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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: ANTON_UBER_ALLES on July 09, 2009, 03:29:45 AM
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Why.....Oh WHY do people think and act like rape is so much worse than murder? That rape is somehow sicker than homicide...... ???
Rape is survivable, murder is obviously Not. That is why I say murder is worse than rape. :violin:
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It's because rape is survivable that it's worse. People have to live with the effects of rape. Murder simply ends a life.
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It's because rape is survivable that it's worse. People have to live with the effects of rape. Murder simply ends a life.
Ive met rape victims who managed to recover and heal emotionally from what happened to them....it is possible although its certainly not easy.
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It's because rape is survivable that it's worse. People have to live with the effects of rape. Murder simply ends a life.
I've met rape victims who managed to recover and heal emotionally from what happened to them....it is possible although its certainly not easy.
I'm not claiming it isn't. But living is alot harder than dying.
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It's because rape is survivable that it's worse. People have to live with the effects of rape. Murder simply ends a life.
I've met rape victims who managed to recover and heal emotionally from what happened to them....it is possible although its certainly not easy.
I'm not claiming it isn't. But living is alot harder than dying.
Tis true, but Ive always believed that what doesnt kill you, makes you stronger. ;)
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That's not always true.
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That's not always true.
I'm afraid it is, unless you just for some reason don't want it to.
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Getting quadriplegic in a car wreck would not leave a person stronger.
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Depends on the intent as well. Murdering someone who abused your kids and raped your wife? I would understand that and tbh, ok. Murdering someone just because you're a sick fuck? That is obviously different.
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Context changes everything.
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Getting quadriplegic in a car wreck would not leave a person stronger.
Actually mentally they would have to be much stronger than before just to make it through the day.
Get it now?
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Rape for the most part is totally sick, except when Quatermass is the victim! :lol:
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murder because once the the person is dead they most likely feel no pain..
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Rape is always sick.
Murder imo is only sometimes sick - like someone else said.. if someone killed your family, and you killed them, I wouldn't consider that sick.
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
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Rape is always sick.
Murder imo is only sometimes sick - like someone else said.. if someone killed your family, and you killed them, I wouldn't consider that sick.
Are we talking sick as in "fully sick mate!" or "Oh god I'm gonna be sick"?
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Rape is always sick.
Murder imo is only sometimes sick - like someone else said.. if someone killed your family, and you killed them, I wouldn't consider that sick.
Are we talking sick as in "fully sick mate!" or "Oh god I'm gonna be sick"?
sick as in fucked up.
Sick for cool is an australian thing, but not here. ;)
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Depends on how slow and painful the murder is.... the torture involved. Also depends on how brutal the rape is. Specifics matter more. Both can be torturous, of course.
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh:
:green:
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
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I don't agree with the death penalty.
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I don't think the hard working man of america should have to pay the bills for a bunch of criminals.
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
If the guards do it themselves they could be tried for murder, and they could also be tried for conspiracy if they mastermind it and fail to cover it up. The best option is to deny PC to violent offenders and let the other inmates take care of 'em. :lol:
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Killing someone for murder is hypocrisy in my book.
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Killing someone for murder is hypocrisy in my book.
Its still not fair. Send them to an island in the middle of the atlantic and leave them there then. I just don't want to give them my hard earned money when they've done everything BUT earn it.
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
Agreed. :indeed:
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
Might as well put up second Auschwitzes (and that is a one dodgy plural :laugh:) while we're at it. Hitler though it was perfectly okay to test shit out on humans ::)
Although a part of me does agree with what you're saying. I would mind killing my stepdad or Sophie's dad. Still, death penalty brings us down to the level of a killer or a rapist. Who cares if it's done in a technically more "humane" way than their crimes? It's still killing a human being.
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
Might as well put up second Auschwitzes (and that is a one dodgy plural :laugh:) while we're at it. Hitler though it was perfectly okay to test shit out on humans ::)
Although a part of me does agree with what you're saying. I would mind killing my stepdad or Sophie's dad. Still, death penalty brings us down to the level of a killer or a rapist. Who cares if it's done in a technically more "humane" way than their crimes? It's still killing a human being.
Hitler chose people becuase of what they were though. Not what they'd done. They had no choice. Child abusers and serial killers forfeit their rights when they do whatever it is they do imo.
Also killing isn't really that bad. It's over pretty quickly if done right, and then nothing. Killing a human being isn't the worst thing people can do by far
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
Agreed. :indeed:
Didn't you just write you don't want your taxes going to funding prisoners and you'd rather them be put to death? Now, a post later and you change your mind. You rather your tax money going to funding the prisoner life in prison and paying for human testing? Which is it?
Bint I'm in love with you
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
Agreed. :indeed:
Didn't you just write you don't want your taxes going to funding prisoners and you'd rather them be put to death? Now, a post later and you change your mind. You rather your tax money going to funding the prisoner life in prison and paying for human testing? Which is it?
Bint I'm in love with you
Well most of the testing kills the subject. Its not about them dying anyway. Its about them absorbing money and not doing anything to earn it.
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I support the death penalty in cases where it's 100% certain they're guilty. Why fuck around spending money on looking after them for the rest of their lives when there are more important things to spend money on?
tbh I think the best thing would be to test things on them.
People are always moaning about how we have to test things on animals. Well solve two problems at once - plenty of human guinea pigs to use, while saving the innocent monkeys and rats. It'd give more accurate results as well - we're more genetically similar to Ian Huntley or Ted Bundy than to a rat (unfortunately)
Agreed. :indeed:
Didn't you just write you don't want your taxes going to funding prisoners and you'd rather them be put to death? Now, a post later and you change your mind. You rather your tax money going to funding the prisoner life in prison and paying for human testing? Which is it?
Bint I'm in love with you
Well most of the testing kills the subject. Its not about them dying anyway. Its about them absorbing money and not doing anything to earn it.
Yeah that's pretty much how I see it too
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
Perhaps they could tone down the drug laws and there would be less prisoners. I mean clearly they aren't working out too well. Going to jail for possesion doesn't seem to be the deterrent it cracked up to be.
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
Perhaps they could tone down the drug laws and there would be less prisoners. I mean clearly they aren't working out too well. Going to jail for possesion doesn't seem to be the deterrent it cracked up to be.
:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
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:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The MOST cost effective way to deal with murderers is to have them killed by other inmates! :indeed:
Like Jeffrey Dahmer for example; if he had been given a death sentence he would Still be alive today in solitary confinement writing his memoirs. Instead he got a life sentence and another inmate took care of him. 8)
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:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The MOST cost effective way to deal with murderers is to have them killed by other inmates! :indeed:
Like Jeffrey Dahmer for example; if he had been given a death sentence he would Still be alive today in solitary confinement writing his memoirs. Instead he got a life sentence and another inmate took care of him. 8)
I am against the death penalty but like I said caught in the act you get what you deserve. As far as people like Jeffrey Dahmer he should have been in a mental hospital instead of prison and been the focus of intense study on what the fuck went wrong with him and how can we stop it in other people the rest of his life.
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:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The MOST cost effective way to deal with murderers is to have them killed by other inmates! :indeed:
Like Jeffrey Dahmer for example; if he had been given a death sentence he would Still be alive today in solitary confinement writing his memoirs. Instead he got a life sentence and another inmate took care of him. 8)
I am against the death penalty but like I said caught in the act you get what you deserve. As far as people like Jeffrey Dahmer he should have been in a mental hospital instead of prison and been the focus of intense study on what the fuck went wrong with him and how can we stop it in other people the rest of his life.
Sounds to me like you feel sorry for him a little bit, I personally Do Not. I think it would be far more fruitful to literally pick apart Dahmers post-mortem brain than allow him to live in a mental hospital. What happened to Jeffrey Dahmer was nothing short of poetic justice. :indeed:
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
Perhaps they could tone down the drug laws and there would be less prisoners. I mean clearly they aren't working out too well. Going to jail for possesion doesn't seem to be the deterrent it cracked up to be.
:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The main reason that it costs so much to execute prisoners is the endless appeals by the sob sisters that can't bear the thought of people like Richard Allen Davis and Tookie Williams getting their just desserts. I find the use of that particular argument by the antis to be quite disingenuous given that they deliberately preserve the lives of the likes of Robert Alton Harris et al to the best of their ability.
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I'd prefer rape to murder. The victims are reusable.
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I'd prefer rape to murder. The victims are reusable.
It isn't rape if they are already dead.
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
Perhaps they could tone down the drug laws and there would be less prisoners. I mean clearly they aren't working out too well. Going to jail for possesion doesn't seem to be the deterrent it cracked up to be.
:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The main reason that it costs so much to execute prisoners is the endless appeals by the sob sisters that can't bear the thought of people like Richard Allen Davis and Tookie Williams getting their just desserts. I find the use of that particular argument by the antis to be quite disingenuous given that they deliberately preserve the lives of the likes of Robert Alton Harris et al to the best of their ability.
It doesn't help that we have to make their executions so fucking complicated. Electric chair, lethal injection? Fuck that. If they're guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, then why not just shoot them, and get it over with? I feel like Seth Green's character in the Austin Powers movie when Dr. Evil just couldn't kill Powers right there and then.
Scott Evil: I have a gun, in my room, you give me five seconds, I'll get it, I'll come back down here, BOOM, I'll blow their brains out!
Why can't people make things this simple?
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
Perhaps they could tone down the drug laws and there would be less prisoners. I mean clearly they aren't working out too well. Going to jail for possesion doesn't seem to be the deterrent it cracked up to be.
:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The main reason that it costs so much to execute prisoners is the endless appeals by the sob sisters that can't bear the thought of people like Richard Allen Davis and Tookie Williams getting their just desserts. I find the use of that particular argument by the antis to be quite disingenuous given that they deliberately preserve the lives of the likes of Robert Alton Harris et al to the best of their ability.
It doesn't help that we have to make their executions so fucking complicated. Electric chair, lethal injection? Fuck that. If they're guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, then why not just shoot them, and get it over with? I feel like Seth Green's character in the Austin Powers movie when Dr. Evil just couldn't kill Powers right there and then.
Scott Evil: I have a gun, in my room, you give me five seconds, I'll get it, I'll come back down here, BOOM, I'll blow their brains out!
Why can't people make things this simple?
I think that the reason for so many appeals is that sometimes we convict innocent people.
I think that Utah may still have the firing squad as a method of execution, though.
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The only difference between the two for me is what I'll do to the person who tries to make me a victim in either incident.
Murder: Unless the person is armed or using an incendiary device, they die. Unfortunately, I'll be too afraid to make it slow, but I will...end...them.
Rape: Same result except I will be angry enough to get creative.
My hatred of rapists is probably irrational, but I can't help it. I hate being touched without my permission, and for someone to force themselves on another person like that, is the greatest torture I can imagine(other than watching loved ones be hurt/killed). Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a control freak.
In all honesty, your hatred of rapists is PERFECTLY Rational! They are a serious threat to your saftey, your emotional well being, and your genetic self-interest.
So tell me SorceressPol, do rapists deserved to get raped in prison? I say hell yes
Either caught in the act deserve what they get :litigious:
The existence of Prison Rape is one of the reasons why Im actually NOT much of a supporter of the death penalty except in certain extreme cases. Life w/out parole(and PC) as Bubba's Bitch most definitely IS a fate worse than Death! :evillaugh: :green:
In a way, I agree with you. I think they should actually kill a lot more prisoners though in order to reduce pressure on the tax paying citizen.
Perhaps they could tone down the drug laws and there would be less prisoners. I mean clearly they aren't working out too well. Going to jail for possesion doesn't seem to be the deterrent it cracked up to be.
:agreed:
Executing prisoners does not really save money. It costs substantially more to execute a prisoner than it costs to let him live the rest of his life in prison. Also, what should be done if an innocent person is convicted of a crime and executed?
The main reason that it costs so much to execute prisoners is the endless appeals by the sob sisters that can't bear the thought of people like Richard Allen Davis and Tookie Williams getting their just desserts. I find the use of that particular argument by the antis to be quite disingenuous given that they deliberately preserve the lives of the likes of Robert Alton Harris et al to the best of their ability.
It doesn't help that we have to make their executions so fucking complicated. Electric chair, lethal injection? Fuck that. If they're guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, then why not just shoot them, and get it over with? I feel like Seth Green's character in the Austin Powers movie when Dr. Evil just couldn't kill Powers right there and then.
Scott Evil: I have a gun, in my room, you give me five seconds, I'll get it, I'll come back down here, BOOM, I'll blow their brains out!
Why can't people make things this simple?
I think that the reason for so many appeals is that sometimes we convict innocent people.
I think that Utah may still have the firing squad as a method of execution, though.
Fuck the firing squad. I think that if someone is guilty of a rape, child molesting or any kind of a crime like that..
The judge should be armed and shoot the criminal in the head on the spot. No sending them to prison and griefing the taxpaying people. Just take care of the criminal right away for the price of a bullet.
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I think that the reason for so many appeals is that sometimes we convict innocent people.
Except the last minute appeals for Robert Alton Harris were about alledged Fetal Alcohol Syndrome which was easily disprovable in his case and Tookie's final appeals were about how writing a childrens book made what he did okay enough to spare his life. The last hour appeals for those two as well as the appeals for William Bonin ended up being about everything except their guilt, Gary Gilmore and Dodd both freely admitted their guilt prior to execution and had to appear in court to urge Judges to disregard Amicus Curae Briefs by third parties opposed to their executions just because they oppose all executions.
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If it's obvious that they're guilty (dna, cctv etc) then I can't think how it could possibly be more expensive. I mean I understand that it can be for the reasons PPK stated, but if it was done properly, who could it be? If they're definitely guilty, there's no need for an appeal, just shoot the bastard or strap them in and inject them. That would definitely cost a lot less than another 50/60 years worth of looking after them
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They are still human beings though. Obviously they are fucked in the head otherwise they wouldn't commit those crimes but must we stoop down to their level?
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They are still human beings though. Obviously they are fucked in the head otherwise they wouldn't commit those crimes but must we stoop down to their level?
The fact is that they are evil, and will bring nothng to society. Think of it like a ban if you will. ;)
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They are still human beings though. Obviously they are fucked in the head otherwise they wouldn't commit those crimes but must we stoop down to their level?
The fact is that they are evil, and will bring nothng to society. Think of it like a ban if you will. ;)
I don't think there is such a thing as an evil person. Isolate them from society or make them do labour. Also, a ban doesn't kill a person it's just blocks them from a forum/chatroom the internet so that's a pretty shite allegory.
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I don't see it as stooping down to their level, as their crimes are against innocent people. They give up any rights they had when they chose to rape/abuse/murder
If it was cheap and easy to let them live, then sure. But I don't see why tax payers' money should be spent on child abusers and serial killers
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It is stooping down to their level because at least they have the excuse of being fucked while we are doing the same to them with the clear knowledge of what's right and wrong. Also, think of the fact that each criminal has different circumstances leading up to their crime(s). Not all of them just choose to do away with someone or rape their brains out out of a mere fancy although I don't deny there are people like that.
Tax-payers money will always be wasted, prisons or no prisons. Just look at the latest expenses scandal.
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I don't think all rapists/murderers deserve the death sentence.
But what about someone who repeatedly abused, raped and then murdered children, because they were a paedophile and then needed to get rid of the evidence, so just killed them.
If we can definitely prove they're guilty, I would have no problem with them being killed
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I'd have them rot in the worst prison for the rest of their life, killing them would be doing them a favour really. They would probably end up being killed by other prisoners anyway.
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I don't see it as stooping down to their level, as their crimes are against innocent people. They give up any rights they had when they chose to rape/abuse/murder
If it was cheap and easy to let them live, then sure. But I don't see why tax payers' money should be spent on child abusers and serial killers
Gus the reason I agree with Soph about this is because I am willing to go out on a limb and state that I believe there is a huge qualitive difference between a scumbag like Richard Allen Davis and Polly Klaas the 12 year old girl that he kidnapped, raped and murdered. I do not see any moral equivalence between his actions of doing the sadistic shit he did to cop a nut at the cost of her life and desiring to see that evil POS die to pay for what he did to her. These people are not fixable, Edmund Kemper murdered his grandparents at 15 years old and was released at 21 and committed 8 more murders including his own mother who he beheaded. Arthur Shawcross murdered two children and got a 25 year sentence in a plea bargain and was released after serving only 16 years because he was deemed all better, he then committed another string of murders. John Douglas and Park Dietz both used to work in the FBIs profiling unit and subscribe to the theory that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I agree with that assessment and don't see any reason to gamble with the safety of the public at large to test yet another way to rehabilitate proven predators. And life in prison all too often does not mean life in prison.
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Doesn't this show though that their urge to kill is uncontrollable and something they can't really help? I agree, life doesn't always mean life nowadays so perhaps that is what we should be trying to change as opposed to self-righteously sticking a bullet into a criminal's head and claiming the job as done.
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I can't see how they can ever decide to release someone who's previously murdered or abused children. How can you take that kind of risk with children? As it stands, you can't trust the idiots not to release these kinds of people for "good behaviour" or some other shite like that. So I would only feel better about scum like that once they are rotting.
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Doesn't this show though that their urge to kill is uncontrollable and something they can't really help? I agree, life doesn't always mean life nowadays so perhaps that is what we should be trying to change as opposed to self-righteously sticking a bullet into a criminal's head and claiming the job as done.
Yeah it pisses me off when some shithole gets a "life" sentence of a few years or something. Fuck that. Some people you just CANNOT risk unleashing on society again.
I still don't see why we should bother paying for their existence though, when we could just get rid of them.
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Doesn't this show though that their urge to kill is uncontrollable and something they can't really help? I agree, life doesn't always mean life nowadays so perhaps that is what we should be trying to change as opposed to self-righteously sticking a bullet into a criminal's head and claiming the job as done.
Yeah it pisses me off when some shithole gets a "life" sentence of a few years or something. Fuck that. Some people you just CANNOT risk unleashing on society again.
I still don't see why we should bother paying for their existence though, when we could just get rid of them.
Who are we to judge how much someone's existance is worth? ;) It is not up to people to decide whether somebody deserves to live or not.
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Doesn't this show though that their urge to kill is uncontrollable and something they can't really help? I agree, life doesn't always mean life nowadays so perhaps that is what we should be trying to change as opposed to self-righteously sticking a bullet into a criminal's head and claiming the job as done.
Actually the sob sisters in California are working on both ends of this discussion. The Death Penalty is wrong according to National Lawyers Guild, ACLU etc, and they take serious issue with the Citizens of California voting in the Three Strikes Initiative to prevent their misunderstood clients from having yet another crack at behaving nice.
Who are we to judge how much someone's existance is worth? ;) It is not up to people to decide whether somebody deserves to live or not.
Under that reasoning who are we to deprive psychopaths of their liberty just because we don't like how they get their kicks?
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Doesn't this show though that their urge to kill is uncontrollable and something they can't really help? I agree, life doesn't always mean life nowadays so perhaps that is what we should be trying to change as opposed to self-righteously sticking a bullet into a criminal's head and claiming the job as done.
Yeah it pisses me off when some shithole gets a "life" sentence of a few years or something. Fuck that. Some people you just CANNOT risk unleashing on society again.
I still don't see why we should bother paying for their existence though, when we could just get rid of them.
Who are we to judge how much someone's existance is worth? ;) It is not up to people to decide whether somebody deserves to live or not.
Murdering child abusers are not worth wasting a penny on. Put that money into the NHS or the fucked up education system instead.
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Depriving them of liberty is at least not as hypocritical as murdering them FOR murder. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-criminal or anything like that and would probably be the first one grabbing for the gun if I do find out that my goddaughter is being abused but I just think we shouldn't be so quick to judge each criminal. Especially if the judgement could result in the ending of their life. We each, technically, have the same worth as any other human being.
The NHS and the education system is already getting heaps of moeny which doesn't make it any less shite. I doubt a million here or there is really gonna make such a difference since these fuckers have no idea how to distribute it well.
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We each, technically, have the same worth as any other human being.
Technically yes, we're all worth nothing
But really a child abuser is worth less than nothing
Why should we pay for the consequences of their actions, when we could just get rid of them. They'd know what the risks were when they went out and did it
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We each, technically, have the same worth as any other human being.
Technically yes, we're all worth nothing
But really a child abuser is worth less than nothing
Why should we pay for the consequences of their actions, when we could just get rid of them. They'd know what the risks were when they went out and did it
That's a generalisation plus we don't know what their state of mind was like just before they committed the crime. Say I was gonna snap one day, stick a knife into the stepdad, cut him into little chunks and set those alight - I know the risks of such an action and the punishment. Doesn't mean it would stop me, probably.
A child abuser is generally an abuser due to causes out of his control, whether it's eviromental or genetical. Heh, this conversation will probably get me a lot of shit now.
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We each, technically, have the same worth as any other human being.
Technically yes, we're all worth nothing
But really a child abuser is worth less than nothing
Why should we pay for the consequences of their actions, when we could just get rid of them. They'd know what the risks were when they went out and did it
I think that the life of someone who is proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt of child rape and murder isn't worth a lot, and I would absolutely hate for such a person ever to be freed from prison, but I'm concerned about the number of convicted people who have been freed with DNA evidence through the Innocence Project.
If a person gets life in prison and is later proven to be innocent, he can be released from prison, but he can't be brought back to life after he has been executed.
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I would also be concerned about innocent people getting it
I'd have no problem with someone who's obviously guilty being killed though
We each, technically, have the same worth as any other human being.
Technically yes, we're all worth nothing
But really a child abuser is worth less than nothing
Why should we pay for the consequences of their actions, when we could just get rid of them. They'd know what the risks were when they went out and did it
That's a generalisation plus we don't know what their state of mind was like just before they committed the crime. Say I was gonna snap one day, stick a knife into the stepdad, cut him into little chunks and set those alight - I know the risks of such an action and the punishment. Doesn't mean it would stop me, probably.
A child abuser is generally an abuser due to causes out of his control, whether it's eviromental or genetical. Heh, this conversation will probably get me a lot of shit now.
I wouldn't say you should be executed for that murder though. I'm thinking more of serial killers and real bastards like child killers, torturing scumbags etc
People do have control over their actions though. I'd like to punch a lot of people in the face, but I don't. I know you can say free will dosn't really exist or that they're obviously insane, but then you could say that to justify anything.
Bank robbers are acting based on causes that are out of their control so let him get away with it. Hadron can't be arsed doing his work because his laziness is out of his contol, but give him a first anyway becuase it's not his fault.
We all have to take responsibility for our actions, whether we're fucked in the head or not.
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I guess those who are so fucked in the head they have no control over their actions are pretty much screwed when it comes to life :laugh:
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I agree with Bint- setting aside any group of human beings as being subhuman and worthy of execution/torture/etc. is a slippery slope. And like callaway is pointing out, proving guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" isn't actually all that common.
I agree that rapists and child abusers are a sickening lot. Prison isn't a fun place to be for anyone, and especially not for pedophiles.
If we want to get into the 'save money by having less prisoners in prison' debate, how about we start by legalizing, taxing and regulating all drugs that are currently illicit (but are widely used ANYWAY). It's perhaps a tangential topic but a more more practical one in terms of improving society as well as saving money. Prisons should, IMO, be for people who have violated the safety and rights of others, such as rapists and murderers.
As for the rape vs. murder argument, I was talking about this a week or so ago, oddly enough. My opinion is that both are evil, horrible things, but one irrevocably ends a life, while the other does not. Don't underestimate the resiliency of the human spirit. People can heal and recover from being raped, although it is, I would assume, usually a long and painful process. You can't recover from being murdered. I think it's also a little fucked up that there's an implicit message in the "rape is worse than murder" argument that most rape victims would be better off dead.
I guess those who are so fucked in the head they have no control over their actions are pretty much screwed when it comes to life :laugh:
True.
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I agree with Bint- setting aside any group of human beings as being subhuman and worthy of execution/torture/etc. is a slippery slope. And like callaway is pointing out, proving guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" isn't actually all that common.
The standard instructions given to people on Jury Duty is not "Beyond a shadow of a doubt", it is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that I approve of POS Richard Allen Davis being executed, should that actually happen, is not likely to make me start approving of school shooters or killing NTs in the Lit/Hadron manner.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)
So, Elle, Bint, Callaway or whomever, in this specific case only, where is the reasonable doubt? A long history of brutal crimes, his palm print in Polly Klaas' bedroom, a confession and he lead Police to where he hid her body. The amount of coincidence, conspiracy or bad luck that would have this specific individual look this guilty for this kidnap and murder of Polly Klaas while not having done it is entirely unreasonable for me to believe. I don't feel like I am at all out of line for considering Richard Allen Davis to be scum of the earth.
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I agree with Bint- setting aside any group of human beings as being subhuman and worthy of execution/torture/etc. is a slippery slope. And like callaway is pointing out, proving guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" isn't actually all that common.
The standard instructions given to people on Jury Duty is not "Beyond a shadow of a doubt", it is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that I approve of POS Richard Allen Davis being executed, should that actually happen, is not likely to make me start approving of school shooters or killing NTs in the Lit/Hadron manner.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)
So, Elle, Bint, Callaway or whomever, in this specific case only, where is the reasonable doubt? A long history of brutal crimes, his palm print in Polly Klaas' bedroom, a confession and he lead Police to where he hid her body. The amount of coincidence, conspiracy or bad luck that would have this specific individual look this guilty for this kidnap and murder of Polly Klaas while not having done it is entirely unreasonable for me to believe. I don't feel like I am at all out of line for considering Richard Allen Davis to be scum of the earth.
But he will have more of a punishment during decades in prison. Death penalty only hurts for a couple of seconds or minutes at most.
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I don't think anyone is subhuman. I just think some scumbags aren't worth spending money on keeping alive for years, when you could just have done with it and exterminate them.
I don't get why people make such a big deal out of killing something just because it's human. It reminds me of the anti-abortion retards who think that just because something is technically human, that means it's somehow sacred or way too important to kill.
Since when did simply being human mean anything? We treat each other like shit all the time. I would put the life of a gorilla or a cat a million miles above the life of a child abuser.
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I agree with Bint- setting aside any group of human beings as being subhuman and worthy of execution/torture/etc. is a slippery slope. And like callaway is pointing out, proving guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" isn't actually all that common.
The standard instructions given to people on Jury Duty is not "Beyond a shadow of a doubt", it is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that I approve of POS Richard Allen Davis being executed, should that actually happen, is not likely to make me start approving of school shooters or killing NTs in the Lit/Hadron manner.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)
So, Elle, Bint, Callaway or whomever, in this specific case only, where is the reasonable doubt? A long history of brutal crimes, his palm print in Polly Klaas' bedroom, a confession and he lead Police to where he hid her body. The amount of coincidence, conspiracy or bad luck that would have this specific individual look this guilty for this kidnap and murder of Polly Klaas while not having done it is entirely unreasonable for me to believe. I don't feel like I am at all out of line for considering Richard Allen Davis to be scum of the earth.
But he will have more of a punishment during decades in prison. Death penalty only hurts for a couple of seconds or minutes at most.
If that perception is correct then why is it that on the one hand you have Gary Gilmore, Westley Allan Dodd and Timothy McVeigh are the only Death Row inmates that I know of ( you might find one more if you look real hard ) to have dropped all appeals and actively lobby for execution. Apparently everyone else on Death Row disagrees with you enough Lit to file one appeal after another to stave off the Grim Reaper. This statement pertains to Death Row inmates in the USA since the restoration of the Death Penalty in 1976.
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I agree with Bint- setting aside any group of human beings as being subhuman and worthy of execution/torture/etc. is a slippery slope. And like callaway is pointing out, proving guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" isn't actually all that common.
The standard instructions given to people on Jury Duty is not "Beyond a shadow of a doubt", it is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that I approve of POS Richard Allen Davis being executed, should that actually happen, is not likely to make me start approving of school shooters or killing NTs in the Lit/Hadron manner.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)
So, Elle, Bint, Callaway or whomever, in this specific case only, where is the reasonable doubt? A long history of brutal crimes, his palm print in Polly Klaas' bedroom, a confession and he lead Police to where he hid her body. The amount of coincidence, conspiracy or bad luck that would have this specific individual look this guilty for this kidnap and murder of Polly Klaas while not having done it is entirely unreasonable for me to believe. I don't feel like I am at all out of line for considering Richard Allen Davis to be scum of the earth.
But he will have more of a punishment during decades in prison. Death penalty only hurts for a couple of seconds or minutes at most.
If that perception is correct then why is it that on the one hand you have Gary Gilmore, Westley Allan Dodd and Timothy McVeigh are the only Death Row inmates that I know of ( you might find one more if you look real hard ) to have dropped all appeals and actively lobby for execution. Apparently everyone else on Death Row disagrees with you enough Lit to file one appeal after another to stave off the Grim Reaper. This statement pertains to Death Row inmates in the USA since the restoration of the Death Penalty in 1976.
Well, most people probably want to live at any cost, even if it means 50 years in a hell hole. I know for sure I wouldn't.
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That's the point I'm getting at, those that have the choice to live in Prison or die by execution seem to perceive Life(?) in Prison as preferable to the Death Penalty. For the sob sisters even putting someone away on three strikes is too much. Apparently the Richard Allen Davis' who haven't committed murder yet deserve anoither chance even if it puts the public at risk. :grrr:
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That's the point I'm getting at, those that have the choice to live in Prison or die by execution seem to perceive Life(?) in Prison as preferable to the Death Penalty. For the sob sisters even putting someone away on three strikes is too much. Apparently the Richard Allen Davis' who haven't committed murder yet deserve anoither chance even if it puts the public at risk. :grrr:
But it's still better than in Sweden. The Supreme Court here has decided that the "standard" punishment for murder should be 10 years, which in reality is 6 years 8 months, if the prisoner behaves.
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Well that certainly shows a lot of consideration for the poor misunderstood murderer. :thumbdn:
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Well that certainly shows a lot of consideration for the poor misunderstood murderer. :thumbdn:
It also depends on who you murder, of course. If you murder a cop or a politician, you'll still get lifetime, which in reality can be at least 20-25 years. Sweden equal, my ass. ::)
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Equal Protection Under The Law huh Lit?
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Equal Protection Under The Law huh Lit?
Yup, damn right. :thumbdn: