The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz

[Lucifer]

as i said, there's no point in arguing with someone whose mind is completely closed: you can't deny that you've made up your mind and won't consider any alternative to your views.  i'll keep listening to anyone who proves to me that their opinion is worth listening to, including those opinions i find distasteful.  you, sir, are not one of those people.

here's a clue: "yes, but..." (or versions thereof) means you're not listening.

as for thinking more in a day than i do in a month, that's yet another example of you making assumptions, and merely a clever way of insulting me.  well, have that point - you obviously need it more than i do. 

[The_Chosen_One]

It's his dictaphone, and he can 'cictaphone up his arse'. Hope his tape breaks or gets chewed up. 

[IlluSionS667]

Every piece of what you quoted to my response is factually incorrect, and empirically flawed in it's concept by a truly flawed individual.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Spain stayed neutral because they new that whoever backed Hitler would ultimately be turned on, as France and Italy were. It was especially dangerous, and given the toll of the civil war, they could afford to do nothing else.

Still... if the situation in Spain had ANYTHING to do with WW2, Spain wouldn't have been neutral.

Italy sapped sides at the drop of a hat, and the only thing that saved France was the resistance.

France was an allied nation occupied by Germany. It did have a collaborating government, but so did all occupied nations. Belgium even had three different national-socialist parties who all partially or totally supported Germany.

Czech mistreatment? Bullshit. The Czechs had the same thing happen to them when the Nazis marched through toward Russia as had happen to the Pols.

This happened only AFTER many years of abuse by both Czechs and Poles. Whenever one ethnic group gains control over another, abuse of the dominant group is very common. It was no different in the former German territories of Czechoslovakia and Poland than in eg. Kosovo a few years ago.

The Pols were quite within their right to stick it to Hitler, given that he wanted THEIR land and their territory.

He didn't. Had Poland not withdrawed unilaterally from their negotiations with Germany, there would have been no invasion.

Besides... Half of Poland had been German territory for centuries and was predominantly inhabited by Germans.

You are an idiot. Hitler's sweeo all through France, Italy, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, Belgium, into England, Russia, and even Egypt proved he was after European domination.

France had declared war on Germany prior to that.
Italy was an ally.
Poland was attacked for reasons mentioned above.
Czech areas were annexed totally legally, following a treaty between Hacha and Hitler. Slowak areas were granted independent at the same time.
Yugoslavia, Hungary and Romania were independent nations.
Belgium, Holland, Norway and Sweden were invaded for tactical reasons.
England was attacked because it had declared war against Germany.
Germany troops set foot into Egypt only to aid their ally Italy.

How does this prove Hitler wanted to conquer all of Europe?

The final solution was to not only get rid of the Jews from Germany, but to wipe them off the face of the Earth.

The Final Solution was the creation of a Jewish nation far away from Germany.

Hitler was part Jewish (his mother's side)

That's an unsubstanciated rumour.

he destroyed and razed his own village to rid the world of any trace that he was.

He actually wanted to turn his home town Linz into a major cultural centre.

He claimed to have been born as an Austrian, but everybody knew he had Jewish ancestry.

No German would have believed that at the time.

So it's you who needs to read some proper facts, and stop blighting this forum with your lies and revisonist bullshit.

ROFL

as i said, there's no point in arguing with someone whose mind is completely closed

Like yourself, you mean?!?

you can't deny that you've made up your mind and won't consider any alternative to your views.

Prove that I'm wrong and I will change my mind. I've done so many times before and I will continue to do so in the future.

Just don't me to accept as evidence strawman arguments that have been debunked ages ago.

i'll keep listening to anyone who proves to me that their opinion is worth listening to, including those opinions i find distasteful.

How can anyone prove that?

here's a clue: "yes, but..." (or versions thereof) means you're not listening.

It means that I'm listening but not agreeing. Big difference ! ! !

Do you really think you've said ANYTHING I haven't read or heard at least a dozen times before?

as for thinking more in a day than i do in a month, that's yet another example of you making assumptions, and merely a clever way of insulting me.

Thusfar you haven't illustrated any sign of intelligence, so I'm fairly confident of my words.

[odeon]

The world would have been a much better place is Hitler had won the war and the American-English-French-Sovjet alliance had lost.

I think that is an abomnible notion. That is a revolting thing to say.

A revolting thing to say from a revolting person with revolting views.

[IlluSionS667]

I think that is an abomnible notion. That is a revolting thing to say.

A revolting thing to say from a revolting person with revolting views.

I know what you hold against my views, but why are Nocturnalist's views revolting in your opinion? Is it because he actually shows an open mind with regards to the Holocaust myth, rather than blindly taking it for granted as you are doing. What has he said or done that makes you think so poorly of him?

[The_Chosen_One]

The world would have been a much better place is Hitler had won the war and the American-English-French-Sovjet alliance had lost.

I think that is an abomnible notion. That is a revolting thing to say.

A revolting thing to say from a revolting person with revolting views.

QFT. Odeon.

Lucifer is right, you can't talk to a madman, who has his head so far up his bum that he is looking out his mouth.

[odeon]

I think that is an abomnible notion. That is a revolting thing to say.

A revolting thing to say from a revolting person with revolting views.

I know what you hold against my views, but why are Nocturnalist's views revolting in your opinion? Is it because he actually shows an open mind with regards to the Holocaust myth, rather than blindly taking it for granted as you are doing. What has he said or done that makes you think so poorly of him?

No, your views are. Reread Nocti's post and my response, in sequence.

Nazi fuckwit.

[IlluSionS667]

No, your views are. Reread Nocti's post and my response, in sequence.

You said "A revolting thing to say from a revolting person with revolting views." The use of the word "from" implies that you were referring to him and not to me. If you were referring to me, you should have used "about" instead.

Anyway, I don't mind being offended by a narrowminded and prejudiced liberal moron like yourself. Coming from someone like you, it is actually a compliment when being called revolting

Nazi fuckwit.

It is very telling about your character that you can't write a single post in this thread without using profanity.

[The_Chosen_One]

And it's very telling that in your fetid swamp of a brain that you can't post without introducing bullshit propaganda from the most unreliable of sources. What was your first source? Helen Demidenko? She turned out to be a fraud and a liar, and got carpeted. The internet? Do you believe everything you read on the net, or see on Youtube? Did you realise that a lot of it is posted by kids who weren't even born when the Holocaust happened, let alone saw any of it, and the rest is propaganda from fascist authorites that are connected to the neo-Nazi movement and Bada Meinhoff, which are two criminal organizations out to resurrect the ideals of your heros. Oh, you quote books; books written by those same revisionists who wouldn't know if their arses were on fire in the middle of a summer heatwave. Oh, you say that you have a career in IT, and can get any reliable source you want. Well, jackass, anyone can get a position and a degree in IT; as long as you can put together a computer and type two words in a document, you are home and hosed. And secondly, your sources are as unreliable as yesterday's newspaper. Are you a fan of Newscorp and Murdoch? Then you should know the bullshit they produce. Same as Fox. IT degrees and jobs are a dime a dozen. If I were looking for employment, I'd want something with a little more skill and diversity. So you sir, are a liar, a bigot, a fascist and a jackanapse. I feel you are obsessed with this drivel, and it's time we moved on to something more enthralling, like the weather.

[IlluSionS667]

And it's very telling that in your fetid swamp of a brain that you can't post without introducing bullshit propaganda from the most unreliable of sources.

How do you judge whether a source is unreliable or not? Whether it agrees with you or not?

What was your first source?

My source for what?

Helen Demidenko? She turned out to be a fraud and a liar, and got carpeted.

I haven't even heard of her.

The internet? Do you believe everything you read on the net, or see on Youtube?

No I don't. It is, however, an easy way to find numerous articles from numerous points of view and compare their arguments with one another and with the available evidence.

Did you realise that a lot of it is posted by kids who weren't even born when the Holocaust happened, let alone saw any of it

Obviously...;

[...], and the rest is propaganda from fascist authorites that are connected to the neo-Nazi movement and Bada Meinhoff, which are two criminal organizations out to resurrect the ideals of your heros.

Rassinier is one of the first Holocaust Revisionist. He was a former inmate of the German concentration camp system himself and he became a Holocaust Revisionist because he was disgusted by the lies told about the German concentration camp. Josef Ginsburg is a Jew who suffered from anti-Jewish measures taken during WWII by other countries as well as Germany and he's also a Holocaust Revisionist.

Those are just two of the most obvious examples. Far from all Holocaust Revisionisits are antisemites or people born after the war.

Oh, you quote books; books written by those same revisionists who wouldn't know if their arses were on fire in the middle of a summer heatwave.

Have you read ANY of them?

And secondly, your sources are as unreliable as yesterday's newspaper.

Based on what?

Are you a fan of Newscorp and Murdoch? Then you should know the bullshit they produce. Same as Fox.

A fan of Newcorp and Murdoch? You're kidding, right?

I object to their neocon rubbish as much as I object to liberal rubbish.

IT degrees and jobs are a dime a dozen. If I were looking for employment, I'd want something with a little more skill and diversity.

I'm an IT CONSULTANT. Consultancy is one of the most diverse jobs in IT and it definitely allows you to build up a lot of skill and experience. It's also one of the most well-paid jobs in IT.

So you sir, are a liar, a bigot, a fascist and a jackanapse. I feel you are obsessed with this drivel, and it's time we moved on to something more enthralling, like the weather.

You just feel that way because you're a primitive decadent idiot.

[The_Chosen_One]

IT consultant? that's like a helpdesk wanker. 'Hello, helpdesk.... Er, Windows, what's that?' They know even less than the nerds building the stuff, or the programmers writing the software. Dime a dozen job with no skill and no future.

At least in primative times they didn't have fuktards like you trying to rewrite history to account for the fact your idols fucked up in the first place. Nazis. fucking geocidal mass murderer. No excuse can be given for them.

Reviosionist are all liars and dolts who aren't happy with how things turned out, so they want history to be rewritten to reflect their myopia and narrowmindedness. Liars, miscreants and frauds, the lot of them. Including you.

I don't read bullshit Nazi propaganda written by people with an agenda to recreate a time of mass murder and genocide. If you want to jack off to such crap, go ahead; but I will not sully my screen with the ramblings of liars and frauds. Nor will I waste my hard-earned on books written by people supporting the Master race who proposed Fahrenheit 451 and the bookburning associated with it. Hypocritical charlatains.

It is the fact that you are supporting the rantings of a group of mass murderers and genocidal maniacs that is insulting to anyone's intelligence. How someone like you with a professed IQ of yours can sit there and publicly quote this drivel proves your are as insane as any other war-mongering power crazed goose stepping imbecile.

Do you discuss this shit with your family? Honestly? If they aggree with you, then they are as equally retarded. Maybe you should shut the fuck up when they tell you, becuae your viewpoints are poisonous ramblings and the only purpose they serve is to pervert history and rewrite atrocities to make them look like your lot were the victims.

Get over it, dickwad. Your side lost, and it's a fucking good thing for the rest of mankind they did. You wouldn't be alive today using your computer if your side had won, for sure.

[IlluSionS667]

IT consultant? that's like a helpdesk wanker. 'Hello, helpdesk.... Er, Windows, what's that?' They know even less than the nerds building the stuff, or the programmers writing the software. Dime a dozen job with no skill and no future.

I work for a company that is hired by other companies to extend, modify or implement their production environment... or to just manage it. We are hired when internal employees don't suffice and my job varies from debugging existing code and implementing new code to designing print forms, data models and data extraction methods. Every project is different and it's anything BUT the job of a "helpdesk wanker".

At least in primative times they didn't have fuktards like you trying to rewrite history to account for the fact your idols fucked up in the first place.

There would be no need to question history books if they were actually based on facts.

Nazis. fucking geocidal mass murderer. No excuse can be given for them.

No excuse can be given for geocidal mass murderer. However, that's not what happened in Hitler Germany.

Reviosionist are all liars and dolts who aren't happy with how things turned out, so they want history to be rewritten to reflect their myopia and narrowmindedness.

Then what about Rassinier and Ginsberg, whom I mentioned earlier? How would either have benefited from Hitler winning the war?

Hypocritical charlatains.

That's the best description one can give of those lovely British "democrats" who falsely accuse the Germans for genocides while they themselves are responsible for the death of millions of Bengals in 1943 alone.

It is the fact that you are supporting the rantings of a group of mass murderers and genocidal maniacs that is insulting to anyone's intelligence.

I'm not supporting the rantings of a group of mass murderers and genocidal maniacs.

Do you discuss this shit with your family? Honestly?

I discuss this with my girlfriend and those friends who are open to this sort of debate. My parents aren't open to debate, but they are aware of my views on those issues.

Maybe you should shut the fuck up when they tell you, becuae your viewpoints are poisonous ramblings and the only purpose they serve is to pervert history and rewrite atrocities to make them look like your lot were the victims.

What a load of rubbish....

Get over it, dickwad. Your side lost, and it's a fucking good thing for the rest of mankind they did. You wouldn't be alive today using your computer if your side had won, for sure.

I'm pretty sure life of most Europeans would have been MUCH better had Hitler won.

[TheoK]

Czech mistreatment? Bullshit. The Czechs had the same thing happen to them when the Nazis marched through toward Russia as had happen to the Pols. The Pols were quite within their right to stick it to Hitler, given that he wanted THEIR land and their territory. 1939 proved them right.

*Cough cough* Their land? 52% of the people in West Prussia (Small Pomerania, "Polish corridor") were Germans. The province was given to Poland in 1919, without plebiscite. 97% of the population in the free city of Danzig were Germans too but were denied a volunarily return to the Reich beacuse of Polish demands. The majority of the population in East-Upper Silesia were Poles, but they voted for Germany in the 1921 plebiscite nevertheless. The French then gave their province to Poland against the will of the majority!

[IlluSionS667]

*Cough cough* Their land? 52% of the people in West Prussia (Small Pomerania, "Polish corridor") were Germans.

If I'm not mistaking, that number even was a lot higher in 1918.

*The province was given to Poland in 1919, without plebiscite.

Actually it was the allied authorities who decided to create a Polish state by taking areas of Germany, Austria-Hungary as well as Russia. There was no Polish state in 1918 and such a state hadn't existed for quite some time. Germans had no say in this whatsoever, even though it had been German land for many centuries.

[TheoK]

"Nach dem Ersten Weltkrieg sollten nach dem Versailler Vertrag Teile des Grenzverlaufs zwischen Polen und Deutschland per Volksabstimmungen geregelt werden. Zwischen Kriegsende und Abstimmung kam es zu gewaltsamen Auseinandersetzungen zwischen polnischen Einwohnern, die den Anschluss an Polen forderten, und deutschen Polizeieinheiten sowie Freikorps (Aufstände in Oberschlesien). Am Abstimmungstag, dem 20. März 1921 stimmten bei einer Wahlbeteiligung von 97,5 Prozent 707.045 (59,4 Prozent) Oberschlesier, also auch viele, die in Volkszählungen Polnisch als Muttersprache angegeben hatten, für Deutschland und 479.232 (40,6 Prozent) für Polen. Das Abstimmungsgebiet stellte zudem nur den Teil Oberschlesiens dar, in dem bei Volkszählungen ein hoher Anteil slawischsprachiger Bevölkerung ermittelt worden war. So umfasste das Abstimmungsgebiet zusätzlich auch einen kleinen Teil des niederschlesischen Landkreises Namslau – die Landkreise Falkenberg O.S., Grottkau, Neisse und der Westteil des Landkreises Neustadt O.S. sowie der bereits 1920 an die Tschechoslowakei abgetretene Südteil des Kreises Ratibor, das Hultschiner Ländchen, waren dagegen von der Abstimmung ausgeschlossen

Im Mai kam es zu einem weiteren Aufstand mit dem Ziel der kompletten Angliederung an Polen, der ziemlich erfolgreich verlief. 1922 kam dann der kleinere (29%), aber dichter besiedelte Teil Oberschlesiens, „Ostoberschlesien“ genannt und mit ihm der Großteil des Oberschlesischen Industriegebiets mit der Hälfte aller Hüttenwerke, einem Großteil der Kohle- und Eisenerzvorkommen und den wirtschaftlich bedeutenden Bergbauregionen, auf Beschluss des Völkerbundes vom 10. Oktober 1921 zur neugegründeten Autonomen Woiwodschaft Schlesien in Polen. Die Städte und Industrieorte Königshütte (Królewska Huta), Kattowitz (Katowice), Myslowitz (Mysłowice), Schwientochlowitz (Świętochłowice), Laurahütte (Huta Laura), Siemianowitz (Siemianowice Śląskie), Bismarckhütte (Hajduki Wielkie), Lipine (Lipiny), Friedenshütte (Nowy Bytom) und Ruda wurden damit polnisch"

Oberschlesien

The Leauge of Nations gave away eastern Upper Silesia against the will of the majority of those who lived there. In West Prussia there wasn't even a plebiscite at all.

I was wrong about the percentage in West Prussia, though. 66% were Germans:

"Inhabitant:

    * 66% Germans, mainly descendant down-German Saxonia and germanisierter Slawen. Thus German immigrants from Westphalia populated the city Thorn.
    * 33% Poland, seizes all to the left of the Weichsel, there also the 100,000 Kassuben."

West Prussia