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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: bodie on October 01, 2014, 04:20:27 AM
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Why should the education of a child go hand in hand with a religious affiliation? Does school life need a religious angle? I am not talking about religious education as a subject. I am talking about faith schools.
Some children have religion forced on them in the home, that is bad enough. Governments are further endorsing this by providing schools which teach children to follow a certain religion.
My view is that a school should be a centre of education for children who live nearby. The subject of religion should be a subject on the curriculum but taught without any bias or religious angle. There is no need for children to worship in school.
I live in Birmingham UK and it is a multi cultural society. I am often baffled to hear that some parents send their child miles and miles across the city in order for them to attend a catholic school, or a muslim school.
As adults, we are encouraged to mix. Employment is supposedly an equal opportunity undertaking, so why do children get segregated in school?
Human rights protect people from forced religion, but it seems children are possessions and do not enjoy the rights as adults do to chose a particular faith or none at all.
I accept that parents will influence their children according to their own beliefs. The hours and hours children spend in school mixing with kids from all races and faiths would be a good balance. :-\
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Multiculturalism is disastrous.
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Hey! Where have you been? Good to see you.
Sorry for going off topic.
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Are you opposed to the schools themselves, or to the government paying for them?
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Both.
I am thinking now that maybe I sounded too harsh? I am not saying that i want them all closed down...now! I do think that new schools shouldn't have a religious affiliation.
I don't think the faith schools are doing a bad job, in terms of education. I think they could do just as good a job without the religious association, therefore it seems unnecessary.
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If they didn't have the religious association, they wouldn't really be faith schools lol, and would suddenly fall into decline. Some parents lie about being religious to get their kids into faith schools. Children will actually get some kind of moral structure. I'm talking about Christianity though, one religion, one language, as much as possible of course.
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You can have morals without religion.
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You can, but in general, religion is a good guideline for morality. We wouldn't have the Jeremy Kyle generation if we'd have kept things the way they were.
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Oooh no i have to disagree. As a non religious person i can assure you i have the strictest morals. :zoinks:
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I'm not religious either, but am the same :angel: I'm not thinking of myself though, more society as a whole. Religion gets blamed for everything it seems.
judas priest - defenders of the faith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFZrKUJej_I#)
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Religious schools are private schools in the US, so see nothing wrong with it. Does the government fund religious schools in the UK?
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Only the Islamic ones ;)
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https://www.gov.uk/types-of-school/faith-schools (https://www.gov.uk/types-of-school/faith-schools)
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Only the Islamic ones ;)
Figures. :laugh:
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Religious schools are private schools in the US, so see nothing wrong with it. Does the government fund religious schools in the UK?
Private schools are public schools in the UK. :GA:
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Religious schools are private schools in the US, so see nothing wrong with it. Does the government fund religious schools in the UK?
Private schools are public schools in the UK. :GA:
How are they considered private if publically funded?
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Religious schools are private schools in the US, so see nothing wrong with it. Does the government fund religious schools in the UK?
Private schools are public schools in the UK. :GA:
How are they considered private if publically funded?
The name is different. A "private school" in America is the same thing as a "public school" in the UK. :GA:
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Not getting it. Then all schools are called private?
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Not getting it. Then all schools are called private?
None of us get it. :tard: High schools are "college" and college is "uni". I'm convinced that they make up slang to confuse us. :spaz:
Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_England)
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Thanks for the link. Understand the part now about the word public or private somehow is not meaning how it's funded, for some reason. Your posts are all ones and twos.
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Religious schools are private schools in the US, so see nothing wrong with it. Does the government fund religious schools in the UK?
Yes about a third of all schools funded by government are 'faith' schools.
The terms public and private are quite confusing. A public school boy attends a private school. I don't know why this is so. There is a tendancy to use the word 'state' when referring to schools that do not charge a fee to attend.
All children in England between the ages of 5 and 16 are entitled to a free place at a state school.
State schools can have many categories:
Community Schools A community school is run by the local authority, which employs the staff, owns the land and buildings and decides the admissions criteria. No religious designation and cannot discriminate on religious grounds in admissions or employment. All pupils follow the National Curriculum and follow the locally agreed syllabus for Religious Education.
