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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Loupgarou on September 18, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
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You know that thread on WP that I started? It has gone into the fucking bin. People don't LISTEN, or think or are too polarsied or some such thing. I am sick of having my words twisted or maybe I didn't explain myself enough.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html)
I can barely go there anymore. So TIRED of fighting. Been fighting my whole life. It is time for a rest.
Loup
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Loup
That's typical of WP. It doesn't matter what you say to them, some of those dickheads will twist it 'round, then the mods will come in and back them up when they feel threatened. We might 'enable' people here as well, but at least we give people a fair go to have their say.
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i dont post there anymore. its hard to leave (mostly because its so active) but it can be done
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Loup
That's typical of WP. It doesn't matter what you say to them, some of those dickheads will twist it 'round, then the mods will come in and back them up when they feel threatened. We might 'enable' people here as well, but at least we give people a fair go to have their say.
Steve-O, did you read it? I wasn't nasty or a fuckknuckle that I can see. Maybe I am polarised. Maybe I have fought so long to not be a victim, that I forget that some people are victims because they do not know how to be any other way. Enable or not, I have found more support in the few days that I have been here, than I ever did on there. I don't need anyone to sort my problems for me, but it is nice to have mates. And yes, a fair go is sometimes all that we need. Thank you.
Being a female on there also made me feel like a monster, purely because I am not a vocal emotional creature generally. I mean it is nice to talk about feelings sometimes to release stuff, but I have a psychologist for that. I wasn't having any FUN on there. It might be my imagination, but I always felt isolated amongst people "of my own kind". I don't need that......me against the world bullshit.
Now, I am raving......and talking about my "feelings" ;)
Loup
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When the pupil is ready, the teacher will come.
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i dont post there anymore. its hard to leave (mostly because its so active) but it can be done
Richard, I have barely thought about the place to be honest. The only reason I went to check my thread was beacsue I got an email notification that someone had replied to it. I am not saying that peoples responses are not valid, but if I wanted to politicise everything, I would be a politician.
Sorry Richard.....still raving :violin:
Loup
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Thread seems okay enough. What's the problem with it?
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When the pupil is ready, the teacher will come.
That sounds suspiciously Taoist ;)........a queen after my own heart.
Loup
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Thread seems okay enough. What's the problem with it?
Just seemed to go off track to me. Might just be my perception of it. I have such a hard time explaining myself, that I probably look for flaws in reasoning that aren't there. Just one of my endearing foibles.
Loup
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Yes. More of a discussion of what's wrong with kids and parents today in general. Obviously not what was intended.
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You know that thread on WP that I started? It has gone into the fucking bin. People don't LISTEN, or think or are too polarsied or some such thing. I am sick of having my words twisted or maybe I didn't explain myself enough.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html)
I can barely go there anymore. So TIRED of fighting. Been fighting my whole life. It is time for a rest.
Loup
I gave a couple of examples of fucking up individuals who needed painful lessons at WP a couple of years back and got the same naysayer shit like Callista is spewing. Some of the others seem to be getting all, or part, of your point but Anneurysm and Apple_In_Your_Eye like the "whine to others and hope for good results" method just like some retorted that my methods would cause legal trouble for the afflicted aspie - as if having a douchebag thinking you are a good target is not trouble. One thing I noticed is that you are a little less blunt than I was and got the same type of response. :duh: Alex' friend Anbeund is one of those that like to advocate by whining to others for protection. I still like to hit back real hard when necessary but some will never get it. I know that not all auties are capable of doing it that way but it is at least worth a try. People tend to be less willing to fuck with those that they believe will hurt them win or lose. Maybe you should stop throwing pearls before swine for a bit Loup. :plus: for trying to help.
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Loup
That's typical of WP. It doesn't matter what you say to them, some of those dickheads will twist it 'round, then the mods will come in and back them up when they feel threatened. We might 'enable' people here as well, but at least we give people a fair go to have their say.
Steve-O, did you read it? I wasn't nasty or a fuckknuckle that I can see. Maybe I am polarised. Maybe I have fought so long to not be a victim, that I forget that some people are victims because they do not know how to be any other way. Enable or not, I have found more support in the few days that I have been here, than I ever did on there. I don't need anyone to sort my problems for me, but it is nice to have mates. And yes, a fair go is sometimes all that we need. Thank you.
Being a female on there also made me feel like a monster, purely because I am not a vocal emotional creature generally. I mean it is nice to talk about feelings sometimes to release stuff, but I have a psychologist for that. I wasn't having any FUN on there. It might be my imagination, but I always felt isolated amongst people "of my own kind". I don't need that......me against the world bullshit.
Now, I am raving......and talking about my "feelings" ;)
Loup
Loup
Do you remember Pandora from a couple of years ago? She is my fiance, and feels exactly the way you do about that site. She felt uncomfortable being there, and whenever she tried to say something, or make suggestions, some moron would either patronise her or twist what she had to say. An example was when she suggested to Lau that the Childrens forums should be shifted away from the adult ones to make it better for the kids, and Lau said 'what, do you wann run the site now?' or words to that effect. She had some support from some other members (gbollard for one), but felt alienated and later got banned for suggesting that if you wanted support there, you should get a truss. Shit, that was meant to be a semi-joke, but when you look at it, there was more truth in it than appeared. She now mainly posts at AFF and is occupied with FB games but still wishes she'd been given a better go there.
And no, you weren't a fuck-knucke, you were being honest.
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Loup
That's typical of WP. It doesn't matter what you say to them, some of those dickheads will twist it 'round, then the mods will come in and back them up when they feel threatened. We might 'enable' people here as well, but at least we give people a fair go to have their say.
Steve-O, did you read it? I wasn't nasty or a fuckknuckle that I can see. Maybe I am polarised. Maybe I have fought so long to not be a victim, that I forget that some people are victims because they do not know how to be any other way. Enable or not, I have found more support in the few days that I have been here, than I ever did on there. I don't need anyone to sort my problems for me, but it is nice to have mates. And yes, a fair go is sometimes all that we need. Thank you.
Being a female on there also made me feel like a monster, purely because I am not a vocal emotional creature generally. I mean it is nice to talk about feelings sometimes to release stuff, but I have a psychologist for that. I wasn't having any FUN on there. It might be my imagination, but I always felt isolated amongst people "of my own kind". I don't need that......me against the world bullshit.
Now, I am raving......and talking about my "feelings" ;)
Loup
Loup
Do you remember Pandora from a couple of years ago? She is my fiance, and feels exactly the way you do about that site. She felt uncomfortable being there, and whenever she tried to say something, or make suggestions, some moron would either patronise her or twist what she had to say. An example was when she suggested to Lau that the Childrens forums should be shifted away from the adult ones to make it better for the kids, and Lau said 'what, do you wann run the site now?' or words to that effect. She had some support from some other members (gbollard for one), but felt alienated and later got banned for suggesting that if you wanted support there, you should get a truss. Shit, that was meant to be a semi-joke, but when you look at it, there was more truth in it than appeared. She now mainly posts at AFF and is occupied with FB games but still wishes she'd been given a better go there.
And no, you weren't a fuck-knucke, you were being honest.
I recall the particular thread you are referring to. Adults should stay the fuck out of the childrens sub forum over there.
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naysayer shit like Callista is spewing.
Oh, is this about that post? No doubt the title alone would provoke that kind of response. Maybe harder isn't better. Was lucky in that area and raised wrapped in a fair share of cotton. It's hard to argue with those who were not, regardless of their view on it.
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Loup
That's typical of WP. It doesn't matter what you say to them, some of those dickheads will twist it 'round, then the mods will come in and back them up when they feel threatened. We might 'enable' people here as well, but at least we give people a fair go to have their say.
Steve-O, did you read it? I wasn't nasty or a fuckknuckle that I can see. Maybe I am polarised. Maybe I have fought so long to not be a victim, that I forget that some people are victims because they do not know how to be any other way. Enable or not, I have found more support in the few days that I have been here, than I ever did on there. I don't need anyone to sort my problems for me, but it is nice to have mates. And yes, a fair go is sometimes all that we need. Thank you.
Being a female on there also made me feel like a monster, purely because I am not a vocal emotional creature generally. I mean it is nice to talk about feelings sometimes to release stuff, but I have a psychologist for that. I wasn't having any FUN on there. It might be my imagination, but I always felt isolated amongst people "of my own kind". I don't need that......me against the world bullshit.
Now, I am raving......and talking about my "feelings" ;)
Loup
Loup
Do you remember Pandora from a couple of years ago? She is my fiance, and feels exactly the way you do about that site. She felt uncomfortable being there, and whenever she tried to say something, or make suggestions, some moron would either patronise her or twist what she had to say. An example was when she suggested to Lau that the Childrens forums should be shifted away from the adult ones to make it better for the kids, and Lau said 'what, do you wann run the site now?' or words to that effect. She had some support from some other members (gbollard for one), but felt alienated and later got banned for suggesting that if you wanted support there, you should get a truss. Shit, that was meant to be a semi-joke, but when you look at it, there was more truth in it than appeared. She now mainly posts at AFF and is occupied with FB games but still wishes she'd been given a better go there.
And no, you weren't a fuck-knucke, you were being honest.
I recall the particular thread you are referring to. Adults should stay the fuck out of the childrens sub forum over there.
Yeah, but the actual thought behind it was that the children might somehow get into the adult forums and she had support from people who said it wouldn't have been that hard to do (move the forums). Your point shows the reverse could have happened, and a real shitstorm could have brewed. Given some of the shit that was being posted in the adult forum anyway.
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naysayer shit like Callista is spewing.
Oh, is this about that post? No doubt the title alone would provoke that kind of response. Maybe harder isn't better. Was lucky in that area and raised wrapped in a fair share of cotton. It's hard to argue with those who were not, regardless of their view on it.
My point is that beating someones ass for fucking with you is self advocacy, don't try to tell a shit head how bad something feels, instead impart noticeable pain levels that will let said shithead know on a visceral level how it feels to fuck with the wrong person. Callista, Anbuend and others at WP will not even acknowledge that the approach will work. I know better.
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Is that where loup was going with that thread? Loup?
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Oh guys, I don't know where I was going.......or where I am going. I don't want people to be abused as kids or have it the way I had it. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but I guess, I learnt valuable lessons out of it too even if it royally fucked me up.
I was talking about resilience. I get really upset when people want to die because they don't know how to cope with hardship, because they were never taught, or weren't given the right tools to help themselves, because I know it feels to have no tools. I had to do years of therapy and meds just to stay alive because i didn't like myself very much and that is why I wanted to end it at times. In hospital, I was with a patient that had tried to cut his own throat and I remember wondering how depressed you would have to be to do that to yourself. So, I drank coffee with him on the secure ward and talked about stuff. he was a really nice guy but his life was filled with so much pain, I could understand why he wanted to die. I would never tell a person that it is not their right to take their own life, but I would certainly do my best to talk them out of it. Maybe this is naive, but sometimes all it takes is tell people that they matter for them to slowly build their way out of the pit. I mean they have to do their own work because it is all up to them, but I like people to know that they matter, even if I don't like them very much.
My sons father died on Xmas day 2008 from a drug overdose. At first we thought it was suicide but then the coroner ruled it accidental death from drug overdose. The stupid wanker took heroin with valium and antidepressants without thinking of the consequences. He was a slave to his addiction even though he was a born again christian and spent years in jail. Now my son has to live with that idea about his father even though they weren't close. I had to teach my son to be resilient so he didn't feel all fucked up about it.
The truth is that at times I am a hypocrite, I contradict myself, I am a really kind person but have the attitude of the alpha male of the pack, I try to be honest with myself at all times and take care of my own. I am a paradox.
I have no idea if any of that even answered your question Sensitive. My ADHD is ruling the roost today and my dyslexia comes out to play. I just don't have the cognitive stamina to try and work out my brain, but thanks for your input.
And steve-o I am sorry to hear about what happened to your wife. She sounds like a caring person with values.
I just want some common ground, is all.
Loup
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You know that thread on WP that I started? It has gone into the fucking bin. People don't LISTEN, or think or are too polarsied or some such thing. I am sick of having my words twisted or maybe I didn't explain myself enough.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html)
I can barely go there anymore. So TIRED of fighting. Been fighting my whole life. It is time for a rest.
Loup
I gave a couple of examples of fucking up individuals who needed painful lessons at WP a couple of years back and got the same naysayer shit like Callista is spewing. Some of the others seem to be getting all, or part, of your point but Anneurysm and Apple_In_Your_Eye like the "whine to others and hope for good results" method just like some retorted that my methods would cause legal trouble for the afflicted aspie - as if having a douchebag thinking you are a good target is not trouble. One thing I noticed is that you are a little less blunt than I was and got the same type of response. :duh: Alex' friend Anbeund is one of those that like to advocate by whining to others for protection. I still like to hit back real hard when necessary but some will never get it. I know that not all auties are capable of doing it that way but it is at least worth a try. People tend to be less willing to fuck with those that they believe will hurt them win or lose. Maybe you should stop throwing pearls before swine for a bit Loup. :plus: for trying to help.
Thanks PPK. That is all I can say right now. :hug:
Loup
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That explains it okay. Controversial topic, as you admit in your opening sentence. Some controversial responses are to be expected. Sorry to hear about your husband.
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That explains it okay. Controversial topic, as you admit in your opening sentence. Some controversial responses are to be expected. Sorry to hear about your husband.
I know, I expected it. Controversial I can live with but it just seemed that my words were twisted all around. Like I said, this day is not a good day. "I am trying to make sense of stuff" day. I never learn my lesson ;) I should pick these days out of a line up and not fuck with them.
I am not saying that what I feel isn't real, or that I don't stand by my word, but I thought I might be overreacting. Thanks for your thoughts about my sons father. We were never married and I hated his guts. He was a terrible father. I didn't hate him because he was a bad person, I hated him because he never did right by his boy. Thankfully my fiance is a good man who is a good role model. It was a terrible violent time with my sons father.....from both of us.
Loup
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You know that thread on WP that I started? It has gone into the fucking bin. People don't LISTEN, or think or are too polarsied or some such thing. I am sick of having my words twisted or maybe I didn't explain myself enough.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html)
I can barely go there anymore. So TIRED of fighting. Been fighting my whole life. It is time for a rest.
Loup
I might have a look a little later and depending on what was said I might knock a few shades of shit out of a couple of people.
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You know that thread on WP that I started? It has gone into the fucking bin. People don't LISTEN, or think or are too polarsied or some such thing. I am sick of having my words twisted or maybe I didn't explain myself enough.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html)
I can barely go there anymore. So TIRED of fighting. Been fighting my whole life. It is time for a rest.
Loup
I might have a look a little later and depending on what was said I might knock a few shades of shit out of a couple of people.
:LMAO: They'll still be stupid but have fun Sir_Les. :thumbup:
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You know that thread on WP that I started? It has gone into the fucking bin. People don't LISTEN, or think or are too polarsied or some such thing. I am sick of having my words twisted or maybe I didn't explain myself enough.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt137494.html)
I can barely go there anymore. So TIRED of fighting. Been fighting my whole life. It is time for a rest.
Loup
I didn't know you were Michhsta, cool. Welcome. I love seeing WP members here.
Those things also piss me off too. I haven't looked at the thread yet though but will soon after this. :)
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I read the thread.
I think that Callista comes across as young and very idealistic.
I felt bad for the girl whose parents wouldn't let her grow up, wouldn't let her get a learner's permit, etc, that one poster had mentored.
However, when I think of my daughter getting a learner's permit in a year, it terrifies me.
I wonder if there could be a better balance between being coddled, wrapped completely in cotton, and developing resilience the hard way, like you did.
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Maybe young mentally but chronologically she is 27.
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Okay I am reading the thread and saw nothing wrong with it until the second page. It started with Callista. I find her as an okay member and like her.
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Maybe young mentally but chronologically she is 27.
I think people who believe more strongly that the world needs to change to better accomodate us rather than us changing ourselves to better deal with the world sound young.
I think that both need to happen and we should do what we can to change the world, but I think that it's more important to do what we can to change ourselves.
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Thanks everyone.
This quote comes to mind a lot in my days. I love it and try to live by it:
Recognise beauty and ugliness is born.
Recognise good and evil is born.
Is and Isn't produce each other.
Hard depends on easy,
Long is tested by short,
High is determined by low,
Sound is harmonised by voice,
After is followed by before.
Therefor the Sage is devoted to non-action,
Moves without teaching,
Lives but does not own,
Acts but does not presume,
Accomplishes without taking credit.
When no credit is taken,
Accomplishment endures.
(Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu)
Loup
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naysayer shit like Callista is spewing.
Oh, is this about that post? No doubt the title alone would provoke that kind of response. Maybe harder isn't better. Was lucky in that area and raised wrapped in a fair share of cotton. It's hard to argue with those who were not, regardless of their view on it.
My point is that beating someones ass for fucking with you is self advocacy, don't try to tell a shit head how bad something feels, instead impart noticeable pain levels that will let said shithead know on a visceral level how it feels to fuck with the wrong person. Callista, Anbuend and others at WP will not even acknowledge that the approach will work. I know better.
YES!!! Fuck I owe you Karma. :plus: :indeed:
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Thanks everyone.
This quote comes to mind a lot in my days. I love it and try to live by it:
Recognise beauty and ugliness is born.
Recognise good and evil is born.
Is and Isn't produce each other.
Hard depends on easy,
Long is tested by short,
High is determined by low,
Sound is harmonised by voice,
After is followed by before.
Therefor the Sage is devoted to non-action,
Moves without teaching,
Lives but does not own,
Acts but does not presume,
Accomplishes without taking credit.
When no credit is taken,
Accomplishment endures.
(Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu)
Loup
Taoism can be considered Paganism too, which makes me feel good. Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Shamanism, Celtic Mysticism are all things that are part of what I believe.
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Fucking hell, that thread speaks exactly on what I think.
An example is myself: My girlfriend is in the UK and we love one another very much. We want to live together and all that typical romantic stuff. It's so intense that it can convince me at times, but I have to battle with my own naivety to accept that *anything* could happen and to prepare for any unforseen consequences. Shit can and will happen sooner or later.
However, I have realised that despite my intense dislike of such naivety, it is naivety itself that will make these people learn about the intolerance of life. They will learn it in some form sooner or later - the hard way. Some will survive from it, some will die. Due to this, I decided to leave them be and worry about my own life instead.
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It was a good post Loup.
You've got a couple replies from some still living in a fantasy world because fortunately for them life hasn't smacked them upside the head yet, or if it did it bounced off.
That's to be expected though. Thanks for posting the link. :thumbup:
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I decided to leave them be and worry about my own life instead.
:)
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Thanks so much everyone. There was one post on there(WP) that I read this morning that made me cry, it was so well worded and hit so close to home. It "moved" me to tears, and that is rare. I wasn't 'cause he agreed with me, it was because his words "sang"(can't think of a better way to say it). It was written by a member Rossc towards the end of the thread.
I really liked hearing everyones thoughts.
And steve-o, a man after my own heart ;) I got into Taoism when I did Kung Fu. My master was an amazing man and taught me many things. Paganism, is also wonderful. Learn't a lot about that when doing theological studies and Buddhism I was brought up with. My mother was born in Thailand (even though my family is not Thai. We are of European descent. My grandfather was a mining engineer). Brilliant stuff.
Take care,
Loup
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Ah herrrmrrm! Now I know who Rossc is and blushed furiously :zoinks:
Just thought I should clear that up.
Thanks all for your thoughts
:plus: :plus:
Loup
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Fucking hell, that thread speaks exactly on what I think.
I see it all around me, impressionable youths with naive delusions of peace, change, love and harmony. An example of such naivety is this: A friend of mine (Gus) went to the US because she only "wanted to be loved" despite not particularly finding the person attractive (TWO). I tried to tell her to think things through and consider the consequences (ie. the love may not last, you're fucked if things go wrong in the US etc.) but she wouldn't listen to me. She went anyway and has been there since.
Is she stalking Lindsay Lohan? If she is I'll buy her a collectors edition of Catcher In The Rye.
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Ms Lohan?
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Hey, someone just shot Lindsay Lohan.
YAAAAAAYYYY!
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Unrequited love is so poignant. :'(
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Unrequited love is so poignant. :'(
Well, Chapman had a copy of Double Fantasy, will bint be carrying Lohan's knickers?
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Unrequited love is so poignant. :'(
Well, Chapman had a copy of Double Fantasy, will bint be carrying Lohan's knickers?
:LMAO: Probably not that hard to get a pair.
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First of all, why bother posting there in the first place? I can see why you got so many stupid answers, as its wrong planet! Anyway, I saw -some- acceptable answers. Whats the problem?
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Ah herrrmrrm! Now I know who Rossc is and blushed furiously :zoinks:
Just thought I should clear that up.
Thanks all for your thoughts
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Loup
All good mate ;)