Father-Daugther incestous couple have come out

[Sophgay]

It's not the social stigma, it's the defects.
I don't think anyone who's got a high risk of having kids with serious illnesses etc should have them, if it's going to make the child suffer

Read his whole statement.

i did
which bit are you referring to?

Probably a greater chance of producing
someone who will be a burden on society.

Not the same as a child in pain and dying within a few weeks/years

Ah yes, much better that they have MS,
and suffer a lifetime?

no
what i'm saying is, having AS is completely different

[Calandale]

okay, so AS was a poor choice, but
one calculated to show more empathy
around here. Still, the government doesn't
forcibly sterilize those with serious genetic
defects. AND, if they did, we'd be next on the
list.

[Sophgay]

i don't see why
like i said, AS is entirely different
if i had my own genetic offspring, there'd be a chance they had AS. but so? would that be as bad as knowingly having a kid who would be in physical pain for years?

and i don't think ANYONE should have kids, if there's a higher chance those kids will be in pain

[Persona]

Yeah I see it but social stigma is bs.  Kids get picked on for anything these days, having older parents, having fat parents, having weird parents etc.

Also, a risk of deformity gets higher, the closer the people are in the gene pool.  I mean loads of cousins do get married and their babies turn out alright.  They are a father and daughter though, surely they must have had enough sense to see that something must be wrong when they had the first baby and it died?  Why the fuck would they continue trying to have kids?  That's what I'm getting at.

[Calandale]

i don't see why
like i said, AS is entirely different
if i had my own genetic offspring, there'd be a chance they had AS. but so? would that be as bad as knowingly having a kid who would be in physical pain for years?

and i don't think ANYONE should have kids, if there's a higher chance those kids will be in pain

There's always a higher chance, if they have them,
than if they don't.

And, if you meant otherwise, try pushing for genetic screening
before birth - I think you'll find that most of those who are
disgusted by this, will be equally disturbed by that idea.

Thoughts of hitler and all.

[Calandale]

Yeah I see it but social stigma is bs.  Kids get picked on for anything these days, having older parents, having fat parents, having weird parents etc.

Yes. So it's irrelevant in the case of incest.

Also, a risk of deformity gets higher, the closer the people are in the gene pool.  I mean loads of cousins do get married and their babies turn out alright.  They are a father and daughter though, surely they must have had enough sense to see that something must be wrong when they had the first baby and it died?  Why the fuck would they continue trying to have kids?  That's what I'm getting at.

Sure, but I've known a couple with MS who
did just that. And some people would talk about
it, but it sure the hell isn't against the law.

[Sophgay]

aborting a fetus because it might have X, Y or Z, is different to choosing not to get pregnant in the first place.
thoughts of hitler is stupid. i want to prevent kids suffering because their parents were idiotic. i don't want to kill people i don't like

[Peter]

Yeah I see it but social stigma is bs.  Kids get picked on for anything these days, having older parents, having fat parents, having weird parents etc.

Also, a risk of deformity gets higher, the closer the people are in the gene pool.  I mean loads of cousins do get married and their babies turn out alright.  They are a father and daughter though, surely they must have had enough sense to see that something must be wrong when they had the first baby and it died?  Why the fuck would they continue trying to have kids?  That's what I'm getting at.

Lots of people lose a kid; they were probably just unfortunate, and don't have a significantly greater risk of defective children than most couples.

Swedish psychiatrist Dr. Carl Olstrom has heavy experience in the
study of fetal deformities resulting from incest, and says that "There is
no evidence to support the assumption that children resulting from
incestuous relationships [with a father or mother] run a greater risk of
being malformed than other children."
Carl Henry Olstrom, M.D. Medical World News , February 4, 1967.

Also, if you're going to prohibit relationships based on the likelihood of resultant children having genetic problems, you'd need to prohibit couples in which one or both partners carry genes for Huntington's disease or hereditary cancer syndromes, among dozens of other serious hereditary conditions.  As has been stated before, if that were the case, we'd be near the top of the list.

[SovaNu]

I don't care about adult consensual incestuous relationships, but they shouldn't be having kids together ffs

 

[Calandale]

aborting a fetus because it might have X, Y or Z, is different to choosing not to get pregnant in the first place.
thoughts of hitler is stupid. i want to prevent kids suffering because their parents were idiotic. i don't want to kill people i don't like

Uhm...no. Nazi germany was involved in eugenics programs
such as you seem to advocate. One wonders just how much
WWII era history you paid attention to.

[Sophgay]

aborting a fetus because it might have X, Y or Z, is different to choosing not to get pregnant in the first place.
thoughts of hitler is stupid. i want to prevent kids suffering because their parents were idiotic. i don't want to kill people i don't like

Uhm...no. Nazi germany was involved in eugenics programs
such as you seem to advocate. One wonders just how much
WWII era history you paid attention to.

I know enough about the eugenics programs thanks.
the point i was making, was that comparisons to hitler are stupid because the reasons i have these views are due to not wanting kids to be in pain.... entirely different

[Sophgay]

and my degree focuses mostly on WWII, so yes, I pay attention to it

[Peter]

I don't see the correlation between gay people having kids and father and daughter producing deformed babies.

From the article:

"In my view, other relevant factors include the need to prevent the high risk of congenital defects in children born of incestuous relationships and to prevent children suffering psychological harm and social stigmatisation."

Children of gay people suffer social stigmatisation and children of people with hereditary conditions suffer a greater risk of congenital defects, yet both are permitted.  This reduces it to a morality law, serving no purpose but to ban what some people find icky or what some book in some religion says some god doesn't like.

[Calandale]

aborting a fetus because it might have X, Y or Z, is different to choosing not to get pregnant in the first place.
thoughts of hitler is stupid. i want to prevent kids suffering because their parents were idiotic. i don't want to kill people i don't like

Uhm...no. Nazi germany was involved in eugenics programs
such as you seem to advocate. One wonders just how much
WWII era history you paid attention to.

I know enough about the eugenics programs thanks.
the point i was making, was that comparisons to hitler are stupid because the reasons i have these views are due to not wanting kids to be in pain.... entirely different

Ah, so some intention makes all the difference?

Soon you'll be advocating torture, if it's
for a good cause.

and my degree focuses mostly on WWII, so yes, I pay attention to it

Which is why your apparent ignorance of the connection shocked me.
And deserved that slap

[Sophgay]

i don't think incest should be illegal, so long as they are consenting adults
my views have nothing to do with it being icky. and i'm not religious