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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: McGiver on January 06, 2012, 09:39:03 PM
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http://front.moveon.org/what-living-on-7-an-hour-actually-means/?rc=fb.rp.2 (http://front.moveon.org/what-living-on-7-an-hour-actually-means/?rc=fb.rp.2)
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I like the last line. I work with folks who've made money illegally most if not all of their lives. Even if they didn't have criminal records preventing them from ever getting a decent job, kinda hard to argue it's better to live off a minimum wage job than to deal drugs with social security as a buffer. One pays the bills. One doesn't.
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
The fact of the matter is, women used to take care of the the elderly and the children. It was hard work. When women got the vote, they began to vote for things that would make their lives more luxurious. Entitlements got passed to help take care of the elderly, kids and infirm, so that women could have more free time. Men still worked 16 hour days but women were now free to work, if they wanted to, start activist groups, or just sit around all day brushing their hair. Once the apathy set in, we needed self help industry, anti depression, industry, diet, Oprah, Vodka, etc, etc.. Abuse, divorce, killer taxes, .... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
brushing hair :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
The fact of the matter is, women used to take care of the the elderly and the children. It was hard work. When women got the vote, they began to vote for things that would make their lives more luxurious. Entitlements got passed to help take care of the elderly, kids and infirm, so that women could have more free time. Men still worked 16 hour days but women were now free to work, if they wanted to, start activist groups, or just sit around all day brushing their hair. Once the apathy set in, we needed self help industry, anti depression, industry, diet, Oprah, Vodka, etc, etc.. Abuse, divorce, killer taxes, .... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
brushing hair :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
Oh yes. Women's suffrage is the only reason Americans drink today. :facepalm2:
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Yes!!! All you women should go back where you belong raising the kids and taking care of the oldies. Yes that would cure everything we would return to the golden age :P
Where do these people come up with this stuff? :lol:
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
The fact of the matter is, women used to take care of the the elderly and the children. It was hard work. When women got the vote, they began to vote for things that would make their lives more luxurious. Entitlements got passed to help take care of the elderly, kids and infirm, so that women could have more free time. Men still worked 16 hour days but women were now free to work, if they wanted to, start activist groups, or just sit around all day brushing their hair. Once the apathy set in, we needed self help industry, anti depression, industry, diet, Oprah, Vodka, etc, etc.. Abuse, divorce, killer taxes, .... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
brushing hair :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
Oh yes. Women's suffrage is the only reason Americans drink today. :facepalm2:
Agreed this poor bloke will feel better after another beer or two don't worry
(http://www.coulaslourdes.com/images/figures/humorous-illustration-angry-wife.jpg)
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
The fact of the matter is, women used to take care of the the elderly and the children. It was hard work. When women got the vote, they began to vote for things that would make their lives more luxurious. Entitlements got passed to help take care of the elderly, kids and infirm, so that women could have more free time. Men still worked 16 hour days but women were now free to work, if they wanted to, start activist groups, or just sit around all day brushing their hair. Once the apathy set in, we needed self help industry, anti depression, industry, diet, Oprah, Vodka, etc, etc.. Abuse, divorce, killer taxes, .... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
brushing hair :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
I would have answered this, but I was too busy sitting around all day and brushing my hair.
:LMAO:
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
The fact of the matter is, women used to take care of the the elderly and the children. It was hard work. When women got the vote, they began to vote for things that would make their lives more luxurious. Entitlements got passed to help take care of the elderly, kids and infirm, so that women could have more free time. Men still worked 16 hour days but women were now free to work, if they wanted to, start activist groups, or just sit around all day brushing their hair. Once the apathy set in, we needed self help industry, anti depression, industry, diet, Oprah, Vodka, etc, etc.. Abuse, divorce, killer taxes, .... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
brushing hair :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
I would have answered this, but I was too busy sitting around all day and brushing my hair.
