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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: ZEGH8578 on July 11, 2012, 05:04:59 AM
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# Animals and plants are _not_ separate. They hail from the exact same chain of evolution as everything else. It's like saying "its okay to eat tigers, but NOT lions. Lions are separate! Lions have a life, emotions, feelings!"
Animals and plants are ONE: They are Eukaryotes.
# Vegetarians OFTEN eat fungi. Fungi are Opisthokonts. What is an Opisthokont, you ask? It's an organism that is either an animal or a fungus. Fungis are closely related to animals. But Vegetarians are often not very well educated in these matters, so its not really important to them. It's the health-cult that matters - not actual biology.
# Plants are much more complex than Vegetarians think. Vegetarians always automatically assume plants are the better choise, but always do so comparing to animals. So... why must plants suffer? Plants have bodies. Plants have organs (Skin is an organ. The nervous system is an organ. Body parts, etc,)
Plants have soft and hard tissues, they have body-fluids. Open up an orange, and tell me the inside is made purely for human consuption. What you are looking at on the gooey, watery inside of an orange is - the ripped open, grotesque inside of an innocent plant that never asked to be ripped open in the first place.
Thats the biggest delusion of all - the idea that plants are automatically food. I bet veggies imagine potatoes dropping from the sky. Potatoes arent the round little ball that belongs on your dinner table.
This is a potato:
(http://www.duke.edu/~jspippen/plants/ipomoea-pandurata060825-4482cstlhaynez.jpg)
A wild one at that.
Or should i say FREE?
The potato is a plant, with green leafs, who want nothing more than to sit in peace, drink the rain, bathe in the sun, and grow big and strong. it has NO ambitions of being decapitated, with half of its body discarded as garbage, and its water-organ (root) to be boiled and eaten by foreign creatures.
Vegetarians should shut the fucking motherfucking fuck up about their righteousness "you eat animals. you are cruel. i eat plants. i am glorious. 2+2=5"
it makes no logical sense.
it is the result of cult-thinking.
quit it.
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Though I think the point is that plants don't feel pain, although we don't know that, of course.
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Though I think the point is that plants don't feel pain, although we don't know that, of course.
exactly.
its just convenient.
besides, plants have reactions to their surroundings. they cannot see, hear, or smell - but still they are capable of reacting to:
touch (flycatchers, acacia tree), temperatures and light/darkness (dandelions closing the flower whenever it rains, or at night), even communication (again exemplified by the acacia)
it pisses me off just as much when people say that about animals, "they cannot feel pain" - which ive heard about fish, rabbits and even cows - the latter being advanced mammals, completely and fully capable of both pain and other abstract emotions.
we should man up.
yes, animals feel pain. yes we eat them
yes, plants are alive, and we eat them too.
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Vegetarians should shut the fucking motherfucking fuck up about their righteousness "you eat animals. you are cruel. i eat plants. i am glorious. 2+2=5"
Do the ones who aren't sanctimonious, and are simply choosing to eat the way they prefer to eat without putting that on others, still get you all het up?
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Those cowardly hippies! We pirates aren't veggies! :arrr:
All kinds of PC idiots would be quite amusing, didn't they have an impact on society. They should be in a circus or something instead, with the other clowns.
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Vegetarians should shut the fucking motherfucking fuck up about their righteousness "you eat animals. you are cruel. i eat plants. i am glorious. 2+2=5"
Do the ones who aren't sanctimonious, and are simply choosing to eat the way they prefer to eat without putting that on others, still get you all het up?
I want honesty and realism. If people are deluded, i get annoyed.
Im not an angry guy by default.
The best, most honest, and most acceptable reason for vegetarianism offered to me, was that meat looks gross.
I admit, I have sometimes been a bit grossed out myself, if i chewed something weird, or if i am offered brains or guts or something I'm not entirely used to.
Its a personal preference, like a sexual preference, or a taste in music or movies.
its not even that theyre pushing it, but most of them simply believe they are more correct, and it boils down to them being loving, caring and compassionate with nature - while i obviously am not, a barbaric ignorant grunt. its offensive.
i love nature. i understand and respect nature. i have killed a fish with my bare hands, and i fucking ate it only seconds after it was alive in the river.
its no different - at all - from pulling a carrot up from the ground, chopping it in half, and boiling it, yet one side claims the other to be barbaric and ignorant about it - even if they keep it to themselves i am offended :M
personal taste is different. i wont eat snails. cus im afraid theyll pop in my mouth, and spray goo all over my palate :zombiefuck:
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PC clowns are the real fascists, since they claim a moral superiority that they don't have and want everyone else to conform without questioning.
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PC clowns are the real fascists, since they claim a moral superiority that they don't have and want everyone else to conform without questioning.
Yes. but fascists are real fascists too, because they also do lots of forcing people to do stuff, including genocides and stuff.
*wag finger!*
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I think you'll like Pasolini's wisdom, norrbagge. He says that consumerism is the real fascism. And he also made similar statements about false tolerance, false democracy etc:
PIER PAOLO PASOLINI - The form of the city ("La forma della città") - PART 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-vkZlufQQ#)
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I am not bothered if people want to eat vegetables.
Vegetables taste good. Better with a bloody fillet steak :viking:
The only condescending thing i find is that a percentage of vegetarians believe that
we would still have fields full of sheep and cows etc if we didn't eat them. We wouldn't.
Farmer Giles would fill his fields with oats.
Yes, :hyke: would be safe because of milk. I really think a few animals would become
extinct quite quickly if they weren't farmed.
Pigs are an exception. Pigs are clever. We still have wild boar :viking: But a lot of farm yard animals are too docile to exist without help.
People do piss me off when they just go to supermarkets and buy packaged cuts of meat and have no thought or knowledge of how it got there :finger:
Hunting is cool.
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Hm, that's one of the reasons that I sometimes consider being a vegetarian after all. Although in favour of free guns I don't like hunting and I'm really disgusted by the meat industry.
But that is a real moral principle: I hesitate to eat food that was made in a way that I could barely stomach to do myself. I could maybe hunt. Maybe. But I'd be sick working in a slaughter house.
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lit, i am fully aware of the curse of consumerism, as i have been doom-saying a lot about it myself. im just saying - one evil doesnt eliminate another ;]
i kept thinking about that when good-ol breivik was justifying himself, and i was thinking - assuming he is correct - then what?
then we're stuck with just another system, another "we are the only correct ones!" alternative, and another fringe would erupt and feel alienated, and end up shooting people to pieces.
lesson: humans are indeed one, around the world, and we're all completely flawed compared to the perfection we think we are.
we are perpetually doomed to fuck ourselves over - this has even been proven by psychological experiments, that clearly show that humans are helpless when it comes to the "gathering" instinct for example. we will gather despite being promised better rewards by not gathering.
we can look at one reward awaiting us, but still choose doom, even when fully concious of the concequences - as perfectly exemplified irl by for example environmentalism
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consumerism: the fact that we are STILL, RIGHT NOW, DURING the economic crisis allowing for advertisement on tv, huge private companies ruling national economies etc.
we can see what is killing us, and we are still not moving away.
/rant
im hoping china comes and occupy us all. and of course, that they do this without concentration camps and all of that nasty stuff :I
btw, my brother worked for a while in a slaughter house, and almost lost his apetite for meat altogether :D but he went unprepared. he, like many, had never confronted the idea that meat comes from living animals.
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When i say hunting, i don't mean fox hunting. I just refer to a person who hunts and kills an animal for the main purpose of eating it.
Not sure how i feel about hunting with dogs.
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When i say hunting, i don't mean fox hunting. I just refer to a person who hunts and kills an animal for the main purpose of eating it.
Not sure how i feel about hunting with dogs.
i think bringing your own dog to help out with the hunt is a natural and harmonic thing to do, and must be extatic for the dog to actually do what it was made to do.
fox hunting doesnt count. its a snobby sadistic sport, where the chase itself is in focus.
my friend stein hunts. he is very code-bound, and i respect that. he approaches the deer, without being seen. how often do you approach huge, wild animals, without being spotted? :D
i find that amazing in itself.
then he fires _one_ shot. deers are powerful animals. they can take a shot, and laugh, so he has to hit the deer right in the torso, puncturing the lungs right through.
Then, when he has one deer, that = a freezer filled up with meat, so naturally, he has no further business interfering with wilderness, and returns home with his loot.
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this has even been proven by psychological experiments, that clearly show that humans are helpless when it comes to the "gathering" instinct for example. we will gather despite being promised better rewards by not gathering.
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This must be the reason that all people aren't anarchists, despite self-ruling being the only thing morally justifiable and most awarding at the same time. 99.99% believe in or pretend to believe in the lie that the "state" is something morally legitimate. A system where you force people who haven't done anything wrong per se can never be a moral one.
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^ That is the kind of hunting i respect. :viking:
It is 'man' (or woman lol) at the top of the food chain and using his skill to feed his family. Rich or poor.
I just wanted to distance myself from fox hunting. Say 'hunting' here, and it is the first thing people think of. I loathe that sport. I don't like anything that reinforces a 'class structure' like that anyway, but i also think it is barbaric.
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^ That is the kind of hunting i respect. :viking:
It is 'man' (or woman lol) at the top of the food chain and using his skill to feed his family. Rich or poor.
I just wanted to distance myself from fox hunting. Say 'hunting' here, and it is the first thing people think of. I loathe that sport. I don't like anything that reinforces a 'class structure' like that anyway, but i also think it is barbaric.
English aristocrats aren't BRAVE! :arrr:
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this has even been proven by psychological experiments, that clearly show that humans are helpless when it comes to the "gathering" instinct for example. we will gather despite being promised better rewards by not gathering.
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This must be the reason that all people aren't anarchists, despite self-ruling being the only thing morally justifiable and most awarding at the same time. 99.99% believe in or pretend to believe in the lie that the "state" is something morally legitimate. A system where you force people who haven't done anything wrong per se can never be a moral one.
Anarchy is a paradox
1. Anarchy is always impossible: Humans will always conclude an action to be right or wrong, from any set of rules or guidelines. So, in itself, pure anarchy will never exist. It is abstract.
2. Anarchy is always implemented: Humans will always do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it, laws and rules and guidelines be damned. If i want to murder people, I will murder them. Today or tomorrow. But i dont want to. Theres concequences :D but i have no respect for the law in itself. i smoke weed. thats against the law.
modern society is much more like stone-age life than most people realize. just fancyer caves is all :D
the state IS natural tho, you have to remember: nobody planned this. nobody planned for humble tribes of 100 people, to grow into tens of millions.
as in: the "state" is the tribal elder. the chief. originally the chief knew everyone in his tribe. he was the elder. he was genuinely loved, and he genuinely loved his tribe back. he watched the tribes children grow up, and he told them stories of the past, and tought them to tie knots, and carve wood.
the "state" is simply a translation of a chief for a tribe of over a million people - when the instinct comes from small tribes of 100 people or less.
like ive often told my friends - ill get involed in the politicians, when they come home to me, bring weed and a dvd, and throw in a foot massage while theyre at it. maybe ill even vote against them, but at least ill care.
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When i say hunting, i don't mean fox hunting. I just refer to a person who hunts and kills an animal for the main purpose of eating it.
Not sure how i feel about hunting with dogs.
i think bringing your own dog to help out with the hunt is a natural and harmonic thing to do, and must be extatic for the dog to actually do what it was made to do.
fox hunting doesnt count. its a snobby sadistic sport, where the chase itself is in focus.
my friend stein hunts. he is very code-bound, and i respect that. he approaches the deer, without being seen. how often do you approach huge, wild animals, without being spotted? :D
i find that amazing in itself.
then he fires _one_ shot. deers are powerful animals. they can take a shot, and laugh, so he has to hit the deer right in the torso, puncturing the lungs right through.
Then, when he has one deer, that = a freezer filled up with meat, so naturally, he has no further business interfering with wilderness, and returns home with his loot.
Does he use lead-free ammunition? I wouldn't be keen on eating something that's got lead bullet fragments through it.
And hunters themselves? No large scale, intensive study has been done. But we’re beginning to see research that hints at risk there as well. Tests by the CDC have warned of a risk of elevated level levels from eating game. A 2009 PLoS ONE study involved feeding venison contaminated with lead ammunition fragments (also identified by isotope analysis) to pigs. The pigs developed recognizable signs of lead exposure. “At risk in the U.S. are some ten million hunters, their families, and low-income beneficiaries of venison donations,” the authors warned. Both federal and state agencies are starting to distribute risk information on lead ammunition for hunters who use their lands.
It's the fish-isn't-meat crowd that pisses me off.
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Does he use lead-free ammunition? I wouldn't be keen on eating something that's got lead bullet fragments through it.
And hunters themselves? No large scale, intensive study has been done. But we’re beginning to see research that hints at risk there as well. Tests by the CDC have warned of a risk of elevated level levels from eating game. A 2009 PLoS ONE study involved feeding venison contaminated with lead ammunition fragments (also identified by isotope analysis) to pigs. The pigs developed recognizable signs of lead exposure. “At risk in the U.S. are some ten million hunters, their families, and low-income beneficiaries of venison donations,” the authors warned. Both federal and state agencies are starting to distribute risk information on lead ammunition for hunters who use their lands.
It's the fish-isn't-meat crowd that pisses me off.
I dont know, but considering he's shooting deer, i am imagining that he is using copper jacketed rifle ammunition :I
And yes, when people do the "fish isnt meat" thats when theyre deep into "belief realm". In "belief realm" nothing works, logic is dead. this is where jesus walks on water and whatnot. once they are "believers", they are a lost cause.
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My brothers both hunt, one of them hunts a lot and even I have gone a couple times but it's not something I find all that interesting . They go for both deer and birds and will eat what ever they get and have eaten both squirrel and pigeon. Deer in Ct are mostly hunted with Bow or shotgun mostly because you don't need as much land to do it on. As far as dogs go the are mostly used to point out the birds then flush them from the thickets in duck hunting they retrieve the kill. Some places require non lead shot but lead is still common but I would not be all that concerned about eating the meat that was killed with lead shot.
As to vegetarians I feel differently about them depending on their motivation to do it and there consistency with it. I tire quickly of the be kind to animal types especially when they have leather shoes, the same goes for the heath nut ones that always look somewhat sickly to me and preach about it.
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As to vegetarians I feel differently about them depending on their motivation to do it and there consistency with it. I tire quickly of the be kind to animal types especially when they have leather shoes, the same goes for the heath nut ones that always look somewhat sickly to me and preach about it.
sigh.. theyre always so uncreative :D
i have a strict veggie in my extended family, not related. but its visible from far away. im amazed her skeleton even holds together, and im _genuinely_ worried to touch her, because im afraid ill tear her skin off, or break her or something...
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^ That is the kind of hunting i respect. :viking:
It is 'man' (or woman lol) at the top of the food chain and using his skill to feed his family. Rich or poor.
I just wanted to distance myself from fox hunting. Say 'hunting' here, and it is the first thing people think of. I loathe that sport. I don't like anything that reinforces a 'class structure' like that anyway, but i also think it is barbaric.
English aristocrats aren't BRAVE! :arrr:
No, they are loathsome creatures.
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Vegetarians are ridiculous. I'm a vegan. You shouldn't let what other people do in the privacy of their own homes bother you so much.
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Vegetarians are ridiculous. I'm a vegan. You shouldn't let what other people do in the privacy of their own homes bother you so much.
If it only were so well.
You are free to both be a vegan, and to tell me that you are one. Just like a buddhist is free to be a buddhist, and tell me that he is a buddhist.
I just get pissed off if the buddhist begins to rationale why he has made the right choise, while i have not.
We've all heard christians tell us how they only mean the best for us, "i dont want you to go to hell :0 please believe in jesus!"
I just got another long wall of text on my fb wall, not directed at me, but still, a big guilt-trippy rant directed at everyone who eats meat, and i just had to vent a bit again :I
and come on
i also hate when vegetarians think "meat eaters" only ever eat meat, bathe in meat, dress meat, live for and worship meat.
i eat red meat like 5-6 time a year :I
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So what you meant to say was "self-righteous blowhards always piss me off"
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So what you meant to say was "self-righteous blowhards always piss me off"
Sure.
They each get their turn
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Vegetarians and vegans who eat for health reasons, or because they find meat disgusting/get sick from it etc. I have no problem with.
Vegetarians and vegans who eat for pious, utterly nonsense and political reasons while shoving their views down people's throats are the ones I have problems with. Frankly these kind should shove a carrot up their arseholes and kill themselves.
Sadly for vegans, 99% of them are the latter. Vegetarians usually are 50/50.
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I got no problem with people eating whatever! Many grey areas, but a couple of things i just find wrong:
Farmers who feed vegetarian animals meat products. That is evil. :thumbdn:
flip side
Pet owners who try to force naturally carnivorous animals their vegetarian diet. Dogs are not true carnivores but cats are. :thumbdn:
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Zegh, It's a great pleasure to piss you off.
Some people are so delightfully sensitive about what they, or others eat.
:hyke:
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Zegh, It's a great pleasure to piss you off.
Some people are so delightfully sensitive about what they, or others eat.
:hyke:
But you havent pissed me off :D
I guess i shoulda pointed out that it is those that _let me know_ of all their sanctamoneous reasons - because that in itself implies that i am a bad person, even if they try to not make it sound that way, its the guilt trip theyre going for.
i havent heard it from you, so you are excused.
now, you could always mention it now, and ill throw you right in with all the annoying bastards >:I
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Zegh, It's a great pleasure to piss you off.
Some people are so delightfully sensitive about what they, or others eat.
:hyke:
But you havent pissed me off :D
I guess i shoulda pointed out that it is those that _let me know_ of all their sanctamoneous reasons - because that in itself implies that i am a bad person, even if they try to not make it sound that way, its the guilt trip theyre going for.
i havent heard it from you, so you are excused.
now, you could always mention it now, and ill throw you right in with all the annoying bastards >:I
It's just funny to piss people off with what I eat.
Vegetarians and non vegetarians alike btw. People can react so funny.
Me not being a vegetarian out of vehement principle annoys both some vegetarians, and some meat eaters.
Hunters seem to be the least judgemental about my choice of food, percentage wise. :laugh:
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Cows are plants! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgEHZQg7BCw#ws)
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animals have but one right. and that is the right to be tasty.
i lurve the internets
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Fox hunting is just outright fucking wrong. Its banned here, although the law isn't properly enforced. The pigs are too afraid of offending the 'rights' and 'culture' of the shit-eating toffs involved in such barbarism.
Personally I think the filth need to slap those toffee-nosed snobs down so hard they end up in the next bloody century, and feed THEM to the dogs. Do I fuck have time for vermin who's idea of fun is inflicting misery and cruelty on defenseless animals in the name of 'sport'
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have you seen the film 'bloodied' its about a group of fox hunters who are captured and hunted?
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Cows are plants! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgEHZQg7BCw#ws)
:zoinks:
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No bodie, I haven't. If there is one thing I hate, its animal cruelty. I'd just love to turn the tables on animal abusers, and stuff THEM in cages, experiment on them, and run them into the dirt with packs of hungry dogs, see how they like it.
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So what you meant to say was "self-righteous blowhards always piss me off"
I see what you did there.
Else, you accidentally made the point I wanted to make, much more succinctly than I could think to.
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Zegh, It's a great pleasure to piss you off.
Some people are so delightfully sensitive about what they, or others eat.
:hyke:
But you havent pissed me off :D
I guess i shoulda pointed out that it is those that _let me know_ of all their sanctamoneous reasons - because that in itself implies that i am a bad person, even if they try to not make it sound that way, its the guilt trip theyre going for.
i havent heard it from you, so you are excused.
now, you could always mention it now, and ill throw you right in with all the annoying bastards >:I
It's just funny to piss people off with what I eat.
Vegetarians and non vegetarians alike btw. People can react so funny.
Me not being a vegetarian out of vehement principle annoys both some vegetarians, and some meat eaters.
Hunters seem to be the least judgemental about my choice of food, percentage wise. :laugh:
It always amazed me how ridiculously pissed people would get at me for being a vegetarian when I was one. I never preached. I never put my choices on other people. Seemed to me I was always the one getting preached at.
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It always amazed me how ridiculously pissed people would get at me for being a vegetarian when I was one. I never preached. I never put my choices on other people. Seemed to me I was always the one getting preached at.
It fucks with their carnism. There is a delicate line between their dog and their food that requires intentional numbing of their feelings and their senses in order to continue with the practice. When they run into people who have abandoned that distinction it pisses them off because it flies in the face of their carefully constructed fiction. I had a good friend who stopped talking to me when I quit smoking - same thing.
http://schott.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/carnism/ (http://schott.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/carnism/)
http://www.carnism.com/carnism.htm (http://www.carnism.com/carnism.htm)
There, I got preachy. I can join the ranks of the people who piss you off Zegh :zoinks:
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I don't think anyone is stating that simply having a different choice of food will piss him off. It's the attitude really.
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But all PC idiots preach. That's one of the things that make them PC in the first place.
(I preach too, sometimes, but I'm at least aware of it.)
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But all PC idiots preach. That's one of the things that make them PC in the first place.
(I preach too, sometimes, but I'm at least aware of it.)
PC = preachy?
Maybe it means something different here and there.
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Politically correct ;)
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Politically correct ;)
Right. Politically correct really just means that which is in the absence of being politically incorrect. It's politically incorrect to call someone a fag or a nigger, so I don't do so. My choosing not to use politically incorrect language doesn't automatically make me preachy, as I can't think of a single time I have ever made a speech about the use of derogatory terminology.
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Has the irony of being preachy about how all vegetarians suck because they are all preachy been explicitly pointed out, yet? And has it been labeled prejudiced or bigoted yet? Also, has a reference to hitler or nazis been made yet, and, has anyone's diagnosis been questioned yet?
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Ooooh, Elle, you are so on topic here.
Hitler was a vegetarian, and some say he was an aspie too, where as others question that.
That's two out of three.
:autism:
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Has the irony of being preachy about how all vegetarians suck because they are all preachy been explicitly pointed out, yet? And has it been labeled prejudiced or bigoted yet? Also, has a reference to hitler or nazis been made yet, and, has anyone's diagnosis been questioned yet?
Has pulling a strawman being pointed out yet? I think it's obvious he's not speaking about all vegetarians.
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Ooooh, Elle, you are so on topic here.
Hitler was a vegetarian, and some say he was an aspie too, where as others question that.
That's two out of three.
:autism:
TOTALLY
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Pueeeeeeellla! :arrr:
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Has the irony of being preachy about how all vegetarians suck because they are all preachy been explicitly pointed out, yet? And has it been labeled prejudiced or bigoted yet? Also, has a reference to hitler or nazis been made yet, and, has anyone's diagnosis been questioned yet?
Has pulling a strawman being pointed out yet? I think it's obvious he's not speaking about all vegetarians.
Clearly. By "always" what he really meant was "sometimes certain ones". :autism:
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It's bad wording, but the message is clear. We're talking about a Norweejit here. :zoinks:
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I think my fellow Scandinavian is :viking:
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Pueeeeeeellla! :arrr:
me thinks you're thinking of different kinds of flesh. :zoinks:
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No, no, "puella" is Latin for "girl/wench".
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No, no, "puella" is Latin for "girl/wench".
I know. :D That's why I called it a different kind of flesh. Not the flesh meant for eating.
Done some Latin this year, so, have refreshed quite a bit of my vocabulary, and have understood more grammar than ever before.
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I wonder if I made this very thread, but I also clarify that this only applies to the self-righteous types. Would I get the same response?
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I wonder if I made this very thread, but I also clarify that this only applies to the self-righteous types. Would I get the same response?
One way to find out.
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Has the irony of being preachy about how all vegetarians suck because they are all preachy been explicitly pointed out, yet? And has it been labeled prejudiced or bigoted yet? Also, has a reference to hitler or nazis been made yet, and, has anyone's diagnosis been questioned yet?
Has pulling a strawman being pointed out yet? I think it's obvious he's not speaking about all vegetarians.
Clearly. By "always" what he really meant was "sometimes certain ones". :autism:
Because always always means some. Right?
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Semper significat semper, pueeeeeeella! :arrr:
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Semper significat semper, pueeeeeeella! :arrr:
Heus, modo itera omnia quae mihi nunc nuper narravisti, sed nunc Anglice?
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Quid Anglice? :P
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Lingua speciem involutam praebet, sed sat cito eam comprehendes.
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Cognito Latina, ergo scribo Latina 8)
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Cogito ergo sum.
Actually,
Cogito ergo doleo.
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Cognito, puella mea 8)
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Fac ut vivas. :autism:
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Erro? Vere? :asthing:
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I wonder if I made this very thread, but I also clarify that this only applies to the self-righteous types. Would I get the same response?
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I would have laughed at you too, so, yes.
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# Animals and plants are _not_ separate. They hail from the exact same chain of evolution as everything else. It's like saying "its okay to eat tigers, but NOT lions. Lions are separate! Lions have a life, emotions, feelings!"
Animals and plants are ONE: They are Eukaryotes.
# Vegetarians OFTEN eat fungi. Fungi are Opisthokonts. What is an Opisthokont, you ask? It's an organism that is either an animal or a fungus. Fungis are closely related to animals. But Vegetarians are often not very well educated in these matters, so its not really important to them. It's the health-cult that matters - not actual biology.
# Plants are much more complex than Vegetarians think. Vegetarians always automatically assume plants are the better choise, but always do so comparing to animals. So... why must plants suffer? Plants have bodies. Plants have organs (Skin is an organ. The nervous system is an organ. Body parts, etc,)
Plants have soft and hard tissues, they have body-fluids. Open up an orange, and tell me the inside is made purely for human consuption. What you are looking at on the gooey, watery inside of an orange is - the ripped open, grotesque inside of an innocent plant that never asked to be ripped open in the first place.
Thats the biggest delusion of all - the idea that plants are automatically food. I bet veggies imagine potatoes dropping from the sky. Potatoes arent the round little ball that belongs on your dinner table.
This is a potato:
(http://www.duke.edu/~jspippen/plants/ipomoea-pandurata060825-4482cstlhaynez.jpg)
A wild one at that.
Or should i say FREE?
The potato is a plant, with green leafs, who want nothing more than to sit in peace, drink the rain, bathe in the sun, and grow big and strong. it has NO ambitions of being decapitated, with half of its body discarded as garbage, and its water-organ (root) to be boiled and eaten by foreign creatures.
Vegetarians should shut the fucking motherfucking fuck up about their righteousness "you eat animals. you are cruel. i eat plants. i am glorious. 2+2=5"
it makes no logical sense.
it is the result of cult-thinking.
quit it.
If you were a woman i'd propose, dude. Seriously. :thumbup:
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Yes, Rage also gets very angry at people who don't eat the same things he does. Maybe you two should start a club. You could begin with a weekly newsletter to ensure that you are both eating the same thing at the same time. Coordinating time zones might get tricky, but if you are really dedicated to your cause you can find a way to make it work :viking:
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perosnally I dont give a fuck what anybody else eats. its your body not mine, however.
MLA eats my ass on a daily basis, this could account for him being a dumbass. :laugh:
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Yes, Rage also gets very angry at people who don't eat the same things he does. Maybe you two should start a club. You could begin with a weekly newsletter to ensure that you are both eating the same thing at the same time. Coordinating time zones might get tricky, but if you are really dedicated to your cause you can find a way to make it work :viking:
Too much hastle mr smartypants, i stopped caring long ago.
I am eating potato chips now.
Considering rolling a joint.
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^ potato chips
do you mean crisps?
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^ potato chips
do you mean crisps?
*squint*
im NOT an american >:I
what type of english i use is none of your damn concern, i am a foreigner >:I i can maltreat english any way i fuckin feel like >:I
and no, I'm eating potetgull >:I
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:o
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perosnally I dont give a fuck what anybody else eats. its your body not mine, however.
MLA eats my ass on a daily basis, this could account for him being a dumbass. :laugh:
Tastes like chicken :zoinks:
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:o
:M
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Hehe, ten years of English in school but thirty years of American movies, being on the internet etc makes me too use AE sometimes.
In some cases I think American is better. The Brits spell "litre", while the Yanks spell "liter", just like Swedish.
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??? They might do A to Zeeee instead of A to Zed, i think they do math and not maths, and they are funny when they say aluminium - but,
i personally love the planks.
They managed to preserve a perfectly good bulldog, while we turned it into a deformed, absurd looking curiosity that struggles to breathe and can't even whelp itself! Thank you America.
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they are funny when they say aluminium
We don't spell it with that extra, unnecessary i either :hahaha:
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It's pronounced differently over there, right? As "al-lu-min-num"?
We pronounce it as "al-you-min-ium". :zoinks:
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PC people don't always have to preach. They are what they are, regardless.
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I like being incredible rude and belligerent to pc people.
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They won't understand why you are being so mean.
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They won't understand why you are being so mean.
I know. ;)
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Yes, Rage also gets very angry at people who don't eat the same things he does. Maybe you two should start a club. You could begin with a weekly newsletter to ensure that you are both eating the same thing at the same time. Coordinating time zones might get tricky, but if you are really dedicated to your cause you can find a way to make it work :viking:
I get angry at humans for trying to be rabbits, yeah. You know full well its stupid, but do it anyway to feel a part of something. Be yourself, man.
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Yes, Rage also gets very angry at people who don't eat the same things he does. Maybe you two should start a club. You could begin with a weekly newsletter to ensure that you are both eating the same thing at the same time. Coordinating time zones might get tricky, but if you are really dedicated to your cause you can find a way to make it work :viking:
I get angry at humans for trying to be rabbits, yeah. You know full well its stupid, but do it anyway to feel a part of something. Be yourself, man.
That is unless they start fucking like rabbits. I'm sure you'd approve of that. :zoinks:
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;)
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Yes, Rage also gets very angry at people who don't eat the same things he does. Maybe you two should start a club. You could begin with a weekly newsletter to ensure that you are both eating the same thing at the same time. Coordinating time zones might get tricky, but if you are really dedicated to your cause you can find a way to make it work :viking:
I get angry at humans for trying to be rabbits, yeah. You know full well its stupid, but do it anyway to feel a part of something. Be yourself, man.
That doesn't even make sense Rage. I think you just love conformity, I can't actually believe that you are that concerned with what I do and don't eat :M
Being a "part of something"? I don't belong to a vegan club or something like that. I don't do clubs for obvious reasons :laugh:
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I don't get why americans call crisps chips.
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:M Self-righteous, preachy, uppity, pc people always piss me off.
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I don't get why Americans care so fucking much about the royal family. I don't even understand why Brits care.
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:M Self-righteous, preachy, uppity, pc people always piss me off.
lol
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I don't get why americans call crisps chips.
It is confusing.
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I don't get why americans call crisps chips.
I don't get why Brits call fries chips! :dunno:
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I don't get why Americans care so fucking much about the royal family. I don't even understand why Brits care.
You
don't
like
me?
:bigcry: sniff, sniff
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haha cbc we dont call fries chips - they are both different. when i go mcdonalds for example i get fries. chips arent fries. but they also definitely are not crisps :P
pms elle - i dnt get the royal family shit either. try living here, its fuking awful!
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altho i do think pipa midleton is hot
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I don't get why Americans care so fucking much about the royal family. I don't even understand why Brits care.
You
don't
like
me?
:bigcry: sniff, sniff
Awww, I love 4'11" monarchs. :hug:
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haha cbc we dont call fries chips - they are both different. when i go mcdonalds for example i get fries. chips arent fries. but they also definitely are not crisps :P
Maybe British chips = American steak fries! :idea:
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I don't get why Americans care so fucking much about the royal family. I don't even understand why Brits care.
One of the weirdest things is that Swedish social democrats usually like the Swedish royal family as well. A social democrat is theoretically against everything that that concept stands for.
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I don't care about what humans eat. What angers me is vegetarians/vegans forcing their carnivore pets to be vegetarian/vegan too.
http://www.peta.org/living/companion-animals/vegetarian-cats-and-dogs.aspx (http://www.peta.org/living/companion-animals/vegetarian-cats-and-dogs.aspx)
.This is animal abuse IMO. They are not made to be eating only vegetables. Why the hell do they require so many damn supplements with a vegetarian/vegan diet?
It is because they weren't meant to be eating that type of diet!
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Don't see them going out and trying to convert tigers/sharks/etc. to be vegetarian/vegan. They'll probably get chewed alive! :LOL:
Such arrogance to assume us humans are "above" being animals when in reality we're pomped up hairless apes. We ARE animals, no ifs or buts. The only difference between us humans and other animals when it comes to obtaining food is that we've got really bloody good at it. We have the technology to wipe out entire species very quickly for food, and learned methods to sustain it if needed (ie. cattle farming). When it's pointed out that the way we do it is "unnatural", it really rings alarm bells in my BS meter. What we do IS natural as we gained our ability through natural means. After all, it all stems from making tools to help us defend ourselves from other predators. To be unnatural would be to fabricate shit with black magic and conjure up the undead, or something along the lines of that.
I will bet you that if any other animal that evolved to the level of intelligence etc. we humans have, they will most likely do the same. Some of those animals will then become vegetarian/vegan for wanky political reasons, try and convince others they're wrong and that they're not supposed to eat meat. Both will bicker and moan at each other. You get the idea.
On a somewhat related note, I found an excellent quote. I like to think it refers to the possible result of humans trying to censor/ban etc. for their own political agenda in order to make a "better world":
"1,000 years from now there will be no guys and no girls, just wankers. "
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Hear hear. :thumbup:
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A relative of mine asked me if vegetarians tasted good.
Told her that the ones I nibbled on were delicious. 8)
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A relative of mine asked me if vegetarians tasted good.
Told her that the ones I nibbled on were delicious. 8)
I actually heard a guy opine before that vegetarian girls actually do taste better, during certain, err, activities. He tends to say random stuff for attention, though (I recently told him he is my favorite pathological liar :laugh:).
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A relative of mine asked me if vegetarians tasted good.
Told her that the ones I nibbled on were delicious. 8)
I actually heard a guy opine before that vegetarian girls actually do taste better, during certain, err, activities. He tends to say random stuff for attention, though (I recently told him he is my favorite pathological liar :laugh:).
^you are what you eat?
humans taste kinda like flesh (lick skin, it tastes like skin! i never get over that. people have a taste :D)
but thats mainly cus were made of it
but i have no doubt that a certain diet will add a certain aroma to our bodies :I
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Actually we are mostly made of water, so I can evaporate?
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Given a high enough temperature, sure. :autism:
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Actually we are mostly made of water, so I can evaporate?
Given a high enough temperature, sure. :autism:
Bullshit! I say we could stack wood around Rage pour gasoline on the pile and he wouldn't evaporate. We should try this experiment. :zoinks:
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Indeed. I will donate my body to science. Commence the experiment.
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Indeed. I will donate my body to science. Commence the experiment.
The number of people wanting to donate their body to science skyrocketed here. They now have put a stop on the possibility, for a while.
Maybe I can donate the remains of me, after organ harvesting, because I am donating them, to a cat food factory. :hyke:
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Actually we are mostly made of water, so I can evaporate?
Given a high enough temperature, sure. :autism:
Bullshit! I say we could stack wood around Rage pour gasoline on the pile and he wouldn't evaporate. We should try this experiment. :zoinks:
Would it be hot enough?
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Actually we are mostly made of water, so I can evaporate?
Given a high enough temperature, sure. :autism:
Bullshit! I say we could stack wood around Rage pour gasoline on the pile and he wouldn't evaporate. We should try this experiment. :zoinks:
Would it be hot enough?
Yes, with a flame applied to the gasoline vapors it would be hot enough. Do it for science! :nerdy:
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Actually we are mostly made of water, so I can evaporate?
Given a high enough temperature, sure. :autism:
Bullshit! I say we could stack wood around Rage pour gasoline on the pile and he wouldn't evaporate. We should try this experiment. :zoinks:
Would it be hot enough?
Yes, with a flame applied to the gasoline vapors it would be hot enough. Do it for science! :nerdy:
Such a noble cause!
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