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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Semicolon on September 16, 2014, 05:59:09 AM
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Apparently David Cameron and Ted Cruz have similar ideas about fighting terrorism. Here's an old story about the UK stripping terrorism suspects of their citizenship:
The government has been accused of using 'sinister’ powers to strip British citizenship from people viewed as a national security risk.
Since 2010, the Home Secretary, Theresa May, has revoked the passports of 16 individuals, mostly because of links to terror or militant groups.
Human rights groups claim the process allows the governement to 'wash its hands’ of British nationals, exposing them to torture and illegal detention abroad.
Laws were passed in 2002 enabling the Home Secretary to remove the citizenship of any dual nationals who had done something “seriously prejudicial” but the power was rarely used.
Lib Dem deputy leader Simon Hughes said he was concerned at the growing number of people who had lost their citizenship while Ian Macdonald QC, the president of the Immigration Law Practitioners’ Association, described the spike as “sinister”.
Last night the Home Office said citizenship was 'a privilege not a right’ and added that all the decisions had been taken for the public good.
The investigation was carried out by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism for The Independent newspaper.
Mr Macdonald said: "They’re using executive powers and I think they’re using them quite wrongly,” he said.
“It’s not open government; it’s closed, and it needs to be exposed.”
Those targeted include Bilal al- Berjawi, a British-Lebanese man who came to the UK as a baby and grew up in London, but left for Somalia in 2009 with his close friend the British born Mohamed Sakr, who also held Egyptian nationality.
Both were subject to extensive surveillance by British intelligence after the security services became concerned they were involved in terrorist activities.
A Home Office spokeswoman said: “Citizenship is a privilege not a right. The Home Secretary has the power to remove citizenship from individuals where she considers it is conducive to the public good. An individual subject to deprivation can appeal to the courts.”
She added: “We don’t routinely comment on individual deprivation cases.”
Source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9899045/Government-using-sinister-powers-to-strip-British-citizenship.html)
Here's a report on an American plan to do the same thing:
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, filed a bill on Monday to punish Americans who join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) or any other terrorist group by stripping them of their United States citizenship.
His "Expatriate Terrorist Act" amends an existing statute that lays out conditions under which an American could renounce their U.S. citizenship to include becoming a member of, fighting for or providing material assistance to a designated foreign terrorist organization that is working to attack the U.S. or its citizens.
"Americans who choose to go to Syria or Iraq to fight with vicious ISIS terrorists are party to a terrorist organization committing horrific acts of violence, including beheading innocent American journalists who they have captured," Cruz said in a statement. "There can be no clearer renunciation of their citizenship in the United States, and we need to do everything we can to preempt any attempt on their part to re-enter our country and carry out further attacks on American civilians."
American officials have expressed particular concern over the American and European fighters who join ISIS and other groups. Because they hold passports from the U.S. and Western European countries, it is easy for them to enter the U.S. - and perhaps carry out a terror attack on the homeland - without being subjected to heightened scrutiny.
The first American to carry out a suicide bomb attack in Syria, Moner Mohammad Abusalha, returned to his home in Florida between the time he first traveled to Syria to train with an al-Qaeda offshoot and the day he detonated explosives strapped to his body.
Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-has-a-plan-to-oust-americans-who-join-isis/)
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
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That's what we do here at I². :orly:
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
It only prohibits the states from stripping away citizenship, not the federal government.
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Due process yeah right ::)
Then there is creep, now it's for terrorists soon for whatever the next grandstanding politician wants. Also if they do finish whatever sentence they get where do they go?
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
It only prohibits the states from stripping away citizenship, not the federal government.
It prohibits everyone from stripping away citizenship. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause)
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Semicolon is correct.
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
It only prohibits the states from stripping away citizenship, not the federal government.
It prohibits everyone from stripping away citizenship. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause)
No it doesn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause#Loss_of_citizenship
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
Even if the guy is the subject of the next Canuck letter?
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
It only prohibits the states from stripping away citizenship, not the federal government.
It prohibits everyone from stripping away citizenship. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause)
No it doesn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause#Loss_of_citizenship
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Where does it say there that the federal government may remove citizenship, except in case of fraud?
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Oh. I thought this was about stripping terrorists.
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Oh. I thought this was about stripping terrorists.
It can be, if terrorist noodz are posted. :zoinks:
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Oh. I thought this was about stripping terrorists.
It can be, if terrorist noodz are posted. :zoinks:
Not that I am particularly interested seeing Osama naked, but... :eyebrows:
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Oh. I thought this was about stripping terrorists.
It can be, if terrorist noodz are posted. :zoinks:
Not that I am particularly interested seeing Osama naked, but... :eyebrows:
Some say Femen is a group of terrorists.
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Oh. I thought this was about stripping terrorists.
It can be, if terrorist noodz are posted. :zoinks:
Not that I am particularly interested seeing Osama naked, but... :eyebrows:
Some say Femen is a group of terrorists.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. :eyebrows:
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
It only prohibits the states from stripping away citizenship, not the federal government.
It prohibits everyone from stripping away citizenship. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause)
No it doesn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause#Loss_of_citizenship
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Where does it say there that the federal government may remove citizenship, except in case of fraud?
Right below it, where it says you can lose it in cases of treason (joining ISIS could easily be interpreted as treason). :hahaha:
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
Agreed. Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Due process yeah right ::)
Then there is creep, now it's for terrorists soon for whatever the next grandstanding politician wants. Also if they do finish whatever sentence they get where do they go?
That's a good question. If we deport them, they're still a threat to our countries as they could have Intel. We can't keep them in our country if we're going to strip them of citizenship, plus they're also a threat if they're within our borders.
And executing them for terrorism could make them martyrs to fellow terrorists. Not to mention that someone could be falsely accused
:headhurts:
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Reread the Fourteenth Amendment.
It only prohibits the states from stripping away citizenship, not the federal government.
It prohibits everyone from stripping away citizenship. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause)
No it doesn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause#Loss_of_citizenship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause#Loss_of_citizenship)
???
Where does it say there that the federal government may remove citizenship, except in case of fraud?
Right below it, where it says you can lose it in cases of treason (joining ISIS could easily be interpreted as treason). :hahaha:
The wiki page for the 14th amendment makes that a little more clear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Loss_of_citizenship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Loss_of_citizenship)
Intent is the key word, and all one must do is state in court that one didn't intend for their actions to be denouncing their citizenship.
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Oh. I thought this was about stripping terrorists.
It can be, if terrorist noodz are posted. :zoinks:
:clap:
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Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
Agreed. Why not just put an alert on their passports and arrest them when they try and use them it seems a bit less complicated.
If the government has to obey the Constitution, then the terrorists have won. :tard:
I don't see anything unconstitutional about stripping away people's citizenship as long as there's due process.
Due process yeah right ::)
Then there is creep, now it's for terrorists soon for whatever the next grandstanding politician wants. Also if they do finish whatever sentence they get where do they go?
That's a good question. If we deport them, they're still a threat to our countries as they could have Intel. We can't keep them in our country if we're going to strip them of citizenship, plus they're also a threat if they're within our borders.
And executing them for terrorism could make them martyrs to fellow terrorists. Not to mention that someone could be falsely accused
:headhurts:
That assumes that the terrorists are guilty, too.
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Hey, if they're sexy looking I say strip their citizenship and their clothes.
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I don't care about the citizenship if they're hawt.
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Not a terrorist, but a Miss Pakistan:
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-nMLVZAfK3Ho/TyPew6137yI/AAAAAAAAIGs/QgYJnqvySYY/s640/miss-pakistan-hot-sexy-bikini-pictures-3.jpg)
Also not a terrorist, but a Mr. Afghanistan:
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk19/babasufi1/captd32e7fab391b4d0d9924fe950afdac6.jpg)
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:hahaha:
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:thumbdn: sucking more Arab cock??
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:thumbdn: sucking more Arab cock??
:facepalm2: Sucking more ancient alien cock??
