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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: bodie on August 29, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
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New doll on the market... called 'the breast milk baby' teaches young girls how to breast feed.
WTF?
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http://thebreastmilkbaby.com/ (http://thebreastmilkbaby.com/)
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Why not?
I had this book when I was 4-5 years old. It's typical Swedish 1970's pedagogics: Too much nudity (http://www.kidsen.co.uk/blog/2010/03/30/too-much-nudity/) Seems like Anglosaxon people find it upsetting still today.
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I am not upset. Or outraged. Just find it an odd subject for a five year old to learn...I can think of lots of things kids need to learn... social skills, problem solving, understanding the world and other cultures, road safety, algebra, geography, sign language, spelling etc etc and they all would come before breast feeding!
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Wouldn't most five year old girls who had a new baby brother or sister be curious what mummy was doing?
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Sure and i would be happy to explain it...still think it is a wierd doll. :zombiefuck:
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Sure and i would be happy to explain it...still think it is a wierd doll. :zombiefuck:
When I was three and had a new baby brother, I stuck my ordinary baby doll to my breast over my shirt and I stuck the baby doll under my shirt when I pretended to be pregnant. I don't see why you would need a special doll for this unless it latches on and that would be extremely creepy anyway.
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IIRC, the world record for youngest pregnancy (aside from the medical oddities like a man carrying his own twin, technically pregnant from pre-birth of course) is 5yo. Although there was a paki that got pregnant not much older, 6ish. Uggh. What a disgusting thought. I HATE rapists. And child molesters? I have no problem breaking the face of a confirmed nonce. But doing an islamite is almost as abhorrent. Nasty little things breed like rats as it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers) Some precociously pubertal moms have breastfed at age 5-6)
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Why not?
I had this book when I was 4-5 years old. It's typical Swedish 1970's pedagogics: Too much nudity (http://www.kidsen.co.uk/blog/2010/03/30/too-much-nudity/) Seems like Anglosaxon people find it upsetting still today.
Oh, I remember this one. It's interesting how some parts of the world do their damnest to create taboos where there should be very few.
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As for the doll, it never ceases to amaze me what some will do to make money.
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New doll on the market... called 'the breast milk baby' teaches young girls how to breast feed.
WTF?
(http://thebreastmilkbaby.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/banner-play-and-learn.png)
http://thebreastmilkbaby.com/ (http://thebreastmilkbaby.com/)
Lets spends hundreds of thousands of dollars developing an even more useless product than this! Maybe millions! Cmon guys who's up for it?!!!!!!!!
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When I was a child my friends and I would pretend to breastfeed our baby dolls. I thought it was funny. Some girls might want one. I had a doll you could put makeup on and take it off with hot and cold water. Lil Miss MAkeup and her sister doll where you could change the color of her clothing. Lil Miss Dress Up.
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She does need to know so if she is in a situation like in the movie Blue Lagoon she will know what to do :M
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I know kids like to play at being adults. It is an important type of play. however the breast milk baby just sucks...... :hahaha:
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I do find the doll unnecessary when you can take any doll to your tit and make suckling noises.
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I do find the doll unnecessary when you can take any doll to your tit and make suckling noises.
Or not. :zoinks:
I must admit, I had a giant Barbie head, with styleable hair and a makeup kit, when I was 12.
But I never EVER wanted a doll to make-believe breastfeed. Never crossed my mind. :dunno:
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^ That is because you have teh Ass-Burgers. :zoinks:
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^ That is because you have teh Ass-Burgers. :zoinks:
Yes, I lack teh Theory of teh Mind. I am speshul that way. :autism:
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Girls need to know what breast are for. It's for feeding only. Not the secks thing. :nerdy:
And we can not, and should not rely on the creativity of little girls to use their ordinary dolls for that. :M
Creativity, when it comes to breast, is very dangerous, for developing little brains. :bounce:
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I think it's fine...until it gets into the hands of the girl's "creative" 10yr old brother. ::)
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no need for a doll specifically for that imo. although nothing wrong with a kid pretending to do that with an ordinary doll. kids are bound to copy what they see
btw did you see recently the photos of some "educational" breastfeeding puppet or something? I didnt click on it, but the photos were fucking hilarious.
