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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #120 on: September 05, 2008, 09:32:11 AM »
In AFF's case, even though they were a group who would slap down people who didn't toe the line, some exceptions had to be made. As with Trish. She had made trouble with people on that site, such as Woman From Mars, Tigger, Max The Bear, as well as other. She also fucked it up for Mark Winter at Asperger Info by telling others to STFU if they didn't agree with her, and she'd threaten people by PM. She'd also set others against each other by starting fights and saying 'what, moi?', Then she'd deny anything of the sort. That is her way when she doesn't get what she wants, so Sir Les and anyone else who disagrees with her is bound to cop shit from her.

Um... but you just said the Internet wasn't real. So if the medium is not real, how can all that be real. I do not think it is necessarilly delusion, but you, TCO, keeps stating that you do - and yet you get so very upset about it all ::)

Despite the high IQ you believe you have, that thinking thing you try on occasion, don't do it. You really aren't that good at it and you embarass youself
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

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Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #121 on: September 05, 2008, 09:39:12 AM »
I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic.  :-*

You're just crippled with envy :eyebrows:

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #122 on: September 05, 2008, 09:46:39 AM »
You really do need to get life chosen.  There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.

He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:

I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic.  :-*

Not meaning to derail the love in going on here.  But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF??   ???

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #123 on: September 05, 2008, 10:22:15 AM »
Near as I can say Amy did an Amy. Was called to rights and asked to explain herself and apologise and did not like it. She tried getting authoritarian about it and in the intervening discussion in which a couple of posters disagreed actively against her, she tried every responsibility dodge for her actions before accusing them of bullying and banning about 7 members. approx 60 more have walked out in disgust and set up another forum and she has locked down the forum and is in the process of "editing" posts and deleting posts to re-write history.

Another year or two it will be like no-one joining will know there are bodies in the backyard but the year old plants flourish well in certain parts of the garden  ;D

That is provided that there is enough activity to sustain AFF.

I think they will be OK.
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #124 on: September 05, 2008, 11:54:41 AM »
Near as I can say Amy did an Amy. Was called to rights and asked to explain herself and apologise and did not like it. She tried getting authoritarian about it and in the intervening discussion in which a couple of posters disagreed actively against her, she tried every responsibility dodge for her actions before accusing them of bullying and banning about 7 members. approx 60 more have walked out in disgust and set up another forum and she has locked down the forum and is in the process of "editing" posts and deleting posts to re-write history.

Another year or two it will be like no-one joining will know there are bodies in the backyard but the year old plants flourish well in certain parts of the garden  ;D

That is provided that there is enough activity to sustain AFF.

I think they will be OK.

My, my, I wonder what they thought of my "Goodbye AFF thread?  Oh well, I talked to my daughter about AFF and she is just NOT interested in going there.   Like me, she's at a point where she has numerous other interests and AS forums don't fill a need for her.

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #125 on: September 05, 2008, 03:43:56 PM »
Near as I can say Amy did an Amy. Was called to rights and asked to explain herself and apologise and did not like it. She tried getting authoritarian about it and in the intervening discussion in which a couple of posters disagreed actively against her, she tried every responsibility dodge for her actions before accusing them of bullying and banning about 7 members. approx 60 more have walked out in disgust and set up another forum and she has locked down the forum and is in the process of "editing" posts and deleting posts to re-write history.



You are so full of bullshit and exaggeration les :thumbdn:

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #126 on: September 05, 2008, 03:47:41 PM »
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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #127 on: September 05, 2008, 04:12:27 PM »
You really do need to get life chosen.  There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.

He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:

I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic.  :-*

Not meaning to derail the love in going on here.  But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF??   ???

Amy was always a force on that forum, but most of her work went on behind the scenes. AFF was set up with good intentions.
A mob have held quite powerful influence on AFF for too long.

The mob didn't like it when Amy banned one of their members for 48 hours. This lead to the mob bullying the admin. and working against the interests of forum, (but of course they continued to use the AFF forum while they did this  ::)).

Les had been PMing other members to leave AFF and go to another forum started by evilzakkie. Amy banned 3 of the ringleaders max, les and Pika.  About 10 people, left to go to the other forum, not 60 as stated by Les.

You portray Sir Les very well rossco. Sir Les Patterson, alterego of Dame Edna was as much a slimeball as you are.

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #128 on: September 05, 2008, 05:02:19 PM »
You really do need to get life chosen.  There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.

He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:

I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic.  :-*

Not meaning to derail the love in going on here.  But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF??   ???

Amy was always a force on that forum, but most of her work went on behind the scenes. AFF was set up with good intentions.
A mob have held quite powerful influence on AFF for too long.

The mob didn't like it when Amy banned one of their members for 48 hours. This lead to the mob bullying the admin. and working against the interests of forum, (but of course they continued to use the AFF forum while they did this  ::)).