:LMAO:
I slept for 16 hours yesterday
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
The fact of the matter is, women used to take care of the the elderly and the children. It was hard work. When women got the vote, they began to vote for things that would make their lives more luxurious. Entitlements got passed to help take care of the elderly, kids and infirm, so that women could have more free time. Men still worked 16 hour days but women were now free to work, if they wanted to, start activist groups, or just sit around all day brushing their hair. Once the apathy set in, we needed self help industry, anti depression, industry, diet, Oprah, Vodka, etc, etc.. Abuse, divorce, killer taxes, .... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
brushing hair :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
I would have answered this, but I was too busy sitting around all day and brushing my hair.
:LMAO:
I slept for 16 hours yesterday
Exploring your feminine side?
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
.... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
This either has to be a troll or Molyneux is more full of shit than I thought.
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
.... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
This either has to be a troll or Molyneux is more full of shit than I thought.
Women's Lib effectively doubled the workforce which caused steep inflation. Double the workfoce meant the dollar was worth half as much.
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It means that you have to pay $7 every hour or you'll die. :P
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It means that you have to pay $7 every hour or you'll die. :P
Wow, those Saw movies are kind of losing their edge.
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It means that you have to pay $7 every hour or you'll die. :P
Wow, those Saw movies are kind of losing their edge.
Credit cards not accepted. :P
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The replies are interesting.
Especially 'Philip Inuhoff'
"We ruined the country when we passed women's suffrage.
.... It's true... Read Molyneux. "
This either has to be a troll or Molyneux is more full of shit than I thought.
Women's Lib effectively doubled the workforce which caused steep inflation. Double the workfoce meant the dollar was worth half as much.
We were talking about slightly different things. Look at the context.
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We were talking about slightly different things. Look at the context.
Though the context might be different, the socio-economic idea of the financial impact of women working outside of the home really isn't. If anything has been taken out of context, it might be the representation of Molyneux, as his views don't promote women's suffrage, but he rather views women's liberation as impossible within a capitalistic society, with socialism being the better format where society as a whole is responsible for the care of children, and thus negating the idea of the usefulness of a family unit and its roles, making men and women equal truly equal both in the workforce as well as child rearing. His views on how such a social structure will also bring equality to homosexuals is also interesting, negating the nuclear family as also negating the threat society perceives homosexuality to be to the family unit. The ideal of a village raising a child with no emphasis on a primary caregiver is a debatable point of view though.
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Anyway, didn't mean to spin off so acutely in that thought. Maybe we just interpreted the original quoted part differently; interpreted the words, ruining the country, as an economic point of view. Could have been mistaken about that.
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:yawn: for some reason this thread makes me sleepy...but this is why this female is going into IT :thumbup:
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We were talking about slightly different things. Look at the context.
Though the context might be different, the socio-economic idea of the financial impact of women working outside of the home really isn't.
The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.
If anything has been taken out of context, it might be the representation of Molyneux, as his views don't promote women's suffrage, but he rather views women's liberation as impossible within a capitalistic society, with socialism being the better format where society as a whole is responsible for the care of children, and thus negating the idea of the usefulness of a family unit and its roles, making men and women equal truly equal both in the workforce as well as child rearing. His views on how such a social structure will also bring equality to homosexuals is also interesting, negating the nuclear family as also negating the threat society perceives homosexuality to be to the family unit. The ideal of a village raising a child with no emphasis on a primary caregiver is a debatable point of view though.
The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.
I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.
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The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.
Fair enough; that makes sense.
The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.
I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.
Yes, Marxist to be specific. Marxism, socialism, communism, sometimes views difficult for me to discern. Some of the things he writes about, specifically in part to gender equality, are a bit odd. It doesn't appear to be an ideology of creating equality by equaling responsibility, but rather equality based in the lack of responsibility. Nurturing children and caring for elderly are the responsibility of neither; it's the state's responsibility. All the way down to things like laundry and meal preparation being state provided services. A system, not where men are equally accountable for typical female roles, but one where women are equally not responsible for typical female roles. It brings to mind some woman working all day in a government laundry service or day care, because if she did those things at home she'd be instead oppressed. It does make bits of sense, in matters of gender equality, but at the same time on some level seems horrific, especially thinking from the perspective of children instead of men or women.
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:yawn: for some reason this thread makes me sleepy...but this is why this female is going into IT :thumbup:
Because of this thread? Because it makes you sleepy? :-\
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The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.
Fair enough; that makes sense.
The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.
I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.
Yes, Marxist to be specific. Marxism, socialism, communism, sometimes views difficult for me to discern. Some of the things he writes about, specifically in part to gender equality, are a bit odd. It doesn't appear to be an ideology of creating equality by equaling responsibility, but rather equality based in the lack of responsibility. Nurturing children and caring for elderly are the responsibility of neither; it's the state's responsibility. All the way down to things like laundry and meal preparation being state provided services. A system, not where men are equally accountable for typical female roles, but one where women are equally not responsible for typical female roles. It brings to mind some woman working all day in a government laundry service or day care, because if she did those things at home she'd be instead oppressed. It does make bits of sense, in matters of gender equality, but at the same time on some level seems horrific, especially thinking from the perspective of children instead of men or women.
He is a stay at home dad, you know.
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:yawn: for some reason this thread makes me sleepy...but this is why this female is going into IT :thumbup:
Because of this thread? Because it makes you sleepy? :-\
eh I'm always in a state of zzz from the freaking night medications :facepalm2:
I have reached a point where I've grown weary of contending and know what I want out of life and go out and just do it not argue one way or another if that makes sense, a combo of age and what I've gone through I suppose...
as a person I don't see people as male and female in the sense of 'suffrage' one way or another...I see all through the lens of 'hey they have things to offer and contribute' and if they don't eh that's on them as a person regardless of male or female...
As for myself IT is a field I have come to love, and it's lucrative so I don't have to be on assistance for longer then I need it, I'm tired of the hand out and want to give back if that makes sense...I want to help others with the gifts I have not stay in a constant stale mate...so the day by day studying and getting the extra time for my A plus tests through testing then faxing it to person vue (pain in the butt) but it'll be good for five years the no timed during tests...so it's worth it, the effort...
At the end of the day, I want to make something of myself and offer security IT services to others that need it for their businesses eventually freelancing is the goal, and going back to school to finish my bs would be nice as well :agreed: I'll be making enough at that point to pay off debt point blank, none of this robbing peter to pay paul nonsense...I tire of it...so finishing school, getting a good IT security job with good pay, helping others with my talents, and the sky being the limit are my goals...
By the end of this year 2015 having both A plus tests passed and searching for a job are the two goals for this year... :headbang2:
Hope this makes sense
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The difference being that I see it as something that society has to adjust for, where he says it ruined society.
Fair enough; that makes sense.
The last thing Stephan Molyneux is, is a socialist, although he has contradicted himself in the past.
I think many advocates of socialism would agree with you though, that under socialism, the government is a substitute for a nuclear family.
Yes, Marxist to be specific. Marxism, socialism, communism, sometimes views difficult for me to discern. Some of the things he writes about, specifically in part to gender equality, are a bit odd. It doesn't appear to be an ideology of creating equality by equaling responsibility, but rather equality based in the lack of responsibility. Nurturing children and caring for elderly are the responsibility of neither; it's the state's responsibility. All the way down to things like laundry and meal preparation being state provided services. A system, not where men are equally accountable for typical female roles, but one where women are equally not responsible for typical female roles. It brings to mind some woman working all day in a government laundry service or day care, because if she did those things at home she'd be instead oppressed. It does make bits of sense, in matters of gender equality, but at the same time on some level seems horrific, especially thinking from the perspective of children instead of men or women.
He is a stay at home dad, you know.
Good for him.
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He is a stay at home dad, you know.
What a freaking hypocrite. :zoinks: