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Title: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 06:36:06 AM
not a "if you dont agree with me you are wrong and so dont share unpopular opinions or else " website ?   
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 06:39:53 AM
I see this.
If i say something others disagree with I expect they will question it and i will answer it and visa versa.
They may argue, and i may argue.
We may concede to a better understanding or not.
We may learn a different point of view or try to reason why we do not think a particular point is relevant, clever, or in line with what we think.

is this what you mean? (Seems to have been this way as long as i have been here)
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
no that is not what i mean. i mean that free speech means that except for illegal activity people should be able to have an opinion on something without having to write a book defending their right to say it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 06:48:54 AM
no that is not what i mean. i mean that free speech means that except for illegal activity people should be able to have an opinion on something without having to write a book defending their right to say it.

So people also would have a right (under free site and being in a forum) to interact and share, question, ask, explain and try to understand? Anything less would be a bunch of people writing disjointed and unrelated streams of consciousness, right?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 06:50:48 AM
only if they want to. thats not the case here. you are kinda forced to here
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 06:57:30 AM
only if they want to. thats not the case here. you are kinda forced to here

I see. So what you believe this site should be is rather a free site where people are allowed to post opinions but others ought to not contest or question or such opinion.
So opinion A may be 'I think X" but the person who's opinion B is "I think Y because of the opinion A saying about X" is invalid even though it too is an opinion in its own right?
Doesn't sound like it really makes a point about the title of this thread. In fact it seems to promote the opposite.

In my opinion of course.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 06:59:51 AM
that is not what i said. for the tenth time today stop putting words in my mouth you facist
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 07:04:01 AM
thats another thing about this place that is an affront to freedom... no matter what you do say a facist like al or ppk will put words in your mouth
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 07:11:33 AM
I am not a Fascist. I know that you respect the right to an opinion and i am making mine from what I see and from what I can comprehend from what you say. I do not even say i am right in this. It is just what i can understand from what you say.
As for freedom? What affront?
You think or feel something then by all means put it out there on i2. You are "free' to do so. You disagree with someone then say so. You are free to do so.
If someone feels the same they can too. If you disagree with them they can disagree with you .

Welcome to freedom of speech and/or fascism...whichever way you choose to look at it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 07:19:41 AM
why dont you just tell me what words you are trying to put in my mouth so i can just fucking say it so you can "win" and i dont have to read any more essays ok ?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 07:30:59 AM
why dont you just tell me what words you are trying to put in my mouth so i can just fucking say it so you can "win" and i dont have to read any more essays ok ?

I am not trying to put any words into your mouth. I am trying to undertand what you are saying and why you are saying it. It makes no sense to me
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: P7PSP on March 08, 2012, 07:41:07 AM
that is not what i said. for the tenth time today stop putting words in my mouth you facist
http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism (http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism) From the word fasces, fasces were a symbol of authority used to identify certain officials of the Roman Empire. When have Sir_Les or myself promulgated such a system of government eris?

Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 07:49:29 AM
it is also an idea. one you know well
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: P7PSP on March 08, 2012, 07:55:33 AM
it is also an idea. one you know well
Is that the best you can do? If so you could have saved money on your degree and graduated with a degree in Dental Assisting* from Bryman College.


*Not intended as a slight to those smart enough to spend their time and money on learning Dental Assisting.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 08:03:17 AM
it was the best i could do with what little you gave me. oooh a definition. how scary :3
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 08, 2012, 09:04:20 AM
no that is not what i mean. i mean that free speech means that except for illegal activity people should be able to have an opinion on something without having to write a book defending their right to say it.

What force are people using in order to force you to write a book?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 09:07:35 AM
does it have to be force ?  i say it is more that you wont get in the clique if you dont follow lots of unwritten rules
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 08, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
Hell no it doesn't have to be force. There's totally a clique and lots of unwritten rules about what you have to do in order to get certain reactions from it. No argument there.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
What clique?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 08, 2012, 09:25:38 AM
It kinda changes over time but polarizes during arguments. My saying that was also to acknowledge that yes, there are unwritten rules that affect the dynamics of things.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
It kinda changes over time but polarizes during arguments. My saying that was also to acknowledge that yes, there are unwritten rules that affect the dynamics of things.

One thing I see is the law of the jungle and sometimes this is not a good thing. But there is a fainess of sorts in it too.
I do not see the unwritten rule thing. I do think that some times saying something (and generally the types of things you would know would go down badly with all and sundry) can some times make you consider whether you should say them or not. They can put people offside or upset people. I tend to not reflect too much. I do regret sometimes saying shit. I don't see these things as unwritten rules as much as bad form though. Some times theese things are shit-stirring and sometimes really nasty. That is if you are thinking of the same types of things i am.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 08, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
*sighs* I was going to bite my lip on this one, but frankly I find there's no choice.

To be honest Eris, you are playing a bit of a victim card. No one is at your throat over what you say, even though personally I think Les and PPK are complete arse-lickers. Granted i2 is a shit forum that does not fufill it's pretenses, but to me it really does seem like you nitpick and fabricate justification all while making passive aggressive, vague posts that whine about "everyone" (ie. your recent callout thread). Now you're going around and spouting shit like "facist" to anyone who doesn't agree with you. Don't tell me I'm putting words in your mouth, you said it right there on this thread.

For example, to me it really does seem like you only really called s2 a "troll haven" because I refused to take action on pig. No one trolled you on there, not even pig. You never said anything directly to me, or even raised it as any sort of issue. Yet you went on here and bitched about how the place sucked. You could've PMed me and I would have been welcome to take criticism, or have an honest talk on MSN. I wouldn't have laughed, I wouldn't have got pissed off, after all you should know by now what kind of person I am when it comes to people I like. You acted like s2 did some really godawful thing to you when in reality the matter was barely trivial. You don't like certain members there? That's your fucking problem, not mine.

I liked you as a person and a friend, yet as of late you've pretty much pissed me off with your attitude. Fucking grow up.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 10:17:14 AM
right shleed. this is obviously about you. lol. and spacticity was a troll haven. dont blame me because your forum failed
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 10:19:42 AM
and i never asked you to take action against pig so how could you have refused to ?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 10:22:54 AM
to be perfectly clear i called it a troll haven because it was populated by trolls who constantly talked about trolling
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
so schleed you are saying that i am not supposed to critisize your shitty forum for sucking ? that makes you the worst hypocrite of all. that was supposed to be the anything goes forum. i guess that is only if they agree with you. facist
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Phallacy on March 08, 2012, 10:38:41 AM
Not that Schleed deleted his forum or anything. :orly:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
that must be my fault for hurting all the trolls feelings by calling it a troll haven
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 08, 2012, 01:40:21 PM
right shleed. this is obviously about you. lol. and spacticity was a troll haven. dont blame me because your forum failed

so schleed you are saying that i am not supposed to critisize your shitty forum for sucking ? that makes you the worst hypocrite of all. that was supposed to be the anything goes forum. i guess that is only if they agree with you. facist

and i never asked you to take action against pig so how could you have refused to ?

And you're complaining about people putting words in your mouth? Who's the hypocrite now?
I never said it was your fault for s2's closing, in fact it actually wasn't. I already stated my reasons on why I did close it, but that's obviously not about this topic - as you said, it isn't about me.

The reason why I used what you said about s2 in my last post because it's an example of how you act. I don't care if people said it was shit (as EBM and others said similar), I already stated regarding to you in my last post:
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You could've PMed me and I would have been welcome to take criticism, or have an honest talk on MSN.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 08, 2012, 03:42:12 PM
no that is not what i mean. i mean that free speech means that except for illegal activity people should be able to have an opinion on something without having to write a book defending their right to say it.

I don't understand what you mean. If someone challenges your opinions and you feel that you have to defend your right to free speech at some length in order to reply, are you saying that your rights have been taken away? That, in spite of neither of you being stopped or hindered in any way, only challenged, it's no longer free speech?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 08, 2012, 11:03:37 PM
aw so i see schleed has joined ppk and al following me aroud being assholes. great fuckin website ya got here. four days
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 09, 2012, 01:51:48 AM
You're acting like the arsehole here. Facist. :zoinks:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 09, 2012, 02:01:30 AM
aw so i see schleed has joined ppk and al following me aroud being assholes. great fuckin website ya got here. four days

Would you prefer a moderated one?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: eris on March 09, 2012, 02:33:59 AM
yes. i would prefer it to have written rules over unwritten expectations
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 09, 2012, 04:14:46 AM
I don't think any of this is about S2 or i2 or even individuals here.

This is about how eris is feeling. I never really understood emotional dialogue all that well. Perhaps I am misreading this.

Eris feels upset, frightened, beset upon, and frustrated. More than a little angry too.

So she is venting. She has a right to feeling shitty about things and feeling what she feels. She is lashing out at things in a want of some control in a forum she feels controlled by Pig. Stalking is shit like that. You can not stop it, minimise it, time it, or let it do anything but undermine you. So why would she not feel angry or try to put this anger where there is some effect, rather than on Pig?

Any disagreement or questioning what she is saying will be to her like denouncing her feelings and not about the subject at hand. She therfore reacts strongly.

That is my reading and i may have it completely wrong.

As for me? I see why Eris is upset and it makes sense. A lot more than the fascism, moral superiority, arseholes having tea parties, s2 - troll haven or whatever. All I really wanted to know. It makes sense. I would help her if I could too. As it is I don't know how , so instead i will watch her vent and see her go and feel shittier for it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 09, 2012, 04:24:02 AM
...even though personally I think Les and PPK are complete arse-lickers.

Wow, I always thought highly of you though Shleed.  :autism:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 09, 2012, 07:13:42 AM
yes. i would prefer it to have written rules over unwritten expectations

Not sure what the expectations are, in this case.

I don't think any of this is about S2 or i2 or even individuals here.

This is about how eris is feeling. I never really understood emotional dialogue all that well. Perhaps I am misreading this.

Eris feels upset, frightened, beset upon, and frustrated. More than a little angry too.

So she is venting. She has a right to feeling shitty about things and feeling what she feels. She is lashing out at things in a want of some control in a forum she feels controlled by Pig. Stalking is shit like that. You can not stop it, minimise it, time it, or let it do anything but undermine you. So why would she not feel angry or try to put this anger where there is some effect, rather than on Pig?

Any disagreement or questioning what she is saying will be to her like denouncing her feelings and not about the subject at hand. She therfore reacts strongly.

That is my reading and i may have it completely wrong.

As for me? I see why Eris is upset and it makes sense. A lot more than the fascism, moral superiority, arseholes having tea parties, s2 - troll haven or whatever. All I really wanted to know. It makes sense. I would help her if I could too. As it is I don't know how , so instead i will watch her vent and see her go and feel shittier for it.

I would very much like to help her, too, but I don't know how or even if she wants my help. I'm sort of confused because I get mixed signals. Or maybe it's just me being a spazz.

I would much prefer her to stay. I understand her leaving has something to do with Pig and quite possibly others but don't know what to do. Or if I'm expected to do something and don't.

What I don't want to do is to turn this into a moderated forum.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 09, 2012, 10:19:39 AM
We can acknowledge the expectations without turning it into a moderated forum. The expectations change all the time anyway, fluid the way social dynamics change. To attempt to codify them into written rules would be to chase after reality always one step behind, as we argued and debated on how the rules actually ought to be written down. By the time they were codified they would be out of date.

But we're still aspers and we still like to know what's expected.

The other thing is that everyone has a different set of rules of behavior that work for them. My personal rules are drastically different from, say, Odeon's. The ability to make them work in tandem, rather than perpetually being at each other's throats, has been a very long time coming. And that multiplies exponentially as you consider the number of people here and the number of potential pairings or groupings. The old refrain "you're a clique!" is true, but only in the vaguest most general sense. Even in a clique, the rules always change, members join and drop out and get kicked out according to a constantly shifting game. That's what makes it so hard to define "the clique is Odeon and Callaway and Les" or "the clique is Butterflies and Squiddy" or "the clique is who the hell knows today". Patterns come to light over time, but they're not set in stone.

But when a person is in crisis or having strong emotions then the brain loses the ability to interpret complex patterns. That's how wars (and politics  :P ) get polarized so easily. It's easier to look for a simple rule like "we're the good guys and they're the bad guys" or "free speech FTW! down with all authority!" or "all free speech is a lie!"

I see Eris looking for rules and structure, and getting confused when it seems to change every time someone says something else. Isn't that the classic asper thing though? We've all been there. This is an environment where you can explore making your own rules and acting on them and seeing how well it works. It can be hard to stick around, I know I've left at times, there was that period where I was gone for two years or so because I had to experiment with a more structured and moderated environment. So I'll be sad to see Eris go but I understand it and I hope we'll see her back some day.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: El on March 09, 2012, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: Intensity's front page
You have found INTENSITY², the autistic spectrum site everyone loves to hate.

We stand for freedom of expression, combative debate, and the generation of ideas. There are no boundaries here over what may be said, save for one rule - be prepared to back up your words. Or face the wrath of the community.
Seems pretty well-explained already to me.

This isn't about logic, though.  I doubt its even about us.  This is about eris having a meltdown, and not being in logic-mode.  I don't know what's actually happening with her, but she's done some rough stuff to herself in the semi-recent past and may be doing so again.  I wonder this based not just on her behavior- which I think pretty clearly shows her as not being rational right now- but also because she's posting from mobile a lot right now.  (Unless I'm imagining that?)
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Adam on March 09, 2012, 02:22:14 PM
Yeah she's posting from her mobile atm but there's a reason for that - I can't remember what's up with her computer but I remember her posting saying she was stuck just using her phone for a while

I am a bit worried about eris right now tho tbh. I don't know if there is anything I can do.

I don't want you to leave either eris, but maybe you should take a break from this place starting from now. As being around the people here just seems to be making you feel much worse.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: El on March 09, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
I'm going to post a reply in the "main event" thread eris has, because I don't think my reply should be viewable publically.  I know eris will still be able to read it, she still has her account.

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19367.msg869305.html#msg869305 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,19367.msg869305.html#msg869305)
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 09, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
Yeah she's posting from her mobile atm but there's a reason for that - I can't remember what's up with her computer but I remember her posting saying she was stuck just using her phone for a while

I am a bit worried about eris right now tho tbh. I don't know if there is anything I can do.

I am, too. I don't know what to do or if I should do anything, but I am worried.

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I don't want you to leave either eris, but maybe you should take a break from this place starting from now. As being around the people here just seems to be making you feel much worse.

I hope she'll come back. I think we need the positive energy from her (me trying to put into words what I can't, you know what I mean).
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: 'andersom' on March 09, 2012, 05:00:55 PM
We can acknowledge the expectations without turning it into a moderated forum. The expectations change all the time anyway, fluid the way social dynamics change. To attempt to codify them into written rules would be to chase after reality always one step behind, as we argued and debated on how the rules actually ought to be written down. By the time they were codified they would be out of date.

But we're still aspers and we still like to know what's expected.

The other thing is that everyone has a different set of rules of behavior that work for them. My personal rules are drastically different from, say, Odeon's. The ability to make them work in tandem, rather than perpetually being at each other's throats, has been a very long time coming. And that multiplies exponentially as you consider the number of people here and the number of potential pairings or groupings. The old refrain "you're a clique!" is true, but only in the vaguest most general sense. Even in a clique, the rules always change, members join and drop out and get kicked out according to a constantly shifting game. That's what makes it so hard to define "the clique is Odeon and Callaway and Les" or "the clique is Butterflies and Squiddy" or "the clique is who the hell knows today". Patterns come to light over time, but they're not set in stone.

But when a person is in crisis or having strong emotions then the brain loses the ability to interpret complex patterns. That's how wars (and politics  :P ) get polarized so easily. It's easier to look for a simple rule like "we're the good guys and they're the bad guys" or "free speech FTW! down with all authority!" or "all free speech is a lie!"

I see Eris looking for rules and structure, and getting confused when it seems to change every time someone says something else. Isn't that the classic asper thing though? We've all been there. This is an environment where you can explore making your own rules and acting on them and seeing how well it works. It can be hard to stick around, I know I've left at times, there was that period where I was gone for two years or so because I had to experiment with a more structured and moderated environment. So I'll be sad to see Eris go but I understand it and I hope we'll see her back some day.

Quoted, because it is worth repeating.

I love that brain of yours.

Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 10, 2012, 08:49:19 AM
I have read and re-read this over...and I don't understand it. I am not trying to be derisive nor feign stupidity. I just don't get it. I will show you why. I am not trying to dump on it. This is just an attempt for me to get it.

We can acknowledge the expectations without turning it into a moderated forum. (OK what expectations? That members can say what they like but in saying what they like it can piss peopel off or have peopel agree? If they agree they may say so and if they don't they might not? Or that the forum is what we make it and if we are constantly spamming or bitching it makes the atmosphere shitty for all? taht kind of thing)The expectations change all the time anyway, fluid the way social dynamics change. (What expectations have changed or are changing?) To attempt to codify them into written rules would be to chase after reality always one step behind, as we argued and debated on how the rules actually ought to be written down. By the time they were codified they would be out of date. (I understand the theory and theoretically it makes sense and yes it would work against the forum and the forum to become a quagmire of outdated rules. That I get BUT I do not see what these every changing expectations are)

But we're still aspers and we still like to know what's expected. (Absolutely. Rigid Aspies? Yup)

The other thing is that everyone has a different set of rules of behavior that work for them. (Is this personal values and ethics and morality?) My personal rules are drastically different from, say, Odeon's. The ability to make them work in tandem, rather than perpetually being at each other's throats, has been a very long time coming. And that multiplies exponentially as you consider the number of people here and the number of potential pairings or groupings. (Is this saying that if you generally agree with what someone says that you are unlikely to pull them up on something you agree with? I would have thought that this is not grouping you with anyone else nor aligning yourself with anyone but merely you agreeing and I think this is the way it should be. It gives you the argue the claim not the person. I think this is good.)The old refrain "you're a clique!" is true, but only in the vaguest most general sense. (With what I said above, everyone is interacting not as a member of a clique but rather acting at behes of their own opinions whether they agree or not and if they do not they are at liberty to defend against a claim they do not believe in regardless of who said it. Cliques in this setting don't or ought not exist. It doesn't allow the member to back a member because they are favoured but rather means that they fight against what they don't believe in regardless of who holds that view and support a claim regardless of who holds that view) Even in a clique, the rules always change, members join and drop out and get kicked out according to a constantly shifting game. (Not if they are not suppporting a member but supporting views that fit with them. It allows them to defend against any views they do not agree with regardless of the person) That's what makes it so hard to define "the clique is Odeon and Callaway and Les" or "the clique is Butterflies and Squiddy" or "the clique is who the hell knows today". Patterns come to light over time, but they're not set in stone. (I think the difference is the willingness to defend the person not the claim. If a member makes a claim which is outageous or many claims that are outrageous and they are continually backed by mates regardless of the merits of the claim then a clique is rather easier to call than if the claims are sound and supported because they are sound and not because the members like each other. In the event that the claim maker (who may otherwise make rather sound claims) starts making outrageous ones then they OUGHT to be contested by friend and foe alike)

But when a person is in crisis or having strong emotions then the brain loses the ability to interpret complex patterns. That's how wars (and politics  :P ) get polarized so easily. It's easier to look for a simple rule like "we're the good guys and they're the bad guys" or "free speech FTW! down with all authority!" or "all free speech is a lie!" (I think this is what I was trying to say in a post further up...not sure?  :-[ )
I see Eris looking for rules and structure, and getting confused when it seems to change every time someone says something else. (I don't see the changes or the ever changing nature of this...at all) Isn't that the classic asper thing though? We've all been there. (I agree I really can not handle change. What change here though?) This is an environment where you can explore making your own rules and acting on them and seeing how well it works. (I had not even comptemplated this. I tend to post in the same way and with the same expectations and have for 5 years.) It can be hard to stick around, I know I've left at times, there was that period where I was gone for two years or so because I had to experiment with a more structured and moderated environment. So I'll be sad to see Eris go but I understand it and I hope we'll see her back some day. (This I agree with. I dislike seeing her go and if I could physically confront Pig I not only would but would enjoy the opportunity of doing so)

Yup don't get it and perhaps that is just me.  :-[
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 10, 2012, 09:59:10 AM
(OK what expectations? That members can say what they like but in saying what they like it can piss peopel off or have peopel agree? If they agree they may say so and if they don't they might not? Or that the forum is what we make it and if we are constantly spamming or bitching it makes the atmosphere shitty for all? taht kind of thing
Those are all examples, yeah. Or the specific ones like don't slag off people's kids unless you want to get stomped, sockpuppets are looked down on, don't quote things out of the Elders forum, don't quote PM's.

(What expectations have changed or are changing?)
The specific ones didn't used to exist. They generally don't get made until there's a big drama and then people decide going forward, maybe we shouldn't do X.

(Is this personal values and ethics and morality?)
Yes, but also morally neutral things like do you answer if someone says they had a shitty day? How often do you speak logically vs emotionally? Do you derail threads or try to keep them on topic?

(Is this saying that if you generally agree with what someone says that you are unlikely to pull them up on something you agree with? I would have thought that this is not grouping you with anyone else nor aligning yourself with anyone but merely you agreeing and I think this is the way it should be. It gives you the argue the claim not the person. I think this is good.)
I meant there's a lot of potential for different types of conflicts and disagreements. I'm not sure what you mean by if you agree with what someone says that you're unlikely to pull them up on something you agree with. Why would anyone argue with something they agreed with? Unless they were screwing around and playing devil's advocate I guess.

(With what I said above, everyone is interacting not as a member of a clique but rather acting at behes of their own opinions whether they agree or not and if they do not they are at liberty to defend against a claim they do not believe in regardless of who said it. Cliques in this setting don't or ought not exist. It doesn't allow the member to back a member because they are favoured but rather means that they fight against what they don't believe in regardless of who holds that view and support a claim regardless of who holds that view)
I think people who generally agree are often going to be seen as a clique, whether they want to be or not, and it's human nature to treat your friends better in subtle ways. This environment isn't enough to extinguish a behavior that instinctual. That said I do think it's generally a good principle to look at both sides of arguments rather than siding with your friends.

(Not if they are not suppporting a member but supporting views that fit with them. It allows them to defend against any views they do not agree with regardless of the person)
True.

(I think the difference is the willingness to defend the person not the claim. If a member makes a claim which is outageous or many claims that are outrageous and they are continually backed by mates regardless of the merits of the claim then a clique is rather easier to call than if the claims are sound and supported because they are sound and not because the members like each other. In the event that the claim maker (who may otherwise make rather sound claims) starts making outrageous ones then they OUGHT to be contested by friend and foe alike)
Sure.

(I think this is what I was trying to say in a post further up...not sure?  :-[ )
Yeah, it sounds similar.

(I don't see the changes or the ever changing nature of this...at all) (...) (I agree I really can not handle change. What change here though?)
Subtle things, like which members are posting the most, whether there's drama going on in a given moment, who's involved in it. Sometimes people say they're bored and want drama, and they're happy to bring the popcorn, and sometimes people have had enough and just get impatient with it.

(This I agree with. I dislike seeing her go and if I could physically confront Pig I not only would but would enjoy the opportunity of doing so)
I'd bring popcorn.  :P Though I doubt it would last long, he'd shit his pants and run for the hills.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 10, 2012, 10:32:27 AM

Thanks. Was a lot to wade through and I really appreciate you answering.
Just one point as to the expectations. I think such things as posting PM's and Elders information and the like are a bit of a given. Pm's (person messages that are best shared only with the person you are wanting to not post that information publicly) and Elders forum or members only forums are designated as specifically for those areas.
We can't regulate it. Smears against families and such is poor form. I think anyone doing this must know that it will likely be frowned upon. Hell there have been times when I have basically said "OK gloves off and I don't give a shit what people think of my behaviour". but it is with that understanding.
That is not I2 that is morality generally.
I would have thought it more common sense and about decency.
If someone does these things they will not be reprimanded or punished but they will likely piss people off. It depends whether they decide that pissing off people is worth it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 10, 2012, 11:18:59 AM
LOL you don't have to thank me, this shit is one of my obsessions.

There's common sense and decency, sure, but they are sometimes less than common  :P
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pig on March 10, 2012, 12:35:12 PM
(This I agree with. I dislike seeing her go and if I could physically confront Pig I not only would but would enjoy the opportunity of doing so)
I'd bring popcorn.  :P Though I doubt it would last long, he'd shit his pants and run for the hills.
Neither of you know what happened.  I'm the victim.

Edit: In fact, Pyraxis I just put you on my Ignore list. :(  Sorry but you hurt my feelings.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: TA on March 10, 2012, 12:45:30 PM
Playing the victim are we?

Oldest trick in the book.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: TA on March 10, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
Pig, there is no reason to keep sending me PM's full of excuses.

V, if you get the opportunity to read this, I think it would be wise for you and your cohorts to screen people before you send them this way. No BBS needs a mentally unstable liability.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: MutieTom on March 10, 2012, 01:34:14 PM
is mcjagger still round here?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 10, 2012, 01:35:56 PM
Sometimes. He pops up, posts for a while and then disappears.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 10, 2012, 01:46:21 PM
Pig, there is no reason to keep sending me PM's full of excuses.

V, if you get the opportunity to read this, I think it would be wise for you and your cohorts to screen people before you send them this way. No BBS needs a mentally unstable liability.

Your forum at WrongPlanet is FULL of the mentally unstable and you get on with them well. You're just worried about liability.  I know I mentioned filing a suit over there but has nothing to do with your stupid, lunatic, funny farm forum. You do something you shouldn't or cross a line, break the law and you will be sued however. As long as you don't break any laws you have nothing to worry about. Banning autistic people because they don't meet your psychopathic version of aspie isn't against the law. But professionals know the difference so you're not really fooling anyone that matters.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Callaway on March 10, 2012, 01:51:04 PM
Pig, there is no reason to keep sending me PM's full of excuses.

V, if you get the opportunity to read this, I think it would be wise for you and your cohorts to screen people before you send them this way. No BBS needs a mentally unstable liability.

Your forum at WrongPlanet is FULL of the mentally unstable and you get on with them well. You're just worried about liability.  I know I mentioned filing a suit over there but has nothing to do with your stupid, lunatic, funny farm forum. You do something you shouldn't or cross a line, break the law and you will be sued however. As long as you don't break any laws you have nothing to worry about. Banning autistic people because they don't meet your psychopathic version of aspie isn't against the law. But professionals know the difference so you're not really fooling anyone that matters.

Why are you telling TA this?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: MutieTom on March 10, 2012, 02:04:44 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Callaway on March 10, 2012, 02:12:49 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?

I think Meadow used to be Meadow some time ago on WP, but she made a new account as eigerpere and it was also banned. 
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: TA on March 10, 2012, 02:14:14 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?

I rather not say who I am.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Phallacy on March 10, 2012, 02:34:55 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?

I rather not say who I am.

Alex Plank. :orly:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 10, 2012, 02:35:51 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?

I think Meadow used to be Meadow some time ago on WP, but she made a new account as eigerpere and it was also banned.

When does it become your right to single me out of that list and say what my username was out of all the others? I didn't do anything but tell Hyperlexian to carry on then and "whine" with regard to her feminist thread after she had been aggressive and in my face multiple times and wouldn't back off even when asked to all because I made a mild statement of disagreement with her. WP is a hostile environment that insults autistic people all day long every day. It isn't any wonder that autistic people can't handle being around it and ultimately get themselves banned due to all the stress and insults going on there.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: MutieTom on March 10, 2012, 02:48:29 PM
sure wp is welcoming as long your the rights kind of autistic, calm mature personality, job, succesful relationships to speak off.   man im bitter tho.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 10, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
sure wp is welcoming as long your the rights kind of autistic, calm mature personality, job, succesful relationships to speak off.   man im bitter tho.

That isn't really true. I'm very mature. I also speak my mind because I can't in real life about important issues to me being an autistic person and is more what gets me banned. The immature thrive at WP without any trouble at all.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Callaway on March 10, 2012, 03:26:00 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?

I think Meadow used to be Meadow some time ago on WP, but she made a new account as eigerpere and it was also banned.

When does it become your right to single me out of that list and say what my username was out of all the others? I didn't do anything but tell Hyperlexian to carry on then and "whine" with regard to her feminist thread after she had been aggressive and in my face multiple times and wouldn't back off even when asked to all because I made a mild statement of disagreement with her. WP is a hostile environment that insults autistic people all day long every day. It isn't any wonder that autistic people can't handle being around it and ultimately get themselves banned due to all the stress and insults going on there.

