25 year-old-men. But they know how to work a gun. There's something wrong with that picture."

This week, 20-year-old Jajuan Logan was sentenced to 12 years in prison for Holloway's murder.

Source (http://www.wpr.org/beloit-police-ask-residents-volunteer-have-their-homes-searched-guns)

I haven't been able to find left-wing coverage of the story, so beware of bias. :GA:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Parts on December 09, 2014, 12:46:10 PM
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I haven't been able to find left-wing coverage of the story, so beware of bias. :GA:

NPR is in general left-wing.

Anyone consenting to a search like that needs to taken in for a full mental evaluation
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: RageBeoulve on December 09, 2014, 01:36:13 PM
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Beloit Police Ask Residents To Volunteer To Have Their Homes Searched For Guns

Hang him.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Semicolon on December 09, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
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I haven't been able to find left-wing coverage of the story, so beware of bias. :GA:

NPR is in general left-wing.

Anyone consenting to a search like that needs to taken in for a full mental evaluation

I find it insidious that the police chief invokes children in his argument.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Parts on December 09, 2014, 02:41:06 PM
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I haven't been able to find left-wing coverage of the story, so beware of bias. :GA:

NPR is in general left-wing.

Anyone consenting to a search like that needs to taken in for a full mental evaluation

I find it insidious that the police chief invokes children in his argument.

Bringing up the police shooting murder  of that kid  in Cleveland was particularly low even though he didn't mention it directly you know he was referring to it
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Gopher Gary on December 09, 2014, 06:47:50 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Icequeen on December 09, 2014, 07:04:31 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:

I don't let strangers in my house.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Gopher Gary on December 09, 2014, 07:07:50 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:

I don't let strangers in my house.

But you can give them your guns to help combat the spread of ebola.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Semicolon on December 09, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:

I don't let strangers in my house.

But you can give them your guns to help combat the spread of ebola.  :zoinks:

Perhaps this well-reasoned argument will finally convince me that guns are inherently evil. :autism:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: odeon on December 10, 2014, 02:04:11 AM
It's a bit worrying if they really are inherently evil, but maybe that's why they want to search your house. They are only trying to protect you from the evil guns.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Parts on December 10, 2014, 08:22:48 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Semicolon on December 10, 2014, 08:31:10 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

:indeed:

An empty bottle could be drug paraphernalia, and money left in the open could be the proceeds of a drug deal. :autism:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: RageBeoulve on December 10, 2014, 09:52:08 AM
I suggest the residents of Wisconsin let the evil guns out of their safes and let them run wild all over so they can fly around and shoot all the police.

That'll give people an excuse to put the evil guns down once and for all. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Icequeen on December 10, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

You're just lucky the hazmat suit and the civil defense barrels where in another room. :heisenberg:

Seriously, we had local police show up at our house in the 70's when I was a kid...someone told them about my dad collecting guns and reloading his own ammo. They came out to "look around". :LOL:

You step out on the porch, close the door behind you and ask them what they want...which is exactly what he did at the time. Anything else, they need a warrant.

My dad was pissed.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Gopher Gary on December 10, 2014, 08:51:52 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:

I don't let strangers in my house.

But you can give them your guns to help combat the spread of ebola.  :zoinks:

Perhaps this well-reasoned argument will finally convince me that guns are inherently evil. :autism:

Ebola guns are truly evil. Surrender to search and seizure or risk the infection.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Gopher Gary on December 10, 2014, 08:58:51 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:

I don't let strangers in my house.

That too.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Semicolon on December 10, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
I don't let strangers in my house because they might have ebola.  :zoinks:

I don't let strangers in my house.

But you can give them your guns to help combat the spread of ebola.  :zoinks:

Perhaps this well-reasoned argument will finally convince me that guns are inherently evil. :autism:

Ebola guns are truly evil. Surrender to search and seizure or risk the infection.  :zoinks:

I surrender! Don't infect me! :GA:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: odeon on December 11, 2014, 12:43:13 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

WTF?

It's like a police state. Next thing you'll end up in Guantanamo. :o
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: odeon on December 11, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

You're just lucky the hazmat suit and the civil defense barrels where in another room. :heisenberg:

Seriously, we had local police show up at our house in the 70's when I was a kid...someone told them about my dad collecting guns and reloading his own ammo. They came out to "look around". :LOL:

You step out on the porch, close the door behind you and ask them what they want...which is exactly what he did at the time. Anything else, they need a warrant.

My dad was pissed.

How did it go?
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Icequeen on December 11, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

You're just lucky the hazmat suit and the civil defense barrels where in another room. :heisenberg:

Seriously, we had local police show up at our house in the 70's when I was a kid...someone told them about my dad collecting guns and reloading his own ammo. They came out to "look around". :LOL:

You step out on the porch, close the door behind you and ask them what they want...which is exactly what he did at the time. Anything else, they need a warrant.

My dad was pissed.

How did it go?

Actually I think the one that came out (newbie) ended up getting a reprimand...and another one that he knew on the force apologized. I think they did ask some of his friends about him...which I'm sure wasn't hard, he drank coffee with half the town every morning.

Looking back on it, I have no idea what they thought. :dunno: He was a quiet man, who worked at a flood control dam and had a basement full of gunpowder. :LOL:
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Parts on December 11, 2014, 03:04:53 PM
My son once was threatened  with the charge of having a deadly weapon in his car after they saw a hammer on his back seat then used the threat to bully him into letting them search his car,  they could not have charged him but he was just 18 and didn't know any better.  They will always find something to make things difficult for you if you don't Respect  their Authoritah
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: odeon on December 12, 2014, 12:04:14 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

You're just lucky the hazmat suit and the civil defense barrels where in another room. :heisenberg:

Seriously, we had local police show up at our house in the 70's when I was a kid...someone told them about my dad collecting guns and reloading his own ammo. They came out to "look around". :LOL:

You step out on the porch, close the door behind you and ask them what they want...which is exactly what he did at the time. Anything else, they need a warrant.

My dad was pissed.

How did it go?

Actually I think the one that came out (newbie) ended up getting a reprimand...and another one that he knew on the force apologized. I think they did ask some of his friends about him...which I'm sure wasn't hard, he drank coffee with half the town every morning.

Looking back on it, I have no idea what they thought. :dunno: He was a quiet man, who worked at a flood control dam and had a basement full of gunpowder. :LOL:

The quiet ones are the ones you have to worry about. :P
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 12, 2014, 10:47:52 AM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

You're just lucky the hazmat suit and the civil defense barrels where in another room. :heisenberg:

Seriously, we had local police show up at our house in the 70's when I was a kid...someone told them about my dad collecting guns and reloading his own ammo. They came out to "look around". :LOL:

You step out on the porch, close the door behind you and ask them what they want...which is exactly what he did at the time. Anything else, they need a warrant.

My dad was pissed.

How did it go?

Actually I think the one that came out (newbie) ended up getting a reprimand...and another one that he knew on the force apologized. I think they did ask some of his friends about him...which I'm sure wasn't hard, he drank coffee with half the town every morning.

Looking back on it, I have no idea what they thought. :dunno: He was a quiet man, who worked at a flood control dam and had a basement full of gunpowder. :LOL:

The quiet ones are the ones you have to worry about. :P

I can honestly say that in my years, I have had dozens of contacts with police and none of them have been pleasant. I do not give any quarter and I am prepared to go balls to the wall over ANY interaction
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: odeon on December 14, 2014, 03:16:03 AM
I've had both good and bad, and a few very confusing ones.
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: RageBeoulve on December 14, 2014, 07:41:03 PM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

WTF?

It's like a police state. Next thing you'll end up in Guantanamo. :o

There is enough tyranny here now that things like this exist.

http://www.innocentdown.org/ (http://www.innocentdown.org/)
Title: Re: Police in Beloit, Wisconsin ask residents to voluntarily consent to gun searches
Post by: odeon on December 14, 2014, 11:46:10 PM
My wife's wallet was stolen once and the police came over the house to take the report while inside they noticed some antique lab glassware I had in a china cabinet after that the stolen wallet seamed secondary it was all about the lab glassware and it felt like I was the one being investigated,  I can't imagine what they would think if they did a full walk through :zombiefuck:   Since then I have stressed to my wife and kids they are not allowed inside that goes for any sort of government type letting them in is just asking for trouble.

WTF?

It's like a police state. Next thing you'll end up in Guantanamo. :o

There is enough tyranny here now that things like this exist.

http://www.innocentdown.org/ (http://www.innocentdown.org/)

:(