Torture in the US

[Calandale]

Yes, we don't want them to take out an entire race.

Why?

   That doesn't mean when it happens, we will be able to stop it. 

IF now, 'twould be fairly easy.

How about Turkey and those Armenians?

Not like anyone CARED much, at the time. Outside the primary
actors.

[Alex179]

Grossly over-exaggerated scenario you used there Peter.  I have known exactly one person from around here that has been arrested for pot and gotten in serious trouble (I once had a misdemeanor for a eighth).  The guy that did get arrested was growing and being as obvious as you possibly could be (he was an idiot).   I don't have people around here that hate me enough to want me to get arrested.   I doubt any "enemy" that I have would even know where I live currently. 

I know my local police force better than you do, especially now since I have a couple of friends on the force (they even used to smoke weed themselves lol... fags).   That and my family has a damn good lawyer.   I am not too worried, as I never smoke outside of my apartment and barely any people traffic in and out of my place.  My brother is on violation of probation himself and has a damn warrant out for his arrest, and they don't even bother to come to my parent's house, where it is common knowledge that he lives lol.

I advocated torture usage as a means in military strategy and not for police usage.   There is a difference. 

My brother knows a guy who got arrested for a fake bomb threat at FSU, and he didn't even see the CIA or anyone federally affiliated(actually works for Obama's campaign rofl).   The guy just had to spend some time in a mental hospital (he was really fucked up at the time).   The story went that he had something in a large bag and told a cop that "This shit is the BOMB, man" and immediately got thrown to the ground.   It was in the newspaper and the guy barely even remembers the night (blackout drinker). 

I like some brutality and butchery with my warfare, that is all.   Genocide is too specific in its targets to a degree.   I like to do it more by a region at a time as far as warfare goes (resources are better reasons to kill). 

I really prefer my mass death to be by lottery system.   Imagine lottery based mass executions lol.   I know the randomness would not be truly random, but it still would be damn fantastic if it were at least a well done attempt at randomizing a thinning of the herd.   Instead of winning 13 million dollars, you get to die.

[Calandale]

Drug issues depend heavily, based on state.
Here, the federal immigration officers are
citing people for tiny amounts of pot, because
AZ law is so harsh. In Eugene, the cops would
just ask kids to go smoke at home, rather than on
the street.

[Alex179]

Drug issues depend heavily, based on state.
Here, the federal immigration officers are
citing people for tiny amounts of pot, because
AZ law is so harsh. In Eugene, the cops would
just ask kids to go smoke at home, rather than on
the street.

I have gotten that before when I was younger actually.   Jacksonville is in the Bible belt too lol.   That cop just asked us to do it on our own property, which was what we normally did but we were being particularly jackass that day.   He didn't actually see us smoke anything, but the smell was still there.  I haven't been bothered while smoking much during my life, my parents usually get onto me about it after the case and I have never been caught "red handed" by anyone that I can remember.

[Peter]

Grossly over-exaggerated scenario you used there Peter.  I have known exactly one person from around here that has been arrested for pot and gotten in serious trouble (I once had a misdemeanor for a eighth).  The guy that did get arrested was growing and being as obvious as you possibly could be (he was an idiot).   I don't have people around here that hate me enough to want me to get arrested.   I doubt any "enemy" that I have would even know where I live currently. 

I know my local police force better than you do, especially now since I have a couple of friends on the force (they even used to smoke weed themselves lol... fags).   That and my family has a damn good lawyer.   I am not too worried, as I never smoke outside of my apartment and barely any people traffic in and out of my place.  My brother is on violation of probation himself and has a damn warrant out for his arrest, and they don't even bother to come to my parent's house, where it is common knowledge that he lives lol.

I recommend you keep living where you do, because other locations in the US are not nearly so tolerant.

I advocated torture usage as a means in military strategy and not for police usage.   There is a difference.

I hate to break it to you, but the police already use torture, although the public don't cheer lead it like they do with military torture.  With increasing support for military torture, police torture will only increase, especially given the increasingly blurred line between the two as police continue to use military tactics, weapons and equipment in their operations.