Les had been PMing other members to leave AFF and go to another forum started by evilzakkie. Amy banned 3 of the ringleaders max, les and Pika.  About 10 people, left to go to the other forum, not 60 as stated by Les.

You portray Sir Les very well rossco. Sir Les Patterson, alterego of Dame Edna was as much a slimeball as you are.



Just so we understand each other...I have nothing but, good feelings towards Amy and Gareth, though I may have my issues with some of their viewpoints.  I, in no way advocate any harm to the site.  I am neutral!  And I still see evilzakkie as a member in full standing there.  So whatever is happening, did not influence my saying good bye on AFF.   Many people I consider friends from that and other old time sites, have left AFF and never returned.  My reasons for leaving there are clear and concise and mine and mine alone.

This is my opinion on each and every site out there.  And AFF is as good an example as I can come up with.  AFF BELONGS and is the PROPERTY of Amy and Gareth, pure and simple, it's not a democracy nor a constitutional monarchy.  Anybody who goes there has to realize, that when you enter someone else's "property" you , must abide by THEIR rules and wishes.  I don't always agree with those rules and wishes, BUT, it is my choice to enter or NOT to enter, or for that matter to leave.  Amy and Gareth have been fair to me and my daughter, but, somethings there I can't agree with or no longer feel that it is a place for me and her  to hang around in.  No animosity or ill feeling is part of my decision.

Aspiechaos belongs to calandale, if I were to go there, the same thought applies.  WP belongs to Alex, ditto, TheNeurolands belongs to the Neuroman, etc, etc, etc.

I seem to be friends with people on both sides of the issues, why I don't know and I don't care.  I simply am.  I like TCO, Sir_Les, Nocturnalist, Amy, CouldbeCousin, and many others who seem to be on polarizing opposite sides of issues.    So, I'll just sit here and watch the drama unfold and form my own opinions and do what I feel needs to be done. 

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #129 on: September 05, 2008, 06:13:26 PM »
You really do need to get life chosen.  There must be better things to do than sit here all day making nasty comments.

He likes to toss the salad of cyberspace :lol:

I am glad you two have reunited. It is a love story for the ages....."Nocti & Bob - When Ass meets Fist". Oh I am such a romantic.  :-*

Not meaning to derail the love in going on here.  But, Sir_Les, what happened over at AFF??   ???

Amy was always a force on that forum, but most of her work went on behind the scenes. AFF was set up with good intentions.
A mob have held quite powerful influence on AFF for too long.

The mob didn't like it when Amy banned one of their members for 48 hours. This lead to the mob bullying the admin. and working against the interests of forum, (but of course they continued to use the AFF forum while they did this  ::)).

Les had been PMing other members to leave AFF and go to another forum started by evilzakkie. Amy banned 3 of the ringleaders max, les and Pika.  About 10 people, left to go to the other forum, not 60 as stated by Les.

You portray Sir Les very well rossco. Sir Les Patterson, alterego of Dame Edna was as much a slimeball as you are.



Actually that is not correct either Lucie.Are you making this up as you go? You were banned well before I.

Who was banned? Well me, Max, Korrigan, PikaJedi, Bardwolf, MicGrace and EvilZakkie (I haven't really kept up with it too well. There maybe more)

Amy had not been behind the scenes, Amy was raising a baby and devoted what little time she had to spare to litesims.com. Gareth on the other hand was almost completely involved in the litesims project and admitted this.

Many trolls in the meantime latched onto this loose moderation (as the main power of moderation was with the Admins - Gareth and Amy) and little with the mods. You will know this is true Bob, you were one of them. You were eventually banned for it so take a bow. You were also probably the most hated person who ever came to that site.

We became self-governing and had to form our own values, culture and means of governing outside of the tradition Admin functions.

Gareth came back and even though I bumped heads a few times over things I still believed he was a decent man and he did seek to do the right thing bye the members and the forum. He came back and started making contact with the forum and getting involved again. He gave CBC and EvilZakkie Admin status.

Evil Zakkie set up the back up forum on one of a spate of my downtimes at AFF over a short period in time. Basically it was to keep the community together. I thin by the time a week or two later that AFF was up the forum had about 30 members. It was kept in case the AFF went down again.

Basically Amy rejoined the forum and presented herself as agitated School Mistress with a big stick wanting to patronise or punish those around and made references to bullying (nothing specific but allusion nonetheless). It was "generally"ignored. A couple of us did get a warning after she swore at a member and Caps locks half her reply. (It was me she was shouting at)
The thread was where she basically said AA was bullshit and a member who was wanting to give up drinking and go to AA took this advise and left the thread. Others had experience direct or otherwise with alcoholism and/or AA.

Amy was not prepared to put her hand up and apologise. She was happy banning a member over fuck all. She was prepared to snipe, delete posts, edit posts and being in general a righteous, arrogant despot. I called her to rights. Everything I though she did or said wrong I called her on and she was incensed by it instead of taking any responsibility for it. It became everyone else's problem. Whilst I was doing this other incensed members were doing things like posting gagged avatars in protest of her unreasonable and out of control censorship and history re-writing. She banned a little 15 yr old member and many members walked out. I came home from work saw the member was banned and no one on the board during prime time and not knowing what had happen had thought they had left in disgust or being banned (It was a staged 48 hr walk out). I took issue with her and Gareth. They accused me in turn on spamming everyone with PM's telling them to leave. I had nothing to hide (In fact I was told about an hour before my banning by a member on site - but I had figured I had missed the boat and that it was too late.) I advised them to take a stickybeak themselves. They said it was physically impossible which I disbelieve. I then offered to forward all the PM's I had sent in the last week. Again their foundation of belief tested, they banned me and thus my access to prove on way or another and made that the official reason.

Pretty piss weak all in all but whatever they were hoping, the other forum has pretty much all the actively involved posters (about 70) and AFF has locked its doors. Would have been eassy and advised God only knows how many times for them just to say, "Sorry brainfart, we were a little out of line. Tis is what we are wanting, envisage, hope for this site, we have lost track of what this site has evolved into, I want you guys to help us get there. Who is in?" I would have backed them.

Not of course wishing to say that you have any reason to be biased as to what occured there and not that you were even on board whilst this happened, hey "BOB". (BiB - LOL)
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #130 on: September 05, 2008, 06:18:46 PM »
So what and where is this new forum??

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #131 on: September 05, 2008, 06:49:16 PM »
Bob: shove a tampon back in, you're bleeding all over the forum as usual. Stinks like your usual flow as well.

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #132 on: September 05, 2008, 07:10:34 PM »
I think that AFF is messed up because of Gareth and Amy.  Just look at what they have done lately.

I read this announcement there:

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The forum is now temporarily locked and archived. To those who created this situation and wanted to cause so much trouble: well done, you've won. Those who did not want this, we'll leave this mess alone for a while and hopefully things will not persist like this.


Apparently if you don't kowtow to Gareth and Amy, they ban you.

If people become upset with them after a big banning spree, they pack up their marbles and go home.  I guess that it is their forum so they get to choose to do that.



I'm going to agree with you there. They seem to ban people for no reason. Amy posted a thread about rules, someone pointed out to her she broke one of her own rules and she took it as an attack and banned that person.
EvilZakkie made his own forum as a back up for AFF when it was down and Amy saw it and took it as he was plotting against them or a scheme as Joker tells it.
Also they allowed bullying there and they seem to have a weird view on bullying. If you tell other members they owe someone an apology or they need to apologize, they view that as bullying. Also the fact if you create you own forum, they see that as bullying. I saw what happened with EZ.
They even had a problem with Timelord creating his site and use the same name as theirs except it was called real aspies for freedom.

That's my point of view.

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #133 on: September 05, 2008, 07:21:01 PM »
Pretty right. By banning members and editing and deleting posts, which they are doing, and censor all voices of disagreement, you effectively re-write history. Those that are still there but not very active will know something is not right but will be unable to tell or find posts to explain it, new members will be ignorant of any of it and any questions posed will be in line with the false history.
That is what will happen
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

How to apologise to Scrap

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Re: Who is "Bob"?
« Reply #134 on: September 05, 2008, 09:00:12 PM »
Korrigan was part of mob. The manner in which she spoke to Joanna was unacceptable  and it was just the tip of the iceberg. Too many people made the mistake of following Max and Rossco / Les. They couldn't see through their nastiness, and too many people believed their lies.

Korrigan enjoyed the drama. Socially skillful, but not nice. Max was another one with pretty good social skills, he knew how to charm. Neither Max nor Korrigan had AS nor did they have a family member diagnosed with aspergers. Anyone who challenged or threatened Max's standing in that community, became a target for ongoing harassment and lies.

Amy decided to make a stand. Korrigan was banned for two days. As Amy stated - there had being a mob mentality on that forum for too long.

Korrigan was an NT in her thirties, she was part of a mob in AFF and she was engaging in bullying behaviour with a fifteen year old aspie.

I wasn't banned --- look to Lucie on that forum and you will see I was not banned.

Look to max and grumpy and you will see the words banned through their names.

Amy was always actively involved on that forum. But .... although she sought to do things right... forum moderation isn't easy, mistakes were made.


TCO - I have just realised your age -  Are you sad? What drives your wish to hurt and insult. Honest question here.

Ozmandias - your post reflects an attitude of honour and respect towards others - shame there couldn't have been more of this on AFF.