I wasn't saying anything about you that you had not publicly posted yourself (with your first post back here, as a matter of fact):

Hyperlexia banned me aka (eigerpere) for  using the word whine in a feminist thread. I honestly don't know what's wrong with saying that. Any feedback welcome.

I can't recall the current WP names of the other two people MutieTom was asking about.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 10, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
who are meadow ta and v on WP?

I think Meadow used to be Meadow some time ago on WP, but she made a new account as eigerpere and it was also banned.

When does it become your right to single me out of that list and say what my username was out of all the others? I didn't do anything but tell Hyperlexian to carry on then and "whine" with regard to her feminist thread after she had been aggressive and in my face multiple times and wouldn't back off even when asked to all because I made a mild statement of disagreement with her. WP is a hostile environment that insults autistic people all day long every day. It isn't any wonder that autistic people can't handle being around it and ultimately get themselves banned due to all the stress and insults going on there.

I wasn't saying anything about you that you had not publicly posted yourself (with your first post back here, as a matter of fact):

Hyperlexia banned me aka (eigerpere) for  using the word whine in a feminist thread. I honestly don't know what's wrong with saying that. Any feedback welcome.

I can't recall the current WP names of the other two people MutieTom was asking about.

You should think about the "fact" that it isn't your right or place to divulge information about anyone who hasn't  given you permission to do so. It's off base to do something like that.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Adam on March 10, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
Yeah! Fuck Callaway! the bitch!  :viking:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: MutieTom on March 10, 2012, 03:58:38 PM
The immature thrive at WP without any trouble at all.

Not anymore.  They just banned me.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 10, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
The immature thrive at WP without any trouble at all.

Not anymore.  They just banned me.

Tampering with another members account, if that's what happened, isn't an issue of maturity, it's an issue of security.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: MutieTom on March 10, 2012, 04:10:15 PM
I think V is confused about that and remembering someone else.  Ive done a lot of wrong on WP but I never hacked.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: midlifeaspie on March 10, 2012, 04:18:27 PM
 :gotowp:
with your boring ass WP drama
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 10, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
:gotowp:
with your boring ass WP drama

 :indeed: :agreed:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 10, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
They were making up crap about me too and know how that goes. If Hyperlexian takes a dislike to you it's enough to warrant a ban as happened in my case also.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 10, 2012, 04:32:26 PM
 :tard:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 10, 2012, 04:42:10 PM
(This I agree with. I dislike seeing her go and if I could physically confront Pig I not only would but would enjoy the opportunity of doing so)
I'd bring popcorn.  :P Though I doubt it would last long, he'd shit his pants and run for the hills.
Neither of you know what happened.  I'm the victim.

Edit: In fact, Pyraxis I just put you on my Ignore list. :(  Sorry but you hurt my feelings.

Well, in case you ever get curious and take me off ignore:

Sorry dude. You crossed my line when you kept coming back and going on about Eris, this past week. I did my best to give you space to vent when it first happened, and asked people to let you alone. But continuing to follow Eris even now is too much. Why should I consider your feelings when you aren't considering other people's?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Bastet on March 10, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
(This I agree with. I dislike seeing her go and if I could physically confront Pig I not only would but would enjoy the opportunity of doing so)
I'd bring popcorn.  :P Though I doubt it would last long, he'd shit his pants and run for the hills.
Neither of you know what happened.  I'm the victim.

Edit: In fact, Pyraxis I just put you on my Ignore list. :(  Sorry but you hurt my feelings.

How did I upset you? I didn't do anything wrong. I feel for you ;however, I also am wary of you. You seem to be very obsessive and unstable. I don't think Eris is innocent, but you aren't doing yourself any favors stalking and attacking her.

I got your pm. I understand. I really think you should see a therapist. You have hit rock bottom like me and it helps to have someone sane hear your thoughts and give an unbiased opinion. My therapist is really nice. I wish I could be friends with her. I am a bit desperate for irl friends. I do have one irl friend I see sometimes but I don't want to push her away by being too clingy. I wish I could be with her every day but it just isn't possible.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: bodie on March 10, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
:gotowp:
with your boring ass WP drama

 :indeed: :agreed:
:agreed: :indeed: :lol:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 10, 2012, 06:26:08 PM
(This I agree with. I dislike seeing her go and if I could physically confront Pig I not only would but would enjoy the opportunity of doing so)
I'd bring popcorn.  :P Though I doubt it would last long, he'd shit his pants and run for the hills.
Neither of you know what happened.  I'm the victim.

Edit: In fact, Pyraxis I just put you on my Ignore list. :(  Sorry but you hurt my feelings.
Don't care. I have seen how you behave around her and I would beat you bloody for that alone. You are not the shadow of a man.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 11, 2012, 02:32:00 AM
Pig is not a victim, just another idiot with serious boundary issues.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
Pig, there is no reason to keep sending me PM's full of excuses.

V, if you get the opportunity to read this, I think it would be wise for you and your cohorts to screen people before you send them this way. No BBS needs a mentally unstable liability.
The only person that has been sent here by one of the mods was pig and there werent that many issues with him on wp. He understood wp wasnt for everyone due to the fact that there are some rules some people may have an issue with and hyperlexian pointed him this website as a free speech alternative.

TomMutie and Meadow decided to come by themselves.

Im spongy and ta stands for The_Anonymous so while he has shared his name a few times I doubt he´ll do it again just for you and Im not going to say who he is because he can do that himself if he wants either of you to know.

As for Meadow´s claims we try to make sure every member feels welcome but when a member starts calling all the board sociopaths... this member has to be contacted otherwise other members wont feel comfortable.
After you were contacted you said you understood what had happened but you kept insulting other members so you got a last chance.
Other mods got tired of having to keep an eye on all of your posts 24/7 and you were banned.


There are several members on wp that are way more low functioning than you(not going to single them out because I dont want this to become some sort of public shaming) and they remain there because they are able to follow the rules.
A few of this members have had the bad experience of being unfairly banned but as soon as they contacted alex things were sorted and certain mods were demodded(feel free to contact alex yourself if you believe you were unfairly banned but hyperlexian has already informed him of the communication you had with the mods and your rule breaking posts)

MutieTom Im perfectly aware of who you are(Tom/ several other sockpuppets I dont remember) and you were accused of logging into a member´s account without their consent. Considering some of the things you had done on the board it sounded reasonable so we just took her word for it and she changed her account.

Hopefully I can go back to trying to being a lurker in a attempt to reduce the amount of time I spend here.

Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: bodie on March 11, 2012, 05:57:14 AM
I don't think anyone could have foreseen how pig was going to behave.

Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 11, 2012, 09:56:44 AM
No, not that it would be this bad.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Pyraxis on March 11, 2012, 11:50:22 AM
The only person that has been sent here by one of the mods was pig and there werent that many issues with him on wp. He understood wp wasnt for everyone due to the fact that there are some rules some people may have an issue with and hyperlexian pointed him this website as a free speech alternative.

