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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Scrapheap on March 07, 2010, 12:06:57 PM
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It's about time that American Liberal Groups find some internal philosophical consistency and realize that the Bill of Rights was meant for individual and not states rights.
Article (http://www.newsweek.com/id/234185?GT1=43002)
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Very good. Won't happen in Europe, though, unless some really shattering happens.
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It could be the left is starting to wise up when picking their battles, or at least which battles to make the most noise over. Weapons rights are a key deciding factor among some voters who are fairly middle of the road in their own political philosophy, and would easily be swayed to the other side if gun control were held in the same light from both sides. Seems it could take some time for that to really happen though.
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Leftists are real idiots, since gun laws originally were made to oppress the masses. They are pro something that was originally invented to keep them from gaining power.
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Now this is something i'm glad to see happening. Maybe this could be a domino effect? :zoinks:
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this just in: the right is now pro choice.
does it matter? they are the same. they seem to disagree on some hot topics that polarizes the voter.
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Now this is something i'm glad to see happening. Maybe this could be a domino effect? :zoinks:
Like I said: not outside the US. The rest of the planet won't follow. We copy-cat all crap from America, like McDonalds, but not the good things like freedom of speech or right to own guns.
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Now this is something i'm glad to see happening. Maybe this could be a domino effect? :zoinks:
Like I said: not outside the US. The rest of the planet won't follow. We copy-cat all crap from America, like McDonalds, but not the good things like freedom of speech or right to own guns.
Ingrate! McDonald's is perfectly good food! :P
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But anyway, the Swedish social democrats and communists are idiots when in favour of the gun law, since the gun law was originally introduced because social democrats and communists used to carry guns during their meetings. The gun law was introduced to make the people defenseless against the state.
And how perverted isn't politics when "liberal" means that you want to ban something?
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It could be the left is starting to wise up when picking their battles, or at least which battles to make the most noise over. Weapons rights are a key deciding factor among some voters who are fairly middle of the road in their own political philosophy, and would easily be swayed to the other side if gun control were held in the same light from both sides. Seems it could take some time for that to really happen though.
I don't think it's so much an issue of wising up about which battles to pick, as it is realizing that they've been wrong about this issue all along.
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Leftists are real idiots, since gun laws originally were made to oppress the masses. They are pro something that was originally invented to keep them from gaining power.
The Left claims to represent the masses, especially the dowtrodden ones, therefore their position on gun rights has always seemed self-contradictory to me.
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Now this is something i'm glad to see happening. Maybe this could be a domino effect? :zoinks:
One could only hope! :thumbup:
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this just in: the right is now pro choice.
does it matter? they are the same. they seem to disagree on some hot topics that polarizes the voter.
The Right, at least in America, seemse to tollerate more ideological diversity, so long as they don't break Reagan's eleventh commandment.
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But anyway, the Swedish social democrats and communists are idiots when in favour of the gun law, since the gun law was originally introduced because social democrats and communists used to carry guns during their meetings.
One of the distinguishing charachteristics of authoritarian bullshit is hypocricy
The gun law was introduced to make the people defenseless against the state.
As are all gun laws. The .50 BMG was outlawed in California despite never being used in a crime. The cops fear the .50 BMG because they know they're defensless against it. 8)
And how perverted isn't politics when "liberal" means that you want to ban something?
QFT! that's why the term Libertarian exists as a seperate term from Liberalism.
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It's so shamelessly obvious that gun laws are made for the sole purpose to oppress the masses of the people:
*The Brits confiscated people's guns in America shortly before the revolution, so that the colonists shouldn't be able to make a civil uprising.
*Germany had a short ban on civilian guns in 1920, just after it was defeated in WWI.
*Many European countries introduced their gun laws between the WWs, when there was great civilian unrest in many coutries. The Soviet Union was one of the first to ban most guns and had the worst punishments for crimes against them.
*Germany had an 11 year long total gun ban again after it was defeated in WWII.
*North Korea and China have total gun bans for civilians, and the punishment for illegal possession of firearms is death.
*Russia still has a minimum punishment of four years for illegal possession of firearms. Only rifles for hunting are allowed.
So as you can see, gun laws are/were introduced were there is/was civilian unrest and/or a country was defeated in war. And the most draconic gun laws and punishments for breaking them are in authoritarian and totalitarian states.
How can anyone possibly need more proof that gun laws are there for the quite opposite purpose that the ones in charge claim?
Yet, here in Sweden, the pacifist cunts won't reply to this if you face them with this fact. They will first ridicule you and then starting over with "Guns are bad", "Guns are made only to kill", "Go to the USA if you don't like to live in peace(!)" etc.
I have even heard/read people outspokenly suggest that the cops should leave the criminals' guns but concentrate on disarming the law-abiding people, since the law-abiding people are so many more!!!
And when I say to one of these cunts: "OK, since you hate guns so much, I guess you want to disarm the cops and the military as well?", the stupid fuck usually answers: "No, the police and military have a job to do(!)" Yes, dipshit, they have a job to do, namely to fuck you up the arse. Or they say "Ordinary people don't need guns". Or both.
God what I hate Swedish cunts (which are the majority of this country's population). I actually hope for some big terrorist attack or a Russian invasion or something, because that seems to be the only way to bring the stupid and incredibly naïve Swedes in contact with reality.
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this just in: the right is now pro choice.
does it matter? they are the same. they seem to disagree on some hot topics that polarizes the voter.
QFT. As Bill Hicks said, it's all one party--the Business-as-Usual Party.
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They are the same and they should all be fought. But the people can't fighting them by accepting their oppression.
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I have even heard/read people outspokenly suggest that the cops should leave the criminals' guns but concentrate on disarming the law-abiding people, since the law-abiding people are so many more!!!
This just shows the Orwellian Double-Think that othewise smart peoplec an believe in, once they become brainwashed.
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this just in: the right is now pro choice.
does it matter? they are the same. they seem to disagree on some hot topics that polarizes the voter.
QFT. As Bill Hicks said, it's all one party--the Business-as-Usual Party.
That's because all American politics comes from the classical Liberal tradition. They're just the conservative and liberal ends of it, so there's not much difference.
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I have even heard/read people outspokenly suggest that the cops should leave the criminals' guns but concentrate on disarming the law-abiding people, since the law-abiding people are so many more!!!
This just shows the Orwellian Double-Think that othewise smart peoplec an believe in, once they become brainwashed.
Yup. It was some jerk having a pretty big and well-known (for Swedish circumstances) blog suggesting it. It's kind of surreal reading such proposals. He meant it, that was obvious.
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Anarchists piss me off. :orly:
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Anarchists are BRAVE! :arrr:
You can sing this to the melody of the Internationale:
Verdammt! Wach auf, du Hammelherde
die immer noch im Dreck du liegst!
Trag Aufruhr um die ganze Erde
bevor du in die Luft mit fliegst!
Zur Hölle mit den Bürokraten!
Zum Teufel mit dem Militär!
Die sollen im Atompark braten:
Vorwärts, Genossen ans Gewehr!
Völker, auf zur Randale!
Weg mit Gott, Staat und Geld!
Die Internationale
kämpft für die freie Welt!
Es hilft Euch weder Pfaff, noch Bonze
kein Gott, kein Kanzler, Präsident
und was da sonst noch steht in Bronze:
es stürzt, wenn Ihr nicht länger pennt!
Hohles Gequatsche: Menschenrechte!
Leeres Geschwätz: sozialer Staat!
Ihr bleibt Lohnsklaven, Stiefelknechte
helft ihr euch selbst nicht durch die Tat!
Völker, auf zur Randale!
Weg mit Gott, Staat und Geld!
Die Internationale
kämpft für die freie Welt!
Im Norden, Süden, Osten, Westen
vertraut nicht Führer noch Partei
die stehen auf der anderen Seite
und halten nur sich selber frei.
Nehmt Euer Schicksal in die eignen Hände
reißt Mauern, Grenzen, Zäune ein!
Erst wenn die Herrschaft ist am Ende
kann jeder Mensch sich selbst befrein
Völker, auf zur Randale!
Weg mit Gott, Staat und Geld!
Wir Internationale für die neue Welt!
8)
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According to the "logics" of the gun-haters, lighters should be banned. In 1998 63 people, mostly young, were killed in a disco fiire in Sweden. There have never been a private citizen killing even close to 63 people with a gun in Sweden, so lighters simply should be banned, since one is enough to kill 63 people: Gothenburg discothèque fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothenburg_discoth%C3%A8que_fire)
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Well, the extreme leftists, that is, the few that are still of the old-fashion type, are in favour of using guns:
"Of course we say that the cops are pigs. We say that the type in the uniform is a swine, not a human being. And that's the way we have to deal with him. That means, we have nothing to talk with him about, and it's wrong to talk with this kind of people at all. And of course shooting might occur."
Ulrike Meinhof
„Wir sagen natürlich, die Bullen sind Schweine. Wir sagen, der Typ in Uniform ist ein Schwein, kein Mensch. Und so haben wir uns mit ihnen auseinanderzusetzen. Das heißt, wir haben nicht mit ihm zu reden, und es ist falsch, überhaupt mit diesen Leuten zu reden. Und natürlich kann geschossen werden.“
But most old-fashion leftists are dead. :(
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Anarchists are BRAVE! :arrr:
You can sing this to the melody of the Internationale:
Verdammt! Wach auf, du Hammelherde
die immer noch im Dreck du liegst!
Trag Aufruhr um die ganze Erde
bevor du in die Luft mit fliegst!
Zur Hölle mit den Bürokraten!
Zum Teufel mit dem Militär!
Die sollen im Atompark braten:
Vorwärts, Genossen ans Gewehr!
Völker, auf zur Randale!
Weg mit Gott, Staat und Geld!
Die Internationale
kämpft für die freie Welt!
Es hilft Euch weder Pfaff, noch Bonze
kein Gott, kein Kanzler, Präsident
und was da sonst noch steht in Bronze:
es stürzt, wenn Ihr nicht länger pennt!
Hohles Gequatsche: Menschenrechte!
Leeres Geschwätz: sozialer Staat!
Ihr bleibt Lohnsklaven, Stiefelknechte
helft ihr euch selbst nicht durch die Tat!
Völker, auf zur Randale!
Weg mit Gott, Staat und Geld!
Die Internationale
kämpft für die freie Welt!
Im Norden, Süden, Osten, Westen
vertraut nicht Führer noch Partei
die stehen auf der anderen Seite
und halten nur sich selber frei.
Nehmt Euer Schicksal in die eignen Hände
reißt Mauern, Grenzen, Zäune ein!
Erst wenn die Herrschaft ist am Ende
kann jeder Mensch sich selbst befrein
Völker, auf zur Randale!
Weg mit Gott, Staat und Geld!
Wir Internationale für die neue Welt!
8)
No, YOU can sing this to the melody of the Internationale! It's all in German! :lol:
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:agreed:
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I've made this pretty poor English translation and posted it here before, but you get the most of it:
Damned! Wake up, you herd of sheeps,
who still are lying there in the dirt!
Start uprisings all over the Earth,
before you blow up together with it!
To Hell with the bureaucrats!
To the Devil with the military!
They should be fried in the nuclear plants:
Forwards, comrades, to arms!
So you people come riot,
away with God, state and dough!
The Internationale
fights for the free world!
No Pope, no boss will ever help you,
no God, no chancellor, no president,
and those icons made of bronze
will fall when you no longer abide!
Hollow rubbish: human rights,
empty twaddle: social state.
You will stay payment slaves and boot tenants,
as long as you don't help yourselves through action!
So you people come riot,
away with God, state and dough!
The Internationale
fights for the free world!
In the north, south, east and west,
don't trust any leader or party;
they're on the side of the others,
and will just save their own arse!
Take your destiny in your own hands,
break down walls, borders and fences!
Not before the ones in charge are no more,
every human being can liberate themselves!
So you people come riot,
away with God, state and dough!
We Internationale for the new world!
8)
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Btw, I found this very interesting article on a Swedish homepage about two infamous 19th Centruy thieves and murderers:
"From 1840 the servicemen of the police were allowed to carry weapons. The weapon was a short sabre around the waist or the shoulders. Not until 1927 the police was equipped with pistols and they should be carried in a holster attached to the waist belt."
That's very interesting. Can anyone guess which year firearm licenses were introduced in Sweden for the first time? ::)
http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/slbrott_hjert-tector.htm
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Very good. Won't happen in Europe, though, unless some really shattering happens.
Agree. True fellow anarchist.
Great avatar by the way sorry for being so chatty by the way I’ll have to go do some work soon.
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This was before the Sand Hook shooting.
Liberals have gone back to their gun-grabbing ways. :-\