The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz

[TheoK]

Hm, the English Wikipedia states that there were Polish military installations there before 1939, though I see nothing about that in the German Wikipedia.

[IlluSionS667]

Hm, the English Wikipedia states that there were Polish military installations there before 1939, though I see nothing about that in the German Wikipedia.

Interesting.

ANY information about this would be very welcome....

[Nocturnalist!]

However, the undisputed evidence that the Gas-Camber was turned into an Air Raid shelter by the Germans in 1943 after its use as a gas chamber can suggest that during construction the building would have been cleaned as well as new walls put in and the ceiling vents removed.

How do you know that the air raid shelter had been anything but an air raid shelter before the Russians entered the camp?

How do you know that it wasn't? There seems physical evidence that the building had many uses over time - pointed out by the narrator himself. The narrator in the video did not question what the historian said about the conversion from Gas Chamber to Air Raid Shelter between 1942 and 1943 (note I might be getting the dates wrong from just one viewing).

Oh and regarding the de-licing chambers... I thought they were common knowledge, as also the use of Zyklon B to kill infestations. It was, after all, invented before the war as a pesticide, wasn't it?

It is far from common knowledge. Most people are not aware of the use of Zyklon B for delycing and are just told it was used for killing people.

How did I know this then? I have not made any detailed study into this matter, yet it is something I already knew and regarded as quite common knowledge.

Regarding the swimming pool. I have a question. Was the pool constructed while Auschwitz was a military barracks, or was it constructed for the purpose of the inmates when the site became a prison camp.

Was the Auschwitz complex a military barracks before it became a concentration camp? This is new for me. Please elaborate.

I admittedly may be mistaken because I've only viewed the video once... but doesn't the narrator state that when he talks about the three Auschwitz's at the beginning of the video? Sorry if I am mistaken.

The piece also rests heavilly on the lack of documentary evidence for the holocaust (ignoring witness statements). However, a lack of documentary evidence for traditional history is ALSO a lack of documentary evidence for revisionist history and thus siting it is a fallacy of logic.

Actually, there is quite some evidence in favor of the Holocaust Revisionist version of history, which is mentioned in some of the other films and in the many books published on the topic. This film only deals with a tiny aspect of the issue.

I think it is a given, since the estimated dead at Auschwitz fell from 4 million to 1.1 million, that Russian propoganda played a part in the figures being so high for this particular camp. However no evidence is presented by the Revisionist for his suggestion that the figure be lower still. No evidence or even argument whatsoever.

Again, there are other sources that deal with this.

I look forward to the further videos then

Lastly regarding the questioning of the tour guide. Of course she will falter when asked questions she is not used to answering. She is not a historian but a person employed to guide an average tourist around the site.

When I hire a tour guide, I espect him or her to know important things such as whether or not "gas chambers" are in their orriginal condition.

You have higher expectations of mere tour guides than I would have then. I would not take a mere tour guide at face value. They are often merely given a prepared text to recite. A qualified historian costs more.

So. All-in-all this first video can appear to deliver some good points on the face of it, but it is not in any way convincing to a thinking/questioning skeptic looking for weaknesses in its arguments as any skeptic would.

That's why videos like this one should be looked at as an introduction into Holocaust Revisionism only. For a more detailed insight, you should read articles or books.

Yes. However, the videos are the materials you provided for us to watch. I could have watched them without doing you the courtesy of reply, but I chose to give you my initial response. I am not yet feeling inclined to carry out a detailed study, maybe the later videos will do this. We shall see

[Nocturnalist!]

Was the Auschwitz complex a military barracks before it became a concentration camp? This is new for me. Please elaborate.

Confirmed. The narrator says this around 4 minutes into the first video

[Lucifer]

It's been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the moon is, in fact, made of cheese. Your arguments have been debunked by known experts in the field. Many of the photographs are obvious fakes, the trips to the moon were a gigantic hoax, exposed by countless websites, articles, and well-known academics, and I'm fairly sure you haven't actually measured the temperature on the moon, only read about it in NASA propaganda.

Oh, and why do you think it's called the Milky Way? 

Pathetic, really, your attempts at trying to hide the truth from the public.

   

[Lucifer]

I can only encourage you to continue your research. When I first watched that video, I was just as sceptical as you are now.

"and then the pixies in my head told me The Truth..."

i was going to read this thread, but then i found some lovely pins to stick in my eyes, and i thought i'd do that for preference. 

[TheoK]

It's not nice of you to bully  IlluSionS667.

[ApotheosisIV]

The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz  -- Part 1
David Cole - The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz 1 of 2

I've found myself with time to watch this first video presentation. I do intend to watch the others. Here's a few things that sprung to my mind on one viewing.

Some points the revisionist said seem good points on the face of it. However, they do not convince whole-heartedly... since I am admittedly highly skeptical of Revisionist history regarding the holocaust.

I believe he started by saying that Russian Propoganda is behind a lot of the current understanding of the holocaust, but later said that the Russians are more concerned with the plight of the Poles and others from the late Eastern Bloc at Auschwitz than the Jews. Yet are we not dealing with the Holocaust which is supposed to be the German attempt to wipe the Jews out of European existence... an attempted genocide.

The issue of the Zyklon B staining remaining in the de-lousing chambers and yet not in the Gas Chamber, on the face of it seems a good point. However, the undisputed evidence that the Gas-Camber was turned into an Air Raid shelter by the Germans in 1943 after its use as a gas chamber can suggest that during construction the building would have been cleaned as well as new walls put in and the ceiling vents removed. It is reasonable to assume the building would have been cleaned of the debris of its former use. So it is a good point so long as it is presumed that the use of the building didn't change during the war and, unfortunately for the point, the use DID change.

What the video maker considers a fraud in reconstructing the buildings to how they approximately were before the changing from Gas Chamber to Air Raid Shelter, most would consider to be Restoration... which takes place in many historical buildings. The Tour Guide can not be expected to know all the historical details and it is human nature to try and muckle through so as not to disappoint what she thought to be an interested Jewish tourist - yes she made a booboo, but those who were better qualified were perfectly open and gave good explaination... indeed seemed to bend over backwards for the interviewer.

Oh and regarding the de-licing chambers... I thought they were common knowledge, as also the use of Zyklon B to kill infestations. It was, after all, invented before the war as a pesticide, wasn't it?

Regarding the swimming pool. I have a question. Was the pool constructed while Auschwitz was a military barracks, or was it constructed for the purpose of the inmates when the site became a prison camp. It does indeed seem very surprising that the Germans would have constructed an item of luxury for it's professed enemies.

The piece also rests heavilly on the lack of documentary evidence for the holocaust (ignoring witness statements). However, a lack of documentary evidence for traditional history is ALSO a lack of documentary evidence for revisionist history and thus siting it is a fallacy of logic. A lot of documents were destroyed when Nazi Germany fell and as to the lack of coded transmissions detailing the activities of exterminating the Jews... why would such local activity need to be transmitted in coded transmissions through the airways, what purpose would that serve if the mechanisms were already in place and operating.

I think it is a given, since the estimated dead at Auschwitz fell from 4 million to 1.1 million, that Russian propoganda played a part in the figures being so high for this particular camp. However no evidence is presented by the Revisionist for his suggestion that the figure be lower still. No evidence or even argument whatsoever.

Lastly regarding the questioning of the tour guide. Of course she will falter when asked questions she is not used to answering. She is not a historian but a person employed to guide an average tourist around the site. I would imagine just as much faltering would happen if you asked a man in a Mickey Mouse costume at Disney World on the life of Walt Disney. The questioning was not fair because the interviewer was hiding his interests, so of course she would be ill-prepared. Not that she was given much screen time in the video any way. He said he had, was it 9 hours of footage with her... she seemed to have only seconds of screen time. Very limited clips of what she had to say.

So. All-in-all this first video can appear to deliver some good points on the face of it, but it is not in any way convincing to a thinking/questioning skeptic looking for weaknesses in its arguments as any skeptic would.

It is a worthwhile video to watch, because it does bring up some interesting points. However it could also mislead because of what it, itself leaves unsaid by its careful construction. If I am to be asked to think outside the box of the holocaust, then I will certainly seek to think outside the box of the revisionist. Rather like those who claim the moon landings never happened, on the face of it the arguments seem convincing, but under the surface, if interrogated, they are questionable. Which is after all, exactly what the Revisionists are saying about the Traditionalists... so its a fair point to make in return

fuck me - did you write all them words yourself?

[Lucifer]

It's not nice of you to bully  IlluSionS667.

"bully"?  you call that bullying?

my word, you are a delicate flower.

[odeon]

It's not nice of you to bully  IlluSionS667.

I certainly hope I wasn't being nice.

[IlluSionS667]

How do you know that the air raid shelter had been anything but an air raid shelter before the Russians entered the camp?

How do you know that it wasn't? There seems physical evidence that the building had many uses over time - pointed out by the narrator himself.

Like what?

The narrator in the video did not question what the historian said about the conversion from Gas Chamber to Air Raid Shelter between 1942 and 1943 (note I might be getting the dates wrong from just one viewing).

He did not ask Piper about it because that would have been suspicious. I know of no reason to believe these rooms ever WERE gas chambers other than dubious post-war testimonies.

Besides, the key feature of the film is that it exposes the fact that the "gas chamber" in Auschwitz was nothing but an air raid shelter when the Russians arrived. Back then, the admiittance of this fact by an official as important as Piper was quite a big deal and shocking to many.....

It is far from common knowledge. Most people are not aware of the use of Zyklon B for delycing and are just told it was used for killing people.

How did I know this then? I have not made any detailed study into this matter, yet it is something I already knew and regarded as quite common knowledge.

Every now and then, they air a documentary that mentions it. You must have seen one of them

I'm not saying that this info is not in the public record. I'm merely pointing out that it's a fact not often mentioned, resulting in people thinking it was used for killing people and for killing people only.

I admittedly may be mistaken because I've only viewed the video once... but doesn't the narrator state that when he talks about the three Auschwitz's at the beginning of the video? Sorry if I am mistaken.

Like I said, it's been years ago since I last watched the vid... although this does seem a bit too relevant to forget or ignore.

I look forward to the further videos then

Good. Once you've gone through them, feel free to ask me for book titles if you're still interested in further research.

You have higher expectations of mere tour guides than I would have then. I would not take a mere tour guide at face value. They are often merely given a prepared text to recite.

I guess tour guides in my country are better trained and more passionate than those in your country. I doubt I ever met a Belgian tour guide who wasn't passionate about the topic at hand and who couldn't spontaneously tell lots of details many people don't know about.

Yes. However, the videos are the materials you provided for us to watch. I could have watched them without doing you the courtesy of reply, but I chose to give you my initial response. I am not yet feeling inclined to carry out a detailed study, maybe the later videos will do this. We shall see

I can post some book titles whenever you want them. I already explained you that I posted these videos because people are more inclined to spend one or two hours watching a video than to spend several days or weeks reading a book, unless they're already passionate about the topic on forehand.

Was the Auschwitz complex a military barracks before it became a concentration camp? This is new for me. Please elaborate.

Confirmed. The narrator says this around 4 minutes into the first video

I'll have to do some further research on that.

[IlluSionS667]

It's not nice of you to bully  IlluSionS667.

What do you expect from hypocrites like them? Those who whine the most about "human rights", "democracy" and "tolerance" are often the least inclined to show respect to those with views that strongly differ from them. When the British and American "humanitarians" invaded Germany in 1945, they robbed, tortured, raped and murdered millions in the name of "democracy", "freedom" and "justice". These allied "humanitarians" destroyed centuries of precious art and hundreds of thousands of people with attrocious phospherous and atom bombs in a matter of days. The same people who whined about the freedom of dissidents in Third Reich Germany forced every German lucky enough not to be executed or sent to prison to "denazify" by means of terror and propaganda. The same people who whined about the treatment of Jews in the German concentration camps and falsely accused the Germans of genocide sent German individuals to camps where conditions were sometimes far worse, and this for no other reason but their idealism. Scenes of embowelment of former SS-officers (alive and screaming) were not uncommon.

The "multi-culturalist" "capitalist" and "democratic" individual is the worst kind of hypocrite there is.

[odeon]

Oh, I see. The nazis were actually the victims. Don't you think that's a bit top-heavy, even for a fuckwit like you?

[IlluSionS667]

Oh, I see. The nazis were actually the victims.

Yes, they were. They were idealists who were villified to the extreme due to black-ops wartime propaganda that survived the war and the sub-sequent trials because ancient aliens decided to reuse it.

Obviously, Hitler was no angel. No one is even remotely suggesting that political dissident had freedom of speech in Hiter Germany or that concentration camps were like Club Med. The violence, repression and neglect of Hitler Germany was merely exaggerated while the violence, repression and neglect of their enemies was largely ignored or excused.

For example, have you ever heard of the Bengali famine of 1943? During the war, the British confiscated and stockpiled enormous amounts of Bengali rice, leaving only little for the local population. As a consequence, 1.5 to 3 million people (official figures) died from famine. Even though no one denies this genuine Holocaust, no outrage is heard and no one constantly tells us about how evil this act has been.... 1.5 or more dead and the world remains silent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

[Lucifer]

yep, some atrocities are higher profile than others, get over it.  doesn't make any of them less appalling, and the maxim "two wrongs don't make a right" springs to mind.

the only use for arguments like that is to irritate adults who work with kids, when there's a playground skit: "why did you punch Champagne, Tyson?"*

"well, she kicked me!"

etc.

*(i'm not kidding - i've taught kids with those names.  some people should be shot before they manage to procreate).