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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Parts on June 05, 2013, 07:05:43 PM
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."
Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.
The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.
Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:
“adly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/federal-judge-accused-saying-minorities-predisposed-commit-violent-184459813.html)
No bias there :zombiefuck:
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Im a minority. I dont smoke or drink and have no criminal record. :angel:
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Jews are more likely to loan you money for interest?
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She is right about the preponderance of violent crime being greater in some groups than others. Pretending that things are different does not alter the reality of the situation. http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html) In other shocking news males are more likely to commit murder or other violent crimes than are females. As a male I could choose to take offense about that. I choose not too.
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What are the percentage of minorities in Texas as opposed to whites? I don't care if it is true. I can handle the truth. I won't bawww about it. I don't know enough to make a judgment either way.
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What are the percentage of minorities in Texas as opposed to whites? I don't care if it is true. I can handle the truth. I won't bawww about it. I don't know enough to make a judgment either way.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html)
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What are the percentage of minorities in Texas as opposed to whites? I don't care if it is true. I can handle the truth. I won't bawww about it. I don't know enough to make a judgment either way.
I was not pointing a finger at you in my other post. I know from past experience here @ I2 that some facts appear to be less popular than other facts.
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Will she get kicked as a judge? In Europe she would have been gone the same day she said it.
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Will she get kicked as a judge? In Europe she would have been gone the same day she said it.
Most likely.
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Statistically correct or not not a very wise thing for a federal judge to say in a speech. She also likes the death penalty because it helps the executed person make peace with god
“a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,”
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Statistically correct or not not a very wise thing for a federal judge to say in a speech. She also likes the death penalty because it helps the executed person make peace with god
“a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,”
:facepalm2:
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I favor the death penalty because scum like Edmund Kemper, Arthur Shawcross, Kenneth McDuff, Robert Alton Harris and William Spengler are unable to kill again once they are dead. Everyone of them killed, were released, and killed again. As it stands numerous scum like that have been released to murder again. Joran van der Sloot will be able to kill again when he is released from that prison in Peru since he will only be in his mid 50s. Valerie Moore was convicted of 2nd degree murder in 1987 in Washoe County District Court. In late 2006 at age 47 she set fire to the Mizpah Hotel in Reno and killed 6 more people.
Pedro Lopez was saved from being executed by a local tribe in Peru by a kind hearted missionary who talked the Indians into releasing him to the local police. That kindness resulted in over 100 additional murders. Lopez was convicted of numerous murders after showing the police the remains of 54 victims. Still the kind hearted authorities released him in 1998 after he was declared sane when he was 50 years old. As of 2002 there was an Interpol advisory out to rearrest him for another murder. Good thing that kind hearted Missionary talked those Indians out of killing Lopez in 1978. What Would Jesus Do? :angel:
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Parts I am in a cranky mood today. Sorry if that comes across like a personal attack.
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She is right about the preponderance of violent crime being greater in some groups than others. Pretending that things are different does not alter the reality of the situation. http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html) In other shocking news males are more likely to commit murder or other violent crimes than are females. As a male I could choose to take offense about that. I choose not too.
im sure that socio-economic conditions play a vital role in this.
I'm sure its not simple skin color.
India has a caste system. Most all are the same majority. But I bet that violent crimes happen much more in the slums....probably nearly exclusively.
I think that white collar crimes should be prosecuted just s fervently as violent crimes.
She should be kicked of the bench. S she is supposed to be impartial, these stats should mean nothing to her, let alone come out of her mouth.
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I favor the death penalty because scum like Edmund Kemper, Arthur Shawcross, Kenneth McDuff, Robert Alton Harris and William Spengler are unable to kill again once they are dead. Everyone of them killed, were released, and killed again. As it stands numerous scum like that have been released to murder again. Joran van der Sloot will be able to kill again when he is released from that prison in Peru since he will only be in his mid 50s. Valerie Moore was convicted of 2nd degree murder in 1987 in Washoe County District Court. In late 2006 at age 47 she set fire to the Mizpah Hotel in Reno and killed 6 more people.
Pedro Lopez was saved from being executed by a local tribe in Peru by a kind hearted missionary who talked the Indians into releasing him to the local police. That kindness resulted in over 100 additional murders. Lopez was convicted of numerous murders after showing the police the remains of 54 victims. Still the kind hearted authorities released him in 1998 after he was declared sane when he was 50 years old. As of 2002 there was an Interpol advisory out to rearrest him for another murder. Good thing that kind hearted Missionary talked those Indians out of killing Lopez in 1978. What Would Jesus Do? :angel:
His mum threw him out on the street when he was 8, though. There he was raped by a pedo. 18 years old he got 7 years in prison for car thefts etc. There he got raped again. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it is less likely that he would have been the animal that he is unless those things had happened to him between 8 and 18.
The right thing to do against people who are impossible to improve is to let the law-abiding citizens defend themselves. You can't even do that in all of the US and in Europe in principle only in the Czech Republic. The worst thing isn't that the offenders aren't put to death by the state but that the laws prohibit the law-abiding from effective self-defense.
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McJ the numbers are what they are. My town of Vallejo is 32% white, 24% asian (mostly Filipinos), 22.6% hispanic/latino and 22.1% black. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0681666.html (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0681666.html) Guess which demographic (by far) has the highest rate of violence, poverty and liklihood to be the one to try and mooch money at gas stations? What ever the underlying reason is it is up to the blacks in the Crest, on Lemon Street, Porter Street etc to fix their own dysfunction as a community or continue wallowing in it.
I realize that this is something that is not supposed to be mentioned in polite company. As long as it gets swept under the rug, excused for what ever reason etc how do you see it ever changing for the better?
The following is an unprovable anecdote but it did happen just yesterday. I live in an apt complex that does run credit checks and most of the neighbors are pretty cool. As I was going to get my mail a rather rotund black guy, possibly mildly intoxicated, louder than he should have said hello to a black woman with her little son who responded "I don't know you" and then a back and forth ensued that included her informing him that she did not talk to black people she does not know and him getting affronted but not violent. You can take what you want from that. I inferred from it that she may have grown up here and understood the interview that usually precedes a shakedown/robbery/rape. My own read of him was that he may very well have been just a bit more outgoing than average.
As far as Enron type fuckheads I agree that Andrew Fastow, and others like him, should have served 30 years, had his property criminally forfietured and had his wife waitressing at Denny's to make ends meet.
I favor the death penalty because scum like Edmund Kemper, Arthur Shawcross, Kenneth McDuff, Robert Alton Harris and William Spengler are unable to kill again once they are dead. Everyone of them killed, were released, and killed again. As it stands numerous scum like that have been released to murder again. Joran van der Sloot will be able to kill again when he is released from that prison in Peru since he will only be in his mid 50s. Valerie Moore was convicted of 2nd degree murder in 1987 in Washoe County District Court. In late 2006 at age 47 she set fire to the Mizpah Hotel in Reno and killed 6 more people.
Pedro Lopez was saved from being executed by a local tribe in Peru by a kind hearted missionary who talked the Indians into releasing him to the local police. That kindness resulted in over 100 additional murders. Lopez was convicted of numerous murders after showing the police the remains of 54 victims. Still the kind hearted authorities released him in 1998 after he was declared sane when he was 50 years old. As of 2002 there was an Interpol advisory out to rearrest him for another murder. Good thing that kind hearted Missionary talked those Indians out of killing Lopez in 1978. What Would Jesus Do? :angel:
His mum threw him out on the street when he was 8, though. There he was raped by a pedo. 18 years old he got 7 years in prison for car thefts etc. There he got raped again. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it is less likely that he would have been the animal that he is unless those things had happened to him between 8 and 18.
Oh. Well that makes 100s of rape/murders okay.
The right thing to do against people who are impossible to improve is to let the law-abiding citizens defend themselves. You can't even do that in all of the US and in Europe in principle only in the Czech Republic. The worst thing isn't that the offenders aren't put to death by the state but that the laws prohibit the law-abiding from effective self-defense.
Yeah that sucks.
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Oh. Well that makes 100s of rape/murders okay.
Of course not, but it would be easier to prevent 8 year olds from being thrown out on the street than to make a monster human again.
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I concede that being victimized young is likely to be a contributing factor to Lopez being so fucked up. As far as 8 year olds being thrown in the street and prevention bear in mind that Lopez grew up in the midst of La Violencia so things were fucked up all over Colombia at that time. In any case once someone has developed into a full blown monster I don't consider the abuse excuse to provide any kind of mitigation.
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Edith Jones is a looney tunes