The dozens of pictures I have of Jewish people burning ancient alien flags must be racist too, right?
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Are they all photoshopped??
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Are they all photoshopped??
Cute. No, they aren't. And this one wasn't either. I know you have been completely immersed in media that makes you think that muslims are the orcs from warcraft, but that's not the way things actually are. News flash: This is a little more complex than you think. You don't accept that actual jewish are vehemently opposed to Zionism and the state of Israel? Think again, brah.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Jews+against+zionism (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Jews+against+zionism)
http://www.truetorahjews.org/ (http://www.truetorahjews.org/)
https://www.google.com/search?q=jews+against+zionism&biw=1301&bih=650&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rZcbVJbLN5WpyATo4ILgCA&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQsAQ (https://www.google.com/search?q=jews+against+zionism&biw=1301&bih=650&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=rZcbVJbLN5WpyATo4ILgCA&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQsAQ)
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm (http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm)
http://ijsn.net/ (http://ijsn.net/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_anti-Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_anti-Zionism)
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Rage, please consider that not everyone in an organization, group, etc. feels/thinks the same way. There is a spectrum where ever people think, act, feel. People are individuals, not programmed robots. There are variations, subtle differences between each of us.
"Actual jews"? And the ones who support Zionism are fake Jews?
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Yeah, I caught that too.
Rage is the worst kind of kool-aid drinker. He's pounding the multiculturalist kool-aid and he's totally unaware of it, as evidenced by the hypocricy in his statements.
Zionism, at its worst, only wants to take the greater Palestine area. Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews, but no threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence. ::)
Christopher Hitchens was right, anti-semetism is a mental illness.
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Rage, please consider that not everyone in an organization, group, etc. feels/thinks the same way. There is a spectrum where ever people think, act, feel. People are individuals, not programmed robots. There are variations, subtle differences between each of us.
"Actual jews"? And the ones who support Zionism are fake Jews?
Yep. Fraid so.
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Yeah, I caught that too.
Rage is the worst kind of kool-aid drinker. He's pounding the multiculturalist kool-aid and he's totally unaware of it, as evidenced by the hypocricy in his statements.
Zionism, at its worst, only wants to take the greater Palestine area. Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews, but no threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence. ::)
Christopher Hitchens was right, anti-semetism is a mental illness.
What you just said is absolutely monstrous.
He's pounding the multiculturalist kool-aid and he's totally unaware of it
Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you honestly see all muslims as turbans with rifles waiting to kill you?
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews
anti-semetism
You seem to read my posts, but ignore them at the same time or something. It is not anti-semitic to oppose Zionism and the state of Israel.
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Rather than respond with an actual argument you simply accuse everyone with a different opinion of hating Jews and of drinking "the cool-aid"
You stay classy Pappy. :M
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Rather than respond with an actual argument you simply accuse everyone with a different opinion of hating Jews and of drinking "the cool-aid"
You stay classy Pappy. :M
Eh, don't sweat it, man. I shouldn't let it get me so annoyed, as considering the source tells me the problem right away. Here in my country, everyone has been extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
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Rather than respond with an actual argument you simply accuse everyone with a different opinion of hating Jews and of drinking "the cool-aid"
You stay classy Pappy. :M
Eh, don't sweat it, man. I shouldn't let it get me so annoyed, as considering the source tells me the problem right away. Here in my country, everyone has been extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
Again with the spray paint gun. I'm in your country and I wasn't extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
All or nothing comparisons are a pet peeve of mine.
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Rather than respond with an actual argument you simply accuse everyone with a different opinion of hating Jews and of drinking "the cool-aid"
You stay classy Pappy. :M
Eh, don't sweat it, man. I shouldn't let it get me so annoyed, as considering the source tells me the problem right away. Here in my country, everyone has been extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
Again with the spray paint gun. I'm in your country and I wasn't extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
All or nothing comparisons are a pet peeve of mine.
Queen Victoria, the terrorist's worst nightmare. :zoinks:
j/k
I'm really bothered by the last couple of pages of this thread. So much bigotry that I don't know where to begin. Don't know if I want to.
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Rather than respond with an actual argument you simply accuse everyone with a different opinion of hating Jews and of drinking "the cool-aid"
You stay classy Pappy. :M
Eh, don't sweat it, man. I shouldn't let it get me so annoyed, as considering the source tells me the problem right away. Here in my country, everyone has been extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
Again with the spray paint gun. I'm in your country and I wasn't extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
All or nothing comparisons are a pet peeve of mine.
That's a typical royal trait. :P
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@ odeon
"Queen Victoria, the terrorist's worst nightmare."
If only you knew.
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QV, I have a hunch. :P
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QV, I have a hunch. :P
Use better posture, and it will improve. :P
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oh look the world's gone nutters :apondering:
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oh look the world's gone nutters :apondering:
Would you like a side of freedom fries with your nutters? :orly:
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The law is too bent. It often gets it all wrong. Certain crimes, particularly those associated with terrorism require swift action. The public demands it. As long as someone is blamed then who cares if they get it wrong? I refer to 'The Guildford Four' and 'The Birmingham Six' http://innocent.org.uk/cases/guildford4/ (http://innocent.org.uk/cases/guildford4/) ( or just watch a film called 'in the name of the father' )
Point is, when the wheels of justice are buckled and bent, and don't spin freely then probably not a good idea to think up new ways to punish and dehumanize.
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Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews, but no threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence. ::)
Christopher Hitchens was right, anti-semetism is a mental illness.
You realize Arabs are Semitic? Are you mentally ill then?
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Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews, but no threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence. ::)
Christopher Hitchens was right, anti-semetism is a mental illness.
You realize Arabs are Semitic? Are you mentally ill then?
Exactly. As well as the hateful ancient alien media machine. They incite so much anti Arab hatred, but that is deemed "ok". They are Semites too.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wallace-shawn-gaza-anger-palestinians-727193] "Wallace Shawn on Gaza: The Anger of the Palestinians Cannot Be Ended by Killing Their Children" (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wallace-shawn-gaza-anger-palestinians-727193)
Many ancient aliens with dual citizenship who are regular Joe's have burned their Israeli passports in disgust at what they are doing to Palestine. They are human beings.
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More pics
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Yeah, though something like 90% of Israelis supported the latest "war".
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Truth about Gaza that BBC Tried to Suppress (Norman Finkelstein) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC2s6eMU3IA#ws)
Clearly explained why Orthodox Jews refuse to serve in IDF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3SJYRkI2hM#ws)
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
Yeah, Nazi Germany, Iraq (under Saddam) and Israel are the only countries to use house demolition as punishment. Some Palestinian homes were destroyed just for being relatives of a "terrorist", and some homes were bulldozed with the residents still inside.
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
Yeah, Nazi Germany, Iraq (under Saddam) and Israel are the only countries to use house demolition as punishment. Some Palestinian homes were destroyed just for being relatives of a "terrorist", and some homes were bulldozed with the residents still inside.
and some Palestinian schools were bombed just for a laugh, or it was in the fucking way!
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Or cause there might be evidence of "King David" underneath! They just try to make their lives so miserable, that they either leave or retaliate, then they can call them terrorists and blow some more people up.
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Or cause there might be evidence of "King David" underneath! They just try to make their lives so miserable, that they either leave or retaliate, then they can call them terrorists and blow some more people up.
Welcome back.
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Rather than respond with an actual argument you simply accuse everyone with a different opinion of hating Jews and of drinking "the cool-aid"
You stay classy Pappy. :M
Eh, don't sweat it, man. I shouldn't let it get me so annoyed, as considering the source tells me the problem right away. Here in my country, everyone has been extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
Again with the spray paint gun. I'm in your country and I wasn't extensively trained to think middle easterners are all terrorists.
All or nothing comparisons are a pet peeve of mine.
I say what others are too sheepish to.
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
This world isn't big enough for me and people like them. We could never be far enough apart. If there HAS to be war, I'd rather go all out against Israel and free both the Palestinians and my economy.