Between the years of 1972 and 1991, approximately 135 African-American men and women were arrested and tortured at the hands of former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and officers under his command at Area 2 police headquarters. Some of these victims were as young as thirteen years old. Various court cases have established that the methods of torture used in the interrogation of suspects included electric shock to the ears and genitalia, mock executions, suffocation, and burning. While Jon Burge was ultimately fired by the Chicago Police Department, not a single perpetrator of the tortures has ever been criminally prosecuted.

These incidents were not isolated and allegations of abuse by Burge continue to surface. In fact, the Area 2 cases are seen by many observers as part of a pattern and practice of racially-motivated police brutality in Chicago that has been revealed over the course of many years. This site is devoted to telling the stories of the Area 2 victims and seeking justice for those without a voice.

Today, over two decades have passed since the first allegations of torture by Chicago police officers surfaced. Many of the allegations have been acknowledged to be credible. For example, Judge Milton Shadur of the U.S. District Court (N.D. Ill.) found that:

    “It is now common knowledge that in the early to mid-1980s Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and many officers working under him in the physical abuse and torture of prisoners to extract confessions.” U.S. ex rel. Maxwell v. Gilmore 37 F. Supp.2d 1078 (N.D. Ill. 1999)

And yet—Jon Burge and his fellow torturers remain free. None of the perpetrators have faced a criminal trial.

My brother knows a guy who got arrested for a fake bomb threat at FSU, and he didn't even see the CIA or anyone federally affiliated(actually works for Obama's campaign rofl).   The guy just had to spend some time in a mental hospital (he was really fucked up at the time).   The story went that he had something in a large bag and told a cop that "This shit is the BOMB, man" and immediately got thrown to the ground.   It was in the newspaper and the guy barely even remembers the night (blackout drinker). 

I like some brutality and butchery with my warfare, that is all.   Genocide is too specific in its targets to a degree.   I like to do it more by a region at a time as far as warfare goes (resources are better reasons to kill). 

I really prefer my mass death to be by lottery system.   Imagine lottery based mass executions lol.   I know the randomness would not be truly random, but it still would be damn fantastic if it were at least a well done attempt at randomizing a thinning of the herd.   Instead of winning 13 million dollars, you get to die.

I'm sure you look forward to the day the US starts hosting 'The Running Man' game show.

[Parts]

Give me a few days and I will get you to sign a confession that you killed Kennedy

lol only if I were old enough.   Haven't gotten a hold of time travel yet.

That is irrelevant you would still sign it

[Parts]

Torture goes against what this country was founded on and is a stain on our already bad reputation 

[Calandale]

I'm sure you look forward to the day the US starts hosting 'The Running Man' game show.

I know I do. Blatant abuse is much better than
hidden.

[Calandale]

Torture goes against what this country was founded on and is a stain on our already bad reputation 

Yes, because we treated our enemies, such as the natives, so bloody
well. Don't delude yourself too much about this place.

[Persona]

I find it disturbing how many Americans on forums are actually in favour of torture.

Have you ever been held under water?   My uncle (family bully) was quite fond of doing that to us kids in the family pool. 

The Nazis did that to my grandad when he was a young boy.  Just because they caught him trying to pick some rotten apples from a tree.

[Calandale]

I used to play water polo. Hated that part of it.

[Parts]

Torture goes against what this country was founded on and is a stain on our already bad reputation 

Yes, because we treated our enemies, such as the natives, so bloody
well. Don't delude yourself too much about this place.

Hay they got casinos out of it

I don't delude myself to much I know what the country we live in is in general and who it was built on but I prefer to hope it will one day live up
to the standard it set for itself in principles.   I am deluded but there can always be hope and getting rid of torture would be a good first   

[Calandale]

I'm just arguing that the founders were realists.
Many of them were probably involved in tarring
and feathering of torries. They probably wouldn't
be squeamish about a bit of torture.

Mass produced torture, as it is done now,
would bother them though, I suspect. Then
again, so would McDonald's. 

[Pyraxis]

Hay they got casinos out of it

Er. Not a tradeoff I'd want to take.

[Parts]

The mass produced torture as you call it gets little if any usable results.
Then again I am not so much against the bizarre stuff they did at abu ghraib with the nude pyramids and that lady laughing and pointing at their dicks