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lol here's the link. it's your typical British newspaper hysteria , but it's fucking ridiculous to look at. :laugh:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2186538/Breastfeeding-lessons-14-year-olds-using-puppets-knitted-breasts.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2186538/Breastfeeding-lessons-14-year-olds-using-puppets-knitted-breasts.html)
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/10/article-2186538-147BBBE6000005DC-507_233x423.jpg)
:LOL:
*searches for boob pattern...thinking these might be a good seller at the bar :apondering:*
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/10/article-2186538-147BBBE6000005DC-507_233x423.jpg)
:LOL:
*searches for boob pattern...thinking these might be a good seller at the bar :apondering:*
:lol1:
I've seen pluche boobs, in one of the Frankenstein jr projects. As I said, girls and creativity, it is evil. :M
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I must admit, I had a giant Barbie head, with styleable hair and a makeup kit, when I was 12.
But I never EVER wanted a doll to make-believe breastfeed. Never crossed my mind. :dunno:[/font][/size]
Barbie gives great head
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Why would a five year old girl need to know how to breastfeed?
To develop kinky fetishes and be her husband's little girl? :zoinks:
Edit: changed "do" to "to"
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Yes they do
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Do you have an actual point or are you spamming other people's threads now?
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I do find the doll unnecessary when you can take any doll to your tit and make suckling noises.
Or not. :zoinks:
I must admit, I had a giant Barbie head, with styleable hair and a makeup kit, when I was 12.
But I never EVER wanted a doll to make-believe breastfeed. Never crossed my mind. :dunno:
I got given dolls but I never knew what to do with them. I preferred the toys I could take apart and put back together again. I also did the typical autistic thing where I spun the wheels of toy cars. :autism: I am glad my parents never made me play with dolls exclusively, although my sister would have liked it.
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Lol, as a kid, I used to play with dolls if I found them. In a bit of an unconventional way. Swapping bodyparts around, and quite often taking them out to the middle of nowhere, and blowing them to pieces. That was fun as a little kid.
I'm sure I would have had no end of stick from other kids had they ever seen me with a doll....at least until they saw the new 'suicide squad barbie' bite down on a steel pipe full of aluminium flash, leaving a crater for a gravestone :D
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Blowing things up is :viking: and fun 8)
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my friend here had a book full of naked photos of people, including a close-up vaginal penetration pic. it was a pedagogical book. scandinavian :'D
we'd nag him for his "porn book" and he would be upset and insist it isnt porn :'D
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my friend here had a book full of naked photos of people, including a close-up vaginal penetration pic. it was a pedagogical book. scandinavian :'D
we'd nag him for his "porn book" and he would be upset and insist it isnt porn :'D
That reminds me of when I was in school. We would look at National Geographic magazines to gawk at the naked people. It was like a game. Go through the magazine to find naked pictures. The teacher thought we were studying.
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Has it yet been pointed out, "Why would five-year-old girls need to 'know how to' do the vast majority of the things the pretend toys they play with 'teach' them to do?"
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I didn't even know about breast feeding until I was eight because I saw it in a book. I grew up seeing my brothers being bottle fed and other babies too. I never saw a baby being breast fed. Then when I found out about it, I thought it was weird. But at least I learned that is why women have boobs and men don't.
I have no opinions about that doll though. I see it as no different than a child giving their baby doll a bottle.
My nephew's half sister has asked me why my son was sucking on my boob and how come he doesn't have a bottle. I wasn't afraid to tell her that is how some babies get their food and mothers make milk and babies get it from the boob when they suck on them. Some moms use bottles and some use their boobs. She was four then and I think hey if kids learn about breast feeding at a young age and see it when they are growing up, they maybe won't be so against breast feeding in public when they see it because they won't associate it with sexual and not have a problem with it. They be able to ignore it and not make a negative fuss about it. Its been drilled into peoples minds that boobs are sexual so when they see a woman breast feeding, it bothers them and they see it as sexual and indecent exposure. Even if they are covered or have their boobs hidden without being covered up, it still bothers them because they compare it to masturbation and sex. You can do them under a blanket and it still be illegal but not breast feeding.
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Awesome story.
We have been teaching our daughters some pretty fucked up shit for at least as long as my parents have been alive. Barbie teaches a girl what she should look like, and now we teach her what she should expect out of life
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Lol, as a kid, I used to play with dolls if I found them. In a bit of an unconventional way. Swapping bodyparts around, and quite often taking them out to the middle of nowhere, and blowing them to pieces. That was fun as a little kid.
I'm sure I would have had no end of stick from other kids had they ever seen me with a doll....at least until they saw the new 'suicide squad barbie' bite down on a steel pipe full of aluminium flash, leaving a crater for a gravestone :D
Didn't the mean kid next door in Toy Story do something like that?
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Yea. Sid.
Toy Story Sid's House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9y2tXnjP_E#ws)
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LOL.
I used to make mini-sized pyro stuff for toys as a little'un, that was fun.
Such as drilling a hole in the backside of a troll-doll, and supergluing a shotgun shell up there, after first pouring in some black powder, flash, NC or just plain old lighter fuel.
Used to find it hilarious to watch, especially the flash powder ones, there is significant confinement from the fairly thick rubberized plastic, and flash powder needs very, very little of that to go off with an earsplitting bang, with the bigger size of troll, thats quite a hefty charge where flashpowder is used as the filling.
And flash...its sensitive enough to be set off easily but safe to handle carefully (I.e away from sparks, flame, static discharge, friction or mechanical shock).
White spirit/petrol/ etc make good troll doll fillings too, and produce a nice satisfying fireball.
Oh boy...and the day I found out (while too young to have a bank card to set up an account with a chemical company, and had to make almost every single reagent used from scratch) that instant icepacks of the single-use kind are often full of ammonium nitrate (very insesnsitive yet powerful and dirt cheap base for quite a few HEs, but more useful still for making my HNO3 from. Toluene, sulfuric, 3-step nitration with mixed nitration acid.
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I realize that Sid may have just been a typical kid and not some meanie and I hear what he did to his little sister's doll was pretty typical of what a brother would do to their sibling. The movie just made him out to be a villain and evil because it was being told from the toys perspective.
My little brother thought Sid's room was cool. I thought he was crazy lol.
I remember in 6th grade, a girl told me when she got tired if playing with Barbies, she ripped all their heads off, colored their hair and hung them on her bedroom ceiling. I remember another girl in my class brought these little white things to school and she said she cut open a TV Beanie and that was what was inside it.
I used to cut my Barbies long hair because it get in the way when I play with them. Then I would wonder why it never grows back. If their heads came off, I put them back on again. One of my best friends used to threaten to rip the heads off my dolls to control me. My mother always had to put a stop to it by sending her home every time.
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I have no objection to this toy, really. I would never say 'it should be banned' but i have several reservations about it.
I have breast fed my own baby and in my experience i think it is not something you can 'teach' There really is no format to learn. It does however require the correct equipment and it will need to be fully loaded in order to work!
I think there is nothing wrong with little girls copying how mummy feeds their baby brother or sister. They can do this with any doll. I think spending $99 on a doll to specifically 'teach' this is bizarre. I already said i doubt it is something you can teach. An effective demonstration for a five year old to understand would require a much more complex doll as this, in fact it would require two dolls and one would need milkable breasts. Therefore this doll is as overpriced as it is useless.
The 'my cleaning trolley' above at least teaches a life skill. It shouldn't be pink, though - any gender could find cleaning 'fun' :zombiefuck:
By buying this toy you are emphasising the importance of motherhood. Could it be setting up little girls to think if they don't reproduce they are somehow letting the side down. Motherhood is important, yes, but not all little girls grow up with that aspiration. I prefer toys that can be used by both boys and girls.
Lastly, i think it would be dumb to ignore the fact that there is, for some, a sexual element to breastfeeding. In fact i only became aware of this toy because it was mentioned by a man who was telling jokes about blow up dolls. Imagine how easy the following scenario could occur.
You are on a family day out, kids in the back of the car. One kid pulls out her breastfeeding doll out of boredom on the journey. Starts using it. At the traffic lights you pull up next to some sicko who starts getting off on your little girl..... doesn't that thought make you sick? It could happen.
By the time girls get real breasts they should be old enough to understand appropriate warnings. You can't expect that of a five year old.
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Lastly, i think it would be dumb to ignore the fact that there is, for some, a sexual element to breastfeeding. In fact i only became aware of this toy because it was mentioned by a man who was telling jokes about blow up dolls. Imagine how easy the following scenario could occur.
You are on a family day out, kids in the back of the car. One kid pulls out her breastfeeding doll out of boredom on the journey. Starts using it. At the traffic lights you pull up next to some sicko who starts getting off on your little girl..... doesn't that thought make you sick? It could happen.
The problem here is that the sicko could get off on anything. Your little girl might simply be playing with an ordinary doll, or she might be doing nothing at all except asking mum and dad about when they'll arrive, and the sicko would somehow see a sexual element in there.
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Like Stephen King says in The Green Mile: a madman might get an impuls to kill just because a cloud happened to cover the sun for a while.
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Exactly. Often there is no reason.
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It creeps me out if it looks like a stranger might take a picture of my daughter at the pool even though I know it is a public place. If someone has a camera there, I watch them closely to see exactly who they are photographing. My daughter is a very pretty teenager and I don't want her starring in some sicko's fantasies.
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When I was ten, I was at Disneyland and these two teens kept staring at me and looking at me. My mom didn't think it was a big deal but my two uncles thought it was. I was tall for my age so the teens thought I was older so they kept gawking at me and roaming around. Then finally my uncle has had enough and told them "Okay she is ten years old" and they fled. I am sure they were thinking of me sexually and it bothered my uncles while my mother thought it was no big deal. It wasn't hurting me and I was too absorbed in the book I was reading I didn't even notice and when mom catch my attention that the line was moving, I get up and move and sit on the ground again and read.
Plus I am sure someone can get off on a woman breast feeding her child. I am sure someone can also get off on any child they see.
I have even seen people make a huge fuss about parents posting pictures of their kids online like on facebook or using them as their avatar because a pedophile may see them. But parents don't care about it so they do it anyway because how far can you draw the line to protect your child? I mean just as long as they don't touch your child. Lot of parents don't see the harm in someone jacking off to their kid's photo because they won't know about it and how is that going to hurt their child? I am sure there are some that do care so they wouldn't be posting photos of their kids online. But does that mean they wouldn't take them out in public? There are pedophiles in public too and someone can see your kid and have sexual thoughts about your child. They would have to be very clever to not make it obvious what they are doing so you wouldn't know as a parent nor would anyone else know either.
Yeah someone can have sexual thoughts about your kid nonetheless and get off on it. If every parent didn't ignore it, they wouldn't be able to take their kids out in public again because there could be some sicko out there. No parent be posting photos of their kids online nor on Facebook or myspace to show their friends and family. No mother be breast feeding in public either because someone could get off on it. Just how far can you take it as a parent to protect your child from sicko having sick thoughts about your child and getting off on it? You have to draw the line somewhere.
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Yes i agree that some sicko could get a lob on from a kid doing anything. The point, in my mind, was that as breast feeding has a sexual association (by some people) it seems pretty unnecessary for a five year old to learn how to do it... in my mind i think you are increasing the risk of some perv getting his jolly's on your kid.
Thankfully, i don't have a daughter. I would be worried sick. But if i did, and she had a toy like this, i would probably be OTT with the vigilance! Especially if she took the doll out somewhere. I would be constantly looking around to see if anyone was watching. I wouldn't be so uppity if she was playing with... say, a tea set or reading a book for example. I know that there is a risk anyway, and that is bad enough.
I feel the same way about beauty pageants. There is no need to slap make up on a five year old to make her look pretty. IMO anything with a sexual element (or potential sexual element) mixed with a five year old is a no no.
I also think toys that teach specific gender roles (this one is quite specific) should be available, but i would limit the quantity, and also would make sure many other types of toys were also available. There are so many cool toys about that are designed to teach the skills that will be absolutely needed. Problem solving, self awareness and self expression, independence, sharing, balance and coordination, numeracy, communication etc etc . Kids have brains like huge sponges at that age and i would rather it be soaking up the skills listed above.
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Yes i agree that some sicko could get a lob on from a kid doing anything. The point, in my mind, was that as breast feeding has a sexual association (by some people) it seems pretty unnecessary for a five year old to learn how to do it... in my mind i think you are increasing the risk of some perv getting his jolly's on your kid.
Thankfully, i don't have a daughter. I would be worried sick. But if i did, and she had a toy like this, i would probably be OTT with the vigilance! Especially if she took the doll out somewhere. I would be constantly looking around to see if anyone was watching. I wouldn't be so uppity if she was playing with... say, a tea set or reading a book for example. I know that there is a risk anyway, and that is bad enough.
I feel the same way about beauty pageants. There is no need to slap make up on a five year old to make her look pretty. IMO anything with a sexual element (or potential sexual element) mixed with a five year old is a no no.
I also think toys that teach specific gender roles (this one is quite specific) should be available, but i would limit the quantity, and also would make sure many other types of toys were also available. There are so many cool toys about that are designed to teach the skills that will be absolutely needed. Problem solving, self awareness and self expression, independence, sharing, balance and coordination, numeracy, communication etc etc . Kids have brains like huge sponges at that age and i would rather it be soaking up the skills listed above.
I do get your point, but I will also play devil's advocate here: Rule 36. Anything a five-year-old does could have sexual connotations for someone- just as anything anyone does could have sexual connotations for someone.
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"connotations"
that is the word i was going to use but i couldn't remember
how to spell it! :thumbup: