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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: bodie on June 08, 2011, 03:01:05 AM
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The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that Britain is acting unlawfully by taking away the right to vote of people in prison.
Britain has not allowed it's prisoner's this right for 140 years.... now there will be certain prisoner's who will be given this opportunity.
Is the European Court right?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5126647/Prisoners-to-get-right-to-vote-after-140-years-following-European-ruling.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5126647/Prisoners-to-get-right-to-vote-after-140-years-following-European-ruling.html)
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I don't agree with giving them the right to vote. If anything, prisoners should have less rights than they currently do now IMO.
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Depends on the crime and the prisoner's state of mind. If it's a totally sane petty criminal that's stolen a few things I don't see the problem.
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Prisoners should have the right to vote :zombiefuck: Sorry when your in prison you lose certain things.
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Agree with Parts.
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Everyone of legal age should have the right to vote. It's a fundamental right in representative democracies.
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So is freedom but that is taken away from prisoners also. Being a prisoner means giving up certain rights as a citizen.
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
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So is freedom but that is taken away from prisoners also. Being a prisoner means giving up certain rights as a citizen.
No; it means restricting certain rights to protect society as a whole. Prisoners give up their right to freedom of movement because it would be dangerous to society to let them move about (and it would ruin the basis of prison as a punishment, which also harms society); they give up their right to own guns because it would be dangerous to allow prisoners to own guns; etc. There should be a reason for why any right is ever restricted. Why should prisoners give up the right to vote?
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
I said someone who deserves to be locked up, someone who deserves it in my opinion
What kind of crimes deserve that sort of punishment is a whole other issue
obviously if someone is wrongly convicted then they should be able to vote, but if they're wrongly convicted then they are no longer is prison so that's irrelevant. unless you mean at a time when it's unknown that they are innocent, then it is assumed then that they arae guilty, so again not relevant
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
I said someone who deserves to be locked up, someone who deserves it in my opinion
What kind of crimes deserve that sort of punishment is a whole other issue
obviously if someone is wrongly convicted then they should be able to vote, but if they're wrongly convicted then they are no longer is prison so that's irrelevant. unless you mean at a time when it's unknown that they are innocent, then it is assumed then that they arae guilty, so again not relevant
Your system unnecessarily restricts the rights of prisoners. Why shouldn't they be able to vote?
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If you go to prison and you still have the same basic human rights and privileges of society, then it isn't a prison. The whole point of prison is to punish people who did nothing but disrupt others, which is done by restricting freedoms that we take for granted as citizens. If you give prisoners more freedoms, IMO then they might aswell be not in prison, but at a holiday resort that wastes tax money.
EDIT: Prison is so comfy to some people that they deliberately commit crimes in order to have better living conditions.
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The entire concept of prison is a relatively new one in the history of humankind, and a fucked up one at that. Especially in the US where we keep a higher percentage of our population in prison than Russia or China. Questions like whether or not they should be able to vote should take a backseat to the important questions like why a society should pay trillions of dollars to punish people in this fashion.
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If you go to prison and you still have the same basic human rights and privileges of society, then it isn't a prison. The whole point of prison is to punish people who did nothing but disrupt others, which is done by restricting freedoms that we take for granted as citizens. If you give prisoners more freedoms, IMO then they might aswell be not in prison, but at a holiday resort that wastes tax money.
EDIT: Prison is so comfy to some people that they deliberately commit crimes in order to have better living conditions.
The point of prison is to restrict prisoner access to society to minimize the damage that they can cause. Preventing prisoners from voting doesn't help that.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
:agreed:
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If you go to prison and you still have the same basic human rights and privileges of society, then it isn't a prison. The whole point of prison is to punish people who did nothing but disrupt others, which is done by restricting freedoms that we take for granted as citizens. If you give prisoners more freedoms, IMO then they might aswell be not in prison, but at a holiday resort that wastes tax money.
EDIT: Prison is so comfy to some people that they deliberately commit crimes in order to have better living conditions.
That's quite common in repeat criminals I've heard, they just commit loads of small crimes so they can get an extra year or so in prison. It's like prison becomes their only home because when they're released they are homeless and their family don't want to know them anymore. Kind of a sad situation to be in to keep deliberately committing crime just to get into jail.