Nothing wrong with that. Definitely don't need WP mods to screen people before pointing them here. Drama happens, life moves on.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 11, 2012, 01:34:57 PM
That would be hilarious, though. WP mods vetting potential I2 members. :zoinks:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
That would be hilarious, though. WP mods vetting potential I2 members. :zoinks:

Dont give hyper any ideas  :zoinks:
(Just so we are clear this post is a joke on how several members are currently blaming everything on her)

Mods on wp have no say on who joins, we just make members aware that there are other options.
As I said earlier we want every member to feel comfortable and if that requires leaving wp then they should be aware that there are other options out there
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 11, 2012, 01:42:38 PM
That would be hilarious, though. WP mods vetting potential I2 members. :zoinks:

Dont give hyper any ideas  :zoinks:
(Just so we are clear this post is a joke on how several members are currently blaming everything on her)

Mods on wp have no say on who joins, we just make members aware that there are other options.
As I said earlier we want every member to feel comfortable and if that requires leaving wp then they should be aware that there are other options out there

 :tard:

So we should blame her on some of the n00bs, then?  :autism:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
I'm not low functioning. I can't speak well but otherwise have done very well for myself and live very well. You exaggerate and are a major jerk and a liar V. I said I was abused by a psycho and was then attacked for it by psychos who take the smallest negative about them personal and are fantastic manipulators too. I do think now that is the nature of the board however and is not a forum for ASD's.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
I'm not low functioning. I can't speak well but otherwise have done very well for myself and live very well. You exaggerate and are a major jerk and a liar V. I said I was abused by a psycho and was then attacked for it by psychos who take the smallest negative about them personal and are fantastic manipulators too. I do think now that is the nature of the board however and is not a forum for ASD's.

You said wrongplanet doesnt accept true autistic people(whatever that true means) and Im pointing you out there are several low functioning members that are well accepted in the community and much loved because instead of attacking other people and calling everyone a sociopath they quietly contact a mod that handles things without making a pubic scandal(which is the point of the no personal attacks rule).

You called everyone on the board a psycho from day one, what did you expect that people will bow down to you and tell you you are awesome just for calling them psychos?

Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
I don't know what you're trying to prove but you're a liar.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 02:34:22 PM
You just want to continue to bash me.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 02:41:52 PM
Ive already posted plenty of evidence to back up my claims.

If anyone wants to believe someone whose only reply to this evidence is to try to insult me calling me a pothead several times(even though I pointed her out that I hadnt smoked in over a year for personal reasons) they are free to do so.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: MutieTom on March 11, 2012, 02:43:48 PM
Spongy huh?   Dont think we ever really met.  I was just wondering if moog was here, he's the only WP mod I really know other than HL.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
Your posting doesn't show how long I was harassed unjustly by a single manipulative individual who had no reason or justification to behave that way and after I finally reacted to him and called him an asshole several times. I should have gone to mods it is true but I'm used to handling my own problems. You obviously have a personal vendetta against me and I think you're pathetic to still be here wanting to bash me over little or nothing. The guy was an absolute asshole and I had a right to call him an asshole when I finally did. You're definitely a dick, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 02:51:40 PM
Spongy huh?   Dont think we ever really met.  I was just wondering if moog was here, he's the only WP mod I really know other than HL.

I dont like much attention and I was barely noticed by most people until someone thought Id make a good mod.

As a matter of fact there are several members that are surprised when I offer to help them with mod tools because they hadnt noticed my badge.

I mainly worked with "hopeless" cases(those that other mods have given up on) and a some members that started a friendship before I became a mod and had issues with the other mods.

Im not sure how Sall(she was the first one to suggest me as a mod) noticed me.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
Your posting doesn't show how long I was harassed unjustly by a single manipulative individual who had no reason or justification to behave that way and after I finally reacted to him and called him an asshole several times. I should have gone to mods it is true but I'm used to handling my own problems. You obviously have a personal vendetta against me and I think you're pathetic to still be here wanting to bash me over little or nothing. The guy was an absolute asshole and I had a right to call him an asshole when I finally did. You're definitely a dick, no doubt about it.
Sorry but its time to bed

I will look into the you are all sociopaths comment as soon as I wake up and I´ll let you and other members know whatever I can find on that issue
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 02:56:51 PM
You do that. I never said anything of the kind.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 03:05:14 PM
If I said you are a bunch of psychopaths it was the group who were harassing me in that thread but I don't believe I said that. Real big of you to continue beating me down V.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 11, 2012, 03:26:52 PM
Spongy huh?   Dont think we ever really met.  I was just wondering if moog was here, he's the only WP mod I really know other than HL.

I know Moog. I like moog and he likes me....or something
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 03:27:58 PM
I will say it now however. WP is overrun by a bunch of sociopaths who have no regard whatsoever for anyone except themselves and do nothing all day long but brag about it too. That is not an ASD's related problem. It's a sociopathy related problem. So yes, WP is home to the sociopath and I want nothing to do with it. WP isnt helping the autism community, it's hurting it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 11, 2012, 03:30:43 PM
I want to see Alex and Tambourine Man in a knife fight
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Bastet on March 11, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
I want to see Alex and Tambourine Man in a knife fight

I got an interesting message on FB from his now ex gf. I think from what I have read there and here about those two, they are two peas in a pod.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 11, 2012, 05:14:42 PM
The WP drama still going on? :yawn:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Phallacy on March 11, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
"WP is run by sociopaths... WP is run by sociopaths... WP is run by sociopaths..."

Goddamn, it's like a BROKEN RECORD!!! :facepalm2:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 11, 2012, 05:19:59 PM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 05:21:33 PM
"WP is run by sociopaths... WP is run by sociopaths... WP is run by sociopaths..."

Goddamn, it's like a BROKEN RECORD!!! :facepalm2:

 :violin:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 11, 2012, 05:22:12 PM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

It's what it thrives on. Drama in general.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
If I said you are a bunch of psychopaths it was the group who were harassing me in that thread but I don't believe I said that. Real big of you to continue beating me down V.

ORLY?

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4430955.html#4430955 (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4430955.html#4430955)
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 11, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

I dunno? Spasticity was set up for all aspies...to troll and whine about I2, and that did not work so well. I am not being sarcastic either.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 08:23:06 PM
If I said you are a bunch of psychopaths it was the group who were harassing me in that thread but I don't believe I said that. Real big of you to continue beating me down V.

ORLY?

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4430955.html#4430955 (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4430955.html#4430955)

I can't look at that because I'm banned but all I can say is, so what? The bastards were harassing me and that's all they are.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
What it says is: 
Quote
There are probably just a lot of sociopaths on board rather than aspies.

Noone was harassing you. People were being remarkably polite to you after you called them "a bunch of self-absorbed idiots" in the "Whitney Houston died and I don't care" thread. Perhaps you should learn the difference between disagreeing and bullying?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 08:40:54 PM
What it says is: 
Quote
There are probably just a lot of sociopaths on board rather than aspies.

Noone was harassing you. People were being remarkably polite to you after you called them "a bunch of self-absorbed idiots" in the "Whitney Houston died and I don't care" thread. Perhaps you should learn the difference between disagreeing and bullying?

I was harassed pretty badly in the psychopath thread and as anyone knows you don't fuck with a psychopath and get away with it. They are a bunch of self absorbed jerks at WP. I didn't think I was bullied over there. I'm very sick of this ongoing pathetic crap on the part of you and others like you from WP. Buzz off!
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 08:45:07 PM
Was that the "Is genocide justified when it comes to psychopaths?" thread?
*skims through*

Well, so far what I see is you starting to fly off the handle at people who disagree with the slightest amount of firmness.
Like I said: disagreeing is not bullying.
Even vigorously disagreeing.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: TA on March 11, 2012, 08:47:55 PM
"WP is run by sociopaths... WP is run by sociopaths... WP is run by sociopaths..."

Goddamn, it's like a BROKEN RECORD!!! :facepalm2:
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

Do we have a smiey for that?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 08:54:17 PM
 :violin: Lol, my heart bleeds for them, yes indeed, very serious threat to our poor psychopaths. Yes, do stand up for their rights but you'll have to take it to someone who cares because I definitely don't care about their rights or their feelings because apart from their own they haven't any. Just count me out with your campaign for the poor psychopaths of the world but I'd love a speech about how one should care about them and their feelings and their rights too.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: TA on March 11, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
:violin: Lol, my heart bleeds for them, yes indeed, very serious threat to our poor psychopaths. Yes, do stand up for their rights but you'll have to take it to someone who cares because I definitely don't care about their rights or their feelings because apart from their own they haven't any. Just count me out with your campaign for the poor psychopaths of the world but I'd love a speech about how one should care about them and their feelings and their rights too.

Sorry, but what?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
I didn't even post in the thread, so I don't know where you're getting this "campaign for psychopaths" from.

Did you really suggest that a number of people who were posting in the thread should be exterminated? Because that's what it looks like.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 09:05:56 PM
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you because it isn't going to happen. The fact remains that I couldn't care less about them.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 09:12:01 PM
Yes, I can see that. I too often wish death upon people whom I don't care about.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Yes, I can see that. I too often wish death upon people whom I don't care about.

I think you have a problem. Some sort of agenda. All I can suggest to you is get over it.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
Yes, I can see that. I too often wish death upon people whom I don't care about.

I think you have a problem. Some sort of agenda. All I can suggest to you is get over it.

And what problem do you think it is?

My biggest problems today are that it is too hot and I do not feel like going to work this afternoon. My agenda is to go to work for the purpose of earning some money. I must admit, that is sinister.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Yes, I can see that. I too often wish death upon people whom I don't care about.

I think you have a problem. Some sort of agenda. All I can suggest to you is get over it.

And what problem do you think it is?

My biggest problems today are that it is too hot and I do not feel like going to work this afternoon. My agenda is to go to work for the purpose of earning some money. I must admit, that is sinister.

Then stop hassling me and taking something I say out of context and leave me the hell alone. I don't believe in the death penalty if that answers your question and also have trouble understanding your plight here. Have a good day and try to stay cool.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
Yes, I can see that. I too often wish death upon people whom I don't care about.

I think you have a problem. Some sort of agenda. All I can suggest to you is get over it.

And what problem do you think it is?

My biggest problems today are that it is too hot and I do not feel like going to work this afternoon. My agenda is to go to work for the purpose of earning some money. I must admit, that is sinister.

Then stop hassling me and taking something I say out of context and leave me the hell alone. I don't believe in the death penalty if that answers your question and also have trouble understanding your plight here. Have a good day and try to stay cool.

If you'd explain the context in which your remarks were meant, I'd be able to understand better.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 09:34:16 PM
Look, I've been over that already well enough in that thread. If you read through and can't figure it out, there isn't anything I can do for you here. I'm not about to talk about my personal experience on this board! gafl!
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 09:39:49 PM
Well what *are* you here to talk about?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Not anything personal. WTF *are* you here to talk about?

I see, you're just a sock puppet troll.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 11, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
And the personal attacks begin...

I'm not here to talk about anything in particular.

Wait. I'm a sockpuppet who created an account in 2007 for the purpose of harassing you 5 years later.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 10:09:45 PM
Yes, you are a troll for trying to antagonize so from here on you are on ignore.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 10:59:00 PM
V is on ignore too. Just sick of the ongoing, shit- stirring bullshit on your part. You are beyond pathetic.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 11, 2012, 11:07:59 PM
You asked for this so here we go:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4427275.html#4427275 (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4427275.html#4427275)
Heres hyperlexian "harassing" you(there was a small misunderstanding )
You kept trying to argue with her heres her saying she doesnt have a clue what you are disagreeing about:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4427325.html#4427325 (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4427325.html#4427325)

Heres her post after you told her to reread your post in order to find out the disagreement(still harassment here just someone trying to find out why are you disagreeing with them which is the most common thing on online boards):
I just don't understand, but of course you have no obligation to explain. it's just really helpful to provide clarification when discussing issues so that meaningful discussion can ensue. otherwise the discussion can't go anywhere. we have a variety of communication needs and differences here on the forum, so people can always benefit from examples, clarification, etc.

Heres you accusing her of provoking you(even though as we stated previously she was just trying to find out why you were disagreeing with her)
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4427365.html#4427365 (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4427365.html#4427365)


This is just one out of many examples that show that the people that"harassed" you were in most occasions provoked by you

I was going to analyze the whitney houston is dead thread but PSP did it first.

Ps: I understand that you "cant" access the website(there are several ways of doing so if you wanted) but this is just my last attempt of showing to others why you were banned and I know that you wont agree with this assertion no matter how much research I do.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 11:17:34 PM
I hope that helps you feel better. I'm not the best around communication but hey, I'm autistic. As I said in this thread, the environment at WP is rude and insulting to autistic people on a daily basis and I can't be there because of it. When I'm insulted I'm going to insult back. No mystery there.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 11:44:23 PM
You are a massive fucking dick V. A fucking low-life worm and a manipulator like a lot of fast talking sociopaths. I wasn't asking to go back to the funny farm to begin with, ASSHOLE!
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 11, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
Public shaming, no? You're about as low as they get. Nothing in there deserves a ban. People are rude assholes there every day without any problem. You're just a prime example of what WP is all about. BULLSHIT!
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 12, 2012, 12:21:09 AM
Public shaming, no? You're about as low as they get. Nothing in there deserves a ban. People are rude assholes there every day without any problem. You're just a prime example of what WP is all about. BULLSHIT!

No public shaming.

You asked me to back up my accusations and do some research last night and Ive done it.

If you hadnt asked me to back up my words and called me a liar I wouldnt have done that research
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 12:23:05 AM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

I dunno? Spasticity was set up for all aspies...to troll and whine about I2, and that did not work so well. I am not being sarcastic either.

:rofl:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 12:24:22 AM
:violin: Lol, my heart bleeds for them, yes indeed, very serious threat to our poor psychopaths. Yes, do stand up for their rights but you'll have to take it to someone who cares because I definitely don't care about their rights or their feelings because apart from their own they haven't any. Just count me out with your campaign for the poor psychopaths of the world but I'd love a speech about how one should care about them and their feelings and their rights too.

FUCK! what a bore you are.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
Public shaming, no? You're about as low as they get. Nothing in there deserves a ban. People are rude assholes there every day without any problem. You're just a prime example of what WP is all about. BULLSHIT!

No public shaming.

You asked me to back up my accusations and do some research last night and Ive done it.

If you hadnt asked me to back up my words and called me a liar I wouldnt have done that research

You've only proven that you're a twat.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 12:28:18 AM
Looks pretty conclusive to me.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 12:29:14 AM
:violin: Lol, my heart bleeds for them, yes indeed, very serious threat to our poor psychopaths. Yes, do stand up for their rights but you'll have to take it to someone who cares because I definitely don't care about their rights or their feelings because apart from their own they haven't any. Just count me out with your campaign for the poor psychopaths of the world but I'd love a speech about how one should care about them and their feelings and their rights too.

FUCK! what a bore you are.

Where it comes to boring you reign supreme.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 12:31:07 AM
:violin: Lol, my heart bleeds for them, yes indeed, very serious threat to our poor psychopaths. Yes, do stand up for their rights but you'll have to take it to someone who cares because I definitely don't care about their rights or their feelings because apart from their own they haven't any. Just count me out with your campaign for the poor psychopaths of the world but I'd love a speech about how one should care about them and their feelings and their rights too.

FUCK! what a bore you are.

Where it comes to boring you reign supreme.

:lol:

I'm not the one repeating myself... repeating myself... repeating myself... repeating myself...
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 12, 2012, 12:32:32 AM
Public shaming, no? You're about as low as they get. Nothing in there deserves a ban. People are rude assholes there every day without any problem. You're just a prime example of what WP is all about. BULLSHIT!

No public shaming.

You asked me to back up my accusations and do some research last night and Ive done it.

If you hadnt asked me to back up my words and called me a liar I wouldnt have done that research

You've only proven that you're a twat.

And we are back to since I cant find anything wrong with your research I´ll just personally attack you.

As I said I´ll be out of here as soon as you stop blaming wp for your own problems.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 12:39:21 AM
WP is a bunch of manipulative, fast talking NT's for the most part. You"allow" a few LFA's. How good of you.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 12, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
WP is a bunch of manipulative, fast talking NT's for the most part. You"allow" a few LFA's. How good of you.
We allow anyone that is able to post there without having to attack others to prove a point.

Nobody is asked for a diagnosis and while this may sound odd to you we dont question members diagnosis as a way of shaming members either
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 12:46:23 AM
 :violin:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 01:15:45 AM
I was very mild compared to a lot of people who successfully attack and insult people every day and get away with it. I was the one who was attacked on that board. You further harassing me here only proves what a major asshole you are V. Go suck on your bong and stfu.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 12, 2012, 02:08:57 AM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

I dunno? Spasticity was set up for all aspies...to troll and whine about I2, and that did not work so well. I am not being sarcastic either.

And i2 isn't set up to whine about WP and other forums?
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 12, 2012, 02:53:49 AM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

I dunno? Spasticity was set up for all aspies...to troll and whine about I2, and that did not work so well. I am not being sarcastic either.

And i2 isn't set up to whine about WP and other forums?

Nope.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 03:21:52 AM
Then it isn't a free speech site after all. I hate this site and most of its people as much as WP's. Good riddance to all of you.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 12, 2012, 03:54:13 AM
Then it isn't a free speech site after all. I hate this site and most of its people as much as WP's. Good riddance to all of you.

Are you free to talk about Wrong Planet?, AFF?, What makes you laugh?, what song you are listening to? what are you doing now? who is hitting who with hammers?
Yes.

Is is set up to whine about a particular or all forums? No. It is not set up fir that purpose.

If other forums are discussed here in the general flow of conversation or over some thread, is that a problem? No.

I would say that this almost defines "free".
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: bodie on March 12, 2012, 04:11:06 AM
Meadow,  it is free in as much you can slag WP off as much as you like here and won't face any action.

You will have the responses of the members, though.  I usually pay little attention to threads about WP.  I dislike the site,  mainly it's rules.  Therefore, to me, posts that continually whine about WP are boring and if i don't ignore them i may post the occasional yawn or something.  However, i happen to like V.  I find him reasonable.  I think if you had been treated badly at WP then V is the right man to go to.  He has looked into things for you and his conclusion seems to be what i have seen here,  that is you are very quick to attack and blame others.  I sincerely hope one day you will learn from this.  Don't you see a familiar pattern emerging?   I am not attacking you, or being nasty.  I actually think you have potential to be an interesting member.  It just won't happen until you can look at your actions and say "Well, ok, i was out of order"
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 12, 2012, 04:16:22 AM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/Musician101/meadow.jpg)
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 04:30:56 AM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/Musician101/meadow.jpg)

I haven't lost anything. You're the loser Sockpuppet.

Les and Bodaccea thanks for your decent replies. I'm really burned out with human race and have little tolerance left. Just a simple honest fact.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: PuppetSockPenguin on March 12, 2012, 04:33:01 AM
I thought you had me on ignore. :)
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: bodie on March 12, 2012, 04:51:46 AM
Quote
Les and Bodaccea thanks for your decent replies. I'm really burned out with human race and have little tolerance left. Just a simple honest fact.

At least that was an honest reply.  Saying you are 'burned out'.  I have been there and it is not good.  I hope that in saying that then you are at least seeing that you are being awfully snappy with some people and are responsible, at least partly for some of the conflicts online?  Anyway,  message boards are full of misunderstandings, and i find a certain amount of tolerence is needed if i participate.  It may not be a good place for you, right now, if you are feeling that way.  I am not saying "Go away" or anything like that to be horrid to you,  more like come back when you are in a better frame of mind.  I hope you feel better soon anyway.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 05:23:49 AM
Then it isn't a free speech site after all. I hate this site and most of its people as much as WP's. Good riddance to all of you.

Bye.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 05:30:01 AM
Then it isn't a free speech site after all. I hate this site and most of its people as much as WP's. Good riddance to all of you.

Bye.

Good bye asshole.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Meadow on March 12, 2012, 05:39:01 AM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/Musician101/meadow.jpg)

Let me guess, you're a fat bitch with a vendetta.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: V on March 12, 2012, 06:53:55 AM
I was very mild compared to a lot of people who successfully attack and insult people every day and get away with it. I was the one who was attacked on that board. You further harassing me here only proves what a major asshole you are V. Go suck on your bong and stfu.
Can you please point me out any other users that are calling the rest of the board sociopaths?(hint there are none because as soon as this happens we contact that member and they either change their behaviour or are banned).

We try to give members some rope so that it doesnt feel like we are controlling every little thing they post(because lets face it none of us wants to sit by a computer monitoring every post thats being made) but certain things like the sociopath accusation are too much and you were contacted about it and told you needed to stop doing this sort of thing.

Telling several members that all they are doing is whine is a extremely similar scenario and its what got you banned
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 12, 2012, 10:31:23 AM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

I dunno? Spasticity was set up for all aspies...to troll and whine about I2, and that did not work so well. I am not being sarcastic either.

And i2 isn't set up to whine about WP and other forums?

Nope.

I beg to differ. :zoinks:

 :gotowp:
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 12:54:40 PM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/Musician101/meadow.jpg)

Let me guess, you're a fat bitch with a vendetta.

I thought you were leaving.
Title: Re: i thought i2 was a free speech website ?
Post by: odeon on March 12, 2012, 12:55:30 PM
I2 could do with more irrelevant drama from other forums. This time I'm not being sarcastic about it.

I dunno? Spasticity was set up for all aspies...to troll and whine about I2, and that did not work so well. I am not being sarcastic either.

And i2 isn't set up to whine about WP and other forums?

Nope.

I beg to differ. :zoinks:

 :gotowp:

Wasn't set up that way, but some use it for it.