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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Bastet on May 12, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
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Barbara Hewson says Savile scandal has resulted in the unjust 'persecution of old men’
LAST UPDATED AT 14:53 ON Thu 9 May 2013
A PROMINENT lawyer has called for the age of consent in the UK to be lowered to 13, claiming the move would end "the persecution of old men" that has emerged in the wake of the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal.
Barbara Hewson, a barrister at Hardwicke chambers in London, also argues that complainants should no longer receive anonymity and says that Britain has started "a witch-hunt of ageing celebs" echoing trials held in the Soviet Union.
In an article for the online magazine Spiked, Hewson argues that Operation Yewtree - the investigation created to deal with the Savile abuse scandal - is the work of moral crusaders intent on "policing all aspects of personal life".
Hewson, who specialises in reproductive rights, says the crimes committed by broadcaster Stuart Hall, who last week pleaded guilty to a number of indecent assaults, were not serious crimes but merely "low-level" misdemeanours.
"What we have here is the manipulation of the British criminal justice system to produce scapegoats on demand."
Hewson writes that "touching a 17-year-old’s breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one’s hand up a 16-year-old’s skirt" are not comparable to cases such as the Ealing vicarage rape or the Fordingbridge gang rape and murders from 1986.
As well as reducing the age of consent and removing complainant anonymity, Hewson calls for a strict statute of limitations for criminal prosecutions and civil actions.
Reacting to Hewson’s comments, Peter Watt, director of the NSPCC helpline, said such "outdated and simply ill-informed views" from a highly experience barrister were appalling: "Stuart Hall has pleaded guilty to abusing children as young as nine years old, we think most people would agree that crimes of this nature are incredibly serious".
Watt adds that lowering the age of consent would increase the risk from those who prey on vulnerable young people.
Hewson’s employers at Hardwicke sought to distance themselves from her comments: a spokesperson for the legal chambers said they had not seen or approved the article and were "shocked" by Hewson’s views. ·
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Sure, let the poor, dear, persecuted old coots have sex with 13-year-olds. :fp: What a dumbass.
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In America just thirty years ago, someone would have shot that cunt in the head. Now this bullshit is tolerated, because its the "nice" thing to do.
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BAWWWWWWWWWWW (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/09/barbara-hewson-says-she-has-been-threatened-online_n_3244102.html) Poor wittle Bawwbawwa! She's being threatened now.
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The legal age of consent is only 13 in Spain. The following European countries are all set at 14, so her ideas are not that far fetched.
Serbia, San Marino, Portugal, Montenegro, Macedonia, Liechtenstein, Italy, Hungary, Germany, Estonia, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Austria, Albania.
You have to remember consent is required. Are some 13 year olds capable of making a decision like that - probably a few are! Although i think 15 is probably as low as i would go.
Yes i think the Savile case is disturbing in a way because it has created a sort of platform which anyone can come forward and accuse men of ageing celebrity status of abuse. I suspect a portion of it is bullshit, but i don't know what size that portion is.
I mean Rolf Harris now has been arrested and i find it a bit hard to believe :-\
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Finally.
An advocate for us nonces.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
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IMO it is because younger girls are more easily pressured into "consensual" sex. Most 13 year olds aren't mature enough for that decision. Perhaps instead of an age requirement, there should be an intelligence/maturity requirement? :dunno:
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
I don't give a shit what the age is in some of the progressively retarded countries, lit. 13 is a fucking kid. I don't care if there is grass on the field. That may have meant "adult" when we were covered in furs and bashing in the heads of antelopes with a tree, and lived to be about thirty five years old. But now we live to be about 80 to 100 years old. Grow up, man.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
What about precocious puberty? Would a 5 year old with pubes who menstruates be an adult too?
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
What about precocious puberty? Would a 5 year old with pubes who menstruates be an adult too?
That'd be a dream come true for these dumbfucks.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
What about precocious puberty? Would a 5 year old with pubes who menstruates be an adult too?
That'd be a dream come true for these dumbfucks.
Someone felt that way about Lina Medina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina)
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That's enough.
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Yes, Germany and Austria are very "retarded" countries. Brilliant argument.
But I don't see a problem with anyone having consentual sex. Instead of being upset about girls voluntarily having sex with someone they like, you should focus on forced marriages, like they have in countries with sharia laws, the rape of boys by Catholic priests etc.
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Yes, Germany and Austria are very "retarded" countries. Brilliant argument.
But I don't see a problem with anyone having consentual sex. Instead of being upset about girls voluntarily having sex with someone they like, you should focus on forced marriages, like they have in countries with sharia laws, the rape of boys by Catholic priests etc.
It IS a brilliant argument, faggot. Since those countries are known for being very ambitious and NOT RETARDED in the past. And no, we shouldn't just focus on that, we should focus on people trying to talk little kinds into having sex with them. And we should execute or imprison those people for life. All of them. In fact just have police equipped with cans of gasoline when they go to pick up these fuckers, and just make standard procedure lighting them on fire and beating them with clubs while they burn to death.
Fuck pedophiles, Lit. FUCK pedophiles! Stop being such a goddamned idiot about this shit.
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Girls mature at different ages. I wasn't very mature at 13. The law just tells us when we are supposed to be. Like as if something amazing happens on the day of your sixteenth birthday :zoinks:
Maybe the law ought to deal with things on a case by case basis. Like a 'maturity' test which rage suggested.
The thing is, a girl who is 13 can apply make up and easily pass for 18. She could meet up with a bloke and say she is 18. They could have sex. It's not the blokes fault.
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It's 15 or below in most countries in Europe. This is a non-problem compared to real sexual abuse, like rape within the Catolic church and arranged marriages in many Muslim countries.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
Depends on how you define "not a child" and how you define "biologically." Puberty is occurring younger and younger in both sexes. Brain development, however, is not accelerating. In fact, I believe the current understanding is that your brain is still continuing to develop through your early-to-mid twenties.
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I don't see the problem. Most 13 year olds will not go to old geezers out of their free will anyway. They might go to a guy in his upper teens, but what's the problem with that?
Because the one in their upper teens is almost an adult. The thirteen year old is a child. Shut the fuck up, Lit.
She is not a child biologically.
The age of consent in Sweden is 15 and, like Bodie said, it's already 14 and 13 in many other European countries.
She is fucking so.
They are able to fall pregnant sure but that does not make them a fully developed woman biologically, physically, mentally or emotionally.
You know this and so you are not serious, because if you were you would be showing a lack of knowledge that belies your booksmarts.....or am I wrong?
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Does it seem like young girls have more problems in Sweden, Germany, Austria, Spain etc, because the age of consent is lower than what Victorian moralism - because that's what it all boils down to - finds "appropriate"? In Spain it is 13 already.
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Does it seem like young girls have more problems in Sweden, Germany, Austria, Spain etc, because the age of consent is lower than what Victorian moralism - because that's what it all boils down to - finds "appropriate"? In Spain it is 13 already.
When I was 13 there were a few 13 year olds I wanted to have sex with and most 13 year old boys the same. Unfortunately not all 13 year old boys outlive the fascination with 13 year old girl. 13 year old girls are not ready for sex regardless of whether they are sexually active or not and the same can be said for 13 year old boys
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I'm pretty sure that youngsters have more problems due to Anglosaxon moralism than due to liberal laws concerning age of consent. Myself I was over 20 when having sex for the first time, but most of my schoolmates were below 15. I never heard that they got traumatized from having sex at that age.
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I'm pretty sure that youngsters have more problems due to Anglosaxon moralism than due to liberal laws concerning age of consent. Myself I was over 20 when having sex for the first time, but most of my schoolmates were below 15. I never heard that they got traumatized from having sex at that age.
Do you remember being that age? 13 going on 30. You know everything and crave 'grown ups rights' and are incapable of grown up decisions or responsibility. You are eager to fuck like a rabbit but are not ready for any fallout. I did not have sex until i was 17.
See the thing is what happens with the experimental 14 year old that is stigmastised as a slut for being promiscuous? How does a 14 year old girl handle that? What about the 20 year old Dad of a 5 year old? How does he negotiate career, finances, other relationships and parenting responsibilities? How does he as a 15 year old Dad of a 1 year old?
All great in theory. Bi=ut they guys can ejaculate and the girls have periods, so therefore they are ready to have sex and with their hormones running wild, probably want to....just doesn't make it a fucking good idea
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
You're a likely lad Lit? Fancy a holiday to Thailand together?
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
birth control pills?
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
birth control pills?
Yup.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
birth control pills?
Probably also ritalin and adderall. Tasty tasty stimulants.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
birth control pills?
Yup.
My aspbergers daughter keeps bleeding through on the first day of her period. She is unorganized and unprepared. Gets caught off guard.
She is 15.
We are thinking of putting her on the pill so she will know when it's time.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
birth control pills?
Yup.
My aspbergers daughter keeps bleeding through on the first day of her period. She is unorganized and unprepared. Gets caught off guard.
She is 15.
We are thinking of putting her on the pill so she will know when it's time.
Do it. She's 15; being on the pill won't make her more likely to have sex, especially if she's generally unorganized and unprepared/doesn't do well with foresight. If she gets moody with hormones, the pill can help with that too.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
Just to clarify, its pretty normal for teenagers to play around. I get that. Its also pretty normal for them NOT to go all the way and swap fluids and make babies, in today's time. Yeah, they need to learn about sex, with each other. Not some creepy old bastard who views their bodies as playthings.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
birth control pills?
Yup.
My aspbergers daughter keeps bleeding through on the first day of her period. She is unorganized and unprepared. Gets caught off guard.
She is 15.
We are thinking of putting her on the pill so she will know when it's time.
Do it. She's 15; being on the pill won't make her more likely to have sex, especially if she's generally unorganized and unprepared/doesn't do well with foresight. If she gets moody with hormones, the pill can help with that too.
mywife and I are open minded and progressive. We are definately leaning in this direction. Our ingest obstacle, our daughter.
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IMO it is because younger girls are more easily pressured into "consensual" sex. Most 13 year olds aren't mature enough for that decision. Perhaps instead of an age requirement, there should be an intelligence/maturity requirement? :dunno:
That's not practically possible. Age limit is easier to implement.
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IMO it is because younger girls are more easily pressured into "consensual" sex. Most 13 year olds aren't mature enough for that decision. Perhaps instead of an age requirement, there should be an intelligence/maturity requirement? :dunno:
That's not practically possible. Age limit is easier to implement.
I know. It sux. I am far more immature than some people half my age yet they can't do things I can by law? I wonder if it were different if it wasn't an age thing, but a maturity thing. An emancipated minor that pays their own bills and takes care of them self earned the right to be an adult, IMO.
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I said that I don't think that it's a good idea to have kids at that age, though in Sweden the girls get pills from the school nurse at 15, they just have to ask for it. And it's not very stigmatic here to fuck around. For a boy you are considered more of a loser if you are not fucking around.
You're a likely lad Lit? Fancy a holiday to Thailand together?
:evillaugh: :plus: for making me laugh.
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Not sure what to say to this.
My first was a lot older, and I WAS one of those girls who could pass for legal tender and as far as he knew at the time I was.
Yep, I lied.
Virginity was just a "problem" I wanted taken care of, and did with someone who lived miles away and I would never have to worry about him talking in the locker room to his buddies at school.
A year later my girlfriend made me introduce her after seeing a picture. She lied too. >:D
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Spain changed the age you had to have to get married this year. It went up from 14 to 16. (This is about marriage with special permission, regular marriage is allowed after turning 18)
They are also pondering on bringing the age of 13 for sex up, to protect kids from abuse.
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It's more than simple abuse.
If a 14 year old gets pregnant then she has literally given her life to raising a child. Essentially lost her freedom.
It is also about protecting immature minors from making irresponsible life decisions.
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It's more than simple abuse.
If a 14 year old gets pregnant then she has literally given her life to raising a child. Essentially lost her freedom.
It is also about protecting immature minors from making irresponsible life decisions.
agreed
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Used to be in Pa. you could get birth control without parental consent, I think it works that way in most states now. I know they approved the morning after pill in NY in a few high schools to be given away by the school nurse without parental consent.
I think they are still fighting to make it available over the counter, which I feel it should be.
I was a 13 yr old from hell...by 14 I was having sex, drinking cheap wine, and inhaling frequently. I never left birth control to chance, didn't get drunk or high around/with people I didn't trust...didn't place myself in group situations I couldn't get out of... so I guess I was at least a little responsible with my irresponsible decisions. :LOL:
There was a girl at my school who was with a 38-40 yr old man, the whole town knew, as did her mother...my dad used to mutter "pervert" everytime he saw him. She was 14 when they started dating, she was poor, bi-racial, and didn't do well in school. He had a construction business, his own house, a big ass Lincoln, and a cell phone (which in the early 80's was a BIG deal). The "pervert" got her to stop skipping school, picked her up every day and drove her to school in the stinking Lincoln, bought her new clothes, and took her everywhere...out to eat, carnivals, rode her around with her girlfriends shopping... I remember him spending over $200 at a carnival trying to win her a stuffed bear. I think she was 17 when she got pregnant and married him. Many of her friends ended up like a lot of the girls there...pregnant, poor, drop-outs, living on a welfare check in a shitty apartment, or the trailer court. I'd like to think her life turned out a little better.
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It's more than simple abuse.
If a 14 year old gets pregnant then she has literally given her life to raising a child. Essentially lost her freedom.
It is also about protecting immature minors from making irresponsible life decisions.
Old chap, I like to think of it as an investment of sorts. When the baby girl turns 14, you will have a brand new loli to play with. And the cycle continues.
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It's more than simple abuse.
If a 14 year old gets pregnant then she has literally given her life to raising a child. Essentially lost her freedom.
It is also about protecting immature minors from making irresponsible life decisions.
True,
That map Lit showed, looks like the youngest ages are in the countries most devoutly catholic. I wonder if there is a connection.
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There us a connection between religion and everything decided by man. Except atheism.
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It's more than simple abuse.
If a 14 year old gets pregnant then she has literally given her life to raising a child. Essentially lost her freedom.
It is also about protecting immature minors from making irresponsible life decisions.
True,
That map Lit showed, looks like the youngest ages are in the countries most devoutly catholic. I wonder if there is a connection.
Hallelujah! I just had a religious epiphany! I was meant to be Catholic. I need to contact The Pope post haste to ask for his religious guidance. Why did I realise this before? I've been saved!