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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Peter on August 02, 2010, 02:38:17 AM
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I've noticed some encouraging signs lately that public opinion is shifting with respect to drugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdruct9pB7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUXvl6dyQ_0
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http://www.youtube.com/v/hMM_T_PJ0Rs&hl=en_US&fs=1
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It will be a hard sell to law enforcement they make a lot of money enforcing the drug laws
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Very interesting videos, Peter.
In Colorado, I think they are changing the laws regarding marijuana dispensaries so that convicted felons can't run them anymore, which will take out about a fourth of them. I think that is unfortunate because it seems to me that the people who would be inclined to run a pot shop would be more likely than the general population to have a prior conviction for marijuana possession.
I have never used marijuana in my life, but I voted to allow the medical use of marijuana for people who need it.
I also thnk our current "war on drugs" is stupid, however, I wonder how many of the 1.8 million drug arrests are for using marijuana at home as opposed to somethng harder than marijuana such as making and using meth, which does injure others.
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It will be a hard sell to law enforcement they make a lot of money enforcing the drug laws
If they legalise some of the drugs, they can tax them, and make lots of money that way.
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It will be a hard sell to law enforcement they make a lot of money enforcing the drug laws
If they legalise some of the drugs, they can tax them, and make lots of money that way.
Here, if they find drugs in your car, they can say your car is being used to deal drugs and impound the car, then sell it. That nets a lot of money for law enforcement. If drugs are legalized and taxed, that makes money for the government as an entity but not for law enforcement specifically.
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They need to legalize pot at the very least. With the amount used in this country and the number of people ignoring the law it makes all laws fair game to many people. The business of taking property should be taken care of also it was intended to get the king pins of the organizations not the everyday user that is a thread all in itself. BTW I stayed at a hotel in Colorado that was across the street from a "dispensary" :2thumbsup:
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They need to legalize pot at the very least. With the amount used in this country and the number of people ignoring the law it makes all laws fair game to many people. The business of taking property should be taken care of also it was intended to get the king pins of the organizations not the everyday user that is a thread all in itself. BTW I stayed at a hotel in Colorado that was across the street from a "dispensary" :2thumbsup:
There are strong forces in politics to get it illegal here again. Now it is semi legal :duh: You're allowed to have 5 plants, if the neighbours don't complain. And you can buy a certain amount each day. That's the legal bit. Taxes will be paid and all. But, the bigger production, and the transport of more than the one customer only daily amount, is illegal. Very weird. Front door of the shop is legal. Shop is legal, back door traffic of the coffees-hop is illegal.
So, some want to legalise it completely, and get rid of the crime that is involved with the back-door policies. Others want to criminalise the front door traffic.
Biggest reason people want to make using and selling cannabis illegal is, what other countries are thinking. :duh:
And what I read about the USA, it may very well be that they are less restrictive than we will be here in the Netherlands within 10 years.
The benefit of having cannabis legal here, is that users of cannabis do not automatically get in contact with dealers of other products. And, cannabis is sold in a coffee-shop setting. So, there is a social setting. If it will become illegal again, the social side-effects of getting it in a coffee-shop, will go, and that will be a shame.
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The only real issue is that the rich assholes who
actually matter won't legalize any type of thing that people actually think is fun unless they can make money off of it.
Simple as that.
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The war on drugs is a pointless and impossible war to win. Let them have their drugs, at the end of the day it isn't effecting me as it's their bodies.
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The war on drugs is a pointless and impossible war to win. Let them have their drugs, at the end of the day it isn't effecting me as it's their bodies.
I'll say it more slowly this time. Rich people - won't let people - have fun - unless they - pay for it.
Governments are illusions. The people in charge are the people with all the money. No use fighting it, its how economy works.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01eO2GTbQg
There are victims
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The war on drugs is a pointless and impossible war to win. Let them have their drugs, at the end of the day it isn't effecting me as it's their bodies.
irresponsible dicks who drive on drugs could run you down. better stay home tonight. ;D
all the societal problems that alcohol causes can be caused by other drugs too y'know.
drugs should be legalised but dispensed with a kinda "drug license". alcohol should be treated this way already, infact in certain places it is i.e. small townships (mostly aboriginees) in the northern territory, australia. i can't fanid a reference though, could be my head taking a crap again.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01eO2GTbQg
There are victims
:agreed:
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
You've obviously isolated yourself in your own reality to come up with turds like that. Don't get trapped in there forever!
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
You've obviously isolated yourself in your own reality to come up with turds like that. Don't get trapped in there forever!
Better my reality than some other fuckwit's. I'd rather have control of my input and output than have some other person tell me what to do. That goes for posting, eating, drinking, whatever the fuck. And if my reality clashes with someone else's, then that's just too fucking bad. My opinion is the only one that counts to me.
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
You've obviously isolated yourself in your own reality to come up with turds like that. Don't get trapped in there forever!
Better my reality than some other fuckwit's. I'd rather have control of my input and output than have some other person tell me what to do. That goes for posting, eating, drinking, whatever the fuck. And if my reality clashes with someone else's, then that's just too fucking bad. My opinion is the only one that counts to me.
You should try the drug Fantasy, it'd be right up your alley :rofl:
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
You've obviously isolated yourself in your own reality to come up with turds like that. Don't get trapped in there forever!
Better my reality than some other fuckwit's. I'd rather have control of my input and output than have some other person tell me what to do. That goes for posting, eating, drinking, whatever the fuck. And if my reality clashes with someone else's, then that's just too fucking bad. My opinion is the only one that counts to me.
You should try the drug Fantasy, it'd be right up your alley :rofl:
Fuck that, anyone who takes drugs like that is a fucked up imbecile. And anyone who even suggests drug taking of illegal substances should fucking know better.
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
You've obviously isolated yourself in your own reality to come up with turds like that. Don't get trapped in there forever!
Better my reality than some other fuckwit's. I'd rather have control of my input and output than have some other person tell me what to do. That goes for posting, eating, drinking, whatever the fuck. And if my reality clashes with someone else's, then that's just too fucking bad. My opinion is the only one that counts to me.
You should try the drug Fantasy, it'd be right up your alley :rofl:
Fuck that, anyone who takes drugs like that is a fucked up imbecile. And anyone who even suggests drug taking of illegal substances should fucking know better.
You're absolutely right, I I know it's better to take drugs, and I know the better drugs to take.
Looks like you enjoy being a reactionary fart so enjoy yourself.
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Thing is, if they tighten up on weed and pot (which to me is the same thing), then all the drug lords in Columbia are just going to flood the place with even more cocaine, heroin and whatever else. Plus the amount of ecstacy and other shit that available, and not only will the cops make a killing (as we know there is corruption in the force) but the govt will get kickbacks to allow it all in through customs. It's all a furphy as Shleed said, and Rage is right about the rich assholes making everyone else suffer.
I doubt there is an easy fix, so it looks like everyone will have to deal with it the best they can.
Dude you sound like you have NFI what you're talking about. :wanker:
Personally right now I don't actually give a fuck what anyone thinks. Period.
You've obviously isolated yourself in your own reality to come up with turds like that. Don't get trapped in there forever!
Better my reality than some other fuckwit's. I'd rather have control of my input and output than have some other person tell me what to do. That goes for posting, eating, drinking, whatever the fuck. And if my reality clashes with someone else's, then that's just too fucking bad. My opinion is the only one that counts to me.
You should try the drug Fantasy, it'd be right up your alley :rofl:
Fuck that, anyone who takes drugs like that is a fucked up imbecile. And anyone who even suggests drug taking of illegal substances should fucking know better.
You're absolutely right, I I know it's better to take drugs, and I know the better drugs to take.
Looks like you enjoy being a reactionary fart so enjoy yourself.
I'd have expected a retarded comment like that from Scraptard, Duke, Razortwunt, or maybe even Rage if he was joking.
What is it with this fucked up fascination with fucking yourselves up?
Obviously killing off braincells amongst the drug community proves they have fuck all else in their shitty existences.
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
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They need to legalize pot at the very least. With the amount used in this country and the number of people ignoring the law it makes all laws fair game to many people. The business of taking property should be taken care of also it was intended to get the king pins of the organizations not the everyday user that is a thread all in itself. BTW I stayed at a hotel in Colorado that was across the street from a "dispensary" :2thumbsup:
I'm sure you had fun watching all the people as they went in and came back out! :angel:
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I think experiencing drugs is an eye opening experience. I don't suggest making them into a habit, but trying the ones with mind altering effects once or twice shouldn't be considered a crime in my opinion. Life has a lot to offer, and these experiences are portions of it.
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I think you're wasting your breath by making this point. TCO is a Stalinist by nature and feels that anyone who defies the State's [Eric Cartman]authoriteye[/Eric Cartman] deserves to be crushed.
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Pot is pretty damn close to being legal in Canada. If you get caught a with a small amount on you, as long as it's not enough to sell, you can't be arrested. At least in Ontario.
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Pot is pretty damn close to being legal in Canada. If you get caught a with a small amount on you, as long as it's not enough to sell, you can't be arrested. At least in Ontario.
The vote to legalize it here in California is too close to call. :-\
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Pot is pretty damn close to being legal in Canada. If you get caught a with a small amount on you, as long as it's not enough to sell, you can't be arrested. At least in Ontario.
The vote to legalize it here in California is too close to call. :-\
I would love to see it pass not so much that I want to go out and smoke it but because of the annoyance it will be to the cluster fuck called the federal government. It would be nice to have a state put them in their place :2thumbsup:
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The vote to legalize it here in California is too close to call. :-\
I would love to see it pass not so much that I want to go out and smoke it but because of the annoyance it will be to the cluster fuck called the federal government. It would be nice to have a state put them in their place :2thumbsup:
Yeah, I just wish it was a state besides the Kalifornia Peoples Republik. :soapbox:
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Have you seen The Union: The Business Behind Getting High? It's about the pot business in British Columbia. It's on my list of movies to watch. I'm going to watch it this weekend on netflix.
http://www.theunionmovie.com/TheUnionWeb.html
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I think you're wasting your breath by making this point. TCO is a Stalinist by nature and feels that anyone who defies the State's [Eric Cartman]authoriteye[/Eric Cartman] deserves to be crushed.
Only a half stoned, half pissed lemon like you could come out with a shitty comment like that. But that's typical of the libertarian movement; all fucking talk, and not one collective braincell between the lot. They make the hippies of 1967 look like right wing Conservatives.
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I think you're wasting your breath by making this point. TCO is a Stalinist by nature and feels that anyone who defies the State's [Eric Cartman]authoriteye[/Eric Cartman] deserves to be crushed.
Only a half stoned, half pissed lemon like you could come out with a shitty comment like that. But that's typical of the libertarian movement; all fucking talk, and not one collective braincell between the lot. They make the hippies of 1967 look like right wing Conservatives.
You sad sad victim of propaganda.
I think experiencing drugs is an eye opening experience. I don't suggest making them into a habit, but trying the ones with mind altering effects once or twice shouldn't be considered a crime in my opinion. Life has a lot to offer, and these experiences are portions of it.
:agreed:
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I think you're wasting your breath by making this point. TCO is a Stalinist by nature and feels that anyone who defies the State's [Eric Cartman]authoriteye[/Eric Cartman] deserves to be crushed.
Only a half stoned, half pissed lemon like you could come out with a shitty comment like that. But that's typical of the libertarian movement; all fucking talk, and not one collective braincell between the lot. They make the hippies of 1967 look like right wing Conservatives.
You sad sad victim of propaganda.
I think experiencing drugs is an eye opening experience. I don't suggest making them into a habit, but trying the ones with mind altering effects once or twice shouldn't be considered a crime in my opinion. Life has a lot to offer, and these experiences are portions of it.
:agreed:
Well, better than being a stoned fucking idiot who can't remember which shoe to put on after a couple of joints.
Fuck, the more these cunts kill themselves with this shit, the funnier it gets.
Imagine being a morgue attendant: Another drug death. Just throw it over in the corner. We're doing mass burials for these 'tards now. Can't cremate them, cos we can't stand the risk of the rest of the country getting stoned.
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I think you're wasting your breath by making this point. TCO is a Stalinist by nature and feels that anyone who defies the State's [Eric Cartman]authoriteye[/Eric Cartman] deserves to be crushed.
Only a half stoned, half pissed lemon like you could come out with a shitty comment like that. But that's typical of the libertarian movement; all fucking talk, and not one collective braincell between the lot. They make the hippies of 1967 look like right wing Conservatives.
You sad sad victim of propaganda.
