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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: McGiver on April 09, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
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Always!
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Always!
I question your suggestion!!! :orly: :zoinks:
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Agreed. Blind faith or loyalty isn't true loyalty. Its just being a lazy draft animal. The less you have to think, the better. TRUE loyalty is about being able to choose between what you think is right, and what you think is wrong. And being able to speak about it freely.
If you think a certain course of action is wrong, you don't just blindly follow it like an ass. You come up with a way you think is right! If other people agree, they'll support it. I know not everyone is a leader, but c'mon.
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Always!
I question your suggestion!!! :orly: :zoinks:
are you suggesting that I am your authority....your superior?
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So many favors to choose from. So many distractions that I forgot what the prize was!!!
:sheep:
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Always!
I question your suggestion!!! :orly: :zoinks:
are you suggesting that I am your authority....your superior?
Well I do fantasise... Mmmm superior spanking. :autism:
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I will hog tie you so tight your ass crack will get rope burn.
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I will hog tie you so tight your ass crack will get rope burn.
You tease!
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And, I would add, put "expertise" and "common knowledge" under the category of "authority."
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The "experts" and the "official story"?
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I hate to say it but this is actually one aspect of Lit's zaniness that I actually find myself nodding my head to. The racist , arse to mouth, blowing shit up, brave!!! :viking: bullshit makes me snicker at him BUT when he starts with his questioning authority and standing up to the pigs, rants, I find myself nodding
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
I am the same around people who tell me they are religious. It gets my antenna up and I am instantly wary of them in a way I was not prior to them letting me know.
The same when people tell me that they have a mental illness or if they tell me that they channel spirits or the like.
Same wariness and distrust on each occasion
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Religious people scare the Jeebus out of me. I question why they are so insecure as to NEED to rely on a crutch. What they will do to me if they didn't have their magic man in the sky to keep them moral.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
They have to prove they are innocent? :-\
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I would suggest the question, "Would you like lemon or cream in your tea" when dealing with authority.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
They have to prove they are innocent? :-\
That helps, but I think that investigation and being around a person long enough can make your mind up one way or the other. I look for things to confirm they are corrupt and misusing their power and take a negative position on them. IF they either prove themselves in my eyes not to be or they demonstrate over a long enough period of time that they do not act in a way to justify themselves as power abusive...then yes I accept they are not. until them I am wary. I will be mistrustful.
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Religious people scare the Jeebus out of me. I question why they are so insecure as to NEED to rely on a crutch. What they will do to me if they didn't have their magic man in the sky to keep them moral.
Yup.
The other thing of course is the whole are they prepared to have a 2013AD conversation (informed by 2013 informed realities) or a bronze age conversation? Now if they want to have such conversations in places of worship, fine. Just don't make choices that affect me on basis of primitive beliefs and practices. You can play with whatever toys you want in the comfort of you home and when I visit I am happy for you to show me but I insist you do not get me to play with them in my place in in the public sphere. there I want to have 2013 conversations with people living in 2013 about things that affect us in 2013
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Don't tell the children.
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The "experts" and the "official story"?
It would be a Grimm world is we believed all the official Tales.
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I hate to say it but this is actually one aspect of Lit's zaniness that I actually find myself nodding my head to. The racist , arse to mouth, blowing shit up, brave!!! :viking: bullshit makes me snicker at him BUT when he starts with his questioning authority and standing up to the pigs, rants, I find myself nodding
It's perhaps the only thing all 3 of us could agree on.
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The "experts" and the "official story"?
It would be a Grimm world is we believed all the official Tales.
still punny. Glad the world hasn't jaded your sense of humor.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
They have to prove they are innocent? :-\
That helps, but I think that investigation and being around a person long enough can make your mind up one way or the other. I look for things to confirm they are corrupt and misusing their power and take a negative position on them. IF they either prove themselves in my eyes not to be or they demonstrate over a long enough period of time that they do not act in a way to justify themselves as power abusive...then yes I accept they are not. until them I am wary. I will be mistrustful.
Some say I'm in a position of authority here. Should I always be mistrusted, initially?
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:orly:
What if someone in authority saves your ass from being switched over to the dead persuasion?
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:orly:
What if someone in authority saves your ass from being switched over to the dead persuasion?
Keep on mistrusting them. They'll charge you, eventually. :zoinks:
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:orly:
What if someone in authority saves your ass from being switched over to the dead persuasion?
Keep on mistrusting them. They'll charge you, eventually. :zoinks:
Even Harry Callahan?
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:orly:
What if someone in authority saves your ass from being switched over to the dead persuasion?
Keep on mistrusting them. They'll charge you, eventually. :zoinks:
Even Harry Callahan?
He isn't really in a position of authority. :M
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:orly:
What if someone in authority saves your ass from being switched over to the dead persuasion?
Keep on mistrusting them. They'll charge you, eventually. :zoinks:
Even Harry Callahan?
He isn't really in a position of authority. :M
He has a badge and a gun, so he is authoritah.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
They have to prove they are innocent? :-\
That helps, but I think that investigation and being around a person long enough can make your mind up one way or the other. I look for things to confirm they are corrupt and misusing their power and take a negative position on them. IF they either prove themselves in my eyes not to be or they demonstrate over a long enough period of time that they do not act in a way to justify themselves as power abusive...then yes I accept they are not. until them I am wary. I will be mistrustful.
Some say I'm in a position of authority here. Should I always be mistrusted, initially?
It is not a standard answer. I certainly did and would and found I had no need to be concerned. Should people? Maybe or maybe nort. Should they hold my wacky belief set?
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The "experts" and the "official story"?
It would be a Grimm world is we believed all the official Tales.
still punny. Glad the world hasn't jaded your sense of humor.
Oh, but it has; I just still have a moment or two of humor in between long stretches of darkness and despair.
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The "experts" and the "official story"?
It would be a Grimm world is we believed all the official Tales.
still punny. Glad the world hasn't jaded your sense of humor.
Oh, but it has; I just still have a moment or two of humor in between long stretches of darkness and despair.
god damn this world. It has taken you, one of the innocent.
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Authority must be held to a higher standard. Authority has some control over your life and can there fore unilaterally change your trajectory by the decisions they make.
I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
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Lars is a good role-model. Little piggie died of lead-poisoning :eyebrows: :viking: :arrr:
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When I am treated with respect by those with authority, I have no problem with them. No problem with disagreeing with them either. But, no rebellion tendencies.
The moment the respect is gone, they loose all respect from me too. It's kinda physical, starting with the spine and neck. :grrr:
I'm told I can be icy cold and threatening, in a too polite way. :laugh:
I do know my despair when not getting through too. :P
My kids are welcome to question me. But, not too late in the evening. Then none of us is sensible enough to have a good debate. Too late on the day, it should be calm. So, then they will have to listen to me, and rage against me the next day. :viking: Works most of the time.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
They have to prove they are innocent? :-\
That helps, but I think that investigation and being around a person long enough can make your mind up one way or the other. I look for things to confirm they are corrupt and misusing their power and take a negative position on them. IF they either prove themselves in my eyes not to be or they demonstrate over a long enough period of time that they do not act in a way to justify themselves as power abusive...then yes I accept they are not. until them I am wary. I will be mistrustful.
Some say I'm in a position of authority here. Should I always be mistrusted, initially?
It is not a standard answer. I certainly did and would and found I had no need to be concerned. Should people? Maybe or maybe nort. Should they hold my wacky belief set?
I think you probably should because little harm will come from starting on the assumption but re-evaluating as you go. Unless your mistrust means more action, that is. :P
Trusting blindly from day one could end well but it only takes one mistake.
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Trust must be earned.
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Only, his initial assumption is always that they are guilty because they are in a position of authority.
True BUT I assume that if people are in authority are guilty UNLESS they show me they are not. I am wary of them. Even perceived power.
They have to prove they are innocent? :-\
That helps, but I think that investigation and being around a person long enough can make your mind up one way or the other. I look for things to confirm they are corrupt and misusing their power and take a negative position on them. IF they either prove themselves in my eyes not to be or they demonstrate over a long enough period of time that they do not act in a way to justify themselves as power abusive...then yes I accept they are not. until them I am wary. I will be mistrustful.
Some say I'm in a position of authority here. Should I always be mistrusted, initially?
It is not a standard answer. I certainly did and would and found I had no need to be concerned. Should people? Maybe or maybe nort. Should they hold my wacky belief set?
I think you probably should because little harm will come from starting on the assumption but re-evaluating as you go. Unless your mistrust means more action, that is. :P
Trusting blindly from day one could end well but it only takes one mistake.
Exactly. The world is not a fair place and a person needs to be mindful of their wits and rights and safety. People will use their position to tread you down, especially if you are socially inept.
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Trust must be earned.
I got you.
You got me.
That is all.
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When i quit my short army career, the sarge said i had a natural adversity to authority. 8)
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Authority must be held to a higher standard. Authority has some control over your life and can there fore unilaterally change your trajectory by the decisions they make.
I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
McJ, when the hell did I start agreeing with you more often than most of the other forum members? Aren't you the guy who used to post constantly about when he was young and had sexy women pee on him???
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Authority must be held to a higher standard. Authority has some control over your life and can there fore unilaterally change your trajectory by the decisions they make.
I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
McJ, when the hell did I start agreeing with you more often than most of the other forum members? Aren't you the guy who used to post constantly about when he was young and had sexy women pee on him???
lots of what went on was for entertainment purposes. Lots more was an anti philosophy. Questioning normal thoughts and practices and backing up your words was a hallmark of the original intent here.
If in Southern California, try meeting up with me. I am not as out there as some would think. Ask scrap, he's met me.
Also, I have matured a bit. Still refusing to be a man...in the traditional sense.
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I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
I think I would have liked to be your kid. :plus:
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I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
I think I would have liked to be your kid. :plus:
I can be difficult at times. I just want to teach them to think critically.
I always joke with my wife that I think our children can pick their own religion, political party and sexual preference, but they must be LA Dodger fans.
Lol
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I always joke with my wife that I think our children can pick their own religion, political party and sexual preference, but they must be LA Dodger fans.
Lol
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ANAHEIM ANGELS!!!
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I always joke with my wife that I think our children can pick their own religion, political party and sexual preference, but they must be LA Dodger fans.
Lol
:thumbdn:
ANAHEIM ANGELS!!!
gfy, scrap. Smd!
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When i quit my short army career, the sarge said i had a natural adversity to authority. 8)
It's been said about me as well. Not in the army, though.
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When i quit my short army career, the sarge said i had a natural adversity to authority. 8)
Bend over! :squiddy:
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When i quit my short army career, the sarge said i had a natural adversity to authority. 8)
Me too. Probably why I am not married now
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Authority must be held to a higher standard. Authority has some control over your life and can there fore unilaterally change your trajectory by the decisions they make.
I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
McJ, when the hell did I start agreeing with you more often than most of the other forum members? Aren't you the guy who used to post constantly about when he was young and had sexy women pee on him???
lots of what went on was for entertainment purposes. Lots more was an anti philosophy. Questioning normal thoughts and practices and backing up your words was a hallmark of the original intent here.
If in Southern California, try meeting up with me. I am not as out there as some would think. Ask scrap, he's met me.
Also, I have matured a bit. Still refusing to be a man...in the traditional sense.
I'm still on the other side of the country, sadly. :P
I sorta suspect it's a mutual maturing. I've had a crash course or three in growing up since you were last super-active on here, and about a BILLION since this forum started up.
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Here is a real strange one. I LIKE rules and routine. I dislike authority.
I am a hard one to place in work. I don't know if anyone else is the same. I have had a few jobs in my 25 year work history and it is a real mixed bag because I do not get on with a lot of bosses. actually a lot of working styles I don't either.
Left to my own resources and with clear expectations, I am a tireless worker commuted to the organisation's rules, policies and regulations. Ask me if I can do whatever, and I will do it.
Demand I do something, or give me a hard time for a mistake, or change things, or be ambiguous....shit goes down. I do not give a damn about position or rank. I go off.
Bosses who know me recognise this in me and find ways to deal with it. Going head to head doesn't work. In truth (I am embarrassed to say) they usually distract me with other shit until I settle down.
The bosses that don't, I go head to head with and it makes for a stressful environment and job instability (I look for another job)
Four years at this job and I see people come and go and look to get promoted or sidewards promotions. Fuck that. Fuck the change. I earn what the Managers earn and without the stress of learn new skills or risking failing. I know my job inside out. I know the rules and policies and regulations and the Managers let me get on with it.
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Authority must be held to a higher standard. Authority has some control over your life and can there fore unilaterally change your trajectory by the decisions they make.
I try to teach my kids that rebellion is fine. But use it wisely. If you rebel against everything then you will not be taken seriously. If you choose your battles then you may convince others to revolt.
Question those charged with your care; parents, teachers, cops, politicians, employers, religious leaders, web masters (lol), and if they are not being responsible in their position of honor then rebellion or revolt is prudent.
McJ, when the hell did I start agreeing with you more often than most of the other forum members? Aren't you the guy who used to post constantly about when he was young and had sexy women pee on him???
lots of what went on was for entertainment purposes. Lots more was an anti philosophy. Questioning normal thoughts and practices and backing up your words was a hallmark of the original intent here.
If in Southern California, try meeting up with me. I am not as out there as some would think. Ask scrap, he's met me.
Also, I have matured a bit. Still refusing to be a man...in the traditional sense.
I'm still on the other side of the country, sadly. :P
I sorta suspect it's a mutual maturing. I've had a crash course or three in growing up since you were last super-active on here, and about a BILLION since this forum started up.
no matter what happens, never become too serious. And always keep your sense of humor and the ability to lol.
I'm rooting for you.
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Here is a real strange one. I LIKE rules and routine. I dislike authority.
I am a hard one to place in work. I don't know if anyone else is the same. I have had a few jobs in my 25 year work history and it is a real mixed bag because I do not get on with a lot of bosses. actually a lot of working styles I don't either.
Left to my own resources and with clear expectations, I am a tireless worker commuted to the organisation's rules, policies and regulations. Ask me if I can do whatever, and I will do it.
Demand I do something, or give me a hard time for a mistake, or change things, or be ambiguous....shit goes down. I do not give a damn about position or rank. I go off.
Bosses who know me recognise this in me and find ways to deal with it. Going head to head doesn't work. In truth (I am embarrassed to say) they usually distract me with other shit until I settle down.
The bosses that don't, I go head to head with and it makes for a stressful environment and job instability (I look for another job)
Four years at this job and I see people come and go and look to get promoted or sidewards promotions. Fuck that. Fuck the change. I earn what the Managers earn and without the stress of learn new skills or risking failing. I know my job inside out. I know the rules and policies and regulations and the Managers let me get on with it.
Albert (may I call you that), I have learned to keep my mouth shut at work. When asked to do a task I simply work as directed whether I think the boss is right or wrong.
Because I keep my mouth shut, people confide in me. I have learned to suppress my impulse control issues in this regard. And I never offer judgement nor do I run to the other person and tell. I think because I never offer judgment that others think I am trustworthy, which I like to think I am.
These are just a few tricks I have learned over the years to get along with authority. Still, in private I question their motives. I do not respect them for talking shit about others and question their motives, "what is their end game?" And they way they want things done serves only them, usually. Hardly anyone considers the big picture, rather they concern themselves with their self interest.
Human interaction is strange. People interact face to face by talking about the weather. Their true interaction, it seems, comes from talking behind each others backs. Strange indeed.
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Here is a real strange one. I LIKE rules and routine. I dislike authority.
I am a hard one to place in work. I don't know if anyone else is the same. I have had a few jobs in my 25 year work history and it is a real mixed bag because I do not get on with a lot of bosses. actually a lot of working styles I don't either.
Left to my own resources and with clear expectations, I am a tireless worker commuted to the organisation's rules, policies and regulations. Ask me if I can do whatever, and I will do it.
Demand I do something, or give me a hard time for a mistake, or change things, or be ambiguous....shit goes down. I do not give a damn about position or rank. I go off.
Bosses who know me recognise this in me and find ways to deal with it. Going head to head doesn't work. In truth (I am embarrassed to say) they usually distract me with other shit until I settle down.
The bosses that don't, I go head to head with and it makes for a stressful environment and job instability (I look for another job)
Four years at this job and I see people come and go and look to get promoted or sidewards promotions. Fuck that. Fuck the change. I earn what the Managers earn and without the stress of learn new skills or risking failing. I know my job inside out. I know the rules and policies and regulations and the Managers let me get on with it.
Albert (may I call you that), I have learned to keep my mouth shut at work. When asked to do a task I simply work as directed whether I think the boss is right or wrong.
Because I keep my mouth shut, people confide in me. I have learned to suppress my impulse control issues in this regard. And I never offer judgement nor do I run to the other person and tell. I think because I never offer judgment that others think I am trustworthy, which I like to think I am.
These are just a few tricks I have learned over the years to get along with authority. Still, in private I question their motives. I do not respect them for talking shit about others and question their motives, "what is their end game?" And they way they want things done serves only them, usually. Hardly anyone considers the big picture, rather they concern themselves with their self interest.
Human interaction is strange. People interact face to face by talking about the weather. Their true interaction, it seems, comes from talking behind each others backs. Strange indeed.
OK this is something a little personal and self-depreciating but i think pertinent...just in case anyone thought I was using this as a moral position or whatever. I have two kids. One Autistic and one not. Obviously from the above I am seriously socially inept. (Not in the can't talk to people way, but can not fit into social situations well). With my Autistic son, he is socially inept in different ways to me but socially inept irrespectively (something I am hindered in countering because I am weak in these areas too), and my NT daughter is strong in areas here and I am oblivious to how she does it.
It HAS impacted on me rather badly in the past. At present not at all but hey, a good 4 years is not exactly a good 25 years
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I have no problem with a leader who is doing a good job. Let me clarify.
A leader is someone not interested in stroking their ego, or any kind of personal gain. A leader sets an example and provides resources to those who would follow it, to make progress towards a goal.
That kind of leader is just groovy with me.
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Here is a real strange one. I LIKE rules and routine. I dislike authority.
I am a hard one to place in work. I don't know if anyone else is the same. I have had a few jobs in my 25 year work history and it is a real mixed bag because I do not get on with a lot of bosses. actually a lot of working styles I don't either.
Left to my own resources and with clear expectations, I am a tireless worker commuted to the organisation's rules, policies and regulations. Ask me if I can do whatever, and I will do it.
Demand I do something, or give me a hard time for a mistake, or change things, or be ambiguous....shit goes down. I do not give a damn about position or rank. I go off.
Bosses who know me recognise this in me and find ways to deal with it. Going head to head doesn't work. In truth (I am embarrassed to say) they usually distract me with other shit until I settle down.
The bosses that don't, I go head to head with and it makes for a stressful environment and job instability (I look for another job)
Four years at this job and I see people come and go and look to get promoted or sidewards promotions. Fuck that. Fuck the change. I earn what the Managers earn and without the stress of learn new skills or risking failing. I know my job inside out. I know the rules and policies and regulations and the Managers let me get on with it.
Albert (may I call you that), I have learned to keep my mouth shut at work. When asked to do a task I simply work as directed whether I think the boss is right or wrong.
Because I keep my mouth shut, people confide in me. I have learned to suppress my impulse control issues in this regard. And I never offer judgement nor do I run to the other person and tell. I think because I never offer judgment that others think I am trustworthy, which I like to think I am.
These are just a few tricks I have learned over the years to get along with authority. Still, in private I question their motives. I do not respect them for talking shit about others and question their motives, "what is their end game?" And they way they want things done serves only them, usually. Hardly anyone considers the big picture, rather they concern themselves with their self interest.
Human interaction is strange. People interact face to face by talking about the weather. Their true interaction, it seems, comes from talking behind each others backs. Strange indeed.
OK this is something a little personal and self-depreciating but i think pertinent...just in case anyone thought I was using this as a moral position or whatever. I have two kids. One Autistic and one not. Obviously from the above I am seriously socially inept. (Not in the can't talk to people way, but can not fit into social situations well). With my Autistic son, he is socially inept in different ways to me but socially inept irrespectively (something I am hindered in countering because I am weak in these areas too), and my NT daughter is strong in areas here and I am oblivious to how she does it.
It HAS impacted on me rather badly in the past. At present not at all but hey, a good 4 years is not exactly a good 25 years
perhaps you are learning to cope in the mystery I'df social interaction?
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A leader is someone not interested in stroking their ego, or any kind of personal gain. A leader sets an example and provides resources to those who would follow it, to make progress towards a goal.
This is not realistic. Ultimately we are all interested in personal gain. You, me, every leader humanity has yet encountered. We are selfish, the lot of us, and it is only when we realise this that we can begin to choose our leaders wisely.
The question is not "if". It is "how do they go about it?"
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Until human beings begin to realize what is best for the collective is also what's best for the self we will continue to exploit each other for meager gains.
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Yes, that's about it. But not every leader realises that the good of the collective equals personal gain; a precious few do.
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My father was an auxiliary policeman for about 7 years. One of the pieces of advice he gave me was to do whatever a policeman tells you to do. You can always sue the bastard later.
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Here the pigs get what they deserve. They don't die but they get beaten and kicked severely 8)
ah, mephistophelis Police Getting What They Deserve For Acting Like Thugs VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-whAMV56nk#)
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