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You don't solve anything by removing Israel, you simply create another kind of problem. There was a reason why it was created in the first place. That reason still exists.
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Sure you do. Now all that zyklon-B can go back to agricultural uses as a pesticide. (pesticide? I thought that was the 'crime' committed with it in the first place)
Sure this was proposed by some politician or other somewhere...but we haven't heard much since about the proposed plan. After all no jews is good jews.
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You don't solve anything by removing Israel, you simply create another kind of problem. There was a reason why it was created in the first place. That reason still exists.
Dammit, that's a good point. There is just no way out of this kind of crap.
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
This world isn't big enough for me and people like them. We could never be far enough apart. If there HAS to be war, I'd rather go all out against Israel and free both the Palestinians and my economy.
:hitler:
::) :minusevil:
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Sure you do. Now all that zyklon-B can go back to agricultural uses as a pesticide. (pesticide? I thought that was the 'crime' committed with it in the first place)
Sure this was proposed by some politician or other somewhere...but we haven't heard much since about the proposed plan. After all no jews is good jews.
No. Just no.
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
This world isn't big enough for me and people like them. We could never be far enough apart. If there HAS to be war, I'd rather go all out against Israel and free both the Palestinians and my economy.
:hitler:
::) :minusevil:
Care to clarify that? Type out the word Nazi for everyone to see, dude. Especially after all that has been said about Israel, the overwhelming jewish opposition to ancient alien action and even Israel itself.
Yeah bro, go ahead and say that the opposition to Zionism and Israel is anti-jew. Again.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d3SJYRkI2hM
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Or cause there might be evidence of "King David" underneath! They just try to make their lives so miserable, that they either leave or retaliate, then they can call them terrorists and blow some more people up.
Welcome back.
Cheers
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
This world isn't big enough for me and people like them. We could never be far enough apart. If there HAS to be war, I'd rather go all out against Israel and free both the Palestinians and my economy.
:hitler:
::) :minusevil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE#)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d3SJYRkI2hM
Yeah, that's the one I posted. Orthodox Jews are the only ones who can solve the problem. Making those who denounce their faith non-Jews.
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Israel ~ the new nazi's
This world isn't big enough for me and people like them. We could never be far enough apart. If there HAS to be war, I'd rather go all out against Israel and free both the Palestinians and my economy.
:hitler:
::) :minusevil:
:hahaha: :hahaha:
You can't think of a counter-argument so you just post smilies instead.
It's a wonder why so many people support Israel if the best argument supporters can come up with to justify genocide is simply tossing the antisemitism card about the place.
You stay classy Pappy :M
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You know Israel is bad when actual Holocaust survivors are speaking out against a nation that claims to be "A Jewish nation":
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians (http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians)
Surely people who have experienced true antisemitism can't be antisemitic themselves, but that's what supporters of Israel's war crimes would claim I suppose.
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You know Israel is bad when actual Holocaust survivors are speaking out against a nation that claims to be "A Jewish nation":
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians (http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians)
Surely people who have experienced true antisemitism can't be antisemitic themselves, but that's what supporters of Israel's war crimes would claim I suppose.
Have you read this book? http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Holocaust_Industry.html?id=XwRnAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Holocaust_Industry.html?id=XwRnAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y)
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You know Israel is bad when actual Holocaust survivors are speaking out against a nation that claims to be "A Jewish nation":
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians (http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/holocaust-survivors-palestinians)
Surely people who have experienced true antisemitism can't be antisemitic themselves, but that's what supporters of Israel's war crimes would claim I suppose.
Have you read this book? http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Holocaust_Industry.html?id=XwRnAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Holocaust_Industry.html?id=XwRnAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y)
No, and this is the first time I've heard of it.
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Oh wow. You must have seen this? The Bravest Jew on Earth - Norman Finkelstein. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjJmf2L7Kbc#ws)
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Israel and Palestine
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi)...ends-john-kerry
http://www.middleeas (http://www.middleeas)...dment-866386008
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...efense/1.607542
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....suicide_attacks
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi)...6/jan/12/israel
Judaism
http://books.google (http://books.google)....kSop0EC&pg=PA15
http://books.google (http://books.google)....kSop0EC&pg=PA18
Enlightenment
http://books.google (http://books.google)....NrTe0C&pg=PA210
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi)...ctivist-letters
http://www.ynetnews (http://www.ynetnews)....4099803,00.html
Zionism
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....ki/Hovevei_Zion
http://books.google (http://books.google)....xgeStIC&pg=PA66
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....ligious_Zionism
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....irsch_Kalischer
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....eligious_groups
http://books.google (http://books.google)....CIkhK0C&pg=PA91
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....itary_conflicts
http://books.google (http://books.google)....IkhK0C&pg=PA165
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....wiki/Moses_Hess
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....i/Labor_Zionism
http://www.zionism-i (http://www.zionism-i)...d_Jerusalem.htm
http://mailstar.net/avineri.html (http://mailstar.net/avineri.html)
Theodor Herzl
http://books.google (http://books.google)....L7m-bUC&pg=PA35
http://books.google (http://books.google)....WooZ4QC&pg=PT17
Second Rise of Judaism
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....aham_Isaac_Kook
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....ligious_Zionism
http://books.google (http://books.google)....2z8vZ0C&pg=PA86
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...heocracy-1.2438
http://www.rwf.gr/18... (http://www.rwf.gr/18...)ξεις/uri-avnery
http://www.nytimes.c (http://www.nytimes.c)...ing-places.html
http://forward.com/a...-into-theocracy (http://forward.com/a...-into-theocracy)
http://www.nytimes.c (http://www.nytimes.c)...n-it-comes.html
http://mondoweiss.ne (http://mondoweiss.ne)...-columnist.html
http://maxblumenthal (http://maxblumenthal)...illing-non-jews
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...n-israel-1.4496
http://coteret.com/2...illing-non-jews (http://coteret.com/2...illing-non-jews)
http://www.come-and- (http://www.come-and-)...nhedrin_58.html
http://www.come-and- (http://www.come-and-)...nhedrin_59.html
http://books.google (http://books.google)....kSop0EC&pg=PA87
http://www.columbia (http://www.columbia)....ackwardness.htm
ancient alien Agenda
http://books.google (http://books.google)....nQB1MC&pg=PA244
http://books.google (http://books.google)....jQbDr8C&pg=PT79
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....e'ev_Jabotinsky
http://books.google (http://books.google)....ieZzYC&pg=PA214
Balfour Declaration
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....our_Declaration
http://books.google (http://books.google)....qyGB7EC&pg=PA46
Aftermath
http://books.google (http://books.google)....gAAQBAJ&pg=PA69
http://books.google (http://books.google)....CIkhK0C&pg=PA91
http://books.google (http://books.google)....0X84QC&pg=PA237
Violence Erupts
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....Nebi_Musa_riots
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....lin_Report_1920
http://users.ox.ac.u (http://users.ox.ac.u)...nsequences.html
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....lt_in_Palestine
http://en.wikiquote (http://en.wikiquote)....avid_Ben-Gurion
Partition of Palestine
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....atory_Palestine
http://www.jewishvir (http://www.jewishvir)...estine_pop.html
http://books.google (http://books.google)....jQbDr8C&pg=PT72
Ethnic Cleansing
http://books.google (http://books.google)....jQbDr8C&pg=PT73
Massacres
http://www.amazon.co (http://www.amazon.co)...e/dp/1851685553
Catastrophe
http://books.google (http://books.google)....gAAQBAJ&pg=PT72
http://auphr.org/ind...-land-1946-2012 (http://auphr.org/ind...-land-1946-2012)
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....itories_by_area
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day)
http://books.google (http://books.google)....s-esEC&pg=PT154
Israel's Ally
https://history.stat (https://history.stat)...creation-israel
http://books.google (http://books.google)....Up-ShIC&pg=PT53
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...remium-1.510592
http://books.google (http://books.google)....ATLAk0C&pg=PA81
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi).../24/theobserver
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Israel and Palestine
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi)...ends-john-kerry
http://www.middleeas (http://www.middleeas)...dment-866386008
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...efense/1.607542
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....suicide_attacks
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi)...6/jan/12/israel
Judaism
http://books.google (http://books.google)....kSop0EC&pg=PA15
http://books.google (http://books.google)....kSop0EC&pg=PA18
Enlightenment
http://books.google (http://books.google)....NrTe0C&pg=PA210
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi)...ctivist-letters
http://www.ynetnews (http://www.ynetnews)....4099803,00.html
Zionism
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....ki/Hovevei_Zion
http://books.google (http://books.google)....xgeStIC&pg=PA66
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....ligious_Zionism
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....irsch_Kalischer
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....eligious_groups
http://books.google (http://books.google)....CIkhK0C&pg=PA91
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....itary_conflicts
http://books.google (http://books.google)....IkhK0C&pg=PA165
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....wiki/Moses_Hess
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....i/Labor_Zionism
http://www.zionism-i (http://www.zionism-i)...d_Jerusalem.htm
http://mailstar.net/avineri.html (http://mailstar.net/avineri.html)
Theodor Herzl
http://books.google (http://books.google)....L7m-bUC&pg=PA35
http://books.google (http://books.google)....WooZ4QC&pg=PT17
Second Rise of Judaism
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....aham_Isaac_Kook
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....ligious_Zionism
http://books.google (http://books.google)....2z8vZ0C&pg=PA86
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...heocracy-1.2438
http://www.rwf.gr/18... (http://www.rwf.gr/18...)ξεις/uri-avnery
http://www.nytimes.c (http://www.nytimes.c)...ing-places.html
http://forward.com/a...-into-theocracy (http://forward.com/a...-into-theocracy)
http://www.nytimes.c (http://www.nytimes.c)...n-it-comes.html
http://mondoweiss.ne (http://mondoweiss.ne)...-columnist.html
http://maxblumenthal (http://maxblumenthal)...illing-non-jews
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...n-israel-1.4496
http://coteret.com/2...illing-non-jews (http://coteret.com/2...illing-non-jews)
http://www.come-and- (http://www.come-and-)...nhedrin_58.html
http://www.come-and- (http://www.come-and-)...nhedrin_59.html
http://books.google (http://books.google)....kSop0EC&pg=PA87
http://www.columbia (http://www.columbia)....ackwardness.htm
ancient alien Agenda
http://books.google (http://books.google)....nQB1MC&pg=PA244
http://books.google (http://books.google)....jQbDr8C&pg=PT79
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....e'ev_Jabotinsky
http://books.google (http://books.google)....ieZzYC&pg=PA214
Balfour Declaration
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....our_Declaration
http://books.google (http://books.google)....qyGB7EC&pg=PA46
Aftermath
http://books.google (http://books.google)....gAAQBAJ&pg=PA69
http://books.google (http://books.google)....CIkhK0C&pg=PA91
http://books.google (http://books.google)....0X84QC&pg=PA237
Violence Erupts
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....Nebi_Musa_riots
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....lin_Report_1920
http://users.ox.ac.u (http://users.ox.ac.u)...nsequences.html
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....lt_in_Palestine
http://en.wikiquote (http://en.wikiquote)....avid_Ben-Gurion
Partition of Palestine
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....atory_Palestine
http://www.jewishvir (http://www.jewishvir)...estine_pop.html
http://books.google (http://books.google)....jQbDr8C&pg=PT72
Ethnic Cleansing
http://books.google (http://books.google)....jQbDr8C&pg=PT73
Massacres
http://www.amazon.co (http://www.amazon.co)...e/dp/1851685553
Catastrophe
http://books.google (http://books.google)....gAAQBAJ&pg=PT72
http://auphr.org/ind...-land-1946-2012 (http://auphr.org/ind...-land-1946-2012)
http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....itories_by_area
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day)
http://books.google (http://books.google)....s-esEC&pg=PT154
Israel's Ally
https://history.stat (https://history.stat)...creation-israel
http://books.google (http://books.google)....Up-ShIC&pg=PT53
http://www.haaretz.c (http://www.haaretz.c)...remium-1.510592
http://books.google (http://books.google)....ATLAk0C&pg=PA81
http://www.theguardi (http://www.theguardi).../24/theobserver
Is there some reason you post links this way?
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Put em all there.
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Your point?
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Put em all there.
Yes you did but in the format they are in they do not work. Post a link that works or don't post one at all
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Is there some reason you post links this way?
It's a common propaganda technique. Rage is either drinking his own kool-aid or trying too hard at trolling. ::)
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Your point?
His point is dull.
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Is there some reason you post links this way?
It's a common propaganda technique. Rage is either drinking his own kool-aid or trying too hard at trolling. ::)
You're adorable. :hahaha:
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Is there some reason you post links this way?
It's a common propaganda technique. Rage is either drinking his own kool-aid or trying too hard at trolling. ::)
You're adorable. :hahaha:
Is this going to get secksy? :zoinks:
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Put em all there.
Yes you did but in the format they are in they do not work. Post a link that works or don't post one at all
I posted things that I could find related to the topic. It seems this makes folks uncomfortable.
Now.. let me be clear. We have to kill them arabs. They are the zerg of starcraft. This will improve the economy, and create jobs.
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Your point?
His point is dull.
Agreed.
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Put em all there.
Yes you did but in the format they are in they do not work. Post a link that works or don't post one at all
I posted things that I could find related to the topic. It seems this makes folks uncomfortable.
Now.. let me be clear. We have to kill them arabs. They are the zerg of starcraft. This will improve the economy, and create jobs.
:facepalm:
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I posted things that I could find related to the topic. It seems this makes folks uncomfortable.
Screw them, Rage. They just don't get it. Here, this will solve all your problems. :thumbup:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (http://oooen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_solving)...Problem_solving
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:rofl:
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
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Rage, people are just giving you a hard time because you posted a bunch of broken links that don't work. Even if those links were winning your argument for you, they don't work so no one will ever know. :lol1:
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
I advocated the elimination of Israel. It is not a Jewish state.
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I advocated the elimination of Israel. It is not a Jewish state.
Your statement is so fucked up, it's not even wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)
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I advocated the elimination of Israel. It is not a Jewish state.
Your statement is so fucked up, it's not even wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)
:yawn:
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U)
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Remove the s from https. :GA:
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Oh shit son, real Jews roll in and u get rekt. Maybe you should listen to what they have to say.
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True Torah Jews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U#ws)
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It's good to see you around here, Chicky. :thumbup:
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ITT: Dickholes try to justify the destruction of both muslims and jews at the same time. They pick little artificial sides, but sides don't matter in this conflict. Its a rigged game, m8. A mug's game.
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U)
:wanker:
You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions.
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U)
:wanker:
You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions.
And you have the audacity to call someone else a racist? Whats wrong with you lately?
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What about the comments about Muslims being ragheads?
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U)
:wanker:
You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions.
And you have the audacity to call someone else a racist? Whats wrong with you lately?
He called you racist?
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVRGWv_Db9U)
:wanker:
You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions.
And you have the audacity to call someone else a racist? Whats wrong with you lately?
He called you racist?
Haha. Look at my karma comments. He's also repeatedly claimed I am a Nazi, because I am anti-ancient alien. I know. Don't facepalm too hard.
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
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Look at my karma comments.
I see.
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
Rage didn't say that, I did and yes, it was a joke told by a Jewish comic.
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
Rage didn't say that, I did and yes, it was a joke told by a Jewish comic.
Sorry, I have trouble matching the post and poster in nesting quotes. AND I remember the comic, Leo Rosen. He wrote on Jewish humour.
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
Rage didn't say that, I did and yes, it was a joke told by a Jewish comic.
So you call muslims ragheads and jews conspiratorial, yet at the same time you call me a Nazi. And you also try and point out hypocrisy in my defense of orthodox jews opposing ancient alien agendas.
You're out of your mind, dude.
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So you call muslims ragheads and jews conspiratorial, yet at the same time you call me a Nazi.
where did I ever say that?
And you also try and point out hypocrisy in my defense of orthodox jews opposing ancient alien agendas.
No, I called you a hypocrite for advocating the destruction of Israel (which would result in genocide) while complaining about Israeli war crimes.
You're out of your mind, dude.
Posting in the mirror. :wanker:
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http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/60-minutes-profiles-palestinian-christians-michael-oren-falls-on-his-face-defending-israel (http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/60-minutes-profiles-palestinian-christians-michael-oren-falls-on-his-face-defending-israel)
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
LOL, love it
Another lens is
"I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic."
Abigail Adams
Since this is a more positive take on my chronic ambiguity, it is the one I prefer...
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
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Some Jews I know would be mad at you while others would laugh themselves silly. Jews are people, like everyone else, and like everyone else, some have a sense of humour while others don't.
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I'm beginning to think S_B wants attenshun. :tard:
I'm beginning to think that you believe all Muslims want to blow you up or decapitate you on the internet.
I'm also beginning to think that instead of using actual arguments, you toss insults around like a stroppy teenager when someone disagrees with you. :M
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So you call muslims ragheads and jews conspiratorial, yet at the same time you call me a Nazi.
where did I ever say that?
And you also try and point out hypocrisy in my defense of orthodox jews opposing ancient alien agendas.
No, I called you a hypocrite for advocating the destruction of Israel (which would result in genocide) while complaining about Israeli war crimes.
You're out of your mind, dude.
Posting in the mirror. :wanker:
where did I ever say that?
I'm not going to go around quote mining like a stupid dork addled with cog dis. You know you've said these things many times, and I'm sure others have seen you say them over the past few years, and recently.
No, I called you a hypocrite for advocating the destruction of Israel (which would result in genocide) while complaining about Israeli war crimes.
(which would result in genocide)
No it wouldn't. The jewish people lived for two thousand years without a state.
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Another lens is
"I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic."
Abigail Adams
That's a great quote.
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I'm beginning to think S_B wants attenshun. :tard:
I'm beginning to think that you believe all Muslims want to blow you up or decapitate you on the internet.
I'm also beginning to think that instead of using actual arguments, you toss insults around like a stroppy teenager when someone disagrees with you. :M
Well, if that's the case, the next time you have a thought, just let it go. You're wrong on both counts.
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
LOL, love it
Another lens is
"I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic."
Abigail Adams
Since this is a more positive take on my chronic ambiguity, it is the one I prefer...
One of the things PA and I love to do is argue/discuss various topics. When we're done with the topic we'll change sides and do it all over again. The hilarious part is that I usually win both arguments. (Actually true).
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I'm beginning to think S_B wants attenshun. :tard:
I'm beginning to think that you believe all Muslims want to blow you up or decapitate you on the internet.
I'm also beginning to think that instead of using actual arguments, you toss insults around like a stroppy teenager when someone disagrees with you. :M
Well, if that's the case, the next time you have a thought, just let it go. You're wrong on both counts.
Then stop calling them ragheads.
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Well if you guys are okay with another bout of mass murder, then I guess its your own personal problem. :dunno:
And yet a few days ago you advocated the extermination of the Jewish State.
Can you say Irony Impaired?? can you say hypocrisy??
Israel is not a Jewish state, if it was, it'd be called "the Jewish state of Israel". It has a 20% Arab population, and a lot of "Israel" is illegal under International Law. As well as no 2 Israelis being able to agree on what a Jew is. You're spewing out nonsense propaganda.
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So you call muslims ragheads and jews conspiratorial, yet at the same time you call me a Nazi.
where did I ever say that?
And you also try and point out hypocrisy in my defense of orthodox jews opposing ancient alien agendas.
No, I called you a hypocrite for advocating the destruction of Israel (which would result in genocide) while complaining about Israeli war crimes.
You're out of your mind, dude.
No it wouldn't. Nazi Germany and apartheid South Africa fell without genocide. Just the murderous monsters would be brought to justice. People have had Holocaust Industry propaganda pumped into them since the 1970's. All this hysterical nonsense making sure Israel cannot be held accountable for its crimes.
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Then stop calling them ragheads.
Stop lying about what I said.
Show me where I used the word "raghead" in any of these arguments or STFU. :finger:
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Israel is not a Jewish state, if it was, it'd be called "the Jewish state of Israel".
I guess if you're a reetard like you, then you have to resort to pulling "facts" like this out of your ass.
and a lot of "Israel" is illegal under International Law.
Much "International Law" is not legaly binding. The UN is NOT a soverign body.
As well as no 2 Israelis being able to agree on what a Jew is.
another "fact" pulled from your ass.
You're spewing out nonsense propaganda.
You're posting in the mirror. :hahaha:
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Then stop calling them ragheads.
Stop lying about what I said.
Show me where I used the word "raghead" in any of these arguments or STFU. :finger:
You've been careful to avoid saying that in any of "these" arguments, but you have said it many times. Do you really want to open this can of worms, Scrap?
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Then stop calling them ragheads.
Stop lying about what I said.
Show me where I used the word "raghead" in any of these arguments or STFU. :finger:
You've been careful to avoid saying that in any of "these" arguments, but you have said it many times. Do you really want to open this can of worms, Scrap?
Bring it bitch!! :finger:
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I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
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I'm getting karma that is meant for others...um, I think it's broken
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"You know what happens when you put 10 Jews in a room?? you get 15 different opinions."
In a rare defense of Rage, I remember reading this joke (which I'm shortening and mangling) from a famous Jewish Comic (who's name escapes me.)
When 2 Jews were rescued from a deserted island after 5 years, the rescuers found 3 huts. Each Jew had built his own synagogue because he wouldn't set foot in the other's and a third one that neither one would set foot in.
LOL, love it
Another lens is
"I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic."
Abigail Adams
Since this is a more positive take on my chronic ambiguity, it is the one I prefer...
One of the things PA and I love to do is argue/discuss various topics. When we're done with the topic we'll change sides and do it all over again. The hilarious part is that I usually win both arguments. (Actually true).
I've been known to argue both sides in an argument. Some people think it's very frustrating. ;D
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I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
What is it that you don't get?
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Israel is not a Jewish state, if it was, it'd be called "the Jewish state of Israel".
I guess if you're a reetard like you, then you have to resort to pulling "facts" like this out of your ass.
and a lot of "Israel" is illegal under International Law.
Much "International Law" is not legaly binding. The UN is NOT a soverign body.
As well as no 2 Israelis being able to agree on what a Jew is.
another "fact" pulled from your ass.
You're spewing out nonsense propaganda.
You're posting in the mirror. :hahaha:
It just comes from scholars who've been studying the subject for 32 years, rather than you relying on Hollywood productions.
"Much "International Law" is not legaly binding. The UN is NOT a soverign body."
If it wasn't for the UN, Israel wouldn't exist, are you saying Israel is illegitimate?
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I'm beginning to think S_B wants attenshun. :tard:
I'm beginning to think that you believe all Muslims want to blow you up or decapitate you on the internet.
I'm also beginning to think that instead of using actual arguments, you toss insults around like a stroppy teenager when someone disagrees with you. :M
Well, if that's the case, the next time you have a thought, just let it go. You're wrong on both counts.
:orly: :orly: :orly: :orly:
Yeah, I caught that too.
Rage is the worst kind of kool-aid drinker. He's pounding the multiculturalist kool-aid and he's totally unaware of it, as evidenced by the hypocricy in his statements.
Zionism, at its worst, only wants to take the greater Palestine area. Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews, but no threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence. ::)
Christopher Hitchens was right, anti-semetism is a mental illness.
Here we see examples of the following:
1) Playing the Antisemitism card (mentions holocaust and brings up Christopher Hitchens)
2) Saying that the majority of Muslims are violent (300 million Arabs comment)
3) Throwing insults around like a stroppy teenager because you can't think of actual arguments (kool-aid comments)
Israel ~ the new nazi's
This world isn't big enough for me and people like them. We could never be far enough apart. If there HAS to be war, I'd rather go all out against Israel and free both the Palestinians and my economy.
:hitler:
::) :minusevil:
Ah, another classic example of acting like a teenager on the internet. Too lazy to even post insults this time around that you use smilies instead. Well done Pappy. I've seen more intelligent comebacks and arguments over facebook
Is there some reason you post links this way?
It's a common propaganda technique. Rage is either drinking his own kool-aid or trying too hard at trolling. ::)
Ah, yet another example of acting like a stroppy teenager. Resorting to the kool-aid "argument" again and saying that because someone disagrees with you that they're a troll.
Classy Pappy, very classy indeed.
I advocated the elimination of Israel. It is not a Jewish state.
Your statement is so fucked up, it's not even wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)
Oh my, rather than say why it's wrong like an intelligent person would if they were trying to prove their opponents in an argument wrong, you simply say that it's wrong and leave it at that.
Very classy indeed Pappy :M
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Yeah, I caught that too.
Rage is the worst kind of kool-aid drinker. He's pounding the multiculturalist kool-aid and he's totally unaware of it, as evidenced by the hypocricy in his statements.
Zionism, at its worst, only wants to take the greater Palestine area. Jihadis want every knee in planet Earth to bow towards Mecca, and kill those that refuse.
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews, but no threat from 300 million Arabs whose chief export is violence. ::)
Christopher Hitchens was right, anti-semetism is a mental illness.
Here we see examples of the following:
1) Playing the Antisemitism card (mentions holocaust and brings up Christopher Hitchens)
Didn't mention the holocaust fuckwit!! :hahaha:
2) Saying that the majority of Muslims are violent (300 million Arabs comment)
You lack reading comprehension. If (for sake of argument) Germany's chief export is Porsches, then by your logic, the majority of Germans work at Porsche. That's sloppy thinking on your part. It only takes a large minority and a silent majority for Arab muslims to export so much violence.
3) Throwing insults around like a stroppy teenager because you can't think of actual arguments (kool-aid comments)
The Kool-aid comments were responses to Rage posting propaganda and bare assertions without evidence. To quote Hitchens again: "that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
Why are you harboring such double standards in this? It's obvious you've taken Rage's side because he has done some of what you're accusing me of and yet you give him a free pass. I, on the other hand, get held to a much higher standard.
Protip for you SB, pull your nose out of Rage's ass and work harder on that whole "logic" thing. :wanker:
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Then stop calling them ragheads.
Stop lying about what I said.
Show me where I used the word "raghead" in any of these arguments or STFU. :finger:
You've been careful to avoid saying that in any of "these" arguments, but you have said it many times. Do you really want to open this can of worms, Scrap?
Bring it bitch!! :finger:
Alright then. I like beating the shit out of bullies, anyway. You chose the wrong guy to pick on, fatass.
What some bloke is accusing you of, is ad hom. And yes, you are doing that. I just now decided to go ahead and give you that back since you aren't going to stop. We can go ahead and escalate this all over the site and facebook and whatever if that's what you you so badly need.
Bring it the fuck on, crapheap.
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Then stop calling them ragheads.
Stop lying about what I said.
Show me where I used the word "raghead" in any of these arguments or STFU. :finger:
They're nigger faggots. :zoinks:
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
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Alright then. I like beating the shit out of bullies, anyway. You chose the wrong guy to pick on, fatass.
What some bloke is accusing you of, is ad hom. And yes, you are doing that. I just now decided to go ahead and give you that back since you aren't going to stop. We can go ahead and escalate this all over the site and facebook and whatever if that's what you you so badly need.
Bring it the fuck on, crapheap.
:LMAO: Rage just went full blown TCO!!! :hahaha:
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Alright then. I like beating the shit out of bullies, anyway. You chose the wrong guy to pick on, fatass.
What some bloke is accusing you of, is ad hom. And yes, you are doing that. I just now decided to go ahead and give you that back since you aren't going to stop. We can go ahead and escalate this all over the site and facebook and whatever if that's what you you so badly need.
Bring it the fuck on, crapheap.
:LMAO: Rage just went full blown TCO!!! :hahaha:
You going to just posture, or what?
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Then stop calling them ragheads.
Stop lying about what I said.
Show me where I used the word "raghead" in any of these arguments or STFU. :finger:
You've been careful to avoid saying that in any of "these" arguments, but you have said it many times. Do you really want to open this can of worms, Scrap?
Bring it bitch!! :finger:
Alright then. I like beating the shit out of bullies, anyway. You chose the wrong guy to pick on, fatass.
What some bloke is accusing you of, is ad hom. And yes, you are doing that. I just now decided to go ahead and give you that back since you aren't going to stop. We can go ahead and escalate this all over the site and facebook and whatever if that's what you you so badly need.
Bring it the fuck on, crapheap.
Force simply isn't ever going to be the answer. It has been used to "solve" problems countless times in the past, and it always creates several new ones.
:apondering: :zoinks:
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I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
Just looked at your karma, and no one appears to have written anything negative to you.
Off topic, did you used to post at AFF? Was never a member, but your writing style has that unmistakable sound of unity encountered when reading over there, so just curious.
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I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
Just looked at your karma, and no one appears to have written anything negative to you.
Just realized you might not be looking at your own karma stats. If you're looking at the karma stats link, found at the bottom of the home page, then that displays all karma transactions for all members. It displays who made the karma change, whose karma they changed, and the thread the post receiving karma change is related. If you want to see only your own karma, then go to your profile, and click the links: who changed my karma, or whose karma have I changed. Rage and Scrapheap are currently jabbing each other via karma, as well as in the open forum, and none of that which you are calling 'hate' is being directed toward you.
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I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
Just looked at your karma, and no one appears to have written anything negative to you.
Just realized you might not be looking at your own karma stats. If you're looking at the karma stats link, found at the bottom of the home page, then that displays all karma transactions for all members. It displays who made the karma change, whose karma they changed, and the thread the post receiving karma change is related. If you want to see only your own karma, then go to your profile, and click the links: who changed my karma, or whose karma have I changed. Rage and Scrapheap are currently jabbing each other via karma, as well as in the open forum, and none of that which you are calling 'hate' is being directed toward you.
More like scrap is jabbing at me because he is having some kind of a problem irl or something, and i'm responding. I also don't like it that he thinks its funny to talk about killing muslims, AGAIN. But oh well. :green:
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Whichever. It's all very entertaining from the perspective of this screen. :laugh: Just thinking Hannah is misunderstanding the karma logs, of which you've both appeared very busy.
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
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Do Muslims export more violence than Americans?
I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
The spirit of Randy has possessed you. :GA:
I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
Just looked at your karma, and no one appears to have written anything negative to you.
Off topic, did you used to post at AFF? Was never a member, but your writing style has that unmistakable sound of unity encountered when reading over there, so just curious.
Synchronized spazzing: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz: :spaz:
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I don't get the karma thing...eh it is what it is I guess? Question: why the heck or what the heck lier, what? I'm confused by the karma thing it's just the hate is making me itch my :bounce: in excess at it's bleh ness... it's a bit funny actually I find it...oh wait I'm talking like Yoda back sass wards...who boy time for bed...needless to say I will unintentionally offend some just for being myself 'please everyone please no one'...
Just looked at your karma, and no one appears to have written anything negative to you.
Just realized you might not be looking at your own karma stats. If you're looking at the karma stats link, found at the bottom of the home page, then that displays all karma transactions for all members. It displays who made the karma change, whose karma they changed, and the thread the post receiving karma change is related. If you want to see only your own karma, then go to your profile, and click the links: who changed my karma, or whose karma have I changed. Rage and Scrapheap are currently jabbing each other via karma, as well as in the open forum, and none of that which you are calling 'hate' is being directed toward you.
Hey thank you jack for helping me 'get' karma and clearing that up very helpful of you... :plus:
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"unmistakable sound of unity" hum that's interesting to note and pick up on, thank you :headbang2:...and yes dear jack I did a while ago post when AFF was still a breathing organism... :asthing:
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Hey thank you jack for helping me 'get' karma and clearing that up very helpful of you... :plus:
Good. Now stop messing with my karma. :laugh:
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"unmistakable sound of unity" hum that's interesting to note and pick up on, thank you :headbang2:...and yes dear jack I did a while ago post when AFF was still a breathing organism... :asthing:
It's an odd thing; just had to assume people there had been around each other so long, they began to mirror each other's posting style. Either that, or half the site was one person.
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Didn't mention the holocaust fuckwit!! :hahaha:
Then what did you mean by this:
He sees a threat in 6 million Jews
2) Saying that the majority of Muslims are violent (300 million Arabs comment)
You lack reading comprehension. If (for sake of argument) Germany's chief export is Porsches, then by your logic, the majority of Germans work at Porsche.
There's a big difference between a country and a group of people.
That's sloppy thinking on your part.
Not really...
It only takes a large minority and a silent majority for Arab muslims to export so much violence.
There isn't a silent majority. A lot of Muslims have spoken out against ISIS.
The Kool-aid comments were responses to Rage posting propaganda and bare assertions without evidence.
I suppose that everything you disagree with can be considered propaganda?
I doubt you've even looked at the links.
Why are you harboring such double standards in this?
Posted like a proper SJW. I expected better from you Pappy :M
It's obvious you've taken Rage's side because he has done some of what you're accusing me of
I see links in Rage's posts, I see counterarguments in Rage's posts. All I see in yours are insults, rambling and smilies. Whether those links or counterarguments are biased or not, it's more of a convincing argument than you've given.
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"unmistakable sound of unity" hum that's interesting to note and pick up on, thank you :headbang2:...and yes dear jack I did a while ago post when AFF was still a breathing organism... :asthing:
It's an odd thing; just had to assume people there had been around each other so long, they began to mirror each other's posting style. Either that, or half the site was one person.
Everyone here is either Chair or buttcoffee except Gopher Gary and Skelth. :police:
Perhaps everyone at AFF was either CBC or Amy Nelson?? :autism: :aff:
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
Until we stop doing it, we'll never know. Globalization is the disease. We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.
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woah the sig quote benjimanbreeg is a bit of a boob scratcher for me...what? Makes no sense at all on any level :headhurts: sense when were the Palestinians a people group? and why would people from Brooklyn live where they are? Wait what? :headhurts: I'm confused by his statement...Just move along with the thread and don't mind me I'm confused at present... :GA:
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"unmistakable sound of unity" hum that's interesting to note and pick up on, thank you :headbang2:...and yes dear jack I did a while ago post when AFF was still a breathing organism... :asthing:
It's an odd thing; just had to assume people there had been around each other so long, they began to mirror each other's posting style. Either that, or half the site was one person.
I confess. :zoinks:
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woah the sig quote benjimanbreeg is a bit of a boob scratcher for me...what? Makes no sense at all on any level :headhurts: sense when were the Palestinians a people group? and why would people from Brooklyn live where they are? Wait what? :headhurts: I'm confused by his statement...Just move along with the thread and don't mind me I'm confused at present... :GA:
That's typical Israeli propaganda though. 'well, Palestinians never existed so it's ok to ethnically cleanse them and blow their children up'. That myth was debunked in the 80's anyway, and even if you did want to go down that road. Are Israelis a people group? I mean, some European colonists who just sail in and magically become Israelis? Because since the late 40's Palestinians have been forced from their homes and replaced by Jews. Whole cities were dismantled and new ones built straight on top. When the Palestinians were forced out and colonists moved into the homes, sometimes the coffee would still be warm on the table.
Just look at Jaffa before the 1948 massacres and destruction
http://cdn1.electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/2/090225-jaffa-1.jpg (http://cdn1.electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/2/090225-jaffa-1.jpg)
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I suppose that everything you disagree with can be considered propaganda?
I doubt you've even looked at the links.
He can't click them because illuminati propaganda. Don't argue with me or propagandized propaganda Kool-Aid open your eyes wake up Christ consciousness 2014 solar flares cause gmos to activate in ur bloodstream if u inject too many marijuanas homogay
Wheres my hamburger
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woah the sig quote benjimanbreeg is a bit of a boob scratcher for me...what?
I like that you scratch your b00bs a lot. :zoinks:
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woah the sig quote benjimanbreeg is a bit of a boob scratcher for me...what?
I like that you scratch your b00bs a lot. :zoinks:
well thanks I think? :orly: it's what I do when I'm confused, befuddled, baffled, bored or all four...in fact the issues going on is probably why my poor boobs need more lotion then usual...jeez, freaking ombudsmen running around like chickens with their heads cut off... :headhurts:
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That's hawt. I'm cyber e-dry humping your leg right now, :zoinks:
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
Until we stop doing it, we'll never know. Globalization is the disease. We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.
Isolation might work. Close the borders. Stop international flights. Shut down the Internet. Cut the telephone cables. Stop exporting TV shows. Just... stop.
Or, we could entertain this notion about there being an additional couple of steps between not agreeing and wanting to behead everyone we disagree with. That the world is not black and white, but also that there is actually evil in the world.
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
Until we stop doing it, we'll never know. Globalization is the disease. We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.
Isolation might work. Close the borders. Stop international flights. Shut down the Internet. Cut the telephone cables. Stop exporting TV shows. Just... stop.
Or, we could entertain this notion about there being an additional couple of steps between not agreeing and wanting to behead everyone we disagree with. That the world is not black and white, but also that there is actually evil in the world.
Could you perhaps raise the sarcasm level just a touch? I have trouble detecting it...
I'm not being black and white, i'm just thinking of the route causes, rather than using black and white thinking and just focusing on some Jihadi John guy who keep beheading people. What about the 3 million plus Iraqis that have lost their lives during America's 2 wars? America wanted to fight with these organ eating butchers last year. America pays Israel to bulldoze people's homes with the residents inside, so you're right, there is actually evil in the world.
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I mean just look at it.
Look At This Car!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF8GhC-T_Mo#ws)
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
Until we stop doing it, we'll never know. Globalization is the disease. We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.
Isolation might work. Close the borders. Stop international flights. Shut down the Internet. Cut the telephone cables. Stop exporting TV shows. Just... stop.
Or, we could entertain this notion about there being an additional couple of steps between not agreeing and wanting to behead everyone we disagree with. That the world is not black and white, but also that there is actually evil in the world.
Could you perhaps raise the sarcasm level just a touch? I have trouble detecting it...
Darn. I went for subtle. :zoinks:
I'm not being black and white, i'm just thinking of the route causes, rather than using black and white thinking and just focusing on some Jihadi John guy who keep beheading people. What about the 3 million plus Iraqis that have lost their lives during America's 2 wars? America wanted to fight with these organ eating butchers last year. America pays Israel to bulldoze people's homes with the residents inside, so you're right, there is actually evil in the world.
How's your response not black and white? You've taken a very simplistic approach.
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Simplified =/= incorrect.
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
Until we stop doing it, we'll never know. Globalization is the disease. We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.
Isolation might work. Close the borders. Stop international flights. Shut down the Internet. Cut the telephone cables. Stop exporting TV shows. Just... stop.
Or, we could entertain this notion about there being an additional couple of steps between not agreeing and wanting to behead everyone we disagree with. That the world is not black and white, but also that there is actually evil in the world.
Could you perhaps raise the sarcasm level just a touch? I have trouble detecting it...
Darn. I went for subtle. :zoinks:
I'm not being black and white, i'm just thinking of the route causes, rather than using black and white thinking and just focusing on some Jihadi John guy who keep beheading people. What about the 3 million plus Iraqis that have lost their lives during America's 2 wars? America wanted to fight with these organ eating butchers last year. America pays Israel to bulldoze people's homes with the residents inside, so you're right, there is actually evil in the world.
How's your response not black and white? You've taken a very simplistic approach.
Cause i'm not just watching the news and buying that we need to bomb more people. I realize there are tons of other reasons why we go in and bomb the Middle East, and most of them have nothing to do with what we're being told.
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Simplified =/= incorrect.
I believe I used the word "simplistic". ::)
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I just wonder if not blowing their people up and stealing their resources would solve the angry Arab problem. Or maybe the anger is in their DNA :apondering:
Yeah. The beheadings are definitely our fault. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
Don't you think the answer is just a tiny little bit more complex than that? Seriously?
Until we stop doing it, we'll never know. Globalization is the disease. We should stay out of each others way and just trade on friendly and fair terms.
Isolation might work. Close the borders. Stop international flights. Shut down the Internet. Cut the telephone cables. Stop exporting TV shows. Just... stop.
Or, we could entertain this notion about there being an additional couple of steps between not agreeing and wanting to behead everyone we disagree with. That the world is not black and white, but also that there is actually evil in the world.
Could you perhaps raise the sarcasm level just a touch? I have trouble detecting it...
Darn. I went for subtle. :zoinks:
I'm not being black and white, i'm just thinking of the route causes, rather than using black and white thinking and just focusing on some Jihadi John guy who keep beheading people. What about the 3 million plus Iraqis that have lost their lives during America's 2 wars? America wanted to fight with these organ eating butchers last year. America pays Israel to bulldoze people's homes with the residents inside, so you're right, there is actually evil in the world.
How's your response not black and white? You've taken a very simplistic approach.
Cause i'm not just watching the news and buying that we need to bomb more people. I realize there are tons of other reasons why we go in and bomb the Middle East, and most of them have nothing to do with what we're being told.
And what other sources do you use to enhance your world views?
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Numerous ones. Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.
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Numerous ones. Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.
The problem is, that there's no real way to tell the difference. :police:
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Numerous ones. Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.
And you found these hidden fountains of wisdom where and can you share so we all can be enlightened?
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Just by continuing to look for the truth.
You get people like Norman Finkelstein who's been studying the Israel/Palestine conflict for 32 years and knows more than anyone else, yet mainstream media won't have him on, they'd rather have Gene Simmons. Finkelstein has only been on the Michael Coren show in the US, and Democracy Now, only because he's good friends with Amy Goodman. You get moronic fucktards like Alan Dershowitz who've tried to silence him, and have been dismantled by him. He is mainly seen on RT, which I know is full of propaganda like Western news channels, but it's refreshing to hear, and at least they will have anyone on.
I'd say Noam Chomsky is pretty ignored to, given the stature he has.
Come across numerous journalists like Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich and John Wight. I think it's best to listen to all arguments, however "extreme", then make your mind up.
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Numerous ones. Certain people are hidden from the media for a reason, and no, not always because they speak shit.
The problem is, that there's no real way to tell the difference. :police:
QFT
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Here, as in the ISIS discussion, it seems to me that you start with your opinions and then go for anything that will back them up.
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The assumption is that war and terrorism is unwanted by the ruling powers.
Remember that money talks. War, terrorism, in particular destruction, generates money.
It's not tinfoilism, it is what causes war to never quite end. Watch for yourself, it's not gonna end. It has gone Orwellian, and has done so long ago. America has become an expert in constant warfare, why? Because America is one of the most money-ruled nations on earth.
Russia is following closely, and has been paying money for continous warfare since they stopped being commie - almost on the day, continous
While America bombed Serbia, Russia bombed Grozny, they then shelled half of Dagestan, then more of Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan. They fuel insurrection in - then get involved in Ossetia and Abkhazia, and in the process go to outright war with Georgia, and invades them - a scenario almost every neighbor of Russia expects at some point.
They're finally done with Georgia, go back to simmering instabilities in the Caucasus, before they invade Ukraine - this time "unofficially", since the invading forces are Russian civilians, technically speaking.
ISIS is quite similar to the Ruski volunteers, a bunch of disgruntled UK-Moroccan rappers and whatnot. They have lived 20, 30 years in a liberty where decapitation seems completely surreal. We have seen the simplicity of terrorism as of late, take a rifle, start shooting people. We have seen the very simplicity of government in action, coups, the hands-on-potential of it, so - fully inspired, ISIS are encouraged to just go hands-on on the middle east, decapitate anyone refusing to leave parliament, and simply taking their own seats in the building "We have a caliphate now!" Yes. Yes you actually do, that is how simple it is to create a country. The panicking plebs are now your population to do as you wish with. Except, of course, it is equally simple to depose them, and replace them. Change of government is simple both days.
ISIS are encouraged not by themselves, but by "higher powers". I've seen unconfirmed suggestions that ISIS have backgrounds primarily in Mossad, but also in UK, French and American intelligence, and I am not surprised AT ALL. Again, no tinfoil: It isn't difficult, impossible or unlikely to create armed terror-groups discretely. People imagine it is VERY complicated, but IT IS NOT. It is VERY - VERY easy. People are so hard-coded to freak out by themselves, you only have to give them an umbrella to organize under, and physical arms and ammunition, and some actual - practical guidelines.
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And a sound rebuttal by the O-man. A meme. :LOL:
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I find this reaction very strange. "Deliberate politics driving nations towards war? NEVER! UN-Thinkable!"
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And a sound rebuttal by the O-man. A meme. :LOL:
:lol1:
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seriously tho
1. it's not THAT far fetched. "false flag" is a common tactic, often documented. Do we have to assume false-flag attacks never occur, unless they are well documented historical examples? Nobody here has spoken of fucking aliens, we're talking about common, human politics, corruption and capitalism.
2. when have we talked about aliens before? odeon's reacting as if we ALWAYS talk about aliens, "oh, here we go again!", and obviously pappy's all over that "YES! ALWAYS ABOUT THE ALIENS! *fap fap fap*"
I mean, what's wrong with "Guys, I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's not THAT intricate."
does he respond the same way with everything?
"I think it might rain tomorrow"
"OH, so you believe in ALIENS TOO NOW!?"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring)
Just sayin. ;)
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I find this reaction very strange. "Deliberate politics driving nations towards war? NEVER! UN-Thinkable!"
Yeah, that's what I said. ::)
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And a sound rebuttal by the O-man. A meme. :LOL:
My reply was just as well-researched as Zegh's. :M
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seriously tho
1. it's not THAT far fetched. "false flag" is a common tactic, often documented. Do we have to assume false-flag attacks never occur, unless they are well documented historical examples? Nobody here has spoken of fucking aliens, we're talking about common, human politics, corruption and capitalism.
2. when have we talked about aliens before? odeon's reacting as if we ALWAYS talk about aliens, "oh, here we go again!", and obviously pappy's all over that "YES! ALWAYS ABOUT THE ALIENS! *fap fap fap*"
I mean, what's wrong with "Guys, I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's not THAT intricate."
does he respond the same way with everything?
"I think it might rain tomorrow"
"OH, so you believe in ALIENS TOO NOW!?"
Put away the tinfoil hat and I might take your views seriously. You're attempting to validate the tinfoil by asking seemingly sane but ultimately irrelevant questions. Does the fact that false flag tactics have been used before equal the Mossad, etc being behind the IS? No, and it's not even close.
The origins of the Islamic State are fairly well-documented, as is their current financing. A detail might be wrong, here and there, but on the whole, there is no big mystery.
Hence the aliens.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring)
Just sayin. ;)
Fits with your MO, mate. Just sayin'.
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IS funded by Saudi and Qatar, 2 USrael puppet states.
It's all tin foil stuff though until it's been confirmed on mainstream news.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew)
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IS funded by Saudi and Qatar, 2 USrael puppet states.
It's all tin foil stuff though until it's been confirmed on mainstream news.
:tinfoil:
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew)
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