I think experiencing drugs is an eye opening experience. I don't suggest making them into a habit, but trying the ones with mind altering effects once or twice shouldn't be considered a crime in my opinion. Life has a lot to offer, and these experiences are portions of it.
:agreed:
Well, better than being a stoned fucking idiot who can't remember which shoe to put on after a couple of joints.
Fuck, the more these cunts kill themselves with this shit, the funnier it gets.
Imagine being a morgue attendant: Another drug death. Just throw it over in the corner. We're doing mass burials for these 'tards now. Can't cremate them, cos we can't stand the risk of the rest of the country getting stoned.
By far more people die from alcoholism than by illegal drugs
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My partner pandora said she raised this same concern about this bullshit on WP, and got a mouthful of fucking abuse for it. Are you going to give her the same shit as well? Eh Vodz? As I said before, what is the fascination amongst people who take these ILLEGAL substances? Do these cunts really have that much of a deathwish? Fuck, if we have that many losers in society, maybe we need a rethink of thinning the herds.
At least I can say that when I reach 80, I'll still be able to remember this place. All you drug taking 'tards won't even get there to HAVE any fucking memories.
I would not say people who smoke pot are losers or 'tards it's pretty much illegal because of the same moral chest thumping that brought us alcohol prohibition in the states not so much because of danger. If you were in the states in the 1920's you could have smoked a joint but would have been arrested for drinking a beer then you would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I think you're wasting your breath by making this point. TCO is a Stalinist by nature and feels that anyone who defies the State's [Eric Cartman]authoriteye[/Eric Cartman] deserves to be crushed.
Only a half stoned, half pissed lemon like you could come out with a shitty comment like that. But that's typical of the libertarian movement; all fucking talk, and not one collective braincell between the lot. They make the hippies of 1967 look like right wing Conservatives.
You sad sad victim of propaganda.
I think experiencing drugs is an eye opening experience. I don't suggest making them into a habit, but trying the ones with mind altering effects once or twice shouldn't be considered a crime in my opinion. Life has a lot to offer, and these experiences are portions of it.
:agreed:
Well, better than being a stoned fucking idiot who can't remember which shoe to put on after a couple of joints.
Fuck, the more these cunts kill themselves with this shit, the funnier it gets.
Imagine being a morgue attendant: Another drug death. Just throw it over in the corner. We're doing mass burials for these 'tards now. Can't cremate them, cos we can't stand the risk of the rest of the country getting stoned.
By far more people die from alcoholism than by illegal drugs
True, but alcohol is LEGAL, and therefore the stigma is nowhere near as bad. People also die from smoking, car crashes, heart attacks, cancer; but illicit drugs are the thing that could be avoided far more easily.
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I no people who died smoking pot but many from alcoholism Dead is DEAD. Pot here at least has lost most of the illegal stigma just waiting for the laws to catch up. People can indulge in alcohol without being an alcoholic just as people can smoke without being addicted it's the ones that go over board that have the problems in general with most things.
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I no people who died smoking pot but many from alcoholism Dead is DEAD. Pot here at least has lost most of the illegal stigma just waiting for the laws to catch up. People can indulge in alcohol without being an alcoholic just as people can smoke without being addicted it's the ones that go over board that have the problems in general with most things.
:agreed:
Physical addiction to pot isn't possible AFAIK. It's also impossible to overdose on THC.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow. Chain reaction. At least the only thing alcohol fucks up is the liver (unless you are like Janis Joplin, John Bonham or Bon Scott). Alcohol doesn't kill as quckly as the above drugs, and the fact that the cunts in the drug 'industry' don't care what their 'clients' are sticking into themselves, means drug deaths are more frequent. Numbers are there for anyone to compare.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
Yeah, you've been on it since you were born. It was called your mother's cunt.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
Yeah, you've been on it since you were born. It was called your mother's cunt.
Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
Yeah, you've been on it since you were born. It was called your mother's cunt.
Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)
Scrapheap's ringtone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Es3NGATZZs
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Directed to the home of Scrapheap's dumbfuck parents.
They then took two revolvers, fucked up the loads and blew their heads off.
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:hahaha:
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Obviously the stupid cunt IS as bad as Richard. Can't keep me on ignore either.
I'm doing it to take the piss, as usual. What's your excuse?
Scrapheap's school anthem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI
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And do you suck them as well?
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Yes, I know you have. :hahaha:
Like father like son.
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Well, whoever he is at least he was smart enough not to tape the stuff to himself.
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Unfortuately Scrap's mother forgot her dose of the pill. He was the result. :indeed:
She wanted an abortion when she found out, but his dad told her 'no, PETA will sue us for cruelty to animals'.
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OMG, Butterflies was driving!
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OMG, Butterflies was driving!
He knows he's losing when that's the best he can come up with.
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Well, whoever he is at least he was smart enough not to tape the stuff to himself.
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Discussion?? TCO's discombobulated universe of FAIL is too incoherent to have conversations with.
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The ONLY reason that TCO is still alive. :hahaha:
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Well, whoever he is at least he was smart enough not to tape the stuff to himself.
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blab-blab blabber blab-blab blabblabber-blab blab.
What was that again? Got your dick caught in your teeth?
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
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Well, whoever he is at least he was smart enough not to tape the stuff to himself.
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The most brilliant post evar made.
I like to assfuck little boys. I'm a charter member of NAMBLA!!
I always suspected this of you. ::)
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
At least you weren't influenced by meth, or one of those other fucked up substances some of these dickheads are endorsing.
Like Scrap, for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_TyrEUpZ8Y
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Scrap apparently failed at elementary school. He took his report card, covered in 'F's home to his dad, who said 'shit, if I'd have known you were this big a failure, I'd have worn a rubber when I'd fucked that no good mother of yours'. Then his mother saw the report, and said 'if I'd have known what a failure you'd turn out to be, I'd have cut your dad's dick off the night we met and done a Lorena Bobbitt to it. But I'd have chopped the fucker up with a mincer first.
That was before they tried to blow their heads off, which obviously proves failure runs in Scraptard's family. Hell, his grandmother even failed whoring herself on Hollywood and Vine back in the 20s. She had to PAY the Johns for a root, to which they said 'no thanks, if we wanted ugly we'd try the zoo.
Hey, you think I'm abusing you now, wait til I get started.
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Hey TCO, I found a picture of your band. :hahaha:
(http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fail151lu0.jpg)
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Hey TCO, I found a picture of your band. :hahaha:
(http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fail151lu0.jpg)
Beat's the shit out of your phoney black tie dinner with what's his name and fucked if I know.
Hey, they are singing about you, actually.
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You're such a MAN, TCO, can I be like you someday??
:LMAO:
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You're such a MAN, TCO, can I be like you someday?? :bigcry:
No, cos you're a failure.
And posting FAIL over and over to prove your point proves it.
Shleed got you there. He may be a cunt, be when he's right he's right.
:violin:
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
:plus: a real post among the shit
So scrap when discussions get like this what would you do on I^3?
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
:plus: a real post among the shit
:agreed:
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
:plus: a real post among the shit
So scrap when discussions get like this what would you do on I^3?
The posts, and offending memebers would be "taken outside", where they would stay untill they could quit arguing.
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I would like to see a convincing and final study that determines the question of whether marijuana is a gateway drug before relaxing the laws. And then we will still have the continued problem of underage users. We'll have the dilemma of mood enhancing drugs and how to manage them legally as long as we have humans.
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I would like to see a convincing and final study that determines the question of whether marijuana is a gateway drug before relaxing the laws. And then we will still have the continued problem of underage users. We'll have the dilemma of mood enhancing drugs and how to manage them legally as long as we have humans.
I think pot is a "gateway drug" largely BECAUSE it's illegal. If you legalize it, it will lose much of it's stigma as a symbol of outlaw culture. As soon as it's no longer associated with "crime", it will cease to be a gateway drug.
As far as underage users go, when I was a teenager, it was far easier for me to score an eighth of weed, than it was to buy a case of beer. Dope dealers don't ask for ID.
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I did "drugs" as a child. When our parents drank we were allowed a small amount of liquor in our 7Up. As a teenager I felt no need to drink because it was not forbidden to me. So I can understand legalizing some drugs because of my experience.
I never did herbal or pharma drugs, for several reasons
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
Someone driving while stoned is less likely to cause an accident than someone who is drunk. Pot doesn't mess with your equalibrium the way alchohol does. When I've driven while stoned, I always drove 5-10 MPH slower because it seemed like I was going faster.
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I will admit that I have some unresolved feelings about legalizing drugs. I'm not too keen on having someone at less than full alertness behind the wheel of a car or truck. That said, there have been quite a few times when I was less than fully alert when driving simply because I was tired or distracted.
If I am to remain true to my political leanings I would have to say that there should be minimal government influence in American's lives in accordance with the spirit of the US Constitution.
Someone driving while stoned is less likely to cause an accident than someone who is drunk. Pot doesn't mess with your equalibrium the way alchohol does. When I've driven while stoned, I always drove 5-10 MPH slower because it seemed like I was going faster.
:LMAO: :rofl: Crock of shit, boyo, Crock of shit.
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Driving unpaired by anything even lack of sleep is not a good thing
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Here they now do drug testing as well as alcohol testing when someone is pulled over at a Random Breath Test station or even on the street. If a cop finds evidence of weed in the system, that person will either cop a fine or licence suspension the same as if they were drunk from booze. AND if you are stoned while driving, your reflexes and judgement will be just as fucked as drinking a few beers. Get into a prang, and you're just as dead. Or crippled.
So don't bullshit about stuff you don't know, Scrap.
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So don't bullshit about stuff you don't know, Scrap.
I was "bullshiting" about things that I DO know. I know you're too dense to pay attention. ::)
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Driving unpaired by anything even lack of sleep is not a good thing
I know what you were trying to say, but all that came to mind is that a car crash is a very serious case of coitus interruptus.
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So don't bullshit about stuff you don't know, Scrap.
I was "bullshiting" about things that I DO know. I know you're too dense to pay attention. ::)
Ah, so you finally admit it. You're so full of shit you need an enema once a day to clean it out.
College education.... pffft.
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General question to all:
Do you think the aging of the population, meaning the younger voters aren't getting any younger, will lead to less restrictive drug laws?
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General question to all:
Do you think the aging of the population, meaning the younger voters aren't getting any younger, will lead to less restrictive drug laws?
In a word yes
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So don't bullshit about stuff you don't know, Scrap.
I was "bullshiting" about things that I DO know. I know you're too dense to pay attention. ::)
Ah, so you finally admit it. You're so full of shit you need an enema once a day to clean it out.
College education.... pffft.
Yes, and if you had been college educated, you'd know what is meant when someone puts a word in quotation marks. ::)
:wanker:
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General question to all:
Do you think the aging of the population, meaning the younger voters aren't getting any younger, will lead to less restrictive drug laws?
In a word yes
Not sure; there's some uptight older people out there too.
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So don't bullshit about stuff you don't know, Scrap.
I was "bullshiting" about things that I DO know. I know you're too dense to pay attention. ::)
Ah, so you finally admit it. You're so full of shit you need an enema once a day to clean it out.
College education.... pffft.
Yes, and if you had been college educated, you'd know what is meant when someone puts a word in quotation marks. ::)
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No, I learned that in primary school, dickhead. if I'd been college educated like you I'd have still been wasting my time getting high and trying to blow my head off reloading while drunk.
Sarcasm.... unfortunately you aren't capable of using it.
Obviously you not being able to read at your age has seriously hampered any chances you ever had of getting past your bedroom door.
Now go sit in the naughty corner and let the adults discuss things, things that are way too mature for your tiny mind.
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Now go sit in the naughty corner and let the adults discuss things, things that are way too mature for your tiny mind.
Oh gee, that' real fucking original. :wanker:
You long did it take you to plagerize that from my post?? :wanker:
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You know I remember James I saying that tobacco was foul and evil. So I guess the drug war has been going on for about that long.
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Now go sit in the naughty corner and let the adults discuss things, things that are way too mature for your tiny mind.
Oh gee, that' real fucking original. :wanker:
You long did it take you to plagerize that from my post?? :wanker:
You pinched it from either me, or someone else. Stop fucking being a bullshitting liar and admit how much of a cunt you are. This shit is getting old, and you are doing no favours by keeping it going. I've tried several ways to get you off my back, and you come back for more, like the rabid mangy dog you are. Now fuck off and go do something useful instead of poisoning this site with your fuckery.
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You know I remember James I saying that tobacco was foul and evil. So I guess the drug war has been going on for about that long.
He was responsible for getting rid of the Puritans, who first went to Holland and then the Colonies (as America was then).
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
And those studies have led to advertising campaigns and laws being enacted here on that very thing.
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
How do you get your car back from the party??
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
How do you get your car back from the party??
Responsible people leave their cars locked and call a cab. She lives in Canada, you know.
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
How do you get your car back from the party??
Responsible people leave their cars locked and call a cab. She lives in Canada, you know.
It depends on how many drinks you've had. I know from experience when I can't safely drive.
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
How do you get your car back from the party??
Responsible people leave their cars locked and call a cab. She lives in Canada, you know.
It depends on how many drinks you've had. I know from experience when I can't safely drive.
Blowing into a bag or a meter will tell you different. And the sobriety tests they give you, even though they are a laugh, catch you out all the time.
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
How do you get your car back from the party??
Responsible people leave their cars locked and call a cab. She lives in Canada, you know.
It depends on how many drinks you've had. I know from experience when I can't safely drive.
It's been studied again and again that people are not nearly as capable behind the wheel as they think they are if you've been drinking/smoking up.
If I know I'm going to drink, I cab it, have someone pick me up, or I stay the night. If I'm at a friend's house for dinner or something, or I drive to a party, I have one glass of wine and that's it. I absolutely cannot risk my life or someone elses just because I was having a good time at a party. For me, it's not worth the risk. I could never live with myself if I was the source of an accident that caused harm to someone else.
My lines are firmly drawn. That's just me.
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If a drunk driver killed someona I care about I'd kick their fucking head in
and I'm not a violent person
lol
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There's been several studies done saying that people who drive while extremely overtired have the same reaction time as someone who is inebriated.
And driving while stoned/drunk is just not cool, period. :thumbdn:
How do you get your car back from the party??
Responsible people leave their cars locked and call a cab. She lives in Canada, you know.
It depends on how many drinks you've had. I know from experience when I can't safely drive.
It's been studied again and again that people are not nearly as capable behind the wheel as they think they are if you've been drinking/smoking up.
If I know I'm going to drink, I cab it, have someone pick me up, or I stay the night. If I'm at a friend's house for dinner or something, or I drive to a party, I have one glass of wine and that's it. I absolutely cannot risk my life or someone elses just because I was having a good time at a party. For me, it's not worth the risk. I could never live with myself if I was the source of an accident that caused harm to someone else.
My lines are firmly drawn. That's just me.
QFT.
It's the misguided belief amongst some out there that they are impervious to death or injury because the've swallowed a bottle of booze or smoked some weed. These sort of people should never have been given licences in the first place, because they have shown that they are incapable of rational thought.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow. Chain reaction. At least the only thing alcohol fucks up is the liver (unless you are like Janis Joplin, John Bonham or Bon Scott). Alcohol doesn't kill as quckly as the above drugs, and the fact that the cunts in the drug 'industry' don't care what their 'clients' are sticking into themselves, means drug deaths are more frequent. Numbers are there for anyone to compare.
Why don't you do some research you ignorant fucking twat?
For example, there is NO KNOWN LETHAL DOSE of LSD. FACT.
Alcohol LD50 (the median lethal dose): 0.4 to 0.5% BAC. FACT. http://www.intoxikon.com/Pubs/Rutgers_Alcohol%20Overdose.pdf (http://www.intoxikon.com/Pubs/Rutgers_Alcohol%20Overdose.pdf)
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
The bottom line is, any time you put a chemical into your body, legal or not, it's going to cause some crazy shit. Some are worse than others.
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
I take LSD regularly pricisely for the hallucinogenic properties. Never thoguht I could fly. There are a handful of cases of people jumping from buildings, but I'm sure many many many more people have jumped or fallen from great heights whilst drunk.
Stop exagerating. Provide sources for your mis-information. Or please, GTFO.
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
I take LSD regularly pricisely for the hallucinogenic properties. Never thoguht I could fly. There are a handful of cases of people jumping from buildings, but I'm sure many many many more people have jumped or fallen from great heights whilst drunk.
Stop exagerating. Provide sources for your mis-information. Or please, GTFO.
No. Not happy? Stiff shit.
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
I take LSD regularly pricisely for the hallucinogenic properties. Never thoguht I could fly. There are a handful of cases of people jumping from buildings, but I'm sure many many many more people have jumped or fallen from great heights whilst drunk.
Stop exagerating. Provide sources for your mis-information. Or please, GTFO.
No. Not happy? Stiff shit.
Debate and winning one is about backing up your sources
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
I take LSD regularly pricisely for the hallucinogenic properties. Never thoguht I could fly. There are a handful of cases of people jumping from buildings, but I'm sure many many many more people have jumped or fallen from great heights whilst drunk.
Stop exagerating. Provide sources for your mis-information. Or please, GTFO.
No. Not happy? Stiff shit.
I don't really care. I'm not attacking you, I'm not advocating drug use, I'm defending what should be a personal freedom.
Have a nice day, TROLL :mushie:
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Fuck of cunt
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May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
I take LSD regularly pricisely for the hallucinogenic properties. Never thoguht I could fly. There are a handful of cases of people jumping from buildings, but I'm sure many many many more people have jumped or fallen from great heights whilst drunk.
Stop exagerating. Provide sources for your mis-information. Or please, GTFO.
:agreed:
I did a lot of acid in high school and never once thought I could defy the laws of physics. I just saw a lot of muti-colored patterns that were swirling around and spining off more colors. Other than that, acid just gives you the giggles and you feel like an uber happy kid.
TCO is just parroting government propoganda because he's ignorant as all fuck, and a Stalinist cool-aide drinker.
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Fuck of cunt
no,no,no YOU fuck off, CUNT!!
oh, and it's "off" not "of" you illiterate fuck!! ::)
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I have a distant cousin who is in a wheelchair wearing diapers because he and his brother tried some LSD on a dare when they were teenagers. I was just a kid when I met him but maybe there was something wrong with it because his brother died and he wound up like that.
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Very interesting videos, Peter.
In Colorado, I think they are changing the laws regarding marijuana dispensaries so that convicted felons can't run them anymore, which will take out about a fourth of them. I think that is unfortunate because it seems to me that the people who would be inclined to run a pot shop would be more likely than the general population to have a prior conviction for marijuana possession.
I have never used marijuana in my life, but I voted to allow the medical use of marijuana for people who need it.
I also thnk our current "war on drugs" is stupid, however, I wonder how many of the 1.8 million drug arrests are for using marijuana at home as opposed to somethng harder than marijuana such as making and using meth, which does injure others.
Pot isn't even really a drug, you smoke it and laugh a bit then eat a bag of chips and pass out on the couch. as far as the war on drugs is concerned i agree with you, they should be spending more time against harder drugs. how ever i think pot should be 100% legalized and the entire revenue should be sent to hardcore stuff like crystal and love [crystal meth and ecstasy]
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I have a distant cousin who is in a wheelchair wearing diapers because he and his brother tried some LSD on a dare when they were teenagers. I was just a kid when I met him but maybe there was something wrong with it because his brother died and he wound up like that.
It most likely wasn't LSD, it was some kind of poison that did that. LSD does make your back (spine) hurt a little, but it's a very dull, barely noticable pain.
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And you have to know your source. You can buy bad shit that is laced with something else if you're not careful.
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I have a distant cousin who is in a wheelchair wearing diapers because he and his brother tried some LSD on a dare when they were teenagers. I was just a kid when I met him but maybe there was something wrong with it because his brother died and he wound up like that.
That's part of the problem with illegal lab drugs they are made by criminals. Make things with the wrong chemicals or not purify it right these things happen it's not like you can report them to the FDA and they are not likely to throw out a bad batch
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So if production of drugs is regulated, the risk of death from other substances is greatly reduced.
Another :plus: for lagalisation!
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Here's a timely article given the discussion at hand:
Alcohol more lethal than heroin, cocaine
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101031/health/health_eu_med_dangerous_alcohol
Sun Oct 31, 8:02 PM
By Maria Cheng, The Associated Press
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LONDON - Alcohol is more dangerous than illegal drugs like heroin and crack cocaine, according to a new study.
British experts evaluated substances including alcohol, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and marijuana, ranking them based on how destructive they are to the individual who takes them and to society as a whole.
Researchers analyzed how addictive a drug is and how it harms the human body, in addition to other criteria like environmental damage caused by the drug, its role in breaking up families and its economic costs, such as health care, social services, and prison.
Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine, or crystal meth, were the most lethal to individuals. When considering their wider social effects, alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the deadliest. But overall, alcohol outranked all other substances, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. Marijuana, ecstasy and LSD scored far lower.
The study was paid for by Britain's Centre for Crime and Justice Studies and was published online Monday in the medical journal, Lancet.
Experts said alcohol scored so high because it is so widely used and has devastating consequences not only for drinkers but for those around them.
"Just think about what happens (with alcohol) at every football game," said Wim van den Brink, a professor of psychiatry and addiction at the University of Amsterdam. He was not linked to the study and co-authored a commentary in the Lancet.
When drunk in excess, alcohol damages nearly all organ systems. It is also connected to higher death rates and is involved in a greater percentage of crime than most other drugs, including heroin.
But experts said it would be impractical and incorrect to outlaw alcohol.
"We cannot return to the days of prohibition," said Leslie King, an adviser to the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and one of the study's authors. "Alcohol is too embedded in our culture and it won't go away."
King said countries should target problem drinkers, not the vast majority of people who indulge in a drink or two. He said governments should consider more education programs and raising the price of alcohol so it isn't as widely available.
Experts said the study should prompt countries to reconsider how they classify drugs. For example, last year in Britain, the government increased its penalties for the possession of marijuana. One of its senior advisers, David Nutt — the lead author on the Lancet study — was fired after he criticized the British decision.
"What governments decide is illegal is not always based on science," said van den Brink. He said considerations about revenue and taxation, like those garnered from the alcohol and tobacco industries, may influence decisions about which substances to regulate or outlaw.
"Drugs that are legal cause at least as much damage, if not more, than drugs that are illicit," he said.
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I saw that today also and was going to post it :thumbup:
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Yeah I do have to agree that LSD isn't in the same ballpark as Cocaine, Meth, Heroin etc.
May not kill, but it can fuck you up pretty bad. One of the side effects is hallunations and delusions of being Superman or some such. plenty of cases were reported of people 'tripping' on acid actually jumping off buildings thinking they could fly.
I take LSD regularly pricisely for the hallucinogenic properties. Never thoguht I could fly. There are a handful of cases of people jumping from buildings, but I'm sure many many many more people have jumped or fallen from great heights whilst drunk.
Stop exagerating. Provide sources for your mis-information. Or please, GTFO.
*Cant fly
*Can't swim
*Cars are real
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
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I started with near beer.
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I started with near beer.
Aah, poor boy, no breastfeeding for you?
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
i drink milk on a regular basis, my brother how ever hates the stuff and is an underaged alcoholic and smokes weed on a regular basis. i do neither... who drinks what does not matter in my personal un-educated opinion. kids do things because they want to. the reasons why are often stupid and irrational but they are still reasons. to be brutally honest i think drug addiction is not just because of factors such as the slippery slope logic, pot is only the gateway drug because it is more often then not laced, unless you grow your own supply. that is the slippery slope right there. pot in itself is only psychologically addictive, as in all in your head. how ever if laced with even a small amount of crystal meth, which i believe has a 90% addiction rate or higher on the first try then your addicted to crystal meth. you do different dealers, you get different shit, be it E, Crystal or Crack. THAT is why pot is the gateway drug, not because it opens up the thought pattern but because your already addicted when you get access to the stuff
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I started with near beer.
Aah, poor boy, no breastfeeding for you?
Nope. I actually started with alchohol that hard broken glass shards in it, and was on fire.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
i drink milk on a regular basis, my brother how ever hates the stuff and is an underaged alcoholic and smokes weed on a regular basis. i do neither... who drinks what does not matter in my personal un-educated opinion. kids do things because they want to. the reasons why are often stupid and irrational but they are still reasons. to be brutally honest i think drug addiction is not just because of factors such as the slippery slope logic, pot is only the gateway drug because it is more often then not laced, unless you grow your own supply. that is the slippery slope right there. pot in itself is only psychologically addictive, as in all in your head. how ever if laced with even a small amount of crystal meth, which i believe has a 90% addiction rate or higher on the first try then your addicted to crystal meth. you do different dealers, you get different shit, be it E, Crystal or Crack. THAT is why pot is the gateway drug, not because it opens up the thought pattern but because your already addicted when you get access to the stuff
You're an idiot. Its already been proven with tons of different experiments that there is no gateway drug. Its just a smoke screen used for elites to make TONS of money off the general populace.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
i drink milk on a regular basis, my brother how ever hates the stuff and is an underaged alcoholic and smokes weed on a regular basis. i do neither... who drinks what does not matter in my personal un-educated opinion. kids do things because they want to. the reasons why are often stupid and irrational but they are still reasons. to be brutally honest i think drug addiction is not just because of factors such as the slippery slope logic, pot is only the gateway drug because it is more often then not laced, unless you grow your own supply. that is the slippery slope right there. pot in itself is only psychologically addictive, as in all in your head. how ever if laced with even a small amount of crystal meth, which i believe has a 90% addiction rate or higher on the first try then your addicted to crystal meth. you do different dealers, you get different shit, be it E, Crystal or Crack. THAT is why pot is the gateway drug, not because it opens up the thought pattern but because your already addicted when you get access to the stuff
The only way pot can be a gateway drug is because of the social setting it is sold in.
Make it illegal, and the place you can get it is the same place as where you can get harddrugs. And if it is equally illegal, and in the same scene, pushing hard-drugs on a cannabis user is easy.
Sell it in a social open setting, like a "coffeeshop", and that problem is gone. The benefit, of having legal selling in a nice environment is also that people are seen and known. People who might wither away when getting the drugs in an illegal setting, now can sit down and play a game of chess.
Here some "coffeeshops" have quite a few customers who don't use cannabis come in for their coffee or tea.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
i drink milk on a regular basis, my brother how ever hates the stuff and is an underaged alcoholic and smokes weed on a regular basis. i do neither... who drinks what does not matter in my personal un-educated opinion. kids do things because they want to. the reasons why are often stupid and irrational but they are still reasons. to be brutally honest i think drug addiction is not just because of factors such as the slippery slope logic, pot is only the gateway drug because it is more often then not laced, unless you grow your own supply. that is the slippery slope right there. pot in itself is only psychologically addictive, as in all in your head. how ever if laced with even a small amount of crystal meth, which i believe has a 90% addiction rate or higher on the first try then your addicted to crystal meth. you do different dealers, you get different shit, be it E, Crystal or Crack. THAT is why pot is the gateway drug, not because it opens up the thought pattern but because your already addicted when you get access to the stuff
You're an idiot. Its already been proven with tons of different experiments that there is no gateway drug. Its just a smoke screen used for elites to make TONS of money off the general populace.
that was my point, there is no gateway drug but it is easy to pin on weed as its often laced with things, in a car g2g
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Oh i see. Whoops. :green:
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
i drink milk on a regular basis, my brother how ever hates the stuff and is an underaged alcoholic and smokes weed on a regular basis. i do neither... who drinks what does not matter in my personal un-educated opinion. kids do things because they want to. the reasons why are often stupid and irrational but they are still reasons. to be brutally honest i think drug addiction is not just because of factors such as the slippery slope logic, pot is only the gateway drug because it is more often then not laced, unless you grow your own supply. that is the slippery slope right there. pot in itself is only psychologically addictive, as in all in your head. how ever if laced with even a small amount of crystal meth, which i believe has a 90% addiction rate or higher on the first try then your addicted to crystal meth. you do different dealers, you get different shit, be it E, Crystal or Crack. THAT is why pot is the gateway drug, not because it opens up the thought pattern but because your already addicted when you get access to the stuff
You're an idiot. Its already been proven with tons of different experiments that there is no gateway drug. Its just a smoke screen used for elites to make TONS of money off the general populace.
that was my point, there is no gateway drug but it is easy to pin on weed as its often laced with things, in a car g2g
However, you're still an idiot for spreading misinformation on drugs. 90% addiction rate or higher when you so much as try crystal meth for the first time? That is the biggest load of shit, something I might have expected from TCO.
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I don't think pot is usually laced. It probably isnt laced, actually, why would someone add expensive drugs to weed and sell it as weed ? I've been smoking pot for 15 years and never got laced weed.
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Heroin? LSD? ICE? Crack? Cocaine? Meth?
Pot is the start, the other addictions and deaths follow.
Slippery slope fallacy of logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope)
What fallacy?
Don't you know almost all alcoholics started with milk early in their life.
i drink milk on a regular basis, my brother how ever hates the stuff and is an underaged alcoholic and smokes weed on a regular basis. i do neither... who drinks what does not matter in my personal un-educated opinion. kids do things because they want to. the reasons why are often stupid and irrational but they are still reasons. to be brutally honest i think drug addiction is not just because of factors such as the slippery slope logic, pot is only the gateway drug because it is more often then not laced, unless you grow your own supply. that is the slippery slope right there. pot in itself is only psychologically addictive, as in all in your head. how ever if laced with even a small amount of crystal meth, which i believe has a 90% addiction rate or higher on the first try then your addicted to crystal meth. you do different dealers, you get different shit, be it E, Crystal or Crack. THAT is why pot is the gateway drug, not because it opens up the thought pattern but because your already addicted when you get access to the stuff
You're an idiot. Its already been proven with tons of different experiments that there is no gateway drug. Its just a smoke screen used for elites to make TONS of money off the general populace.
that was my point, there is no gateway drug but it is easy to pin on weed as its often laced with things, in a car g2g
However, you're still an idiot for spreading misinformation on drugs. 90% addiction rate or higher when you so much as try crystal meth for the first time? That is the biggest load of shit, something I might have expected from TCO.
Why is it always those who are addicted to things that defend them the most?
Sure, drugs (insert your poison) aren't going to be addictive for everyone, however why play russian roulette? Is it soooo worth it?
Every long term user who I would classify an addict (ie; using regularly) defends its use as recreational. It is not recreational when it affects your relationships, your social life (ie; you need it to socialise or relax)...I don't care what anyone says.
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I take dexamphetamine daily, on prescription (I'd be taking speed daily if I bought it from a guy on a street corner rather than picked it up from the local pharmacy), and my mum would be the first person to tell you how much better I am when I'm on it. It loses it's effectiveness over time and I take a break from it every 1-2 months to reduce my tolerance, which is a somewhat unpleasant experience due to the neurochemical kickback, and I get mild cravings for it during breaks from it, but it's a price worth paying for the benefits I get from it.
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I take dexamphetamine daily, on prescription (I'd be taking speed daily if I bought it from a guy on a street corner rather than picked it up from the local pharmacy), and my mum would be the first person to tell you how much better I am when I'm on it. It loses it's effectiveness over time and I take a break from it every 1-2 months to reduce my tolerance, which is a somewhat unpleasant experience due to the neurochemical kickback, and I get mild cravings for it during breaks from it, but it's a price worth paying for the benefits I get from it.
I understand prescription drugs can be more harmful than so called 'recreational' drugs. I've never denied some people need medication. What I am against is constant self medication without dealing with the real problem that lies beneath it, that is the dangerous part.
Peter, I've seen people very close to me completely fuck their lives up and break the hearts of their families with both prescribed and recreational drugs. I'm particularly conscious of having watched someone progress through the stages of having an occasional joint, through the whole gamut of rehab. Not just that person, but a large majority of the people who started out with 'harmless' drug use and alcohol use for that matter.
I've had this debate elsewhere on the site before, I just feel very strongly about drugs as a crutch for some people, particularly the recreational type when used on a consistent basis. I will always feel that way, and that is one opinion I will never stray on, I am sure. I'd like to think I am open minded on some things, but not this issue.
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I take dexamphetamine daily, on prescription (I'd be taking speed daily if I bought it from a guy on a street corner rather than picked it up from the local pharmacy), and my mum would be the first person to tell you how much better I am when I'm on it. It loses it's effectiveness over time and I take a break from it every 1-2 months to reduce my tolerance, which is a somewhat unpleasant experience due to the neurochemical kickback, and I get mild cravings for it during breaks from it, but it's a price worth paying for the benefits I get from it.
I understand prescription drugs can be more harmful than so called 'recreational' drugs. I've never denied some people need medication. What I am against is constant self medication without dealing with the real problem that lies beneath it, that is the dangerous part.
Peter, I've seen people very close to me completely fuck their lives up and break the hearts of their families with both prescribed and recreational drugs. I'm particularly conscious of having watched someone progress through the stages of having an occasional joint, through the whole gamut of rehab. Not just that person, but a large majority of the people who started out with 'harmless' drug use and alcohol use for that matter.
I've had this debate elsewhere on the site before, I just feel very strongly about drugs as a crutch for some people, particularly the recreational type when used on a consistent basis. I will always feel that way, and that is one opinion I will never stray on, I am sure. I'd like to think I am open minded on some things, but not this issue.
How about alcohol and caffeine they are self administered is that wrong then?
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I take dexamphetamine daily, on prescription (I'd be taking speed daily if I bought it from a guy on a street corner rather than picked it up from the local pharmacy), and my mum would be the first person to tell you how much better I am when I'm on it. It loses it's effectiveness over time and I take a break from it every 1-2 months to reduce my tolerance, which is a somewhat unpleasant experience due to the neurochemical kickback, and I get mild cravings for it during breaks from it, but it's a price worth paying for the benefits I get from it.
I understand prescription drugs can be more harmful than so called 'recreational' drugs. I've never denied some people need medication. What I am against is constant self medication without dealing with the real problem that lies beneath it, that is the dangerous part.
Peter, I've seen people very close to me completely fuck their lives up and break the hearts of their families with both prescribed and recreational drugs. I'm particularly conscious of having watched someone progress through the stages of having an occasional joint, through the whole gamut of rehab. Not just that person, but a large majority of the people who started out with 'harmless' drug use and alcohol use for that matter.
I've had this debate elsewhere on the site before, I just feel very strongly about drugs as a crutch for some people, particularly the recreational type when used on a consistent basis. I will always feel that way, and that is one opinion I will never stray on, I am sure. I'd like to think I am open minded on some things, but not this issue.
How about alcohol and caffeine they are self administered is that wrong then?
I mentioned alcohol.
I don't recall caffeine addiction as having affects of violence, fucking up people's lives and forcing them into rehab.
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I take dexamphetamine daily, on prescription (I'd be taking speed daily if I bought it from a guy on a street corner rather than picked it up from the local pharmacy), and my mum would be the first person to tell you how much better I am when I'm on it. It loses it's effectiveness over time and I take a break from it every 1-2 months to reduce my tolerance, which is a somewhat unpleasant experience due to the neurochemical kickback, and I get mild cravings for it during breaks from it, but it's a price worth paying for the benefits I get from it.
I understand prescription drugs can be more harmful than so called 'recreational' drugs. I've never denied some people need medication. What I am against is constant self medication without dealing with the real problem that lies beneath it, that is the dangerous part.
Peter, I've seen people very close to me completely fuck their lives up and break the hearts of their families with both prescribed and recreational drugs. I'm particularly conscious of having watched someone progress through the stages of having an occasional joint, through the whole gamut of rehab. Not just that person, but a large majority of the people who started out with 'harmless' drug use and alcohol use for that matter.
I've had this debate elsewhere on the site before, I just feel very strongly about drugs as a crutch for some people, particularly the recreational type when used on a consistent basis. I will always feel that way, and that is one opinion I will never stray on, I am sure. I'd like to think I am open minded on some things, but not this issue.
How about alcohol and caffeine they are self administered is that wrong then?
I mentioned alcohol.
I don't recall caffeine addiction as having affects of violence, fucking up people's lives and forcing them into rehab.
Should we have harsh penalties for alcohol use also then?
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war on drugs is as lame as any war on a concept, rather than an enemy
such as war on terror
where is the "war on crime" btw? is crime not a priority?
declare war on crime, fight the war, win it, and presto:
no more crime! ever :O
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The laws are not enforced evenly and are widely ignored this can only lead to bad things
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It's too bad we didn't legalize pot here in California, it would make dank so much cheaper. :stoned:
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We're getting some grass over Christmas.
Woohoo. Time to dust down the bong :party: :party: :party:
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We're getting some grass over Christmas.
Woohoo. Time to dust down the bong :party: :party: :party:
thats so ghetto, your getting it ON xmas eve? thats the best. thats hardcore
you know what i did? apart from getting out at night after presents, food, and mommys bedtime to score weed :angel:
i managed to end up smoking opium
on xmas eve
*badass* :zoinks: :green: 8)
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We're getting some grass over Christmas.
Woohoo. Time to dust down the bong :party: :party: :party:
thats so ghetto, your getting it ON xmas eve? thats the best. thats hardcore
you know what i did? apart from getting out at night after presents, food, and mommys bedtime to score weed :angel:
i managed to end up smoking opium
on xmas eve
*badass* :zoinks: :green: 8)
The funny thing is that it's my aunt and uncle who are getting it. The whole family are gonna be stoned :laugh:
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Has been a while since I touched the stuff. Could do with a bit of it myself.