Faith schools can be different kinds of schools (eg voluntary aided schools, voluntary controlled schools, academies and free schools) but all are associated with a particular religion.
Voluntary Controlled schools (VC) A voluntary controlled school is a state-funded school in which a foundation or trust (usually a Christian denomination) has some formal influence in the running of the school. Voluntary controlled schools are funded by central government via the local authority. The land and buildings are typically owned by a charitable foundation, which also appoints about a quarter of the school governors. The Local Education Authority employs the school's staff and has primary responsibility for the school's admission arrangements. Therefore VC schools cannot discriminate in admissions on religious grounds.
VC schools can however apply a religious test in appointing, remunerating and promoting one fifth of teaching staff, including the Head Teacher. Pupils follow the National Curriculum. VC faith schools follow the locally agreed syllabus for Religious Education but parents of any pupil have the right to request their child receives RE in accordance with the tenets of the faith and the school should provide such RE for these pupils.
Voluntary Aided School (VA) is a state-funded school in which a religious foundation or trust owns the school buildings. All running costs and at least 90% of building costs are funded by central government via the local authority. The religious foundation contributes the remaining 10% of capital costs.
The governing body determines the school's admission arrangements in consultation with the local authority. VA schools can discriminate against all pupils on religious grounds if oversubscribed. The governing body employs the staff and can apply a religious test in appointing, remunerating and promoting all teachers. It may also apply a religious test to non-teaching staff if a 'genuine occupational requirement' can be demonstrated. In addition, teachers can be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion. Pupils at VA schools follow the National Curriculum. In religious education they are free to devise their own syllabus and only teach about their own religion.
Foundation schools are state-funded schools run by their own governing body, which employs the staff and sets the admissions criteria. Land and buildings are usually owned by the governing body or a charitable foundation. The foundation usually appoints around a quarter of the governors but in some cases it appoints the majority of governors. The governing body determines the school's admission arrangements in consultation with the local authority. Foundation schools can discriminate against all pupils on religious grounds if oversubscribed. Foundation schools can also apply a religious test in appointing, remunerating and promoting one fifth of teaching staff, including the Head Teacher. Pupils follow the National Curriculum and Foundation schools follow the locally agreed syllabus for Religious Education, unless parents request RE to be taught in accordance with the tenets of the faith of the school.
Academies and Free Schools are independently managed but state-funded schools set up by sponsors from religious, business or voluntary groups in partnership with the Department for Education. Some have a religious designation, others do not.
If converting to Academy status, the governing body, foundation or trust of the existing school forms an 'academy trust' which then takes over the control of the school. Collective worship is required in Academies, not through primary legislation, but by virtue of the funding agreements. Academies also enjoy the freedom to adapt the national curriculum.
Private Schools
Private schools (also known as 'independent schools') charge fees to attend instead of being funded by the government. Pupils don't have to follow the national curriculum.
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The government has a duty to provide all children with an education. I do not think it is the business of the government to provide or promote religion.
I believe schools should be a centre for education. No need for religions or businesses to be involved in the running of schools funded by the state.
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The government has a duty to provide all children with an education. I do not think it is the business of the government to provide or promote religion.
I believe schools should be a centre for education. No need for religions or businesses to be involved in the running of schools funded by the state.
:agreed:
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Politics and religion shouldn't mix IMO.
But of course they do. :P
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That's the intention of corrupt politicians and such, to destroy religion. They want society to lose structure and fall apart.
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The government has a duty to provide all children with an education. I do not think it is the business of the government to provide or promote religion.
I believe schools should be a centre for education. No need for religions or businesses to be involved in the running of schools funded by the state.
:agreed:
Indeed.
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Voluntary Aided School (VA) is a state-funded school in which a religious foundation or trust owns the school buildings. All running costs and at least 90% of building costs are funded by central government via the local authority. The religious foundation contributes the remaining 10% of capital costs
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I'm totally saving this for ammunition some time I read some limey piss and moan about America clinging to the bible. :lol1: