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Title: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Calavera on January 11, 2012, 08:03:13 AM
its ... or ... it's ... ?

Don't take this too seriously, but ...

I see this error quite a lot actually ... and made even by very intelligent and educated people who write well (even more intelligent and educated than me). And not even dyslexic.

Please ... if you love me just one bit ... consider that sometimes that apostrophe means something. I assure you it does. It's needed for contractions. But when it comes to indicating possession of something/someone, don't add that apostrophe ... because that's called grammar abuse.

Therefore:

it's = it is or it has (depending on the context)

and

its = possessive pronoun (for example, "This dog is very loyal to its owner")

It's very easy to differentiate between the two. Just remember the apostrophe has its own use in this case.

Free lesson over. :autism:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 11, 2012, 08:06:40 AM
 Its good that you posted this, I often have trouble with the apostrophe and it's uses.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Calavera on January 11, 2012, 08:10:58 AM
You weren't concentrating much in class, were you? :asthing:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 11, 2012, 08:15:05 AM
You weren't concentrating much in class, were you? :asthing:

 I be trollin'. :trollface:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Calavera on January 11, 2012, 08:16:52 AM
You weren't concentrating much in class, were you? :asthing:

 I be trollin'. :trollface:

That scares me for some reason. It's like the world is ending or something.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 11, 2012, 08:18:58 AM
You weren't concentrating much in class, were you? :asthing:

 I be trollin'. :trollface:

That scares me for some reason. It's like the world is ending or something.

 It is, around December 21 0r 22!  :tard:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: renaeden on January 11, 2012, 08:30:48 AM
I just say "it is" except for the possessive pronoun of course. But I have seen people use "it's" for that and want to ask them to explain how that works. :P I have found this one easy to understand.

Adding an apostrophe to plural nouns is something that irks me. Like at the shops - "banana's". Does something belong to the banana? No, it does not so don't use an apostrophe!
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: 'Butterflies' on January 11, 2012, 08:34:16 AM
Its hard to put in apostrophies when youre posting from a mobile phone.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Calavera on January 11, 2012, 09:06:06 AM
Its hard to put in apostrophies when youre posting from a mobile phone.

I'll forgive you for that since there's an excuse. But you put a bit too much effort by adding an "i" to "apostrophes". :P
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Calavera on January 11, 2012, 09:08:07 AM
I just say "it is" except for the possessive pronoun of course. But I have seen people use "it's" for that and want to ask them to explain how that works. :P I have found this one easy to understand.

Adding an apostrophe to plural nouns is something that irks me. Like at the shops - "banana's". Does something belong to the banana? No, it does not so don't use an apostrophe!

This reminds me.

Some very clever people put Pig Halal on their signs. Which makes me wonder. Don't they realize the contradiction in there?
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Adam on January 11, 2012, 09:44:56 AM
i miss apostrophes a lot on my pphone  too. the only thing that really annoys me is when people say "of" instead of "have"

i make a lot of mistakes just from typing quickly and talking how i'd speak, so i try not to be tooo harsh on others lol

but yeh i can get irritated with apostrophes that turn up all over the place. like just coz the word ends in S you put an apostrophe in it :laugh:

the of/have thing does annoy me tho
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: 'Butterflies' on January 11, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
Its hard to put in apostrophies when youre posting from a mobile phone.

I'll forgive you for that since there's an excuse. But you put a bit too much effort by adding an "i" to "apostrophes". :P

:lol:

Ive no excuses for my spelling. It could be better.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: bodie on January 11, 2012, 10:30:16 AM
'Twas good of you to draw it to my attention.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Queen Victoria on January 11, 2012, 10:40:24 AM
It's not "I've got to...".  The uncontractioned phrase would be "I have to...".

Also, it's not "complected", but "complexioned".
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Calavera on January 11, 2012, 05:41:56 PM
complexioned is a new word to me. Better add it to my still limited vocabulary. Thank you, Your Majesty.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 11, 2012, 05:43:00 PM
complexioned is a new word to me. Better add it to my still limited vocabulary. Thank you, Your Majesty.

 I am a light-complexioned Weeble! :cbc:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Parts on January 11, 2012, 06:17:04 PM
How about this I'll type a bunch of apostrophes here in this thread for when I miss them :zoinks:
I made them different colors to be fancy

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Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: bodie on January 11, 2012, 07:41:23 PM
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Hark!  My noble Lord Calavera, and four cornered fellow Intensian's.  Art thou proclaiming a pox on these new tuner's of accents? What fools these mortals be!

The English language is 'alive',  unlike say Latin which is 'dead'.  English is alive and evolving all the time.  The quote above is Elizabethan English and you can see how much our language has changed in a few hundred years.

Sorry to tell you,  your 'apostrophe'  is in decline.  It may one day disappear    ::)

A large retailer of books in the UK used to be known as Waterstone's.   It is undergoing a change of name to   Waterstones.  ?   Grammar is changing.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Adam on January 11, 2012, 07:55:21 PM
i dont know why (if anything i feel BAD for feeling this way) but i m
dont really like the idea of apostrophes going out of use. language does evolve tho, yeh. and that is a v good point. but somehow i dont like the idea
of PUNCTUATION changing. i dunno. that bothers me more than any other aspect of language changing
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: Adam on January 11, 2012, 07:57:44 PM
i know i rarely write correctly on here btw. cant be arsed, type too fast, typos etc. but i would hate it if my style of writing on i2 was one day the right way lol
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: bodie on January 11, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
Me too.  I think in certain circles it will still be required.
Official documents,  formal letters etc.

If you think about when these grammar rules were made people wrote in ink, and sat at desks with typewriters  -  the way we communicate has changed such a lot,  i think it is bound to change.

I can't believe Waterstone's dropping the apostrophe,  but guess it is a sign of things to come.

If i were to apply the correct grammar, spelling and punctuation to all my posts,  then my posts would be halved.  I would only bother now if it was a formal letter.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: eris on January 11, 2012, 08:11:12 PM
i actually DO know the difference, and i know I should capitalize i and such, but really dont care. I often ignore grammar and instead type the way I talk. I do know how to sound intelligent but thought I shouldnt give false pretense.

and ever since I've been getting 100+ texts a day from a boy that doesnt know the difference between wear and were, I am becoming way more forgiving.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: bodie on January 11, 2012, 08:18:45 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9007552/Waterstones-ditches-apostrophe.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9007552/Waterstones-ditches-apostrophe.html)

The chain has been known as Waterstone’s since it was founded in 1982 by entrepreneur Tim Waterstone.

However the retailer’s new head, James Daunt, who also founded rival book chain Daunt Books, is jettisoning 30 years of bookselling history by altering the punctuation, to become Waterstones.

“Waterstones without an apostrophe is, in a digital world of URLs and email addresses, a more versatile and practical spelling,” said Mr Daunt.

However, language experts were outraged.

John Richards, the chairman of the Apostrophe Protection Society, described the change as "slapdash", particularly from a bookshop.




Well i can only wonder what goes on at the 'Apostrophe Protection Society' -  sounds riveting :zoinks:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: earthboundmisfit on January 11, 2012, 08:29:52 PM


Well i can only wonder what goes on at the 'Apostrophe Protection Society' -  sounds riveting :zoinks:


First rule of Apostrophe Protection Society:


Don't talk about Apostrophe Protection Society.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: matthe on January 11, 2012, 09:16:54 PM
I just say "it is" except for the possessive pronoun of course. But I have seen people use "it's" for that and want to ask them to explain how that works. :P I have found this one easy to understand.

Adding an apostrophe to plural nouns is something that irks me. Like at the shops - "banana's". Does something belong to the banana? No, it does not so don't use an apostrophe!

"that banana's skin is turning brown"

if i had my way, apostrophes would be eliminated, they really arent needed. and spelling would all be strictly phonetic, like japanese is.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: bodie on January 11, 2012, 09:17:59 PM
If you are a member EBM,  do you think you get me into their xmas party? >:D
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: matthe on January 11, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
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-grammer nazis- if it botthers you that much, yo, dont bother. i have a mathmatical; logical mind, and cant be a***d mesing around with capitals and puncshuation all the time. if theres a period its prolly the end of a sentance, no caps needed. i do my best to spell correctlly and use proper grammer and puncshuation so you can understand me. my spelling can be bad at times if its not phonetic, but i do try to spell correctly and dont mind being corrected, if its not an obsessive thing. if you can deal with a lack of caps and apostrophes without your blood boiling, great! (this section was intentionally packed with erorz. :P )

from my pof profile lmao
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: eris on January 11, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
ok cupid is full of pseudo intellectuals. I have no idea how many people on there try as hard as they can to be all philosophical and well read, yet sarcastically making fun of themselves for it but not-really-i-really-am-full-of-myself attitude.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: renaeden on January 12, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
I just say "it is" except for the possessive pronoun of course. But I have seen people use "it's" for that and want to ask them to explain how that works. :P I have found this one easy to understand.

Adding an apostrophe to plural nouns is something that irks me. Like at the shops - "banana's". Does something belong to the banana? No, it does not so don't use an apostrophe!

"that banana's skin is turning brown"

if i had my way, apostrophes would be eliminated, they really arent needed. and spelling would all be strictly phonetic, like japanese is.
Obviously "banana's" works in that sentence. I was giving an example of where it didn't work, as in the plural of banana. I believe apostrophes are needed for our language, confusion may result otherwise. There is enough confusion there already, heh.

I am just surprised at the amount of people who get through school these days without knowing how to spell and use basic grammar. I thought people were tested on this kind of thing still.

I have problems with mixing up past, present and future tense. Commas can be confusing to me as well.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: earthboundmisfit on January 12, 2012, 01:26:48 AM


If you are a member EBM,  do you think you get me into their xmas party? >:D


There's a pretty intense initiation ritual.  :bonban:
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: ZEGH8578 on January 12, 2012, 02:45:14 AM
in letters, emails, forums and chats i dont really care about correct writing, neither english or in my norwegian
in litterature however, its much more important, because its a matter of a wholeness of a work. in the same way you cannot pretend to go for great realism in a painting, for then to ommit all shadows, you cannot pretend to write litterature, and then not write correctly

direct communication however is about making oneself understood. an additional little issue is that were talking about english here, and... lets be honest... apart from scandinavians and the dutch, everybody sucks at it...
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: renaeden on January 12, 2012, 02:48:51 AM
I think if I get slack with my writing somewhere, then gradually it will happen in my university writing and I do not want that. I know I use imo, btw, fwiw, etc. but I am conscious of using them, it is not second nature.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on January 12, 2012, 03:06:27 AM
I have a very bad tendency of making grammatical mistakes, especially with the one mentioned here and using wrong tenses, even words in extreme cases.
Title: Re: For the love of God (grammar time)
Post by: bodie on January 12, 2012, 03:33:42 AM


If you are a member EBM,  do you think you get me into their xmas party? >:D


There's a pretty intense initiation ritual.  :bonban:
It makes my mind boggle!