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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: El on September 10, 2006, 10:32:33 AM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/08/ap/health/mainD8K0S8QG0.shtml
...I wish it would become a trend.
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yeah, i read that. Too bad , I like them stick thin, i think it is more aesthetically pleaseing.
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Different people like different things, but I think a BMI of 18 or over is healthier than one under 18.
Since these gaunt models often spur self-hatred in young girls and this encourages them to starve themselves to look that way, I think this is a good thing.
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too bloody right, Callaway and PMS Elle. >:(
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Should have doing this years ago.
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I always wondered how the tobacco industry could be sued for people smoking and getting sick, and yet the fashion industry has never been sued for encouraging young women to be unhealthy as well.
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I like them stick thin myself, but fuck what I want, this is a great fuckin' idea. (Not that i am pissed at them or think it is all their fault, but i wouldnt be surprised if i wanted stick thin because that is what they gave me and i grew to find attractive.)
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I always wondered how the tobacco industry could be sued for people smoking and getting sick, and yet the fashion industry has never been sued for encouraging young women to be unhealthy as well.
good point. perhaps if magazines, and designers who insist on skinny models, were to be held responsible for the damage they've done, they might stop fucking doing it.
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I always wondered how the tobacco industry could be sued for people smoking and getting sick, and yet the fashion industry has never been sued for encouraging young women to be unhealthy as well.
good point. perhaps if magazines, and designers who insist on skinny models, were to be held responsible for the damage they've done, they might stop fucking doing it.
They'd just get round that though by putting a health warning on adverts, etc >:(
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Might I point out here that a woman can actually be stick-thin and not unhealthy? There's a difference between a skinny woman and a skeleton. A person with the lowest healthy BMI is still pretty damn thin, just less likely to pass out during sex.
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kudos.
and pms elle, i also wish that it would become a trend.
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Different people like different things, but I think a BMI of 18 or over is healthier than one under 18.
Since these gaunt models often spur self-hatred in young girls and this encourages them to starve themselves to look that way, I think this is a good thing.
Damn right,
The fashion industry should be encouraging models with a healther weight to model their clothing instead of the stick thin models. But I doubt that is going to happen :(
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Different people like different things, but I think a BMI of 18 or over is healthier than one under 18.
Since these gaunt models often spur self-hatred in young girls and this encourages them to starve themselves to look that way, I think this is a good thing.
Damn right,
The fashion industry should be encouraging models with a healther weight to model their clothing instead of the stick thin models. But I doubt that is going to happen :(
it will if france and italy do as spain did. they won't have a choice.
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The movie stars and models in the 1950's and early 1960's had curves. Then after Twiggy, they started getting thinner and thinner. They can't get much thinner than they are now without looking completely anorexic and falling over dead, so I think the pendulum has to start swinging back the other way. I think Marilyn Monroe was supposed to have been a size 14, which is the size that today's plus size models wear. Marilyn Monroe is plus size? There's something wrong with that picture to me.
Who is more sexy?
(http://www.earlyvegas.com/monroe/NORMA_JEAN_BAKER_IN_SWIMSUIT.jpg)(http://www.adrants.com/images/anorexic%20model.jpg)
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I have seen pictures of female undead from world of warcraft that are sexier than the girl on the right.
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The movie stars and models in the 1950's and early 1960's had curves. Then after Twiggy, they started getting thinner and thinner. They can't get much thinner than they are now without looking completely anorexic and falling over dead, so I think the pendulum has to start swinging back the other way. I think Marilyn Monroe was supposed to have been a size 14, which is the size that today's plus size models wear. Marilyn Monroe is plus size? There's something wrong with that picture to me.
Who is more sexy?
(http://www.earlyvegas.com/monroe/NORMA_JEAN_BAKER_IN_SWIMSUIT.jpg)(http://www.adrants.com/images/anorexic%20model.jpg)
It is not just the portrayal of what is considered a desirable female which has changed, it is of males as well. Well built, muscularly guys in films was not common in the 50's, nowadays it is pretty common. You look at the male models and actors with well built pecs, arm muscles and sixpacks.
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The whole sixpack thing on guys bothers me. If I touch someone, I want to feel softness and slight squishiness. Just a personal preference, but small potbellies are perfect for me on men.
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nomaken, hear that?
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I am aware and happy about women who aren't looking for highly muscular men, but until you find me a woman who finds blackheads and whiteheads and hundreds of little red bumbs of varying size, and dozens of scars caused by picking them attractive, I will continue to consider myself a 3 or 3.5.
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I have small potbelly. ;D
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8)
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Another note: Â That woman on the right is making shelly duval seem so hot in comparison.
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I'm pretty sure the one on the right has been shopped to make a point, I could be wrong though ???
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i thought that, too. she wouldn't have any breasts at all, and probably no hair, in that state. in fact, breath would be a bit of a miracle.
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I found her accompanying an article saying the Israelis were thinking about requiring modeling agencies to monitor the health and BMI of their models and using only models with a BMI of 19 or over, saying some models have a BMI of as low as 7 and that about 35 - 40% of the 12,000 models who were interviewed by an Israeli photographer were anorexic. If she is photoshopped, I did not do it.
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SEVEN !!! that's utterly... i don't know what to call it. i actually feel sick.
i though i was bad enough - my BMI is 19 ish. christ.
i didn't think you'd photoshopped it, callaway, by the way.
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i didn't think you'd photoshopped it, callaway, by the way.
Me either- I read the article you got it from, it was more the bizzare quality of the pic that made me think it was photoshopped.
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i find pudgy and normal weight girls sexy. i find emaciated chicks beautiful aesthetically and want to look like that myself. i'd be glad to see kate winslety types more in the media, i'm getting tired of seeing the same damn meatless bodytype on all of the mag covers. why don't we celebrate variety? skeletals and the katewinslets and pudgier girls all in the same pool... all those bodytypes can be healthy too. it's all individual.
I have small potbelly. ;D
i love you ;D
and so do i, unfortunately :laugh:
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A small potbelly on girls is cute.
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France normally like their models between a UK size 4 and a size 6 especially for couture, Japan are pretty much the same so i was told from someone in the industry, anything over a size 6 is slated to hell, its hysterical when you see a model with breasts because you can usually work out pretty easily its been a boob job as it doesnt take a genius to work out its extremely rare for a girl whos a size 4 or 6 to have breasts.
The BMI thing wouldnt affect the modelling agencies/fashion industries at all.
They dont care, its basically an art to them and you cant really penalise designers for having a preference even though it does send out the wrong message to certain groups. I will also add not all girls who are a size 6 or are skinny have an eating disorder or are unhealthy even if some of them do happen to be underweight on the BMI scale, ive also encountered girls who are extremely thin but shockingly had the correct BMI, my knowledge and experience of the BMI system is that doesnt really count for much in the scale of things as it doesnt take enough factors into account even though it helps in some areas, and ive also found it to be a cause of misery for alot of people who have been made to feel like shit or whatever because they dont fit on the correct place, even when they have been healthy, happy and the like.
As for the modelling agencies alot of their attitudes do disgust me, even some of the ones that have said in their defense in girls mags that they dont really hire the anorexic looking girls, yet i personally have encountered the same agencies who have said that girls who were a size 8 looked fat (which appauled me as id seen some of these so called fat girls and they looked like pretty thin size 8s to me) apparently they were looking for thinner girls. Hypocritical PR bs, saying one thing to please people debating about eating disorders, bad body image etc, then going doing and saying the opposite behind the scenes.
I had some experiences a while back with modelling agency scouts for well known agencies who had approached me themselves whilst out trying to get me to go to castings etc, and it was a rather degrading experience even talking to them without going to a casting etc and im a comfortable person when it comes to my body size etc, they analyse every inch of you. They basically wanted me because of my tiny frame (im not the correct BMI may i add) and i made it clear that as much as i was into fashion and the easy money did sound great, i wasnt that desperate since the modelling side of things did not interest me one bit and gave my reasons why, one of which being i found it extremely shallow, id rather do something more worthwhile with my life and i didnt want to be wrongly associated with having an eating disorder and encouraging that in other young girls (as too many thin girls wrongly get the blame of that), especially since so many people wrongly class all thin girls the same without realising theres a difference between natural and unnatural and that its not really their faults that they are naturally thin and that others have insecurities or their own issues.
Even though three of those agencies offered me opportunities one of them also said i may have needed to loose a few inches off my hips, i was a size 6 fucksake, the smallest size you can get in the UK even then the size 6s here sometimes arent proper size 6s which is why i shop in designer stores and i made it quite clear what i thought of that suggestion. So as much as i prefer thin models on the catwalk etc that doesnt mean i agree with or condone the way these girls are scrutinised and chosen, and it doesnt mean that im happy with the fact that there are alot of girls in the industry who are not naturally thin due to already having body image issues/eating disorders or who are made that way by force via the pressures of the industry which then has them blamed for sending out the wrong messages when in reality they are just doing a job which they get payed bloody well for.
The fashion industry can be grotesque, i admit the unfortunate fact is thin models do wear the clothes better, they are indeed better clothes horses and sell the clothes to the right buyers/stores etc. However i will always maintain theres natural or healthy looking thin, then there is unnatural or gaunt, emaciated, unhealthy thin, then you could also take the lifestyle and state of the mind of the individual to take into account. There needs to be more emphasis on the difference between healthy and unhealthy, natural and unnatural in relation to thin girls.
Ive found its usually the actual weight itself that confuses and fucks up girls more than the actual dress size when it comes to a body image eating disorder, ie how heavy they are more than how thin they are even though the two can corelate. (from my experience working with girls/patients with eatingdisorders anyways) they dont understand that you can be thin without weighing 4 stone and that you can be what is considered an average size and not be very heavy or look fat. (marilyn monroe is a good example of that, since some would consider her fat, i think i even read somewhere she would have been considered overweight for her BMI however eitherway she pulled her figure off well)
May i also add that from my experience from doing work in a clinic for eating disorders and doing my other counselling work, a big proportion of eating disorders arent really related to the thin/fat, body image issue that alot of people wrongly assume anyways, even though with the surge of celebrity mags in the last few years i have seen the cases rise in relation to body image eating disorders/issues. However it may surprise you but more with typical celeb news magazines rather than high fashion magazines. I never completely understood why until my mum started buying those mags a while back and i had a look for myself, where as fashion mags dont debate size they just show clothes, adds, makeup tips etc, fashion tips for various sizes etc, these celebrity mags have page after page of whos thin, whos fat, whos hot, whos not, then one week you have an anorexic looking celeb who is considered vile and too thin (some of these mags actually have a rating factor or a stamp for hot or not), then next week the same celeb is considered the perfect body, an icon and fabulous, then in another sister mag theyre considered vile again, and someone else who was consider vile is now hot. They go back and forth about weither a person is thin or fat that particular week or pretty or ugly, well dressed or not etc etc.
So i have found myself agreeing with the consensus that the celebrity world/celeb mags are to blame more than the fashion world/fashion mags even though they have left their mark and i can see why.
Some of the women here may have read the type of magazines im referring to, in the style of reveal, new, closer etc, who change their opinions views on whats fat or thin etc like the weather.
Someone mentioned smokers who have sued/sue for smoking related illnesses, gosh thats one thing that makes me puke, these sad bastards that cant take responsibility for their own actions. Sometimes we need to realise that when we do certain things, we choose to do them, some are more aware of all the consequences than others, but its still our decision weither we do it or not, so blaming other people and suing them is tedious. Especially if you end up with cancer etc because you decided to puff 40 a day. Ha fucking ha i say, actions have consequences, if you choose to do something thats your choice but dont blame other people for it because things caught up with you or you made a mistake. There are people who have died or are dying with illnesses no fault of their own who dont whinge or look for someone to blame when they would be more entitled too.
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A small potbelly on girls is cute.
i think so too. on other girls, though. :-\ on me i hardly think it's cute.
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Models should be of all walks and sizes and be shown as that on the run way too.
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the girl can write!
and she is usually right-on.
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Models should be of all walks and sizes and be shown as that on the run way too.
agreed 110%
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Models should be of all walks and sizes and be shown as that on the run way too.
agreed 110%
It is to bad though the modeling community don't though see it that way yet.
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In the US, the company that makes Dove soap and lotions and stuff have been using models of all shapes and sizes for their ads, and have started a fund to help girls develop healthy self-esteem. Meh - it convinced me to buy their soap.
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/
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In the US, the company that makes Dove soap and lotions and stuff have been using models of all shapes and sizes for their ads, and have started a fund to help girls develop healthy self-esteem.  Meh - it convinced me to buy their soap.
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/
I think that is a good start for sure.
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In the US, the company that makes Dove soap and lotions and stuff have been using models of all shapes and sizes for their ads, and have started a fund to help girls develop healthy self-esteem. Meh - it convinced me to buy their soap.
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/
Awesome. I loved Dove soap anyway. :laugh:
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In the US, the company that makes Dove soap and lotions and stuff have been using models of all shapes and sizes for their ads, and have started a fund to help girls develop healthy self-esteem.  Meh - it convinced me to buy their soap.
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/
Awesome. I loved Dove soap anyway. :laugh:
I might have to start using it Myself too.
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In the US, the company that makes Dove soap and lotions and stuff have been using models of all shapes and sizes for their ads, and have started a fund to help girls develop healthy self-esteem. Meh - it convinced me to buy their soap.
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/
They have that in the Uk too- I try not to be too sceptical and think its just a clever marketing ploy, since it isa good idea :)
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the women they use as models are very lovely, though.
(http://printhawk.com/journal_update/dove.gif)
vx
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they are. i especially dig the freckly.
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my favourite is the woman with silver hair, actualy - i luuuurve silver or grey hair.
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my favourite is the woman with silver hair, actualy - i luuuurve silver or grey hair.
Me too! My witches streak is finally growing. (My sister has a white streak down the front of her hair, and mine is finally growing in).
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"witch's streak"! :laugh:
yep, i have those. but then, i expect it's pretty vital, as i haven't got either the warts or the cackle.
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Forcing them is fucked up.
Encouraging them might be OK.