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If you go to prison and you still have the same basic human rights and privileges of society, then it isn't a prison. The whole point of prison is to punish people who did nothing but disrupt others, which is done by restricting freedoms that we take for granted as citizens. If you give prisoners more freedoms, IMO then they might aswell be not in prison, but at a holiday resort that wastes tax money.
EDIT: Prison is so comfy to some people that they deliberately commit crimes in order to have better living conditions.
Well if you're homeless and you know that prison provides the necessities as well as primitive luxuries, then who wouldn't take the risk of being beaten, raped or tortured by other inmates for free accommodation? The same could happen on the streets one night by thugs.
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So is freedom but that is taken away from prisoners also. Being a prisoner means giving up certain rights as a citizen.
No; it means restricting certain rights to protect society as a whole. Prisoners give up their right to freedom of movement because it would be dangerous to society to let them move about (and it would ruin the basis of prison as a punishment, which also harms society); they give up their right to own guns because it would be dangerous to allow prisoners to own guns; etc. There should be a reason for why any right is ever restricted. Why should prisoners give up the right to vote?
Because they are being punished and being punished means giving up certain privileges of citizenship. I agree that there are way too many people in prison who should not be there and it does need reform but it is indeed punishment. As part of the punishment for having to be removed from society you should give up your right to fully participate. Until recently felons in many states lost their right to vote even after getting out of prison but this is changing but had been up held as constitutional in the US. I feel once their sentence is complete they should get their right to vote back but while they are in jail no.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
You make some good points.
On the other hand, it could be difficult to set up a voting booth in prison without it becoming a security risk.
I think that people should get their voting rights back when they get out of prison, but I'm not sure they should have the same rights while they are in prison.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
You make some good points.
On the other hand, it could be difficult to set up a voting booth in prison without it becoming a security risk.
I think that people should get their voting rights back when they get out of prison, but I'm not sure they should have the same rights while they are in prison.
Why not hand prisoners paper and a writing utensil, then watch as they record their votes? Prisoners already have jobs, receive visitors, eat, write letters, etc. Practically speaking, a system could be set up that would allow prisoners to vote without decreasing security.
So is freedom but that is taken away from prisoners also. Being a prisoner means giving up certain rights as a citizen.
No; it means restricting certain rights to protect society as a whole. Prisoners give up their right to freedom of movement because it would be dangerous to society to let them move about (and it would ruin the basis of prison as a punishment, which also harms society); they give up their right to own guns because it would be dangerous to allow prisoners to own guns; etc. There should be a reason for why any right is ever restricted. Why should prisoners give up the right to vote?
Because they are being punished and being punished means giving up certain privileges of citizenship. I agree that there are way too many people in prison who should not be there and it does need reform but it is indeed punishment. As part of the punishment for having to be removed from society you should give up your right to fully participate. Until recently felons in many states lost their right to vote even after getting out of prison but this is changing but had been up held as constitutional in the US. I feel once their sentence is complete they should get their right to vote back but while they are in jail no.
Voting is a right, not a privilege. Everyone of legal age should have the right to vote, and any restriction of that right should be justified by a direct benefit provided to society. Prisoners aren't fully participating in society because they're in prison, not in the community. Prisoners are in prison because they have been judged to have committed a crime, and they have been given due process and the chance to defend themselves in court. It is necessary to seclude them because they are actively dangerous to society: they will continue to commit crimes if allowed to roam about in the community. Prison should also rehabilitate prisoners to enable them to function in society without committing crimes. Prison also serves as a deterrent, but this is secondary to the other two goals. Restricting voting rights does not add to the likelihood of achieving any of the three goals (except, perhaps, to provide a minimal deterrent value). Prisoners are still citizens, and they deserve the benefits of citizenship (assuming that they were citizens to begin with).
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
You make some good points.
On the other hand, it could be difficult to set up a voting booth in prison without it becoming a security risk.
I think that people should get their voting rights back when they get out of prison, but I'm not sure they should have the same rights while they are in prison.
Why not hand prisoners paper and a writing utensil, then watch as they record their votes? Prisoners already have jobs, receive visitors, eat, write letters, etc. Practically speaking, a system could be set up that would allow prisoners to vote without decreasing security.
So is freedom but that is taken away from prisoners also. Being a prisoner means giving up certain rights as a citizen.
No; it means restricting certain rights to protect society as a whole. Prisoners give up their right to freedom of movement because it would be dangerous to society to let them move about (and it would ruin the basis of prison as a punishment, which also harms society); they give up their right to own guns because it would be dangerous to allow prisoners to own guns; etc. There should be a reason for why any right is ever restricted. Why should prisoners give up the right to vote?
Because they are being punished and being punished means giving up certain privileges of citizenship. I agree that there are way too many people in prison who should not be there and it does need reform but it is indeed punishment. As part of the punishment for having to be removed from society you should give up your right to fully participate. Until recently felons in many states lost their right to vote even after getting out of prison but this is changing but had been up held as constitutional in the US. I feel once their sentence is complete they should get their right to vote back but while they are in jail no.
Voting is a right, not a privilege. Everyone of legal age should have the right to vote, and any restriction of that right should be justified by a direct benefit provided to society. Prisoners aren't fully participating in society because they're in prison, not in the community. Prisoners are in prison because they have been judged to have committed a crime, and they have been given due process and the chance to defend themselves in court. It is necessary to seclude them because they are actively dangerous to society: they will continue to commit crimes if allowed to roam about in the community. Prison should also rehabilitate prisoners to enable them to function in society without committing crimes. Prison also serves as a deterrent, but this is secondary to the other two goals. Restricting voting rights does not add to the likelihood of achieving any of the three goals (except, perhaps, to provide a minimal deterrent value). Prisoners are still citizens, and they deserve the benefits of citizenship (assuming that they were citizens to begin with).
Sorry not a privilege but a right of citizenship you are correct but as prisoners I feel they should lose that until they have paid for their crimes. As for the goings on in prisons and how they should be treated that is a topic for another thread. I feel the same way about it being for rehabilitation and think the whole system needs an overhaul.
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
I said someone who deserves to be locked up, someone who deserves it in my opinion
What kind of crimes deserve that sort of punishment is a whole other issue
obviously if someone is wrongly convicted then they should be able to vote, but if they're wrongly convicted then they are no longer is prison so that's irrelevant. unless you mean at a time when it's unknown that they are innocent, then it is assumed then that they arae guilty, so again not relevant
Your system unnecessarily restricts the rights of prisoners. Why shouldn't they be able to vote?
Why don't people like you stop worrying about the criminals and take a little time out to think of the victim, or the victim's families who might have a life sentence of pain, without their loved ones? Maybe if we stopped trying to make prison into some 5 star hotel, it might put people off committing crimes.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
People are responsible for their own actions, its time to stop mothering society. They should feel so ashamed of their crimes, that they are hell bent on turning their life's around, and fitting back in with society.
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Well, if voting is a basic right then why shouldn't illegal aliens be allowed to vote? Why shouldn't I request a mail ballot and vote in the elections in France?
If prisoners are allowed a vote:
I'm not sure all that many would be interested in voting.
I'm guessing that prisons aren't usually physically located in towns so their votes on city/town elections would be minimal. They might have a slight effect on county/parish elections, almost no effect on state or national elections.
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Well, if voting is a basic right then why shouldn't illegal aliens be allowed to vote? Why shouldn't I request a mail ballot and vote in the elections in France?
If prisoners are allowed a vote:
I'm not sure all that many would be interested in voting.
I'm guessing that prisons aren't usually physically located in towns so their votes on city/town elections would be minimal. They might have a slight effect on county/parish elections, almost no effect on state or national elections.
I am assuming that the prisoners would otherwise be allowed to vote in the elections. You are twisting the issue.
It doesn't matter what the effect would be on elections. What matters is that "one person, one vote" is a fundamental principle of this country. Because of the electoral college, the votes of many citizens do not matter in presidential elections because of what state they reside in. Should their right to vote be restricted because the result is a foregone conclusion?
The question shouldn't be whether prisoners should be allowed to vote. The question should be whether there is sufficient cause to restrict prisoners from voting.
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
I said someone who deserves to be locked up, someone who deserves it in my opinion
What kind of crimes deserve that sort of punishment is a whole other issue
obviously if someone is wrongly convicted then they should be able to vote, but if they're wrongly convicted then they are no longer is prison so that's irrelevant. unless you mean at a time when it's unknown that they are innocent, then it is assumed then that they arae guilty, so again not relevant
Your system unnecessarily restricts the rights of prisoners. Why shouldn't they be able to vote?
Why don't people like you stop worrying about the criminals and take a little time out to think of the victim, or the victim's families who might have a life sentence of pain, without their loved ones? Maybe if we stopped trying to make prison into some 5 star hotel, it might put people off committing crimes.
In the US a very large percentage of "criminals" have committed victim-less crimes, mostly drug related.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
People are responsible for their own actions, its time to stop mothering society. They should feel so ashamed of their crimes, that they are hell bent on turning their life's around, and fitting back in with society.
Yeah repent you lot for not paying your TV licence! - cus that is what prison is clogged up with i am afraid, people who commit petty crimes - people who didn't buy
a TV license, people who didn't pay their 'council tax' and people who didn't pay fines!!! Prison should only be an option if they pose a danger to the public.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
People are responsible for their own actions, its time to stop mothering society. They should feel so ashamed of their crimes, that they are hell bent on turning their life's around, and fitting back in with society.
Yeah repent you lot for not paying your TV licence! - cus that is what prison is clogged up with i am afraid, people who commit petty crimes - people who didn't buy
a TV license, people who didn't pay their 'council tax' and people who didn't pay fines!!! Prison should only be an option if they pose a danger to the public.
Are they still real bastards on that over there? I remember watching a news program on the enforcement of that law the police had directional antennas and would look for the TV's IF signal and bust the people. The entire prison system and going to jail for nonviolent crimes needs to be overhauled I would consider this a separate issue that desperately needs to be addressed
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
People are responsible for their own actions, its time to stop mothering society. They should feel so ashamed of their crimes, that they are hell bent on turning their life's around, and fitting back in with society.
Yeah repent you lot for not paying your TV licence! - cus that is what prison is clogged up with i am afraid, people who commit petty crimes - people who didn't buy
a TV license, people who didn't pay their 'council tax' and people who didn't pay fines!!! Prison should only be an option if they pose a danger to the public.
Are they still real bastards on that over there? I remember watching a news program on the enforcement of that law the police had directional antennas and would look for the TV's IF signal and bust the people. The entire prison system and going to jail for nonviolent crimes needs to be overhauled I would consider this a separate issue that desperately needs to be addressed
Yes definately. Agreed. The BBC and it's poxy licence fee is a joke.
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In a country where we routinely have elections that are decided by a percentage point or less and keeps 1% of its population in jail, it seems like a good way to force politicians to reduce the number of people kept locked up to give those prisoners a vote.
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
I said someone who deserves to be locked up, someone who deserves it in my opinion
What kind of crimes deserve that sort of punishment is a whole other issue
obviously if someone is wrongly convicted then they should be able to vote, but if they're wrongly convicted then they are no longer is prison so that's irrelevant. unless you mean at a time when it's unknown that they are innocent, then it is assumed then that they arae guilty, so again not relevant
Your system unnecessarily restricts the rights of prisoners. Why shouldn't they be able to vote?
Why don't people like you stop worrying about the criminals and take a little time out to think of the victim, or the victim's families who might have a life sentence of pain, without their loved ones? Maybe if we stopped trying to make prison into some 5 star hotel, it might put people off committing crimes.
In the US a very large percentage of "criminals" have committed victim-less crimes, mostly drug related.
They broke the law, its their own fault for getting caught.
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I also dislike the prison system.
I think too many petty criminals come out of prison with much bigger idea's.
I think the idea behind prison is not just solely as a punishment. I think
rehabilitation is also a factor (or at least meant to be)
Thinking about the fact that a lot of these prisoner's will one day be
released, then i think an interest in politic's and community issues should
be encouraged.
Otherwise you make the 'them' and 'us' gap even wider. People who feel
a part of their community and actively play a part in it's decision process
are surely less likely to want to cause harm to that community.
Just my thought's.
People are responsible for their own actions, its time to stop mothering society. They should feel so ashamed of their crimes, that they are hell bent on turning their life's around, and fitting back in with society.
Yeah repent you lot for not paying your TV licence! - cus that is what prison is clogged up with i am afraid, people who commit petty crimes - people who didn't buy
a TV license, people who didn't pay their 'council tax' and people who didn't pay fines!!! Prison should only be an option if they pose a danger to the public.
Right, and cause prison is full of people like that, they let thugs off with a public order offense and a warning. I agree though, those people should just do community service.
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
Would you say the same thing about a political prisoner, or someone who was wrongfully convicted?
I said someone who deserves to be locked up, someone who deserves it in my opinion
What kind of crimes deserve that sort of punishment is a whole other issue
obviously if someone is wrongly convicted then they should be able to vote, but if they're wrongly convicted then they are no longer is prison so that's irrelevant. unless you mean at a time when it's unknown that they are innocent, then it is assumed then that they arae guilty, so again not relevant
Your system unnecessarily restricts the rights of prisoners. Why shouldn't they be able to vote?
Why don't people like you stop worrying about the criminals and take a little time out to think of the victim, or the victim's families who might have a life sentence of pain, without their loved ones? Maybe if we stopped trying to make prison into some 5 star hotel, it might put people off committing crimes.
In the US a very large percentage of "criminals" have committed victim-less crimes, mostly drug related.
They broke the law, its their own fault for getting caught.
What if tomorrow they passed a new law in your country that made it illegal to be a douchebag? Since you have already achieved this distinction you would immediately be arrested and thrown in jail. Is that your fault for not leaving the country?
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You don't make the laws, thats just your opinion of me. I work hard and help society. If the goverment had a choice of locking me or you up, you'd be chosen hands down.
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If the goverment had a choice of locking me or you up, you'd be chosen hands down.
And what is that based on? Cause I am mean to you? We aren't even accountable to the same government Benji :hahaha:
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you can get prison for anything.
too many parking violations, no ability to pay for them = prisontime
voting is for everybody.
either we play democracy, or we play something else.
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If the goverment had a choice of locking me or you up, you'd be chosen hands down.
And what is that based on? Cause I am mean to you? We aren't even accountable to the same government Benji :hahaha:
We are all accountable to Callousway and her evil whims. >:D
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When I was in psychiatric hospital in 2005/6 I got out of voting in the state election somehow. When I got out of hospital, I was like, "Who is that guy?" when I saw a picture of the new Premier of WA.
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If the goverment had a choice of locking me or you up, you'd be chosen hands down.
And what is that based on? Cause I am mean to you? We aren't even accountable to the same government Benji :hahaha:
They'd still rather bring you over and put you in our slammer :zoinks:
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If the goverment had a choice of locking me or you up, you'd be chosen hands down.
And what is that based on? Cause I am mean to you? We aren't even accountable to the same government Benji :hahaha:
They'd still rather bring you over and put you in our slammer :zoinks:
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbup:
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You know me, all you have to do is ask :eyelash:
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In Sweden prisoners are allowed to vote.
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imo if you commit a crime bad enough to deserve to be locked away, then you forfeit your rights
Basic human rights, yeah
But the right to participate in a society whose rules you refuse to follow? If you can't contribute to society then you can't claim to have the same rights others have
and by contribute to society I don't mean with money or anything, but by simply being a decent law-abiding person
I would say I have changed my mind on this. I'm not so sure now. I still agree with much of what I said above, but now I think I'd class the right to vote as one of those rights which should be kept by prisoners, other than the criminally insane. They are still British citizens and should be represented imo
Also I doubt many of them would vote Tory :P
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The entire concept of prison is a relatively new one in the history of humankind, and a fucked up one at that. Especially in the US where we keep a higher percentage of our population in prison than Russia or China. Questions like whether or not they should be able to vote should take a backseat to the important questions like why a society should pay trillions of dollars to punish people in this fashion.
A good point. Trying to think about an alternative.
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Abandon drug legislation, deport the illegals, and boil the (DNA profiled, confirmed) rapists/nonces in their own urine, slowly.
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Abandon drug legislation, deport the illegals, and boil the (DNA profiled, confirmed) rapists/nonces in their own urine, slowly.
Yes, but should they be allowed to vote afterwards?
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Illegals? fuckers never had the right to take away, nonces, rapists, definitely...but only after prolonged boiling in own urine :P see how many of the dirty bastards get up and vote ex post facto:D
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If they're let out, I see no issue giving them back the rights they lose during their time in prison. They can vote for whoever they like then.
That said, I would also like capital punishment reinstated for more serious criminals/repeat offenders. If someone never learns, then they can face the consequence of death.
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Illegals? fuckers never had the right to take away, nonces, rapists, definitely...but only after prolonged boiling in own urine :P see how many of the dirty bastards get up and vote ex post facto:D
:plus:
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The problem with capital punishment, is miscarriages of justice. One can't compensate a corpse.
And holiday camps? I'm going to bite my tongue HARD right now, and keep it shut.
Other than to say, that here in the UK, the conditions are appalling, the food fucking awful (seriously...how DO you cook a roast chicken to make it turn grey...sheesh) and the overcrowding is at a crisis point) hotel? name me a hotel where you order dinner, then have to stamp some ignorant, androgen-laden teen thug's face into the dirt, or take somebody's shoes just for the right to choke it down.
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Make the conditions more appauling! :orly:
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Make the conditions more appauling! :orly:
That would be tempting if not for the fact that so many are in there for non violent drug offenses and the ones that are in there due to lacking the money to put up an good defense
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In Sweden the state pays your attorney if you earn less than 260000 kronor/year. That's about $40000. You don't get a bad lawyer just because s/he is paid by the state.
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Its fucking blatantly obvious you have never been sent down schleed, been in two myself, I know what the Hades I speak of. Do you? or are you just pulling such hackneyed, false and empty SHITE out of your arse to hear the sound of your own voice?
Conditions in the first one of two were SO decrepit and generally fucked, that do you know how one guy got himself a break from his wing?
Poor rotten bastard stuck a snapped off broom handle up his chocolate starfish and jumped off the top bunk in his pad.
No matter who you are, unless you are something like a shao-lin monk, or ex navy seal, there are always going to be bigger, harder, brain-onation rejects (despite sales tag reading-one prev. owner only, never been used') who will take anything as excuse to probe, like wolves, for a weakness then move in without mercy unless put out of action quickly, painfully and efficiently.
Happened to me. I preferred to take my 'food' somewhere out of the way, I.e my pad, and eat there, some big dirty great prick just felt like KOing me, no way I could beat him physically. Fucker shouldn't have started shit with an autie biochemist.....*smiles nastily at the thought of what that cereal did to him........*
Got cat-A'ed a while after that, but after he go out of hopital he was too far weakened to pose any threat, a big bastard, but a stupid fucking thug type that evidently had no idea DIY NBC (minus the 'N' bit)
Aside from a TV, a blanked, and the chance, if able-bodied and there IS work, to slave for way below minimum wage, in order to scrape together enough coppers to buy some tobacco, toiletries and snack food. The ONLY luxury goods in there of any kind, are hideously expensive weed, and less pricy, but shite deals and the quality...I wouldn't fucking bother handing over 4oz of bvaccy for one measly wrap outside.
And yes, I was remanded, a miscarriage of justice. Only the once, the reason I got cat-A'd and sent to max sec I don't know.
I found the conditions in there much less primitive and altogether not so fucking sick in the head, a lot of lifers, rather than just teenaged spotty little brick-fodder, lags with a looong arse sentence just tend to want to get by, live and let live, serve their time peacefully, then fuck off if they can.
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[suspicious]Two times in jail? All respect! I have only been in custody and the nuthouse.[/suspicious]
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I got remanded once, and transferred from a cat C pesthole, to a cat A wing in strangeways.