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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: El-Presidente on December 05, 2013, 04:05:39 PM
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Rest in peace Madiba. Your long walk has ended and a great light has been extinguished.
“I have walked that long road to freedom. I have tried not to falter; I have made missteps along the way. But I have discovered the secret that after climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb. I have taken a moment here to rest, to steal a view of the glorious vista that surrounds me, to look back on the distance I have come. But I can only rest for a moment, for with freedom come responsibilities, and I dare not linger, for my long walk is not ended.”
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Respect to The Nobel Peace Prize Winner and to South Africans first black president.
A man who was robbed of 27 of his 95 years, spent in jail.
Rest in Peace Nelson Mandela.
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Rest in Peace Dear sir...
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Rest in peace. The world is a better place because of you.
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Rest in peace.
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60 seconds of Nelson Mandela dancing to 'Free Nelson Mandela' (Tribute) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdcWSJD2_9A#ws)
Nelson Mandela dancing to "free Nelson Mandela"
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There are many who point out that he was a terrorist, and that he hurt people etc. I don't understand how that is news or shocking or changes anything.
I remember the same tendency back when I used to hang out with commie-party-youth, "Omg you guyez, did you know Che Guevara actually KILLED people!? I HATE HIM NOW!" yes you naive, useless pricks. How else do you _force_ a government to crumble, and actually make a change? Terrorism. That's how.
"D: YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM?"
Get that head out of Americas ass, and try to see each case individually. I'm sick of reminding people that during WW2, every. Single. Resistance fighter _technically_ constituted an "insurgent", and every. single. one. who ever planted a bomb - was a "terrorist".
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There are many who point out that he was a terrorist, and that he hurt people etc. I don't understand how that is news or shocking or changes anything.
I remember the same tendency back when I used to hang out with commie-party-youth, "Omg you guyez, did you know Che Guevara actually KILLED people!? I HATE HIM NOW!" yes you naive, useless pricks. How else do you _force_ a government to crumble, and actually make a change? Terrorism. That's how.
"D: YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM?"
Get that head out of Americas ass, and try to see each case individually. I'm sick of reminding people that during WW2, every. Single. Resistance fighter _technically_ constituted an "insurgent", and every. single. one. who ever planted a bomb - was a "terrorist".
The great thing of Mandela and others with him was that he managed to get some working structure in country after all it went through, after the whole history, and after the turning the system over. Him having been on the ANC, is part of why he could manage that.
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There are many who point out that he was a terrorist, and that he hurt people etc. I don't understand how that is news or shocking or changes anything.
I remember the same tendency back when I used to hang out with commie-party-youth, "Omg you guyez, did you know Che Guevara actually KILLED people!? I HATE HIM NOW!" yes you naive, useless pricks. How else do you _force_ a government to crumble, and actually make a change? Terrorism. That's how.
"D: YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM?"
Get that head out of Americas ass, and try to see each case individually. I'm sick of reminding people that during WW2, every. Single. Resistance fighter _technically_ constituted an "insurgent", and every. single. one. who ever planted a bomb - was a "terrorist".
The great thing of Mandela and others with him was that he managed to get some working structure in country after all it went through, after the whole history, and after the turning the system over. Him having been on the ANC, is part of why he could manage that.
Imho, Mandela got the best out of a very volatile situation. Look at Zimbabwe - ex Rhodesia. Things are much, much different there, with revenge-driven dictator Robert Mugabe
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There are many who point out that he was a terrorist, and that he hurt people etc. I don't understand how that is news or shocking or changes anything.
I remember the same tendency back when I used to hang out with commie-party-youth, "Omg you guyez, did you know Che Guevara actually KILLED people!? I HATE HIM NOW!" yes you naive, useless pricks. How else do you _force_ a government to crumble, and actually make a change? Terrorism. That's how.
"D: YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM?"
Get that head out of Americas ass, and try to see each case individually. I'm sick of reminding people that during WW2, every. Single. Resistance fighter _technically_ constituted an "insurgent", and every. single. one. who ever planted a bomb - was a "terrorist".
The great thing of Mandela and others with him was that he managed to get some working structure in country after all it went through, after the whole history, and after the turning the system over. Him having been on the ANC, is part of why he could manage that.
Imho, Mandela got the best out of a very volatile situation. Look at Zimbabwe - ex Rhodesia. Things are much, much different there, with revenge-driven dictator Robert Mugabe
Indeed. Terrifying, what he turned into. Poor people of Zimbabwe.
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Indeed. Terrifying, what he turned into. Poor people of Zimbabwe.
I saw a docu from Zimbabwe, about two farm-owners, an old man and his son - both white guys. They were in court in Namibia (because in Zimbabwe their case wouldn't be heard), because of forcible removal from their farm, as well as having been beaten up. The old man sat in court with bandages over his head, Zimbabwean goons sat across the room grinning - and everyone's black! Jury's black, prosecutors, judge, everyone black :D And people weeping!
Namibian court sided with the land-owners, and against the Zimbabwean government, and ordered them to return the farm to the father and son - something the Zimbabwean government ignored - as expected. Outside the courtroom, a tearful lawyer of the landowners said that this was one battle, in a long struggle for human rights in Zimbabwe.
So odd... like bizarroland - all switched around! :D
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Indeed. Terrifying, what he turned into. Poor people of Zimbabwe.
I saw a docu from Zimbabwe, about two farm-owners, an old man and his son - both white guys. They were in court in Namibia (because in Zimbabwe their case wouldn't be heard), because of forcible removal from their farm, as well as having been beaten up. The old man sat in court with bandages over his head, Zimbabwean goons sat across the room grinning - and everyone's black! Jury's black, prosecutors, judge, everyone black :D And people weeping!
Namibian court sided with the land-owners, and against the Zimbabwean government, and ordered them to return the farm to the father and son - something the Zimbabwean government ignored - as expected. Outside the courtroom, a tearful lawyer of the landowners said that this was one battle, in a long struggle for human rights in Zimbabwe.
So odd... like bizarroland - all switched around! :D
But, it is not switched around. Lots of the black population has it worse than they had when their country still was Rhodesia. Mugabe is a bigger control freak and anxiety wielder than a lovechild of the Romanian Securitate and the GDR Stasi could ever be.
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Indeed. Terrifying, what he turned into. Poor people of Zimbabwe.
I saw a docu from Zimbabwe, about two farm-owners, an old man and his son - both white guys. They were in court in Namibia (because in Zimbabwe their case wouldn't be heard), because of forcible removal from their farm, as well as having been beaten up. The old man sat in court with bandages over his head, Zimbabwean goons sat across the room grinning - and everyone's black! Jury's black, prosecutors, judge, everyone black :D And people weeping!
Namibian court sided with the land-owners, and against the Zimbabwean government, and ordered them to return the farm to the father and son - something the Zimbabwean government ignored - as expected. Outside the courtroom, a tearful lawyer of the landowners said that this was one battle, in a long struggle for human rights in Zimbabwe.
So odd... like bizarroland - all switched around! :D
But, it is not switched around. Lots of the black population has it worse than they had when their country still was Rhodesia. Mugabe is a bigger control freak and anxiety wielder than a lovechild of the Romanian Securitate and the GDR Stasi could ever be.
Yeah, I know the country as a whole is a shithole, but I was refering to the targeting of white land owners, to "repatriate" land (with idiotic consequences)
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Indeed. Terrifying, what he turned into. Poor people of Zimbabwe.
I saw a docu from Zimbabwe, about two farm-owners, an old man and his son - both white guys. They were in court in Namibia (because in Zimbabwe their case wouldn't be heard), because of forcible removal from their farm, as well as having been beaten up. The old man sat in court with bandages over his head, Zimbabwean goons sat across the room grinning - and everyone's black! Jury's black, prosecutors, judge, everyone black :D And people weeping!
Namibian court sided with the land-owners, and against the Zimbabwean government, and ordered them to return the farm to the father and son - something the Zimbabwean government ignored - as expected. Outside the courtroom, a tearful lawyer of the landowners said that this was one battle, in a long struggle for human rights in Zimbabwe.
So odd... like bizarroland - all switched around! :D
But, it is not switched around. Lots of the black population has it worse than they had when their country still was Rhodesia. Mugabe is a bigger control freak and anxiety wielder than a lovechild of the Romanian Securitate and the GDR Stasi could ever be.
Yeah, I know the country as a whole is a shithole, but I was refering to the targeting of white land owners, to "repatriate" land (with idiotic consequences)
:indeed:
And I was further elaborating on the poor people of Zimbabwe.
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I'm sorry I have to be such a grouch on this, guys. I do think that Nelson accomplished quite a bit of good. I also think that he tortured people to death in public in his younger days. I do not like how the media is casting him as a person who is identical in his achievements to Ghandi. The media is flat out lying here in America, portraying him as a jesus or something. I mean the guy actually lit people on fire in public. That is not the quality of some sort of perfect human being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing)
(His wife actually made a statement about burning people. Something about making the world a better place one match at a time or something. Pretty sure the ANC publically denounced this crap. If i'm wrong on that, correct me.)
I don't like lies. Why not celebrate the man for being a human being who managed to accomplish some good things along with some scary things? I know we shouldn't all sit in the darkest corner of the room, wringing our hands and feeling guilty about the worst things we've ever done. I'm just saying, lets live in reality.
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He was black. Ergo the media pretends that he was a saint.
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I dislike the way people tend to 'big up' people once they are dead. It happens a lot.
but that is not what is going on here.
Mandela was a hero figure to lots of people while he was alive. He didn't just win The Nobel Peace Prize - he had hundreds of honours.
The reason, i believe, for his global popularity comes from the fact that he was just a human being with flaws. He made mistakes but he came good. He did good.
His early life was full of fuck ups. He flunked a degree. He was also a bit of a ladies man. He put it about - a bit like JFK. He was connected with communism and then Marxism and he would also be known as a socialist. He was many things in his 95 years.
I think you must have got mixed up about the necklace thing. Mandela was no thug. He was a founder of the military wing of the ANC and he masterminded several sabotage attacks on government buildings. Bombings. They were all night time operations to avoid civilian casualties. He was jailed for this in 1962 and he had no contact with anyone whom he could organise more activities.
It was Winnie Mandela who is linked to those necklace murders. He learned she had become a leader of her own gang and about her violence while in prison. However, he did not divorce her until she was found guilty in court. He distanced himself from her, though and if you check on the dates of those murders you will see he was in prison anyway.
In prison he was a peaceful man. He entered as the lowest rank and just before his release he was staying in the warders house. Why? because he was well liked. He helped a lot of the angry uprising youth that were jailed after him. The rest is history. Made possible by him. No he wasn't a saint, or a mesiah, just a very ordinary man who accomplished some extraordinary stuff.
And he hugged the spice girls :tard:
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He was black. Ergo the media pretends that he was a saint.
DO not know about him being a saint, but a man of conviction, you can not deny.
Peaceful thinkers often come with blood on their coats and swords.
The blood on his coat was often his own. I say let him rest in peace. His sacrifices led to positive changes in an entire nation and some other possible beneficial outcomes across the globe, no matter his skin color.
... then we sit back and watch the revisionists re-write the history we actually lived through.
Besides, Tig, WTF are you on about with skin color again, Dude? :dunno:
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No, no, no, I just pointed out the fact that the media always treat minority people like they were saints, well except for people with a diagnosis that is.
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One fact is true: He would have been released sooner had it not been for the political pressure put forward by Thatcher and Regan.
Ha... I am so glad he outlived both of them and died in peace with the respect of many. :thumbup:
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One fact is true: He would have been released sooner had it not been for the political pressure put forward by Thatcher and Regan.
Ha... I am so glad he outlived both of them and died in peace with the respect of many. :thumbup:
:laugh:
That's a perspective I had not seen yet.
The whole discussion about ANC being allowed to use violence or not, I remember it from the 80-ies. Massive discussions between ANC students from South Africa and students with a very idyllic idea of how to reach peace. Can't imagine any new things popping up.
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Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.
She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.
Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher! :zoinks:
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Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.
She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.
Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher! :zoinks:
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Wonder what Thatcher thought about internal dialogue. I guess she was dead against it.
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:orly:
I wonder about poor Dennis ?
Was he told to be present on such a date and at such a time in order to produce 2 children
the mind boggles
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I wonder about poor Dennis ?
Was he told to be present on such a date and at such a time in order to produce 2 children
the mind boggles
For his sake, I hope it was test-tube impregnation. But who knows, maybe she was a tiger in bed.
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If she ever touched his private parts :zombiefuck: I bet she wore surgical gloves.
For that, he was probably grateful. I bet she had cold hands.
It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman. Real hate.
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If she ever touched his private parts :zombiefuck: I bet she wore surgical gloves.
For that, he was probably grateful. I bet she had cold hands.
It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman. Real hate.
I know,
I read "The Century's Daughter" by Pat Barker a while ago. It oozed Thatcher regime. Almost could smell it. Great book btw. I strongly recommend it.
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He was black. Ergo the media pretends that he was a saint.
DO not know about him being a saint, but a man of conviction, you can not deny.
Peaceful thinkers often come with blood on their coats and swords.
The blood on his coat was often his own. I say let him rest in peace. His sacrifices led to positive changes in an entire nation and some other possible beneficial outcomes across the globe, no matter his skin color.
... then we sit back and watch the revisionists re-write the history we actually lived through.
Besides, Tig, WTF are you on about with skin color again, Dude? :dunno:
Excactly. A 100% peaceful person may be able to bring about change in a fantasy world, but Mr. Mandela was definitely not spouting flowers and lambs. I'm tired of the lying media disillusioning the youth.
Again, I am not trying to say his achievements are invalid. I'm just saying telling the truth is better than lying.
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If she ever touched his private parts :zombiefuck: I bet she wore surgical gloves.
For that, he was probably grateful. I bet she had cold hands.
It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman. Real hate.
I know,
I read "The Century's Daughter" by Pat Barker a while ago. It oozed Thatcher regime. Almost could smell it. Great book btw. I strongly recommend it.
Did it cover the Bobby Sands and the dirty protest? also there was a woman who leaned into her car and said "you're a monster not a mother" while the TV camera's were filming. Was any of that in the book?
And did it show a caring, maternal side that perhaps I missed? :zoinks:
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I'm sorry I have to be such a grouch on this, guys. I do think that Nelson accomplished quite a bit of good. I also think that he tortured people to death in public in his younger days. I do not like how the media is casting him as a person who is identical in his achievements to Ghandi. The media is flat out lying here in America, portraying him as a jesus or something. I mean the guy actually lit people on fire in public. That is not the quality of some sort of perfect human being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing)
(His wife actually made a statement about burning people. Something about making the world a better place one match at a time or something. Pretty sure the ANC publically denounced this crap. If i'm wrong on that, correct me.)
I don't like lies. Why not celebrate the man for being a human being who managed to accomplish some good things along with some scary things? I know we shouldn't all sit in the darkest corner of the room, wringing our hands and feeling guilty about the worst things we've ever done. I'm just saying, lets live in reality.
Nelson Mandela himself did not set people on fire in public or torture people to death in public. His ex-wife Winnie is widely regarded as a nasty piece of work but what does that have to do with him? Yes, he did found the armed wing of the ANC, Umkhonto We Sizwe (MK), but this was in response to the Sharpeville massacre. Yes he did receive what would be regarded as 'terrorist' training but his involvement with MK involved attacks on infrastructure with the possibility of warfare later on. The worst excesses occurred while he was in prison and not involved with the ANC or MK.
He was a freedom fighter who was forced to use non-peaceful means but then again many other good men in history have been forced towards violence to fight an oppressor. To be honest though rage your first paragraph is big pile of bullshit. Who the hell told you that Mandela tortured people to death in public? The organisation he was part of did some incredibly fucked up shit but not Mandela himself. He wasn't a saint but he wasn't the monster you're making out either. As for Gandhi, well he was a sick little monkey as well when you do a little research, he was a racist prick in his younger years (coincidentally during time spent in South Africa). No man is perfect but could you at least tell the truth instead of wild slander?
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No, no, no, I just pointed out the fact that the media always treat minority people like they were saints, well except for people with a diagnosis that is.
I agree that the media shys away from discussing the flaws of people who happen to be from ethnic minorities.
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I think one of the most endearing things about him was his attitude upon release from prison. He did not seek any revenge or show bitterness. 27 years is a long stretch. Instead he seized the moment to make positive changes.
Instead of a vendetta against those that had jailed him and treated his people so badly, he was able to step over that mo fo and work with these people. Top bloke.
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If she ever touched his private parts :zombiefuck: I bet she wore surgical gloves.
For that, he was probably grateful. I bet she had cold hands.
It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman. Real hate.
I know,
I read "The Century's Daughter" by Pat Barker a while ago. It oozed Thatcher regime. Almost could smell it. Great book btw. I strongly recommend it.
Did it cover the Bobby Sands and the dirty protest? also there was a woman who leaned into her car and said "you're a monster not a mother" while the TV camera's were filming. Was any of that in the book?
And did it show a caring, maternal side that perhaps I missed? :zoinks:
It's about an old woman, born at the beginning of the twentieth century. She lives in a house that is rotting away, and on the list to be torn down. You get her history, two world wars, poverty, hopes and hopes going to pieces. And there is the story of a social worker, who should talk her out of her house, but, he just can't. It's set in the time where Thatcher already ruined an awful lot. Very grim, very well written. Both very raw, and with tenderness for the vulnerable misfits of main personas.
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I think one of the most endearing things about him was his attitude upon release from prison. He did not seek any revenge or show bitterness. 27 years is a long stretch. Instead he seized the moment to make positive changes.
Instead of a vendetta against those that had jailed him and treated his people so badly, he was able to step over that mo fo and work with these people. Top bloke.
And that he had been armed, and in the midst of the struggle will have been part of why his vision was accepted. He knew what he was talking about.
Top bloke indeed. South-Africa has been blessed with a few more people like him, able to go for the new, without denying the past, but without the need to endless revenge too. It could so easily have gone different.
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If she ever touched his private parts :zombiefuck: I bet she wore surgical gloves.
For that, he was probably grateful. I bet she had cold hands.
It may be a surprise but I really really hated that woman. Real hate.
I know,
I read "The Century's Daughter" by Pat Barker a while ago. It oozed Thatcher regime. Almost could smell it. Great book btw. I strongly recommend it.
Did it cover the Bobby Sands and the dirty protest? also there was a woman who leaned into her car and said "you're a monster not a mother" while the TV camera's were filming. Was any of that in the book?
And did it show a caring, maternal side that perhaps I missed? :zoinks:
It's about an old woman, born at the beginning of the twentieth century. She lives in a house that is rotting away, and on the list to be torn down. You get her history, two world wars, poverty, hopes and hopes going to pieces. And there is the story of a social worker, who should talk her out of her house, but, he just can't. It's set in the time where Thatcher already ruined an awful lot. Very grim, very well written. Both very raw, and with tenderness for the vulnerable misfits of main personas.
Ah I see now. I thought it was about Thatchers life! My mistake. I wonder if it is available online, i like books like that. :thumbup:
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I think one of the most endearing things about him was his attitude upon release from prison. He did not seek any revenge or show bitterness. 27 years is a long stretch. Instead he seized the moment to make positive changes.
Instead of a vendetta against those that had jailed him and treated his people so badly, he was able to step over that mo fo and work with these people. Top bloke.
And that he had been armed, and in the midst of the struggle will have been part of why his vision was accepted. He knew what he was talking about.
Top bloke indeed. South-Africa has been blessed with a few more people like him, able to go for the new, without denying the past, but without the need to endless revenge too. It could so easily have gone different.
Also the way he made use of his time in prison. He used his time effectively. When he wasn't slogging away at quarry rocks. He studied. He wrote letters. He forged friendships even with those who held him. He was resolute and focused. He did not despair.
His spirit was never broken and somehow he emerged a better man.
Then, a man in his seventies propelled into political service. I think he was President for about five years. Maybe even more. It was a job well done. What an amazing life? To struggle and persevere and actually be rewarded like that?
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I'm sorry I have to be such a grouch on this, guys. I do think that Nelson accomplished quite a bit of good. I also think that he tortured people to death in public in his younger days. I do not like how the media is casting him as a person who is identical in his achievements to Ghandi. The media is flat out lying here in America, portraying him as a jesus or something. I mean the guy actually lit people on fire in public. That is not the quality of some sort of perfect human being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing)
(His wife actually made a statement about burning people. Something about making the world a better place one match at a time or something. Pretty sure the ANC publically denounced this crap. If i'm wrong on that, correct me.)
I don't like lies. Why not celebrate the man for being a human being who managed to accomplish some good things along with some scary things? I know we shouldn't all sit in the darkest corner of the room, wringing our hands and feeling guilty about the worst things we've ever done. I'm just saying, lets live in reality.
Nelson Mandela himself did not set people on fire in public or torture people to death in public. His ex-wife Winnie is widely regarded as a nasty piece of work but what does that have to do with him? Yes, he did found the armed wing of the ANC, Umkhonto We Sizwe (MK), but this was in response to the Sharpeville massacre. Yes he did receive what would be regarded as 'terrorist' training but his involvement with MK involved attacks on infrastructure with the possibility of warfare later on. The worst excesses occurred while he was in prison and not involved with the ANC or MK.
He was a freedom fighter who was forced to use non-peaceful means but then again many other good men in history have been forced towards violence to fight an oppressor. To be honest though rage your first paragraph is big pile of bullshit. Who the hell told you that Mandela tortured people to death in public? The organisation he was part of did some incredibly fucked up shit but not Mandela himself. He wasn't a saint but he wasn't the monster you're making out either. As for Gandhi, well he was a sick little monkey as well when you do a little research, he was a racist prick in his younger years (coincidentally during time spent in South Africa). No man is perfect but could you at least tell the truth instead of wild slander?
Okay so that was only his wife, and perhaps he had nothing to do with her saying that. But he still used violence. The news is LYING, and giving the youth a false view of what someone who fights for freedom actually does. I'm not saying i'm against what the guy did. I'm saying the way the media an even the president is portraying him REALLY bugs me. Just watch, in a few months people will be saying to their children:
"Now you eat your veggies and follow the rules and one day you'll grow up and teach people how to be peaceful, just like Nelson Mandela and Jesus, honey!"
Cm'on. That's not realistic at all, and everyone knows it. We CAN handle the truth!
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We CAN handle the truth!
We should, anyway.
Like I meantioned earlyer in this thread - even as a teen I would be baffled at the bafflement of my peers, when they thought that their hero Che Guevara had "betrayed them" by shooting people. Shooting people - IN GENERAL - as in, during battle!
What. Did. They. Expect?
I mean, my assumption was ALWAYS that someone like Che Guevara had to shoot people now and then - hell - even shoot a lot of people! It was war! They were engaged in battles! These were also the ages of US-sponsored dictatorships across Latin America. If Rage is angry at US gvt now - imagine how angry latinamericans were at US influence - and US backed dictatorships back then... :D
It pissed me off! If they're gonna have posters of him in their room - don't get surprised after YEARS of idol-worship, to discover "OH MY GOD - he fought wars in Africa! I thought he was Cuban!" he wasn't Cuban either, you ignorant pissnecks.
I think Che Guevara was a decent feller. Shooting people and all. That's to be expected from an armed revolutionary.
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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
I remember vaguely some stuff on the news about the townships and the terrible discrimination. The situation was abysmal. Peaceful protest against apartheid didn't work. The cause to take arms was as noble as any.
No need to gloss over or sugar coat the fact he was responsible for the formation of a military wing of the ANC. It doesn't matter to me.
The media have a habit of doing the saint thing...look at Princess Diana. It is annoying because people get swayed by that shit but the truth is out there for anyone who wants to dig around.
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On a side note - notice that I say "people" :D
I don't like this categorization of people when it comes to war. I know why - I agree with the necesity of it - in practice - at the time! The practical reason is to minimize destruction! We separate combatant from civilian, so to spare the majority of the population (which are civilians)
I feel so sorry for the soldiers of the Iraqi army, for example. What... what on earth... did they do... to deserve such an early death? They're all in graves now :S
Why?
I know why, I'm being rethorical of course - but people were so fine with it! If they react - it is when innocent civilians come under fire - but why is it okay to slaughter defending draftees? Some just-turned 19 Hassan-or-whatever, with his uniform, his mother telling him how handsome he looks, patting his cheek - bam - invasion - bam - WAR
Then words like "insurgent", as if they are something-other-than-human.
Even the definition is murky as hell - "Insurgents! Neither soldier nor civilian!" whaaaaat? So... they're crab-people then wtf are they!? They're LADS! They're just dudes defending their mothers and sisters - yes - mothers and sisters - it's not even about "my country!" anymore when the enemy has landed IN YOUR CITY, and you see houses explode!
I try to imagine what I would think if some foreign country landed here, and begun to blow shit up for political reasons, seeing people on tv going "well, we TRY to minimize collateral damage!", in my mind politics could go take a long fucking hike, and my 2 sisters, my brother, my mother, her dog, my dads dog, stepmother, they'd ALL be on my mind, and I would be terrified for them! Not for "Norway", not for "Democracy" but for those I love! Knowing my dad, he would turn from pacifist to a hunter-of-men in a day :D
little derailment there, but it's been gnawing on me how lightly people take these concepts, "insurgent" "collateral damage" "minimum casualties" "targeting only uniformed combatants PHEW!"
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No, no, no, I just pointed out the fact that the media always treat minority people like they were saints, well except for people with a diagnosis that is.
They don't *always*.
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Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.
She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.
Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher! :zoinks:
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We CAN handle the truth!
We should, anyway.
Like I meantioned earlyer in this thread - even as a teen I would be baffled at the bafflement of my peers, when they thought that their hero Che Guevara had "betrayed them" by shooting people. Shooting people - IN GENERAL - as in, during battle!
What. Did. They. Expect?
I mean, my assumption was ALWAYS that someone like Che Guevara had to shoot people now and then - hell - even shoot a lot of people! It was war! They were engaged in battles! These were also the ages of US-sponsored dictatorships across Latin America. If Rage is angry at US gvt now - imagine how angry latinamericans were at US influence - and US backed dictatorships back then... :D
It pissed me off! If they're gonna have posters of him in their room - don't get surprised after YEARS of idol-worship, to discover "OH MY GOD - he fought wars in Africa! I thought he was Cuban!" he wasn't Cuban either, you ignorant pissnecks.
I think Che Guevara was a decent feller. Shooting people and all. That's to be expected from an armed revolutionary.
I always assumed the same. In my mind a freedom fighter had to fight!
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Mandela was more clever about it than most, though. No saint, but a really smart man. He is certainly worthy of being honoured now that he is gone.
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Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.
She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.
Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher! :zoinks:
(http://www.newsbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/353-thatcher-resurrection.jpg)
:trollface:
That belongs on a dartboard :GA:
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Thatcher famously 'did not negotiate with terrorists' which is why she failed at making any peace in Northern Ireland.
She was either too up herself or not wise enough to see the bigger picture.
Ooooh don't get me started on Thatcher! :zoinks:
(http://www.newsbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/353-thatcher-resurrection.jpg)
:trollface:
That belongs on a dartboard :GA:
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This is apparently a real product.
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If there is a hell we know where the bitch is now :thumbup:
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I'm sorry I have to be such a grouch on this, guys. I do think that Nelson accomplished quite a bit of good. I also think that he tortured people to death in public in his younger days. I do not like how the media is casting him as a person who is identical in his achievements to Ghandi. The media is flat out lying here in America, portraying him as a jesus or something. I mean the guy actually lit people on fire in public. That is not the quality of some sort of perfect human being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing)
(His wife actually made a statement about burning people. Something about making the world a better place one match at a time or something. Pretty sure the ANC publically denounced this crap. If i'm wrong on that, correct me.)
I don't like lies. Why not celebrate the man for being a human being who managed to accomplish some good things along with some scary things? I know we shouldn't all sit in the darkest corner of the room, wringing our hands and feeling guilty about the worst things we've ever done. I'm just saying, lets live in reality.
Nelson Mandela himself did not set people on fire in public or torture people to death in public. His ex-wife Winnie is widely regarded as a nasty piece of work but what does that have to do with him? Yes, he did found the armed wing of the ANC, Umkhonto We Sizwe (MK), but this was in response to the Sharpeville massacre. Yes he did receive what would be regarded as 'terrorist' training but his involvement with MK involved attacks on infrastructure with the possibility of warfare later on. The worst excesses occurred while he was in prison and not involved with the ANC or MK.
He was a freedom fighter who was forced to use non-peaceful means but then again many other good men in history have been forced towards violence to fight an oppressor. To be honest though rage your first paragraph is big pile of bullshit. Who the hell told you that Mandela tortured people to death in public? The organisation he was part of did some incredibly fucked up shit but not Mandela himself. He wasn't a saint but he wasn't the monster you're making out either. As for Gandhi, well he was a sick little monkey as well when you do a little research, he was a racist prick in his younger years (coincidentally during time spent in South Africa). No man is perfect but could you at least tell the truth instead of wild slander?
Okay so that was only his wife, and perhaps he had nothing to do with her saying that. But he still used violence. The news is LYING, and giving the youth a false view of what someone who fights for freedom actually does. I'm not saying i'm against what the guy did. I'm saying the way the media an even the president is portraying him REALLY bugs me. Just watch, in a few months people will be saying to their children:
"Now you eat your veggies and follow the rules and one day you'll grow up and teach people how to be peaceful, just like Nelson Mandela and Jesus, honey!"
Cm'on. That's not realistic at all, and everyone knows it. We CAN handle the truth!
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That says more about the news you get than about Mandela.
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I'm sorry I have to be such a grouch on this, guys. I do think that Nelson accomplished quite a bit of good. I also think that he tortured people to death in public in his younger days. I do not like how the media is casting him as a person who is identical in his achievements to Ghandi. The media is flat out lying here in America, portraying him as a jesus or something. I mean the guy actually lit people on fire in public. That is not the quality of some sort of perfect human being.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing)
(His wife actually made a statement about burning people. Something about making the world a better place one match at a time or something. Pretty sure the ANC publically denounced this crap. If i'm wrong on that, correct me.)
I don't like lies. Why not celebrate the man for being a human being who managed to accomplish some good things along with some scary things? I know we shouldn't all sit in the darkest corner of the room, wringing our hands and feeling guilty about the worst things we've ever done. I'm just saying, lets live in reality.
Nelson Mandela himself did not set people on fire in public or torture people to death in public. His ex-wife Winnie is widely regarded as a nasty piece of work but what does that have to do with him? Yes, he did found the armed wing of the ANC, Umkhonto We Sizwe (MK), but this was in response to the Sharpeville massacre. Yes he did receive what would be regarded as 'terrorist' training but his involvement with MK involved attacks on infrastructure with the possibility of warfare later on. The worst excesses occurred while he was in prison and not involved with the ANC or MK.
He was a freedom fighter who was forced to use non-peaceful means but then again many other good men in history have been forced towards violence to fight an oppressor. To be honest though rage your first paragraph is big pile of bullshit. Who the hell told you that Mandela tortured people to death in public? The organisation he was part of did some incredibly fucked up shit but not Mandela himself. He wasn't a saint but he wasn't the monster you're making out either. As for Gandhi, well he was a sick little monkey as well when you do a little research, he was a racist prick in his younger years (coincidentally during time spent in South Africa). No man is perfect but could you at least tell the truth instead of wild slander?
Okay so that was only his wife, and perhaps he had nothing to do with her saying that. But he still used violence. The news is LYING, and giving the youth a false view of what someone who fights for freedom actually does. I'm not saying i'm against what the guy did. I'm saying the way the media an even the president is portraying him REALLY bugs me. Just watch, in a few months people will be saying to their children:
"Now you eat your veggies and follow the rules and one day you'll grow up and teach people how to be peaceful, just like Nelson Mandela and Jesus, honey!"
Cm'on. That's not realistic at all, and everyone knows it. We CAN handle the truth!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWti874dxIcFVeadUCpZRUuBLQgjNFBK2Pzq5dFNwcs2VpzOXN)
That says more about the news you get than about Mandela.
Yeah it does, actually. Maybe i'm just griping to the wrong crowd. Most of you guys aren't from my country so you probably don't understand how idiotic the flow of information is here.
Sorry for yelling. :lol1:
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We CAN handle the truth!
We should, anyway.
Like I meantioned earlyer in this thread - even as a teen I would be baffled at the bafflement of my peers, when they thought that their hero Che Guevara had "betrayed them" by shooting people. Shooting people - IN GENERAL - as in, during battle!
What. Did. They. Expect?
I mean, my assumption was ALWAYS that someone like Che Guevara had to shoot people now and then - hell - even shoot a lot of people! It was war! They were engaged in battles! These were also the ages of US-sponsored dictatorships across Latin America. If Rage is angry at US gvt now - imagine how angry latinamericans were at US influence - and US backed dictatorships back then... :D
It pissed me off! If they're gonna have posters of him in their room - don't get surprised after YEARS of idol-worship, to discover "OH MY GOD - he fought wars in Africa! I thought he was Cuban!" he wasn't Cuban either, you ignorant pissnecks.
I think Che Guevara was a decent feller. Shooting people and all. That's to be expected from an armed revolutionary.
I always assumed the same. In my mind a freedom fighter had to fight!
Yes. And a lot of times that means one has to resort to violence. I guess the thing that's really pissing me off(which I've not had the communication skills to get across), is that a freedom fighter is being illustrated as a teddy bear and the personification of bambi and the little mermaid combined in one body.
Dude. No. Stop telling the kids that kind of stuff, media. That is highly damaging, in my opinion.
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We CAN handle the truth!
We should, anyway.
Like I meantioned earlyer in this thread - even as a teen I would be baffled at the bafflement of my peers, when they thought that their hero Che Guevara had "betrayed them" by shooting people. Shooting people - IN GENERAL - as in, during battle!
What. Did. They. Expect?
I mean, my assumption was ALWAYS that someone like Che Guevara had to shoot people now and then - hell - even shoot a lot of people! It was war! They were engaged in battles! These were also the ages of US-sponsored dictatorships across Latin America. If Rage is angry at US gvt now - imagine how angry latinamericans were at US influence - and US backed dictatorships back then... :D
It pissed me off! If they're gonna have posters of him in their room - don't get surprised after YEARS of idol-worship, to discover "OH MY GOD - he fought wars in Africa! I thought he was Cuban!" he wasn't Cuban either, you ignorant pissnecks.
I think Che Guevara was a decent feller. Shooting people and all. That's to be expected from an armed revolutionary.
I always assumed the same. In my mind a freedom fighter had to fight!
Yes. And a lot of times that means one has to resort to violence. I guess the thing that's really pissing me off(which I've not had the communication skills to get across), is that a freedom fighter is being illustrated as a teddy bear and the personification of bambi and the little mermaid combined in one body.
Dude. No. Stop telling the kids that kind of stuff, media. That is highly damaging, in my opinion.
I agree with you there. Madiba should be remembered as a strong man who fought oppression.
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We CAN handle the truth!
We should, anyway.
Like I meantioned earlyer in this thread - even as a teen I would be baffled at the bafflement of my peers, when they thought that their hero Che Guevara had "betrayed them" by shooting people. Shooting people - IN GENERAL - as in, during battle!
What. Did. They. Expect?
I mean, my assumption was ALWAYS that someone like Che Guevara had to shoot people now and then - hell - even shoot a lot of people! It was war! They were engaged in battles! These were also the ages of US-sponsored dictatorships across Latin America. If Rage is angry at US gvt now - imagine how angry latinamericans were at US influence - and US backed dictatorships back then... :D
It pissed me off! If they're gonna have posters of him in their room - don't get surprised after YEARS of idol-worship, to discover "OH MY GOD - he fought wars in Africa! I thought he was Cuban!" he wasn't Cuban either, you ignorant pissnecks.
I think Che Guevara was a decent feller. Shooting people and all. That's to be expected from an armed revolutionary.
I always assumed the same. In my mind a freedom fighter had to fight!
Yes. And a lot of times that means one has to resort to violence. I guess the thing that's really pissing me off(which I've not had the communication skills to get across), is that a freedom fighter is being illustrated as a teddy bear and the personification of bambi and the little mermaid combined in one body.
Dude. No. Stop telling the kids that kind of stuff, media. That is highly damaging, in my opinion.
I agree with you there. Madiba should be remembered as a strong man who fought oppression.
Well, aside from bastardising his memory which is already a bad thing, it kind of indoctrinated youth with a false concept of reality. I'm not going to say that's intentional, although it probably is.
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Here is a list of just SOME of the laws passed in South Africa.
Masters and Servants Acts of 1856
These Acts, which had been passed between 1856 and 1904 in the four territories, remained in force after Union.
They made it a criminal offence to breach the contract of employment. Desertion, insolence, drunkenness,
negligence and strikes were also criminal offences. Theoretically these laws applied to all races,
but the courts held that the laws were applicable only to unskilled work, which was performed mostly by Black people.
Black Land Act No 27 of 19 June 1913
Prohibited Blacks from owning or renting land outside designated reserves
(approximately 7 per cent of land in the country). Commenced: 19 June 1913.
The Class Areas Bill of 1923
which proposes compulsory residential and trading segregation for Indians throughout South Africa.
The Industrial Conciliation Act No 11 of 1924
This act provides for job reservation. Excluded Blacks from membership of registered trade unions and
prohibited registration of Black trade unions. Commenced: 8 April 1924.
The Areas Reservation and Immigration and Registration (Further Provision) Bill 1925
It defines Indians as aliens and recommends limitation of population through repatriation.
The Liquor Act of 1927
Africans and Indians are denied employment by license holders and are not allowed to serve liquor and drive liquor vans.
They are also denied access to licensed premises.
The Native Service Contracts Act of 1932
This meant that a farmer could expel the entire tenant family if any one member defaulted on his or her
labour obligation. The Act had additional elements allowing for farmers to whip tenants,
as well as compel farm tenants to carry passes.
Representation of Blacks Act No 12 of 1936
Removed Black voters in the Cape from the common roll and placed them on a separate roll.
The Aliens Act No 1 of 1937
Restricted and regulated the entry of certain aliens into the Union
and regulated the right of any person to assume a surname.
The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act, Act No 55 of 1949
Immorality Amendment Act, Act No 21 of 1950
It prohibited adultery, attempted adultery or related ‘immoral'
acts such as sexual intercourse between White and Black people.
The Bantu Authorities Act, Act No 68 of 1951
The government introduced this Act by setting up Black ethnic governments known as “Homelands”.
The government used this Act to push Black people out of urban areas to stay in these homelands.
Public Safety Act of 1953
for the detention without trial for any dissent.
Bantu Homelands Citizens Act of 1970
No Black person will eventually qualify [for South African nationality and the right to work or live in South Africa]
because they will all be aliens, and as such, will only be able to occupy the houses bequeathed to them by their
fathers, in the urban areas, by special permission of the Minister.
Police Act No 16 of 1979
Granted the police further powers with regard to search and seizure. Commenced: 3 August 1979.
Fucked up or what? Who could blame an uprising.
I just don't understand why it appealed to so many 'white' people to live there?
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No I agree. That was fucked up and needed to be stood up to. What I disagree with is giving youth a false concept of how that happened. Nelson didn't stand up to that bullying by hugging the spice girls, he did it with harsh, and often violent actions.
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Sanitising and emasculating historical figures is often done. Thomas Edison was an utter cunt for example whose inventing skills paled in comparison to his much less well known but vastly more brilliant contemporary Nikola Tesla. In another example Abraham Lincoln was actually a massive racist yet both of these men are portrayed as God like figures when educating American children.
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Lincoln was a real piece of shit. He just wanted to force the southern states back into the Union again.
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Sanitising and emasculating historical figures is often done. Thomas Edison was an utter cunt for example whose inventing skills paled in comparison to his much less well known but vastly more brilliant contemporary Nikola Tesla. In another example Abraham Lincoln was actually a massive racist yet both of these men are portrayed as God like figures when educating American children.
Yes, and I hate that. I myself was taught that Columbus discovered America for example. It took me forever to unlearn a lot of the bullshit I was indoctrinated with as a child and a young teen. Purposeful undermining of our history is a serious threat to our development as a species, in my opinion.
I really, REALLY hate that.
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I was about to say, Rage, you might be preaching to the choir here ;]
Mandela should be someone you wanted to advertise, someone who would not back down from the opressive government, who took his jail time like a man AND emerged the ruler of that nation. Damn :D
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I was about to say, Rage, you might be preaching to the choir here ;]
Mandela should be someone you wanted to advertise, someone who would not back down from the opressive government, who took his jail time like a man AND emerged the ruler of that nation. Damn :D
He is. Just not in the way the media is doing it. Nelson's life was not a fucking episode of my little pony. :lol1:
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Pony? :orly:
But you can't say to the sheeple that his wife ordered people to be burned alive. That doesn't fit into the sheeple's view of the world.
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Pony? :orly:
But you can't say to the sheeple that his wife ordered people to be burned alive. That doesn't fit into the sheeple's view of the world.
Oh, the majority always have to have religious worship, even if they claim to be atheists. They're placing large amounts of blind faith in something.
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I was about to say, Rage, you might be preaching to the choir here ;]
Mandela should be someone you wanted to advertise, someone who would not back down from the opressive government, who took his jail time like a man AND emerged the ruler of that nation. Damn :D
He is. Just not in the way the media is doing it. Nelson's life was not a fucking episode of my little pony. :lol1:
People classify people in "genres", my mother is a case example.
She knows how atheistic I am, but she believes (yes, believes) that a lot of hippie new age stuff can count as science. Cus her Danish book of hand-healing told her so.
ANYWAY
She does this, the other day talked about Jesus - as a "spiritually enlightened man", as if that could count as science. I've long since stopped arguing. She expanded the list very readily, to include
Jesus
Gandhi
Dalai Lama
and Mandela.
Why?
Cus these are the people, advertised, people know them. Why was Che Guevara ommited? Probably cus he is a political fighter, and politics arent "spiritual" or something. Why Mandela then? Cus he made the list!
And that Absolute-Monarchist would-be dictator Dalai Lama :D
He can hug children all he likes, he is still promoting a governmental system of Theocratical Monarchy! :D China is doing the millions of Tibetan population a huge favor :D
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If there is a hell we know where the bitch is now :thumbup:
Chatting with Reagan?
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:agreed: :indeed:
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Ok, this is annoying
A very large Dr's practice here in Birmingham has been renamed 'The Nelson Mandela Health and Well being Centre'
Why? did he ever go there.... nope
and
We have a revamped Central Library and can you guess what they are wanting to call it?
Why? why? why?
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If there is a hell we know where the bitch is now :thumbup:
Chatting with Reagan?
Rimming with Reagan and sucking the cocks of lepers :M
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Ok, this is annoying
A very large Dr's practice here in Birmingham has been renamed 'The Nelson Mandela Health and Well being Centre'
Why? did he ever go there.... nope
and
We have a revamped Central Library and can you guess what they are wanting to call it?
Why? why? why?
Now that's just silly. I don't get it at all.
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Ok, this is annoying
A very large Dr's practice here in Birmingham has been renamed 'The Nelson Mandela Health and Well being Centre'
Why? did he ever go there.... nope
and
We have a revamped Central Library and can you guess what they are wanting to call it?
Why? why? why?
See? Exactly what i'm talking about.
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I am glad they haven't done anything like that over here. It is cringe-worthy.
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It is considering there are plenty of people from Birmingham who actively promote the city and work hard for the benefit of it's residents.
Also Tolkein was from Birmingham. His works are commonly read in schools around here. I think it would be more fitting to name the central library after him.
Or even just Birmingham Central Library would do.
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The Margret Thatcher Central Library.
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That is unthinkable!
You wicked wicked man. :o
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;D
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The Margret Thatcher Central Library.
:trollface:
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The Margret Thatcher Central Library.
:trollface:
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The Obama Central Library?
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The Margret Thatcher Central Library.
:trollface:
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The Obama Central Library?
What you just said gave me anal cancer.
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It's just a name. :angel:
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Baraq o bama means lightning from heaven in Hebrew I think.
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Obama Memorial Central Library, then. :trollface:
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O'Bummer is nothing compared with Caesar :M
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Quite the contrary. Obama is alive. :M
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Obama has done a hell of a job fooling everyone into thinking they're pissed off about "the corporations" while throwing their money at the feet of corporate American and international interest. He's done a great job in promising change and many other things, breaking ALL of them, and getting re-elected.
He's actually pretty good at it, Lit.
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Obama has done a hell of a job fooling everyone into thinking they're pissed off about "the corporations" while throwing their money at the feet of corporate American and international interest. He's done a great job in promising change and many other things, breaking ALL of them, and getting re-elected.
He's actually pretty good at it, Lit.
Indeed. He promulgates his lies and bullshit very effectively. His puppet masters have made him a very effective smoke screen.
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
It will probably be filled with fiction anyway. :M
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
It will probably be filled with fiction anyway. :M
You book-hater you. :M
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
It will probably be filled with fiction anyway. :M
You book-hater you. :M
Only the pretend ones. :M
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
It will probably be filled with fiction anyway. :M
You book-hater you. :M
Only the pretend ones. :M
Fiction books exist. :M
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
It will probably be filled with fiction anyway. :M
You book-hater you. :M
Only the pretend ones. :M
Fiction books exist. :M
Can't top that. :M
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You two won't ever get a library card at the Obama Memorial Central Library. :M
It will probably be filled with fiction anyway. :M
You book-hater you. :M
Only the pretend ones. :M
Fiction books exist. :M
Can't top that. :M
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Not really sure what that means.
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Not really sure what that means.
It comes from a comment that Bill O'Reilly made when debating an atheist about creationism. He said that atheism must be wrong because atheism couldn't explain why the tides happen on a regular basis. :facepalm2:
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What a complete moron.
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Morons can be very good for bringing postcounts up.
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They can indeed. This one is an example of contraceptives gone wrong, though.
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Looks more like a case of thinking: "contraceptives are wrong".
Bad thinking that was.
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Well, that too, but I think Mr O'Reilly demonstrates perfectly the dangers of mindlessly producing children. Or producing mindless children, for that matter, because mindless children grow up to be mindless adults.
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mindlessly producing children. Or producing mindless children
It often coincides.
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mindlessly producing children. Or producing mindless children
It often coincides.
Yes. They ought to license parenting.
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mindlessly producing children. Or producing mindless children
It often coincides.
Yes. They ought to license parenting.
I have congenital dysplasia of the hip, my ex comes from a family with herniated backs. Had we been dogs, no one would have combined us. So, I think we would not have gotten a license to get kids, if a license was needed.
And that was before knowing about developmental disorders.
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mindlessly producing children. Or producing mindless children
It often coincides.
Yes. They ought to license parenting.
I have congenital dysplasia of the hip, my ex comes from a family with herniated backs. Had we been dogs, no one would have combined us. So, I think we would not have gotten a license to get kids, if a license was needed.
And that was before knowing about developmental disorders.
I was thinking about the mindless parents. Pretty sure you aren't that.
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mindlessly producing children. Or producing mindless children
It often coincides.
Yes. They ought to license parenting.
I have congenital dysplasia of the hip, my ex comes from a family with herniated backs. Had we been dogs, no one would have combined us. So, I think we would not have gotten a license to get kids, if a license was needed.
And that was before knowing about developmental disorders.
I was thinking about the mindless parents. Pretty sure you aren't that.
Thank you. :)
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
And everything on teh interwebz is true.
You people have problems.
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You people have problems.
Some don't even watch that crap. :M
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
And everything on teh interwebz is true.
You people have problems.
Did it take you this long to notice? :GA:
You people have problems.
Some don't even watch that crap. :M
Some watch it for :lol1:.
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
And everything on teh interwebz is true.
You people have problems.
Did it take you this long to notice? :GA:
You people have problems.
Some don't even watch that crap. :M
Some watch it for :lol1:.
That's your story now, I'm sure. :zoinks:
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
And everything on teh interwebz is true.
You people have problems.
Did it take you this long to notice? :GA:
You people have problems.
Some don't even watch that crap. :M
Some watch it for :lol1:.
That's your story now, I'm sure. :zoinks:
How do you know so much about the Daily Mail? :zoinks:
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
And everything on teh interwebz is true.
You people have problems.
Did it take you this long to notice? :GA:
You people have problems.
Some don't even watch that crap. :M
Some watch it for :lol1:.
That's your story now, I'm sure. :zoinks:
How do you know so much about the Daily Mail? :zoinks:
It is a trusted source. :M
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What a complete moron.
Apparently, he's the second-most trusted commentator in America. After Rush Limbaugh. :(
Link (http://www.imao.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/media_project_poll_info.pdf)
You'll notice that the respondents of this survey were selected based on geography, not population. :zoinks:
And everything on teh interwebz is true.
You people have problems.
Did it take you this long to notice? :GA:
You people have problems.
Some don't even watch that crap. :M
Some watch it for :lol1:.
That's your story now, I'm sure. :zoinks:
How do you know so much about the Daily Mail? :zoinks:
It is a trusted source. :M
It's nice to know what teachers are doing to housing prices and how the immigrants are to blame. :zoinks:
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What a complete moron.
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What a complete moron.
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a135/Draugen/memes-bill-oreilly-on-memes.jpg)
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Not a lot that he can explain, is there?
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Bible says one thing, means another
can't explain that
Bill O'Reilly vs The Bible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8roX4Y85E_4#ws)
No seriously. You can't.