INTENSITY²
Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: ZEGH8578 on September 16, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
-
is it really okay to make them cry, for a movie?
is there some sort of procedure for it?
a baby cant act, so either it cries cus its hungry, or scared, or in discomfort, either way, theyre making a baby sad, for the purpose of entertainment. just now, in some movie, they were yelling angrily, while holding a crying baby. the baby cant differ between reality and acting, and is exposed to a frightening scenario.
we treat animal "actors" way better, and make sure they are never truly frightened anytime during recording.
i realize there isnt that much of an alternative, but that goes for many types of scenario, for example, the convincing-appearing killing of animals in a movie. it simply doesnt get done, cus killing animals for a movie is illegal. theyll have to make due with puppets, or computer graphics, and simply just accept it.
(that doesnt stop PETA for mistaking a one-piece-mold fake animal for the real thing tho :D oh, i love those guys)
-
is it really okay to make them cry, for a movie?
is there some sort of procedure for it?
a baby cant act, so either it cries cus its hungry, or scared, or in discomfort, either way, theyre making a baby sad, for the purpose of entertainment. just now, in some movie, they were yelling angrily, while holding a crying baby. the baby cant differ between reality and acting, and is exposed to a frightening scenario.
we treat animal "actors" way better, and make sure they are never truly frightened anytime during recording.
i realize there isnt that much of an alternative, but that goes for many types of scenario, for example, the convincing-appearing killing of animals in a movie. it simply doesnt get done, cus killing animals for a movie is illegal. theyll have to make due with puppets, or computer graphics, and simply just accept it.
(that doesnt stop PETA for mistaking a one-piece-mold fake animal for the real thing tho :D oh, i love those guys)
They don't use real babies. They use tiny bald dwarves who have attended acting class to teach them to cry like babies.
I thought everybody knew this.
-
the john waters "desperate living" ( great movie) got a lot of heat for putting a 2 year only in a refrigerator. He said it was only for 30 seconds and it wasn't cold.
I know they used to do all kinds of horrible things to Shirley Temple to make her cry. I remember hearing about this one time they gave her a puppy, then took it away and said the puppy died. :(
-
butterflies, you just "peta'd" me >:'0
eris, HAHAHAAAAA thats brilliant "this kid isnt convincing enough:/" "hmmm, lemme try... Hey kid, your mother just died. yes. hit by a bus. shes gone. There!"
-
I'm not sure in other countries and states, but here are the California guidelines summarized. Most of the time multiples are hired to ensure that one baby is awake, to extend the available filming time, etc. As far as it being cruel, I don't think the occasional "nudge" to get a baby to cry is going to scar them for life any more than a jack-in-the-box will.
http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf (http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf)
-
I'm not sure in other countries and states, but here are the California guidelines summarized. Most of the time multiples are hired to ensure that one baby is awake, to extend the available filming time, etc. As far as it being cruel, I don't think the occasional "nudge" to get a baby to cry is going to scar them for life any more than a jack-in-the-box will.
http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf (http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf)
i wonder tho, cus its only cus they cant complain.
one could say the say about adults. if one isnt acting convincing, give them a slap across the face, or a couple of slaps. it wont scar them for life, but itll make them act more convincingly, if they, for a moment, believe theyre in real danger.
-
I'm not sure in other countries and states, but here are the California guidelines summarized. Most of the time multiples are hired to ensure that one baby is awake, to extend the available filming time, etc. As far as it being cruel, I don't think the occasional "nudge" to get a baby to cry is going to scar them for life any more than a jack-in-the-box will.
http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf (http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf)
i wonder tho, cus its only cus they cant complain.
one could say the say about adults. if one isnt acting convincing, give them a slap across the face, or a couple of slaps. it wont scar them for life, but itll make them act more convincingly, if they, for a moment, believe theyre in real danger.
They do complain, they cry. Although I'm not entirely positive a baby is more likely to be made to cry by a loud noise, a little pinch, something fairly innocous rather than a face slap which would leave a red mark and the director dead from the mother and/or crew attacking him.
-
I'm not sure in other countries and states, but here are the California guidelines summarized. Most of the time multiples are hired to ensure that one baby is awake, to extend the available filming time, etc. As far as it being cruel, I don't think the occasional "nudge" to get a baby to cry is going to scar them for life any more than a jack-in-the-box will.
http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf (http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf)
i wonder tho, cus its only cus they cant complain.
one could say the say about adults. if one isnt acting convincing, give them a slap across the face, or a couple of slaps. it wont scar them for life, but itll make them act more convincingly, if they, for a moment, believe theyre in real danger.
They do complain, they cry. Although I'm not entirely positive a baby is more likely to be made to cry by a loud noise, a little pinch, something fairly innocous rather than a face slap which would leave a red mark and the director dead from the mother and/or crew attacking him.
:D :D
-
Zegh: you're not going all Dr Phil and Oprah on us, are you? Please tell me it isn't so.
-
Zegh: you're not going all Dr Phil and Oprah on us, are you? Please tell me it isn't so.
you can sugar coat it all you like -
hm... i forgot how he says that.
i dO have a mustache!
-
Zegh: you're not going all Dr Phil and Oprah on us, are you? Please tell me it isn't so.
you can sugar coat it all you like -
hm... i forgot how he says that.
i dO have a mustache!
My favorite Dr. Phil saying is
"You either git it or you don't!" :dunno:
-
When shooting a film where a baby is involved, a lot of the time you plan the shots around that baby so that you can quickly do closeups and the like when, erm, the baby feels like it. I made a short film in a previous life where a baby had a small but important part. Crying wasn't a problem but sleeping was, because of everything else that happened on the set (we were filming on location), and getting that one shot where the baby was sleeping peacefully was a bitch.
Dr Phil would not have approved of our methods.
-
is it really okay to make them cry, for a movie?
is there some sort of procedure for it?
a baby cant act, so either it cries cus its hungry, or scared, or in discomfort, either way, theyre making a baby sad, for the purpose of entertainment. just now, in some movie, they were yelling angrily, while holding a crying baby. the baby cant differ between reality and acting, and is exposed to a frightening scenario.
we treat animal "actors" way better, and make sure they are never truly frightened anytime during recording.
i realize there isnt that much of an alternative, but that goes for many types of scenario, for example, the convincing-appearing killing of animals in a movie. it simply doesnt get done, cus killing animals for a movie is illegal. theyll have to make due with puppets, or computer graphics, and simply just accept it.
(that doesnt stop PETA for mistaking a one-piece-mold fake animal for the real thing tho :D oh, i love those guys)
I wonder whether they would just wait until the baby is crying for reasons of his or her own, then quickly film the crying baby scene. I think that the harder thing would be filming a scene where the baby isn't crying, like a scene with the baby smiling and cooing or sleeping, given all the lights and activity that would be happening on a movie set. They can't work a baby under six months old for more than fifteen minutes at a time anyway and no more than a total of two hours in a day and the baby's parent would have to be within sight or sound of the baby at all times.
BABIES: Babies under six months old are limited
to 1 period of 2 consecutive hours in any 1 day, either
between 9:30 am and 11:30 am or between 2:30 pm
and 4:30 pm. For babies 15 days to 6 weeks; 1 studio
teacher and 1 nurse must be present for every 3
babies. For babies 6 weeks to 6 months; 1 teacher and
1 nurse must be provided for every 10 babies.
-
I'm not sure in other countries and states, but here are the California guidelines summarized. Most of the time multiples are hired to ensure that one baby is awake, to extend the available filming time, etc. As far as it being cruel, I don't think the occasional "nudge" to get a baby to cry is going to scar them for life any more than a jack-in-the-box will.
http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf (http://ftv.chapman.edu/ftvstudents/pdf/form-MINORS-GUIDELINES.pdf)
i wonder tho, cus its only cus they cant complain.
one could say the say about adults. if one isnt acting convincing, give them a slap across the face, or a couple of slaps. it wont scar them for life, but itll make them act more convincingly, if they, for a moment, believe theyre in real danger.
They do complain, they cry. Although I'm not entirely positive a baby is more likely to be made to cry by a loud noise, a little pinch, something fairly innocous rather than a face slap which would leave a red mark and the director dead from the mother and/or crew attacking him.
If the Father did not get the first
-
When you have a baby you quickly learn that you don't have to actually DO anything to make them cry. Just wait a few minutes.
-
When you have a baby you quickly learn that you don't have to actually DO anything to make them cry. Just wait a few minutes.
yes but still, when it starts to cry, the best way to handle it, isnt to have actors scream threats at each others for 5 minutes, thats why i wondered.
-
When you have a baby you quickly learn that you don't have to actually DO anything to make them cry. Just wait a few minutes.
yes but still, when it starts to cry, the best way to handle it, isnt to have actors scream threats at each others for 5 minutes, thats why i wondered.
True. That isn't exactly "parenting".
-
They use these and it's just a touch of a button from the director and the baby cries on cue :zoinks:
(http://remotedogshockcollar.eu/images/Remote%20Dog%20Shock%20Collar.jpg)
-
When you have a baby you quickly learn that you don't have to actually DO anything to make them cry. Just wait a few minutes.
yes but still, when it starts to cry, the best way to handle it, isnt to have actors scream threats at each others for 5 minutes, thats why i wondered.
True. That isn't exactly "parenting".
You don't plan the shot in a way that shows the baby, in that case. You cut to it for closeups and reactions but use a doll when possible, adding sound effects to have the audience think that it's an actual baby. It's not just a question of parenting but a way to avoid problems mid-shot. Babies are really bad at following directions.