i never asked him to leave.
True. Triste asked him to leave. You support Triste which could be implied that you also want him to leave. But you did not actually ask him to leave.
PI being a nosey bitch, in his thread is wrong. we all do it and we all hijack other peoples thread. this to me is different. all you and PI are doing is lending voice to an abuser.
I dispute the accusation that Hiro is an abuser.
That is something I prefer to judge for myself. I have not yet seen anything that makes me certain he is an abuser. I am certain that he has hurt Triste, but I can not judge to what degree because I don't know enough. So all I have to go by is her hurt, and she is by far not the first person to be hurt by what goes on here, so I have no reason to treat her hurt any differently than others'.
PI (...) chose this venue, and in effect is silencing someone who feels abused.
No. She has not told Triste to be quiet, and even if she had, Triste would be free to ignore her. Just like anyone else here. She has just argued with Triste's requests, and with you.
he brings up some interesting loopholes which need to be plugged.
I agree, and I am all in favor of plugging them. But I also think that they can be plugged without Hiro leaving the site - so I have made it clear to him that I think he should stay.
this whole situation is like rape. all i was doing was lending a voice for the abused. and it was working until, PI had to step in and silence ONE of the victims further.
Like rape? Yes.
Is it rape? No. There is a
serious difference between sending a woman rude and sexually explicit PM's (assuming that was what Hiro did - I can't even know that for certain) and physically grabbing her, restraining her, stripping her private areas, and sticking one's penis into her. Don't blow something further out of proportion than it already is.
lend voice to the abusive. and i am not talking about public abuse, i am talking about shit that has happened out of the public eye. this site was used as a vehicle to stalk vulnerable people, to gain access through trickery or a nice guy act. then it turns into violations of trust, and abuse.
Throwing around the "abuse" card does not help your case. I am not going to jump on it and become all meek and back down, just because it's "abuse" - or "racism" or "sexism" or any of these other loaded words that come with an automatic socio-political viewpoint which is met with blind hostility if it is not adopted.
some of hiro's actions and his (mental) raping of women, and on other sites is pertinant to establishing a pattern of abuse.
Pyraxis, all you will find is triste may have a pattern of sensitivity, which BTW, she would freely admit.
Which is fine. But if she has a pattern of sensitivity, and she can't deal with the consequences, then it would not be wise or healthy for her to risk spending time on an uncensored site.
Hiro, needs to be put on notice that using this site to prey on women are just plain wrong.
he can be like peter, or me, or fluorescent, or peagai, he can be an equal opportunity flamer. IN PUBLIC.
I agree. I support that. I support Triste speaking up, and I support you defending her, and I support PI and Vetivert giving you shit for it. And I also support Hiro, who until this argument right here did not have anybody but Postperson sticking up for him. So I'm going to continue to give my opinion.