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Paleo Diet Summary Introduction
The optimum diet for the human animal based on the nutritional requirements established during its
evolutionary path to its present form (the modern homo sapiens). The biologically appropriate diet. What Is The Paleo Diet?
Paleo is a simple dietary lifestyle that is based on foods being either in or out. In are the Paleolithic Era foods that we ate prior to agriculture and animal husbandry (meat, fish, shellfish, eggs, tree nuts, vegetables, roots, fruit, berries, mushrooms, etc.). Out are Neolithic Era foods that result from agriculture or animal husbandry (grains, dairy, beans/legumes, potatoes, sugar and fake foods).
Optimal Foraging Theory says our ancestors mostly ate foods that were easiest to hunt or gather at that specific locale. As nomads we would have adapted to various mixes of foods. Under the paleo concept the quantities consumed of each “in” food is up to the individual. You can make it meat heavy if you want, or more fruit and veggies if you prefer, as long as the foods you eat are paleo. Fruits in the Paleolithic would have been tart and smaller, and you may want to limit modern fruit because of this.
Acceptable oils should be restricted to those from fruits (olive, oil palm, avocado) or tree nuts (coconut, walnut, almond, hazelnut, pecan, macadamia). No high-tech industrial seed oils could have existed back then. Wild game meat would be the ideal, but grass-fed meat is used as a practical substitute. The grass-fed is needed to get the proper balance of Omega 3 (from green plants) and Omega 6 (from seeds) fatty acids. Organ meats and bone marrow are very paleo. No processed meats. Consumption of fat from grass-fed animals need not be restricted. See Gary Taubes's Good Calories, Bad Calories. Fish should be wild-caught. For everything else organic is preferred, as this is the best we can do to get food free of modern pollutants and with the original micronutrients.
The effort to collect most seeds would not be as optimal as collecting other foods, unless collected as a condiment for the seed’s taste. Some meaty seeds, like sunflower, may have been a food. To protect their reproductive cycle, plants put anti-nutrients in seed coverings to discourage animal consumption (phytic acid, lectins, and enzyme inhibitors). Fruit seeds are not supposed to be digested, but to pass through and still be viable. They would never have been a food.
Eat the greatest variety of foods possible. Bush hunters kill whatever they find moving. Foragers note that there are more than 300 edible plants that our ancestors would have known about. Many are leafy greens. A wide range of herbs and spices is encouraged.
Salt should not be added to food. They did not have salt shakers. After removing added salt from your diet your taste buds will lose the tolerance they developed for salt. The same thing happens after sweetness is removed.
The only beverage that is truly paleo is water. You need to drink only when you are thirsty. The best is spring water that has been certified to be free of pharmaceuticals, with no chlorine or fluoride added. Buy in large PET bottles. See report on: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water. If you want caffeine, organic green tea is the most paleo. It is the least processed. Coffee is a seed inside a fruit and is not edible raw. Fruit juice is concentrated fructose that would not have existed and would not be paleo. A more paleo beverage would be coconut water.
Agave “nectar” is just the euphemistic marketing name for High Fructose Agave Syrup. It is highly refined and it should be avoided. The only paleo sweetener is raw honey, and only in limited quantities. You could argue that very dilute maple syrup is paleo. If you must have sweetness, another possibility is coconut palm sugar. But best is to get all sweets out of your diet and get over it.
The inclusion of alcohol in the paleo diet is controversial. Our paleo ancestors would have come upon and eaten fermented fruit. Even spurned male butterflies get drunk on fermented fruit. Some have issues with the yeast. In Wild Fermentation (p. 127 in Amazon.com's Look Inside) there is a recipe for spontaneous hard cider that requires no added sugar or yeast. Now the resulting product (6% ABV) does not last long, but it would be paleo! No published paleo diet includes alcohol. But if you are going to drink it, pick one from fermented fruit and water it down to 6%. Another paleo high would have been eating cannabis leaves.
Paleo foods are nutrient dense. Supplementation would not be needed, and would not be paleo. There is one exception: Vitamin D. At least it should be supplemented for those of us that don’t live outside year round, and don't eat liver regularly. See recommendations at the Vitamin D Council. If you don't eat fish often, fish oil is another way to get Omega 3 fatty acids, though some prefer krill oil.
Food should be eaten when hungry – not at set times of the day. They hunted and gathered foods in anticipation of, or in response to, hunger pangs.
This is also called the Caveman Diet, though there is little evidence that many of our ancestors actually lived in caves. Caves with paintings were only visited once a year. The name “Caveman Diet” implies a brutish character that thrived on meat. Stone Age Diet, besides sounding a bit old fashioned, is not correct. The Stone Age also covers part of the Neolithic. Hunter-Gatherer Diet is descriptive, but cumbersome. And other names are primal diet, ancestral diet, and evolutionary diet.
http://paleodiet.com/definition.htm
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I've eaten something that loosely approximates a paleolithic diet for the past 8 years. I used to get eczema flare-ups from wheat and dairy, heart-burn and headaches from high-bran breakfast cereals, bloating and flatulence from some legumes, headaches from other legumes, phlegm from dairy and other issues, but all those problems cleared up when I changed my diet. These days, I mostly eat fruit, nuts (not peanuts), lean meat (mostly chicken breasts), cruciferous vegetables, garden peas (one legume that I tolerate), onions, olive oil and various herbs and spices.
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Regarding meats, you should remember that the vast majority of the food supply came from the gathering part, so a caveman's diet was largely vegetarian. The paleo diet not only shows what you should eat, but how much of each.
As for Omega3's you can also get that quite easily from nuts and flax. If you want to eat fish, it has to be fished out, not farmed. Of course, in this day and age you can't eat too much fish because of all the pollutants.
One more thing, try as much as possible to eat organic or eat local, since that is closest to what the early humans ate. Most of the food in a typical grocery store comes from large monocultures where they are overloaded with pesticides, herbicides, and GMO crops. The fertilizers in "conventional" foods is made from natural gas via the Haber-Bosch process. Not only does it lead to foods that are nutrient deficient, but it is completely unsustainable in the long run.
Just some pointers for you if you want to eat healthier.
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I eat about 150 grams of chicken each day, and 2-3kg of fruit and veg. I also shit several times a day.
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Neanderthal and Cro-magnon diet was mainly animal .They were accomplished hunters.Of course anything edible was consumed , berries , nuts ,etc.
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Neanderthal and Cro-magnon diet was mainly animal .They were accomplished hunters.Of course anything edible was consumed , berries , nuts ,etc.
The specifics of their diet actually depended on where they were. The "Cro-Magnon" as a whole encompassed a wide variety of tribes and geographical locations. Up north where there was very little vegetation, then yes, it was probably animal based. Not so much further down south. In fact, for most Cro-Magnons it was actually quite balanced.
Most of humanity during this time, though, depended largely on what was gathered. Any meat in their diet would have overwhelmingly been comprised of small game.
The Neanderthals to be sure were almost exclusively carnivorous, which may have been a contributing factor in their extinction.
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It is interesting that many Neanderthal remains are found with rodeo type injuries. It is supposed that their method of hunting involved actual jumping on their prey to bring it down.
Since I consider them to be my ancestors , all I can say is "ride em ,cowboy."
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
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It is interesting that many Neanderthal remains are found with rodeo type injuries. It is supposed that their method of hunting involved actual jumping on their prey to bring it down.
Since I consider them to be my ancestors , all I can say is "ride em ,cowboy."
What are rodeo type injuries?
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It is interesting that many Neanderthal remains are found with rodeo type injuries. It is supposed that their method of hunting involved actual jumping on their prey to bring it down.
Since I consider them to be my ancestors , all I can say is "ride em ,cowboy."
What are rodeo type injuries?
example would be bull riding injuries
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
No ,dont do that ,you spear the deer and I will build a fire :headbang2:
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It is interesting that many Neanderthal remains are found with rodeo type injuries. It is supposed that their method of hunting involved actual jumping on their prey to bring it down.
Since I consider them to be my ancestors , all I can say is "ride em ,cowboy."
What are rodeo type injuries?
example would be bull riding injuries
Yes, but what are bull riding injuries? Like being gored?
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Or maybe head injuries?
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It is interesting that many Neanderthal remains are found with rodeo type injuries. It is supposed that their method of hunting involved actual jumping on their prey to bring it down.
Since I consider them to be my ancestors , all I can say is "ride em ,cowboy."
What are rodeo type injuries?
example would be bull riding injuries
Yes, but what are bull riding injuries? Like being gored?
I'd say tossed about type injuries
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In Gibraltar, the Neanderthals could have had access to more than 140 caves, which provided them with a wealth of resources. The research mentions a corridor along the coasts of the south east of Spain that the Neanderthals possibly used in order to avoid the steep terrain found in the interior mountain ranges which had inhospitable climatic conditions during this Quaternary Period.
The existence of this biodiversity hotspot with a supply of plant and animal foodstuffs available "would explain the extraordinary endurance of the Neanderthals in the south west of Europe," emphasizes the researcher. On the other hand, the Neanderthals in the south of Europe had become adapted to surroundings that had semi forest vegetation, as well as fishing resources off the coast, which encouraged their survival.
The inhabitants of Gorham's Cave were omnivorous and ate land mammals (mountain goats, rabbits, quails, duck and pigeon) and marine foods (monk seals, dolphin, fish and mussels). They also ate plants and dried fruits such as those found in the cave that date from 40,000 years ago. They adapted easily to their environment and took advantage of what this provided.
The paleobotanical data collected by the researchers from the Museum of Gibraltar, the Catalonian Institute of Human Paleoecology and Social Evolution, the Laboratory of Archaeobotany (CSIC), the University of Wales (United Kingdom), the University of York (United Kingdom), Pyrenean Institute of Ecology (CSIS) and the University of Murcia, were obtained by studying carbon remains and fossilised pollen grains found in the packed sediment in the cave and in coprolites (fossilised faeces of animals) from hyenas and canids (wolves, jackals, foxes, etc).
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090202140046.htm
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It is interesting that many Neanderthal remains are found with rodeo type injuries. It is supposed that their method of hunting involved actual jumping on their prey to bring it down.
Since I consider them to be my ancestors , all I can say is "ride em ,cowboy."
What are rodeo type injuries?
example would be bull riding injuries
Yes, but what are bull riding injuries? Like being gored?
A study of nearly 2,000 professional rodeo events between 1981 and 2005 found that half of all injuries occurred during bull riding. Knee and shoulder injuries are most common, according to Downey, but "most alarming" are the head injuries. Concussions account for nearly 9 percent of all bull riding injuries, he notes.
Other typical rodeo injuries include finger amputations during calf roping, sprains to the knee, shoulder or ankle, and chronic problems that develop from such injuries. Riders are also at risk of being gored or stomped after dismounting or being thrown from an animal.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKIM56572320071005
Because of the power and speed of the average bareback horse, bareback riders suffer a tremendous amount of strain on their riding arm.
Hyper-extended elbows, torn biceps, and separated shoulders are common bareback rider injuries due to the strain put on the arm.
Because of the extreme riding position of bareback riders, neck injuries are also quite common.
Bareback riders can also suffer injuries to their lower back, spinal cord, and tailbone area due to the jarring effect of a bucking bareback horse.
http://rodeo.about.com/od/barebackfaq/f/barebackinjury.htm
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Ew, finger amputations.
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Happened more than you think in construction I have even been on jobs where it has happened
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Happened more than you think in construction I have even been on jobs where it has happened
So have I.
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
It's better to cook it. Humans have been eating cooked meat for a very long time; long enough to have biologically adapted to it, and raw meat can harbour all kinds of nasty parasites.
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
It's better to cook it. Humans have been eating cooked meat for a very long time; long enough to have biologically adapted to it, and raw meat can harbour all kinds of nasty parasites.
I understand the concept of trying to eat as closely as possible to what our bodies were built to process, however, if you say that we have biologically adapted to cooked meat, then it would figure that there are many other things we would have adapted to also.
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
It's better to cook it. Humans have been eating cooked meat for a very long time; long enough to have biologically adapted to it, and raw meat can harbour all kinds of nasty parasites.
I understand the concept of trying to eat as closely as possible to what our bodies were built to process, however, if you say that we have biologically adapted to cooked meat, then it would figure that there are many other things we would have adapted to also.
Cooked food became a major part of the human diet about 250,000 years ago, and we've adapted to a soft, cooked, pre-processed diet to the point that our jaws have shrunk and some of us no longer grow wisdom teeth, but grain, dairy, legumes and oil seeds only began to appear in the human diet in significant quantities with the advent of agriculture, about 10,000 years ago. Genetic adaptations to these new foods haven't yet been fully distributed through human populations, and the adaptations are concentrated in the populations with the longest histories of exposure to these foods and for whom the ability to tolerate the foods had a high selective advantage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#History_of_genetic_prevalence
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
It's better to cook it. Humans have been eating cooked meat for a very long time; long enough to have biologically adapted to it, and raw meat can harbour all kinds of nasty parasites.
I understand the concept of trying to eat as closely as possible to what our bodies were built to process, however, if you say that we have biologically adapted to cooked meat, then it would figure that there are many other things we would have adapted to also.
Cooked food became a major part of the human diet about 250,000 years ago, and we've adapted to a soft, cooked, pre-processed diet to the point that our jaws have shrunk and some of us no longer grow wisdom teeth, but grain, dairy, legumes and oil seeds only began to appear in the human diet in significant quantities with the advent of agriculture, about 10,000 years ago. Genetic adaptations to these new foods haven't yet been fully distributed through human populations, and the adaptations are concentrated in the populations with the longest histories of exposure to these foods and for whom the ability to tolerate the foods had a high selective advantage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#History_of_genetic_prevalence
It's interesting that people who are lactose intolerant use soy products, but how long have they been around for?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean
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I think I will go out and spear a deer tonight and eat it raw :zoinks:
It's better to cook it. Humans have been eating cooked meat for a very long time; long enough to have biologically adapted to it, and raw meat can harbour all kinds of nasty parasites.
I understand the concept of trying to eat as closely as possible to what our bodies were built to process, however, if you say that we have biologically adapted to cooked meat, then it would figure that there are many other things we would have adapted to also.
Cooked food became a major part of the human diet about 250,000 years ago, and we've adapted to a soft, cooked, pre-processed diet to the point that our jaws have shrunk and some of us no longer grow wisdom teeth, but grain, dairy, legumes and oil seeds only began to appear in the human diet in significant quantities with the advent of agriculture, about 10,000 years ago. Genetic adaptations to these new foods haven't yet been fully distributed through human populations, and the adaptations are concentrated in the populations with the longest histories of exposure to these foods and for whom the ability to tolerate the foods had a high selective advantage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#History_of_genetic_prevalence
It's interesting that people who are lactose intolerant use soy products, but how long have they been around for?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean
Soy has been cultivated in eastern Asia for the past 5,000-10,000 years, and although new foods don't necessarily pose problems, soy is rather problematic. Like many beans, it's quite toxic and indigestible, and it requires extensive processing to become edible. Traditionally, this was achieved by soaking the beans, cooking them for long periods and fermenting them, but modern products like soy milk and meat substitutes are made from soy products that have been refined and chemically modified using modern industrial methods. Despite this processing, there are still concerns over the safety of soy products, mostly due to high levels of phytoestrogens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens) in the raw beans and processed products.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Health_risks
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I should also mention that more than 90% of soybean products (at least here in the US) are GMO's, and mostly so that Monsanto can sell stronger and stronger herbicides.
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
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So are soy hot dogs...
The only soy-based meat-substitutes I like are the Boca Burgers. Otherwise I just stick with Tofu. I don't eat a lot of it in general because the brands I buy are expensive as hell (I take special care to make sure they are non-GMO, certified organic, fair trade, etc.).
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I wouldn't eat any other hotdog but a soy hotdog. If I was in a hotdog mood, which is most likely once a year.
I'd also choose a soy sausage over a normal one. But they are a treat rather than a regular addition. The ones we have here are nice;
http://www.sanitarium.com.au/products/vegetarian/vegie-delights-chilled/vegie-sausages
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:GA:OH NOES IT"S GMO WE "RE ALL GOING TO DIE :GA:
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
I knew that was not your point but it struck me as funny. Via my Seventh Day Adventist relatives at holiday meals I have been subjected to that soy based basura. :zombiefuck:
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
I knew that was not your point but it struck me as funny. Via my Seventh Day Adventist relatives at holiday meals I have been subjected to that soy based basura. :zombiefuck:
Would they mind if you brought your own steak from home? :chin:
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
I knew that was not your point but it struck me as funny. Via my Seventh Day Adventist relatives at holiday meals I have been subjected to that soy based basura. :zombiefuck:
Would they mind if you brought your own steak from home? :chin:
I was too young to do so at the time. Now that Grandpa Johnson is dead almost all the SDAs are former SDAs.
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
I knew that was not your point but it struck me as funny. Via my Seventh Day Adventist relatives at holiday meals I have been subjected to that soy based basura. :zombiefuck:
Would they mind if you brought your own steak from home? :chin:
I was too young to do so at the time. Now that Grandpa Johnson is dead almost all the SDAs are former SDAs.
I worked with a very fine SDA for almost 20 years.
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
I knew that was not your point but it struck me as funny. Via my Seventh Day Adventist relatives at holiday meals I have been subjected to that soy based basura. :zombiefuck:
Would they mind if you brought your own steak from home? :chin:
I was too young to do so at the time. Now that Grandpa Johnson is dead almost all the SDAs are former SDAs.
I worked with a very fine SDA for almost 20 years.
I get along fine with SDA people as long as I am not expected to eat mock turkey etc.
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OT mini-bitch: vegan (soy-based afaik) bacon is awful, I wouldn't feed it to a dog! :sick:
:rofl: That is funny. Vegans aren't even bitches - they are mini bitches. :indeed:
I respect their commitment, but that diet is not for me, it'd turn me into a BIG bitch! :laugh:
I knew that was not your point but it struck me as funny. Via my Seventh Day Adventist relatives at holiday meals I have been subjected to that soy based basura. :zombiefuck:
Would they mind if you brought your own steak from home? :chin:
I was too young to do so at the time. Now that Grandpa Johnson is dead almost all the SDAs are former SDAs.
I worked with a very fine SDA for almost 20 years.
I get along fine with SDA people as long as I am not expected to eat mock turkey etc.
Tofurkey! :rofl:
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Don't worry I posted that just to postwhore. Actually Ed is a bit unusual. Ed is Afro-American. He quietly lives his religion. When we had to work overtime it was never on Saturday, which was fine with me. I haven't seen him since about 2005 or so.
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SDA are a strange bunch I know quite a few and even more former ones they have a retention problem it seems
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SDA are a strange bunch I know quite a few and even more former ones they have a retention problem it seems
They are quite rare here.
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SDA are a strange bunch I know quite a few and even more former ones they have a retention problem it seems
They are quite rare here.
I do work for a builder who is and he has recommended me to others otherwise I'd never know there were that many about
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SDA are a strange bunch I know quite a few and even more former ones they have a retention problem it seems
They are quite rare here.
I do work for a builder who is and he has recommended me to others otherwise I'd never know there were that many about
My former family in law are (ex-)SDA. A minority group here.
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SDA are a strange bunch I know quite a few and even more former ones they have a retention problem it seems
They are quite rare here.
I do work for a builder who is and he has recommended me to others otherwise I'd never know there were that many about
My former family in law are (ex-)SDA. A minority group here.
I don't think there are that many about here I just know a bunch through that builder
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dont think I have ever met one
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SDA are a strange bunch I know quite a few and even more former ones they have a retention problem it seems
They are quite rare here.
I do work for a builder who is and he has recommended me to others otherwise I'd never know there were that many about
My former family in law are (ex-)SDA. A minority group here.
I don't think there are that many about here I just know a bunch through that builder
Know a bunch here, and all have got family in the USA I think.
The USA SDA members I know are more zealous than the Dutch ones.
Funny how their food regulations are quite pragmatic.
Most French SDA members will drink wine, most German members will drink beer, most Dutch ones drink coffee. Half of the ones I know do eat meat. The only thing that seems not done, all over the world is smoking.