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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: McGiver on December 10, 2006, 08:14:02 AM
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I don't like alpha men.
i would be curious to see what others think an alpha male is.
i bet there are differences of opinions. many may think that i am an alpha male, but i am not. i am far from being an alpha male. unless one would consider an alpha male as someone who has strong opinions.
i have my own thoughts on what an alpha male is, i will share them shortly. what are your thoughts.
what is an alpha male?
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Someone that will never have any trouble getting women he wants.
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Someone that will never have any trouble getting women he wants.
every male who puts their mind to it.
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Pretty much what hale_bopp said, but I also associate them with being macho and somehow getting lots of women despite being an ass.
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Someone that will never have any trouble getting women he wants.
every male who puts their mind to it.
Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
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Not me.
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An alpha male is someone who has total self confidence, and thus people, at least NTs, are instinctively looking up to him, both men and women. That way he gets most women he wants. It's primitive and disgusting and always reminds me of lynch mobs and the worst and lowest human instincts.
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Someone that will never have any trouble getting women he wants.
every male who puts their mind to it.
Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
closer.
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An alpha male is someone who has total self confidence, and thus people, at least NTs, are instinctively looking up to him, both men and women. That way he gets most women he wants. It's primitive and disgusting and always reminds me of lynch mobs and the worst and lowest human instincts.
i would agree with most of this, but with a few additions.
i also think that several men are pseudo alpha males. an act. but annoying to the degree that they are great actors, and try too hard to dominate without real leadership abilities.
might makes right, aggressive, bullying types.
and more.
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I agree to your additions. The poser alphas are even more annoying.
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the type that takes off their sunglasses the second things do not go their way and challenge you to fist to cuffs.
the drunks who have to dominate every social occasion and regale you with their stories about whatever boring theing they have done in their life.
poseurs.
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the drunks who have to dominate every social occasion and regale you with their stories about whatever boring theing they have done in their life.
poseurs.
My brother had such a jerk in his class in elementary. He lived very near us and always came and bragged about how much he fucked, how much he drank, how much fights he was into etc. He always sneaked beer and whisky from me, since I'm five years older and he couldn't buy what he wanted in the liquor stores. He was so stupid that he couldn't make the theory test for his driving license until he was 24 (the age limit is 18 in Sweden). The most annoying thing, however, was that this pathetic jerk actually got a lot of beautiful girls to fuck, among others the girl who won the county beauty contest...
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:laugh: Nobody would put Alpha male and me in the same sentence! :laugh: I'm not the dominator/controlling type!
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confidence lit.
no matter how they protest to the contrary, women find a confident man to be attractive.
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maybe they just want to reduce him to a sniveling little man.
i haven't quite figured that out yet, but i know that confidence gets a man laid.
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confidence lit.
no matter how they protest to the contrary, women find a confident man to be attractive.
or
maybe they just want to reduce him to a sniveling little man.
i haven't quite figured that out yet, but i know that confidence gets a man laid.
My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
2) if they cannot get 1), they're looking for a pathetic low life loser, that they can have worshipping them.
So they either want a man as a trophy or a servant. That's why "ordinary", nice guys usually have a relatively hard time getting women. They don't fit in either cathegory.
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confidence lit.
no matter how they protest to the contrary, women find a confident man to be attractive.
or
maybe they just want to reduce him to a sniveling little man.
i haven't quite figured that out yet, but i know that confidence gets a man laid.
My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
2) if they cannot get 1), they're looking for a pathetic low life loser, that they can have worshipping them.
So they either want a man as a trophy or a servant. That's why "ordinary", nice guys usually have a relatively hard time getting women. They don't fit in either cathegory.
the key to your argument:
they want/need a man to feel complete. they need someone/anyone to provide them with a sense of worth.
i think this is bad and not healthy.
men, many men, on the other hand, want pussy to provide them with the same thing.
women are more desperate in their attempts to procure their false needs. men are more proactive in trying to acquire their false needs.
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Very true indeed.
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confidence lit.
no matter how they protest to the contrary, women find a confident man to be attractive.
or
maybe they just want to reduce him to a sniveling little man.
i haven't quite figured that out yet, but i know that confidence gets a man laid.
My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
2) if they cannot get 1), they're looking for a pathetic low life loser, that they can have worshipping them.
So they either want a man as a trophy or a servant. That's why "ordinary", nice guys usually have a relatively hard time getting women. They don't fit in either cathegory.
Neither of those apply to me.
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confidence lit.
no matter how they protest to the contrary, women find a confident man to be attractive.
or
maybe they just want to reduce him to a sniveling little man.
i haven't quite figured that out yet, but i know that confidence gets a man laid.
My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
2) if they cannot get 1), they're looking for a pathetic low life loser, that they can have worshipping them.
So they either want a man as a trophy or a servant. That's why "ordinary", nice guys usually have a relatively hard time getting women. They don't fit in either cathegory.
Neither of those apply to me.
No, but you're an aspie. Those mostly apply to NT women.
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Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
A group of Lions is called a Pride. :P
Lions use a much different socio-sexual system from primates, especially humans.
What was your point in posting this??
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I (http://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Packs/Valentine/heart.png) subtyping. ::)
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An alpha male is someone who has total self confidence, and thus people, at least NTs, are instinctively looking up to him, both men and women. That way he gets most women he wants. It's primitive and disgusting and always reminds me of lynch mobs and the worst and lowest human instincts.
i would agree with most of this, but with a few additions.
i also think that several men are pseudo alpha males. an act. but annoying to the degree that they are great actors, and try too hard to dominate without real leadership abilities.
might makes right, aggressive, bullying types.
and more.
This is known as the 3 male strategies.
1) Macho
2) Standard
3) Sneaky
Thes 3 male types are seen throughout the animal kingdom. They take turns being the dominate type in thier group. It works kind of like rock, paper, scissors.
When the machos dominate, they only see standard males as a threat and ignore the sneakies who grow in number and have better reproductive success. The sneakies then dominate and the numbers of macho's decline. The decline of macho's allows standard males to increase in number and dominate the sneakies. As the standard males take over and there's fewer sneakies, the machos increase in number and begin to dominate the standard males. Thus the cycle starts all over again.
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Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
A group of Lions is called a Pride. :P
Lions use a much different socio-sexual system from primates, especially humans.
What was your point in posting this??
The POINT, my dear, was to illustrate what mammals are like in general when it comes to this shit. Whether it's a primate or not is just being picky, what I said was a generalisation.
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I am omega male. :laugh:
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My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
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From my observations, it doesn't seem to be as simple as them wanting to worship such men. They want a trophy, indeed, but on their terms; a big, strong, pretty guard dog that will shield them from hardships and which they can fall back to, which falls for their subtle but rather effective ways of controlling it and provides them with that which they want. (for example, money, status and luxuary living standards that they don't have to work for themselves)
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My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
[...]
From my observations, it doesn't seem to be as simple as them wanting to worship such men. They want a trophy, indeed, but on their terms; a big, strong, pretty guard dog that will shield them from hardships and which they can fall back to, which falls for their subtle but rather effective ways of controlling it and provides them with that which they want. (for example, money, status and luxuary living standards that they don't have to work for themselves)
comfort.
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I worship men.
..that like sparkly things
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I worship men.
..that like sparkly things
i love my chrismas tree.
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I love pizza. 8)
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I worship men.
..that like sparkly things
i love my chrismas tree.
That counts as carbon like (if fake) or leafy (if real)
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I worship men.
..that like sparkly things
i love my chrismas tree.
That counts as carbon like (if fake) or leafy (if real)
it is real.
but the lights and decorations are fabulous.
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Fake trees should be an arrestable offence.
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My sister's tree from last year is still growing happily in it's pot in the garden. Don't know if she wants it this year again.
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The term alpha male has a meaning which deviates from the spirit of its origins. Alpha males are the dominant, confident, fit, powerful men. However, Alpha male basically just means the most dominant male, and we have invented a lot of different ways to be the top male besides just being the biggest meanest dog of the pack. So although the current definition of alpha male may mean the muscle bound confident jack ass, there may be real alpha males that dominate over him in reality.
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Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
A group of Lions is called a Pride. :P
Lions use a much different socio-sexual system from primates, especially humans.
What was your point in posting this??
The POINT, my dear, was to illustrate what mammals are like in general when it comes to this shit. Whether it's a primate or not is just being picky, what I said was a generalisation.
Human males were the subject at hand. Your response was off-subject. :P
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Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
A group of Lions is called a Pride. :P
Lions use a much different socio-sexual system from primates, especially humans.
What was your point in posting this??
The POINT, my dear, was to illustrate what mammals are like in general when it comes to this shit. Whether it's a primate or not is just being picky, what I said was a generalisation.
Human males were the subject at hand. Your response was off-subject. :P
What a pity
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Wrong. Look at a pack of lions.
A group of Lions is called a Pride. :P
Lions use a much different socio-sexual system from primates, especially humans.
What was your point in posting this??
The POINT, my dear, was to illustrate what mammals are like in general when it comes to this shit. Whether it's a primate or not is just being picky, what I said was a generalisation.
Human males were the subject at hand. Your response was off-subject. :P
What a pity
You'll be fined $500 for your first offense. It's $1000 after that. You can send your check to 555 N. Queensberry........
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confidence lit.
no matter how they protest to the contrary, women find a confident man to be attractive.
or
maybe they just want to reduce him to a sniveling little man.
i haven't quite figured that out yet, but i know that confidence gets a man laid.
My theory is that women, if not just looking for cock, want:
1) a man to worship, i.e., a handsome, confident and rich man.
2) if they cannot get 1), they're looking for a pathetic low life loser, that they can have worshipping them.
So they either want a man as a trophy or a servant. That's why "ordinary", nice guys usually have a relatively hard time getting women. They don't fit in either cathegory.
I'm actually attracted to confident men, but not the bastard types, and I don't want to worship a man. I don't want to be worshipped by a man either. I like men who can be comfortable in their own skin and with their own masculinity without resorting to misogynistic bull shit. But I don't like men who allow women to pussy whip them or who always defer to their female partner. I'm attracted to men who don't consider either sex to be better in some way than the other.
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I'm actually attracted to confident men, but not the bastard types, and I don't want to worship a man. I don't want to be worshipped by a man either. I like men who can be comfortable in their own skin and with their own masculinity without resorting to misogynistic bull shit. But I don't like men who allow women to pussy whip them or who always defer to their female partner. I'm attracted to men who don't consider either sex to be better in some way than the other.
Confidence is OK. I'm pretty confident myself and actually have a pretty good dignity of my own, at least when dealing with people on my own intellectual level who are openminded. The thing is that "confident" NTs tend to be bastards. They just have to peck on others to feel good. I do have some misogynistic traits, but they have come through being treated like shit without no obvious reason from NT bitches. I'm just trying to avoid those kind of women nowadays.
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Being a man of your word, chivalrous, selflessly putting your close friends and family before yourself...
Alpha male traits, in my book. They embody true strength.
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an Alpha Male in BDSM means a Dominant man that is in a Cuckolding relationship with a Dominant Woman and a Submissive Man.
The Alpha Male controls the sub guy, takes over his household and maybe even his finances
and fucks the subs girlfriend/wife right in front of him
the sub is no longer allowed to touch his girlfriend, ever
and he may even physically beat him up, or have sex with him too
Usually only really submissive men want this. It's kind of extreme.
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an Alpha Male in BDSM means a Dominant man that is in a Cuckolding relationship with a Dominant Woman and a Submissive Man.
The Alpha Male controls the sub guy, takes over his household and maybe even his finances
and fucks the subs girlfriend/wife right in front of him
the sub is no longer allowed to touch his girlfriend, ever
and he may even physically beat him up, or have sex with him too
Usually only really submissive men want this. It's kind of extreme.
I have to be honest , I have no idea why anyone would ever want that.
If a guy tried to touch my bf , I would rip him limb from limb. >:D
I'm kind of the jealous type :P
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The first real sub I had after my husband wanted that very very badly.
He moved to the other side of the state so I dont see him anymore :(
But... he wanted nothing more than for me to get a boyfriend and tease him about it.
He wanted us to move into his apartment, and not pay rent
and me and my "new boyfriend" would use and abuse him, while he cleaned the house for us and made us breakfast
he LIKED to be jealous
He wasn't gay, not at all. He liked women. But he wanted to be submissive to a "real man" because he wasn't a "real man" and he thought I deserved a "real man"
I would talk about it with him, but I cant do it
i don't LIKE Dominant men. I could ultimately never cuck someone long term because I would like the sub and not the Dom.
Now he is a sub to some sociopathic guy. He sometimes messages me online to say " Oh he kicked me in public today I was so happy"
but, he is a cute boy. very very very cute. And often disappoints women on purpose. For example, he will pick some chick up in a bar or something and when they go to have sex he acts very inadequate and acts like he doesnt know what he is doing, and tries as hard as he can to get her to laugh at him.
It's what he wants I guess.
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The first real sub I had after my husband wanted that very very badly.
He moved to the other side of the state so I dont see him anymore :(
But... he wanted nothing more than for me to get a boyfriend and tease him about it.
He wanted us to move into his apartment, and not pay rent
and me and my "new boyfriend" would use and abuse him, while he cleaned the house for us and made us breakfast
he LIKED to be jealous
He wasn't gay, not at all. He liked women. But he wanted to be submissive to a "real man" because he wasn't a "real man" and he thought I deserved a "real man"
I would talk about it with him, but I cant do it
i don't LIKE Dominant men. I could ultimately never cuck someone long term because I would like the sub and not the Dom.
Now he is a sub to some sociopathic guy. He sometimes messages me online to say " Oh he kicked me in public today I was so happy"
but, he is a cute boy. very very very cute. And often disappoints women on purpose. For example, he will pick some chick up in a bar or something and when they go to have sex he acts very inadequate and acts like he doesnt know what he is doing, and tries as hard as he can to get her to laugh at him.
It's what he wants I guess.
Fetishism is one thing , so is fantasy , but..... there are sme people who I do think go too far and that leads me to wonder about their psychological state.
Don't take this wrong but , I'm sure that sub is lovely but he sounds like he's got serious issues. :-\
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he is a real shadow of a boy, but is sane and everything. He has a good stable job, only a few friends but good ones.
This all started really young with him. He got teased really badly in school by the other boys, especially because of having to change in the locker room . he was a willowy, small boy and got teased all the time, but being teased like that turned him on. So, all of it just kind of traveled into adulthood. He said he was beat up really bad at 13 and it made him have an orgasm when he got kicked.
So, yeah, Im sure he could benefit from therapy, but he enjoys himself. He likes this.
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he is a real shadow of a boy, but is sane and everything. He has a good stable job, only a few friends but good ones.
This all started really young with him. He got teased really badly in school by the other boys, especially because of having to change in the locker room . he was a willowy, small boy and got teased all the time, but being teased like that turned him on. So, all of it just kind of traveled into adulthood. He said he was beat up really bad at 13 and it made him have an orgasm when he got kicked.
So, yeah, Im sure he could benefit from therapy, but he enjoys himself. He likes this.
See now all of that would just make me worry about him putting himself into danger for sexual arousal.
Does sound like he's had a tough life , poor guy. :(
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he says when he sees some macho guy walking down the street he gets all giggly thinking he is going to get beat up by him. But it's fantasy.
I am worried about this Dom guy he is a sub to now though. I talked to him one time and he was a real asshole. He told me that he was HIS now and I didnt have power over him anymore..I was like DAMN I just want to check on my friends BF to make sure he is ok.
I guess that is what he wants.
He isnt my sub anymore, but still a good friend so we talk a lot as friends, and he is really really happy. :-/
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he says when he sees some macho guy walking down the street he gets all giggly thinking he is going to get beat up by him. But it's fantasy.
Fantasy's are one thing as I said , we all have them , I've had more than a few weird ones. :laugh:
I am worried about this Dom guy he is a sub to now though. I talked to him one time and he was a real asshole. He told me that he was HIS now and I didnt have power over him anymore..I was like DAMN I just want to check on my friends BF to make sure he is ok.
Ugh sounds like a complete toss pot :thumbdn:
I would lol if you dommed him though , that would be funny. >:D
He isnt my sub anymore, but still a good friend so we talk a lot as friends, and he is really really happy. :-/
See this is where I question his judgement.
Is he allowing lust to overtake his rational though because TBH this dom sounds bat fuck crazy and bordering on dangerous.
Happiness is one thing , but is it worth risking your health and perhaps more for it? :-\
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Interesting... :orly:
He could be working out his bullying issues in some convoluted way.
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Interesting... :orly:
He could be working out his bullying issues in some convoluted way.
Yes, I think maybe. I also think, "what luck". Here, I will explain... He was submissive from birth, he said he would hide in the clothes hamper when he was 5. So, this bullying didn't make him a sub. But, it made his submissive nature, uh, blossom.
I would think it a problem if he had a problem. He, however, really doesn't. He likes feeling like that. He often says to me, " I am always trying to be a better submissive." :) And he will always be my friend. I'll do my best to protect him whenever I can.
he says when he sees some macho guy walking down the street he gets all giggly thinking he is going to get beat up by him. But it's fantasy.
Fantasy's are one thing as I said , we all have them , I've had more than a few weird ones. :laugh:
I am worried about this Dom guy he is a sub to now though. I talked to him one time and he was a real asshole. He told me that he was HIS now and I didnt have power over him anymore..I was like DAMN I just want to check on my friends BF to make sure he is ok.
Ugh sounds like a complete toss pot :thumbdn:
I would lol if you dommed him though , that would be funny. >:D
He isnt my sub anymore, but still a good friend so we talk a lot as friends, and he is really really happy. :-/
See this is where I question his judgement.
Is he allowing lust to overtake his rational though because TBH this dom sounds bat fuck crazy and bordering on dangerous.
Happiness is one thing , but is it worth risking your health and perhaps more for it? :-\
I am worried about this Dom, yeah.
Most of the "Dominant men" I have met are either total fucking sociopaths, or not really into this that deep. I am sure there are exceptions to this rule but it is so true that I really don't talk to Dom men at all. This also may be just my experience.
He only does what this man tells him to do, but he feeds him, and stuff like that. But he stays in his cage a lot, and isn't allowed to message me very often. THat is one of his rewards...being allowed to talk to me...
If I ever get a hint that he is being hurt badly, im going to drive across the state and rescue him.
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He only does what this man tells him to do, but he feeds him, and stuff like that. But he stays in his cage a lot, and isn't allowed to message me very often. THat is one of his rewards...being allowed to talk to me...
If I ever get a hint that he is being hurt badly, im going to drive across the state and rescue him.
I know this is going to sound stupid , but.. where do you draw the line between BDSM / Play and Abuse?
This guy doesn't sound right at all :-\
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where to draw the line ? I guess that is a personal decision. There are things past my limits, yet I don't really judge them. I've certainly said no to people and subs have said no to me. I think as long as you can say, "time out, stop, I don't like that" it is a matter of interpretation. I would say this guy was abusing him, but my friend has never been so happy in his life. He told me this is what he wanted his whole life.
Some people have an inborn need to serve. I've learned to stop underestimating perversions. I say, as long as there is no problem, it is not a problem.
I don't listen to the word no. That is part of it. But I do listen to "no no no". See what I mean ? As long as you can stop it, you can never stop it. I know that with the right person, I could go on like this constantly.
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What blows your hair back is very different than what does it for me, or your little sub friend or the domme bloke. Hell why judge. It is all different. Maybe they are in a co-dependant abusive relationship and maybe that is what they both want.
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where to draw the line ? I guess that is a personal decision. There are things past my limits, yet I don't really judge them. I've certainly said no to people and subs have said no to me. I think as long as you can say, "time out, stop, I don't like that" it is a matter of interpretation.
Thats what I'm wondering , from the way you have described the dom , it sounds like he wouldn't stop.
As long as there is an agreed safety word (is that the term?) then I don't see anything wrong with it.
Just to be clear I'm not judging all BDSM play , It's just what you described I find concerning regarding your ex-sub. :-\
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I agree that I am worried about him, but I do talk to him at least once a week and he says he is so happy....I have to believe him.
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I agree that I am worried about him, but I do talk to him at least once a week and he says he is so happy....I have to believe him.
Ok then I guess as long as he is happy. :-\
But , if it gets worse and you do go to rescue him , give the dom a punch round the face for me. :grrr:
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Saw two boys play today, about 7 years old I think. One of them asked the other to pull his hair. The other did not want to stop right away when the first thought he had had pain enough. But, the first one clearly loved the pain.
Made me think of this thread. :santa:
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Saw two boys play today, about 7 years old I think. One of them asked the other to pull his hair. The other did not want to stop right away when the first thought he had had pain enough. But, the first one clearly loved the pain.
Made me think of this thread. :santa:
In 12 years time , we'll have to hook him up with Eris. :2thumbsup: :P