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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 24, 2014, 07:29:00 PM
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Move along people, nothing to see here. :police: :trainwreck:
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Moving along. :zoinks:
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Ferguson?
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how the FUCK did they not indict
JESUS
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I started reading through the transcript of the testimony yesterday and got through the cop's part but not the guy who was with Michael Brown.
According to the cop, the dude was punching him through his open car window and when he tried to pull his gun, the guy grabbed it and turned it down so it was aimed at his thigh. It was after that, that he got the gun back up and started shooting.
It was pretty pathetic though, the language the cop used, which he'd obviously been coached into, about believing the guy was a credible threat. Things like when he tried to grab Michael Brown's arm, it felt like "a 5-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan". WTF? Why are you a cop?
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Did anyone really expect them too?
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Did anyone really expect them too?
No. You could tell that they knew in advance based on their preperations for the announcement.
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This was expected.
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:violin: I am so sick of hearing about this...
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Did anyone really expect them too?
No. You could tell that they knew in advance based on their preperations for the announcement.
They should have held off on making the announcement till 6AM today when most would have been asleep not out protesting in the streets, it would have given them a bit of a buffer.
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Did anyone really expect them too?
No. You could tell that they knew in advance based on their preperations for the announcement.
They should have held off on making the announcement till 6AM today when most would have been asleep not out protesting in the streets, it would have given them a bit of a buffer.
agreed...also most of the 'protesters' are not even from the area... :thumbdn:
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I started reading through the transcript of the testimony yesterday and got through the cop's part but not the guy who was with Michael Brown.
According to the cop, the dude was punching him through his open car window and when he tried to pull his gun, the guy grabbed it and turned it down so it was aimed at his thigh. It was after that, that he got the gun back up and started shooting.
It was pretty pathetic though, the language the cop used, which he'd obviously been coached into, about believing the guy was a credible threat. Things like when he tried to grab Michael Brown's arm, it felt like "a 5-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan". WTF? Why are you a cop?
The cop should have called for back up rather than pursue him. Either way, the racial aspect of this case seems forced.
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Well at least the rioting isn't all bad they burnt down the Little Caesars saving the community from crappy pizza :zoinks:
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:violin: I am so sick of hearing about this...
Then move along. :zoinks:
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The cop should have called for back up rather than pursue him. Either way, the racial aspect of this case seems forced.
If his account is truthful (I have doubts) then he called for backup before he first approached the guy, but it hadn't shown yet. He tried to call for backup again after the first two shots were fired, when Brown was leaving, but because he was so fried on adrenalin at that point, he didn't realize his walkie talkie was on the wrong channel and nobody got the message.
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Well at least the rioting isn't all bad they burnt down the Little Caesars saving the community from crappy pizza :zoinks:
I like your positive outlook on things. :zoinks:
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Policeman? Lie. That is the answer. They can't start locking police up for killing people especially when police are the only ones allowed to kill it's own citizens and armed with lethal weapons to do so.
That would break the system
Besides poor policeman. So what if he killed someone's son and brother and friend and then lied about it. He probably felt a bit bad afterwards and I am sure he wouldn't do it again.
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Yaknow what, picard says it better:
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It doesn't even matter if the fucking kid was black or not. The police officer did not get put in prison for murder, and he murdered a kid. An unarmed kid.
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Yaknow what, picard says it better:
(http://i.imgur.com/4VEvheq.jpg)
Not enough evidence to be found guilty, and rather than have a continuing media circus with a trial, the prosecutor moved against indictment.
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What about that other kid? No evidence there either? :-\
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What other kid??
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What other kid??
Dorian Johnson, whose testimony can be read here (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/24/michael_brown_and_darren_wilson_grand_jury_dorian_johnson_testimony.html).
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What other kid??
Dorian Johnson, whose testimony can be read here (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/24/michael_brown_and_darren_wilson_grand_jury_dorian_johnson_testimony.html).
His testimony did not line up with forensic evidence.
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The burden of proof to indict is typically very, very low. If it had been anyone but a cop, he'd have been indicted.
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I don't understand why a jury was needed to indict. Isn't a jury something that decides guilt or innocence in a criminal trial? Is it because it was a cop who killed the man, so it wouldn't make sense for police to be making a decision whether to arrest him and bring charges or not?
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The burden of proof to indict is typically very, very low.
Althought true, the other consideration is the likelyhood of conviction. In a trial that is likely to cost well into the millions of dollars, you don't want to waste the DA's budget on cases where chances of a conviction aren't that good.
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The burden of proof to indict is typically very, very low.
Althought true, the other consideration is the likelyhood of conviction. In a trial that is likely to cost well into the millions of dollars, you don't want to waste the DA's budget on cases where chances of a conviction aren't that good.
Especially not when the accused actually knows the law too well to be cowed into pleading out when there isn't adequate evidence for a conviction and he knows it, I suppose.
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I am a bit surprised actually.
Weren't they going to get medals? Medals for bravery and gallantry? Given the "key to the city" perhaps?
Bronze statues in the town square?
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It does look like the cop killed an unarmed teen, but he will not be sent to prison. On the other side of the coin, Ferguson is making a terrible mistake in the way it is handling things. Perhaps it should have taken a look at Detroit before deciding to loot and riot the way it has.
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It does look like the cop killed an unarmed teen, but he will not be sent to prison. On the other side of the coin, Ferguson is making a terrible mistake in the way it is handling things. Perhaps it should have taken a look at Detroit before deciding to loot and riot the way it has.
I read that as unharmed teen at first. Couldn't figure out what you meant. :P
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*scratches arm pits* :include:
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:LOL:
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:LOL:
Laughing does like a balm...for the Bible says so...Prov. 17:22 A cheerful disposition is good for your health; gloom and doom leave you bone-tired. I also love this verse... It’s stupid to try to get something for nothing, or run up huge bills you can never pay. Prov. 17:18
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Immersed in a reality of insanity, sometimes all you -can- do is laugh.
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I bet they laugh a lot in Ferguson Missouri. :P
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/01/opinion/ghitis-police-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/01/opinion/ghitis-police-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
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When a black cop kills a innocent white man, it doesn't make worldwide news and cause riots. Same thing happened in London a few years ago. A mixed raced thug got shot by the police and London went into turmoil. Few years before an innocent Brazilian man got shot by the police 8 times, and no riots.
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When a black cop kills a innocent white man, it doesn't make worldwide news and cause riots. Same thing happened in London a few years ago. A mixed raced thug got shot by the police and London went into turmoil. Few years before an innocent Brazilian man got shot by the police 8 times, and no riots.
well riots are kind of counter productive and take a lot of effort... :yarly: Further I've noted that when it comes to Isreal folks get all their granny panties in a twist oh yes they will do dang twister over that issue... :violin: it's weird but it's humanity go fig
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bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"
^Consequences.
We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.
So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.
But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it :)
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Just because it's true doesn't lend any sense to it, Zeg. Ancestral guilt and ancestral victimhood are a bunch of crap. Fuck them. :orly:
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Just because it's true doesn't lend any sense to it, Zeg. Ancestral guilt and ancestral victimhood are a bunch of crap. Fuck them. :orly:
I know, a-bunch-of-crap is one of our greatest traditions :M
I'm just saying, we should expect this by now. It's been fucking ages. We should begin to know how we function, and not be so surprised all the time. I kinda like it tho, like some people point out: Cops shoots a white person, and nobody bats an eye. So... if there were no blacks, cops would be just popping everyone, untill there were nobody left, cus nobody would care :D
Blacks make people care about police brutality :M
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Just because it's true doesn't lend any sense to it, Zeg. Ancestral guilt and ancestral victimhood are a bunch of crap. Fuck them. :orly:
I know, a-bunch-of-crap is one of our greatest traditions :M
I'm just saying, we should expect this by now. It's been fucking ages. We should begin to know how we function, and not be so surprised all the time. I kinda like it tho, like some people point out: Cops shoots a white person, and nobody bats an eye. So... if there were no blacks, cops would be just popping everyone, untill there were nobody left, cus nobody would care :D
Okay, I get that, and yeah I guess it's expected.
Blacks make people care about police brutality :M
I don't think that's true. The one thing I remember most about the Rodney King riots, was seeing a black man on the news outside the front of his grocery store. He was crying and sobbing at the crowd, why, why had they done this to him, he didn't do anything to anyone, he has a family, that's his livelihood, why did they have to destroy his store? Fucking animals is why. Maybe all the cops should be black, cops would just be popping everyone, until there were nobody left, cus nobody would care. :D
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Just because it's true doesn't lend any sense to it, Zeg. Ancestral guilt and ancestral victimhood are a bunch of crap. Fuck them. :orly:
I know, a-bunch-of-crap is one of our greatest traditions :M
I'm just saying, we should expect this by now. It's been fucking ages. We should begin to know how we function, and not be so surprised all the time. I kinda like it tho, like some people point out: Cops shoots a white person, and nobody bats an eye. So... if there were no blacks, cops would be just popping everyone, untill there were nobody left, cus nobody would care :D
Blacks make people care about police brutality :M
The only thing wrong with this, is that irish and other "whites" were also slaves. Blacks were actually more expensive than irish, and treated better. Irish slaves were thought to be little more than worthless, violent thieves.
American slavery is actually a lot more convoluted and shitty than "whitey enslaving negro". The only people who could afford black slaves were very wealthy plantation owners. This is easily learned about now that we have the internet, but does nothing to change the convenient white privilege narrative that continues to divide and conquer people in the present.
This idea actually hurts everyone in the present day, regardless of their skin color.
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Yes, whities were slaves, but it's a long time ago.
This actually makes me curious, say, in the 1100s, by then I reckon we would be done enslaving the Irish, while at the same time, pillaging, slavery, rape and destruction would be relatively fresh in their memory. They would be able to name ancestors who were taken away. I'm sure a common-sensy Irish persion would be perfectly cordial with a common-sensy Norwegian, but how volatile would a situation be if an authoritative Norwegian then raped or enslaved an Irish person? Would it flare up similarily to the guilt-business in America?
I say probably.
Not that I condone or applaud it - but I suspect it would be very sensitive.
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bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"
^Consequences.
We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.
So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.
But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it :)
I just plussed you so I owe you one.
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bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"
^Consequences.
We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.
So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.
But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it :)
It's not just old, bad blood, Zegh. Our current state of affairs in regards to race is still pretty shitty, and moreso in certain parts of the country than others. Ferguson is one of the places it's especially shitty.
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bad blood lasts decades and centuries. You Americans whipped negroes to shreds, and now you're all offended "WHY are they angry with us D': we stopped whipping them! D': couple years ago D': WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!!!"
^Consequences.
We Norwegians haven't whipped anybody in 1000 years, but we DID decapitate Saami people untill only a century ago. And guess what. The Saami people still resent us for it. And guess what. We're being quite crude about it "Get over yourselves!" while still keeping Saami skulls in museums, like beasts, not fossil skulls, not archaeological artifacts, but murder victims, slayed by the Norwegian government, in order to shut them up, and stop them from rebelling.
So, yes, when a white American cop decides to pull out his belt, strap up a negro, and start whipping his back, people will react, because of old, bad blood.
But, you know, give it a couple of centuries, a thousand years perhaps, and it will level itself out, and people will get over it :)
It's not just old, bad blood, Zegh. Our current state of affairs in regards to race is still pretty shitty, and moreso in certain parts of the country than others. Ferguson is one of the places it's especially shitty.
Would not surprise me if for the Sami it is not all in the past either. Zegh probably will know more about that. Old bad blood remains old and bad for a reason.
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That was what I was saying.
The mistreatment of the Saami isn't much more distant than the slavery of blacks. It is just not very well known. But to the Saami, they are very well aware of it, and adult and elderly Saami still remember the "Norwegianization" that lasted long after the much more cruel and violent treatment was toned down. "Norwegianization" processes were continued eagerly into the 1970s.
The other slavery I mentioned was the industrial enslavement of inhabitants of the British Isles, but this is over 1000 years ago, and I used that time-span as an example of a possible wait, for such bad relations to finally fade.
Of course, it is not that simple in reality. Blacks are *visibly* different, the Irish or Saami are not. It will always be easyer to divide people when they are visibly different.
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Yes, whities were slaves, but it's a long time ago.
This actually makes me curious, say, in the 1100s, by then I reckon we would be done enslaving the Irish, while at the same time, pillaging, slavery, rape and destruction would be relatively fresh in their memory. They would be able to name ancestors who were taken away. I'm sure a common-sensy Irish persion would be perfectly cordial with a common-sensy Norwegian, but how volatile would a situation be if an authoritative Norwegian then raped or enslaved an Irish person? Would it flare up similarily to the guilt-business in America?
I say probably.
Not that I condone or applaud it - but I suspect it would be very sensitive.
No. Its mostly white/black racism dumbassery in America. If you go further south whites blacks and Mexicans all hate each other. Native americans seem to be generally ignored.
Its pretty idiotic. America is stupid, Zegh. Its pretty much like you said, black and white skin is the most visually different and simple minds tent to gravitate towards what they can see in front of them in the moment.
"Fuck actually reading anything or learning about the history of slavery and racism! I by god see some shit and stuff and junk and that matters, plus fox news tells me shit that keeps me clued." :dunno:
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Here's a reason the local government in Ferguson is not representing the interests of black people:
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/files/2014/08/schaffner1-1024x740.png&w=740)
6%
Jesus Christ.
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Wondering what happened to drop the poll turnout so drastically for both races. Maybe there was none worth voting for in 2013, and race wasn't a factor.
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Municipal elections are just as important as any other maybe even more so in that your directly effected by the actions of the people you voted for, but nobody ever seems to take them seriously. It's also where grassroots efforts can more easily cause change which I think the people there could use some of
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Good point.
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When a black cop kills a innocent white man, it doesn't make worldwide news and cause riots. Same thing happened in London a few years ago. A mixed raced thug got shot by the police and London went into turmoil. Few years before an innocent Brazilian man got shot by the police 8 times, and no riots.
well riots are kind of counter productive and take a lot of effort... :yarly: Further I've noted that when it comes to Isreal folks get all their granny panties in a twist oh yes they will do dang twister over that issue... :violin: it's weird but it's humanity go fig
Sorry, was that your attempt at making a point?
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When a black cop kills a innocent white man, it doesn't make worldwide news and cause riots. Same thing happened in London a few years ago. A mixed raced thug got shot by the police and London went into turmoil. Few years before an innocent Brazilian man got shot by the police 8 times, and no riots.
well riots are kind of counter productive and take a lot of effort... :yarly: Further I've noted that when it comes to Isreal folks get all their granny panties in a twist oh yes they will do dang twister over that issue... :violin: it's weird but it's humanity go fig
Sorry, was that your attempt at making a point?
Funny, considering how it took you close to three weeks to produce this brilliant reply. :lol1:
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Yeah, the whole 3 weeks I was preparing it. Short but sweet.