wheres scrapheap

[Calandale]

Probably doesn't mind someone seeing the
truth of her, so long as they don't shine
the light for others to see. So long as
she can continue to win election after
election.

[Callaway]

Exactly. Do what she tells you,
and you are safe. Now do be a good
boy, and do whatever mommy says.

^This looks like it was written by a boy who still has "issues" with his own mommy and projects them onto other women.

 :lol:

Knew if I'd let off complaining, you'd manage to
pull the personal attacks out again.

Prime example. You know that I have disagreement
with my mother. Though it bears not at all upon
the site. Didn't think you'd strike so soon though.

No one went personal on you, to push you, this
time, so THIS is now a prime example.

  :lol:

You have to be kidding, Calandale.

It is not the case that my statement was any more personal than yours.

Your post was a personal attack, so I expressed my opinion of that post.

[Calandale]

Exactly. Do what she tells you,
and you are safe. Now do be a good
boy, and do whatever mommy says.

^This looks like it was written by a boy who still has "issues" with his own mommy and projects them onto other women.

 :lol:

Knew if I'd let off complaining, you'd manage to
pull the personal attacks out again.

Prime example. You know that I have disagreement
with my mother. Though it bears not at all upon
the site. Didn't think you'd strike so soon though.

No one went personal on you, to push you, this
time, so THIS is now a prime example.

  :lol:

You have to be kidding, Calandale.

It is not the case that my statement was any more personal than yours.

Your post was a personal attack, so I expressed my opinion of that post.

How was mine related to anything that you've revealed
about your personal life? Yes, you are a parent, but you've
never expressed anything about thinking that you are overly
restrictive. Do you actually have such worries, that I've hit some
nerve? Or are you just BSing about the personal attack?

Either way, I certainly had no way of knowing that this was
a sore point. You, on the other hand, once again dig in
with exactly the type of attack that I object to.

[Eclair]

Exactly. Do what she tells you,
and you are safe. Now do be a good
boy, and do whatever mommy says.

^This looks like it was written by a boy who still has "issues" with his own mommy and projects them onto other women.

 :lol:

Knew if I'd let off complaining, you'd manage to
pull the personal attacks out again.

Prime example. You know that I have disagreement
with my mother. Though it bears not at all upon
the site. Didn't think you'd strike so soon though.

No one went personal on you, to push you, this
time, so THIS is now a prime example.

  :lol:

You have to be kidding, Calandale.

It is not the case that my statement was any more personal than yours.

Your post was a personal attack, so I expressed my opinion of that post.

How was mine related to anything that you've revealed
about your personal life? Yes, you are a parent, but you've
never expressed anything about thinking that you are overly
restrictive. Do you actually have such worries, that I've hit some
nerve? Or are you just BSing about the personal attack?

Either way, I certainly had no way of knowing that this was
a sore point. You, on the other hand, once again dig in
with exactly the type of attack that I object to.

But what if her statement is correct Cal?  Does that mean Callaway, should endure your portrayal of her because you actually DO have those issues? 

[Calandale]

I don't see where some speculation of
hers, as to my family life, is at all relevant
to the manner in which she gains support
from some members. Hell, I almost think that
some actually fear her.

It's this combination of being VERY nice to those
who don't ever say shit to her, and being terribly
cruel to those who do.

Hell, I pick on everyone. Maybe not equally so,
but whenever I see a shot, I tend to take it.
She targets directly and solely at those whom
she is disturbed by. There's no play in her attacks.
Took me some time, before I was willing to face that.

I'm hoping that others see what I saw, even before
I started highlighting this. If not for the extreme
respect/fear/bootlicking which she engenders, I
would have little objection though. It's merely the
power which she has gained, from this. Power is always
a sufficient target - and in her own way, she has more
here than even dunc.

[Lucifer]

oh, please get over it, cal.  you don't like callaway, obviously lots of others do (or respect her, or her admin abilities, or whatever), so please, just stop the personal attacks.

apart from anything else, because it sounds like some sort of personal grudge, you're less likely to get people onto your side, to agree with you about her.

give a rest, eh?

[Calandale]

I actually, when I first noticed this,
I certainly DID like her. This is the
only real flaw that I'd discovered
(perhaps along with holding onto
power, but honestly, that's understandable -
I had trouble giving it up at WP) - hmm,
add the inability to give all sides
a fair chance - but again, I think that's
something which is impossible to change.

But, it's such a large one, in light
of how she portrays (and probably
sees) herself, that the incongruity
is VERY painful. I'm not certain if
I lost all my respect for her - though
the attacks on myself certainly have
tainted whatever I had.

Yes, I harp about it. I actually thought
I had done some good, when she changed
to NOT making such attacks, and merely
clapping at even half assed ones against me.
Obviously, my work is not done.

[Eclair]

I actually, when I first noticed this,
I certainly DID like her. This is the
only real flaw that I'd discovered
(perhaps along with holding onto
power, but honestly, that's understandable -
I had trouble giving it up at WP) - hmm,
add the inability to give all sides
a fair chance - but again, I think that's
something which is impossible to change.

But, it's such a large one, in light
of how she portrays (and probably
sees) herself, that the incongruity
is VERY painful. I'm not certain if
I lost all my respect for her - though
the attacks on myself certainly have
tainted whatever I had.

Yes, I harp about it. I actually thought
I had done some good, when she changed
to NOT making such attacks, and merely
clapping at even half assed ones against me.
Obviously, my work is not done.

I like Callaway, and yes she has made some mistakes.  As you have also and so have others in that role. 

Perhaps the difference is that as far as I know, she doesn't spend half her life pissed and has a balanced and sensible viewpoint on how to approach most things.  And I respect that.

I don't know what 'power' you are referring to that she has, although, as far as I can see, you are jealous of the respect she has.  Bottom line. 

[odeon]

Exactly. Do what she tells you,
and you are safe. Now do be a good
boy, and do whatever mommy says.

^This looks like it was written by a boy who still has "issues" with his own mommy and projects them onto other women.

 :lol:

Knew if I'd let off complaining, you'd manage to
pull the personal attacks out again.

Prime example. You know that I have disagreement
with my mother. Though it bears not at all upon
the site. Didn't think you'd strike so soon though.

No one went personal on you, to push you, this
time, so THIS is now a prime example.

ffs, you're constantly attacking her. You stated it more or less as a "fact" that Scrap was chased away, hinting strongly that Callaway did it. You did go personal, can't you see that?

You are full of shit, Calandale.

-1

[Calandale]

I like Callaway, and yes she has made some mistakes.  As you have also and so have others in that role. 

Mistakes? If you're talking about the little fuckup
with the thread deletion, I don't see that as worth
a rat's ass. I'm NOT upset that she's not competent.
She's far more so, at certain tasks regularly desired in
an admin, than I am. Hell, only Renaeden gives her
a run for the money there, AFAIC.

Perhaps the difference is that as far as I know, she doesn't spend half her life pissed and has a balanced and sensible viewpoint on how to approach most things.  And I respect that.

Pissed as in drunk, or angry.
I'm seldom drunk.

Angry? Nah. I see things which I
feel committed to fight. That's all.

I don't know what 'power' you are referring to that she has, although, as far as I can see, you are jealous of the respect she has.  Bottom line.

Respect generates power.
I believe that some of what
she has is not fairly earned.

Am I jealous? I don't think so.
Whenever people start fawning
over me, in that kind of manner,
I make damned sure to disillusion
them. No one is bloody perfect,
and it's vital (to my own sanity) to
avoid being convinced that I am, by
others. She doesn't do this.

Could be a TOM thing. Could be, that she's
NOT badly effected by it. But, given how hard
she seems to strive to achieve that respect, I'm
rather disgusted. My own tendencies are the
exact opposite, and I believe them more honorable.

[Calandale]

ffs, you're constantly attacking her. You stated it more or less as a "fact" that Scrap was chased away, hinting strongly that Callaway did it. You did go personal, can't you see that?

You are full of shit, Calandale.

-1

We obviously have different meanings
to 'personal'. I mean, that I don't attack
her personal life, outside of what she
presents directly on the site.

Scrap was chased away. She was instrumental.
There's nothing outside of the events on this
site in that statement. If you wish, we could
negotiate a term which disturbs you less, for
what I'm expressing. Honestly though, personal
seems to sum it up.

[Calandale]

Back at you on the -,
mainly because IF we
are misunderstanding
each other's use of the
word, you are at least as
much at fault. I've explained
what I mean by it, again and
again. Your meaning is a complete
mystery to me.

[Eclair]

ffs, you're constantly attacking her. You stated it more or less as a "fact" that Scrap was chased away, hinting strongly that Callaway did it. You did go personal, can't you see that?

You are full of shit, Calandale.

-1

We obviously have different meanings
to 'personal'. I mean, that I don't attack
her personal life, outside of what she
presents directly on the site.

Scrap was chased away. She was instrumental.
There's nothing outside of the events on this
site in that statement. If you wish, we could
negotiate a term which disturbs you less, for
what I'm expressing. Honestly though, personal
seems to sum it up.

Scrap is a grown man and hardly needs your interpretation of the events to fight his battle.

I also resent the fact that you think that Callaway's 'respect' has been unfairly or deviously earned.  I think at my age, I pretty much don't need YOUR interpretation of whom deserves my respect, I can pretty much sort that out by myself.

[Calandale]

Scrap is a grown man and hardly needs your interpretation of the events to fight his battle.

True. This ain't for him. It wasn't
worth sticking around for the abuse
for him.

I also resent the fact that you think that Callaway's 'respect' has been unfairly or deviously earned.  I think at my age, I pretty much don't need YOUR interpretation of whom deserves my respect, I can pretty much sort that out by myself.

You don't need anything. I understand that.
Nor is this for you then. Others haven't been
here so carefully sucking up what they are fed.

[odeon]

ffs, you're constantly attacking her. You stated it more or less as a "fact" that Scrap was chased away, hinting strongly that Callaway did it. You did go personal, can't you see that?

You are full of shit, Calandale.

-1

We obviously have different meanings
to 'personal'. I mean, that I don't attack
her personal life, outside of what she
presents directly on the site.

Scrap was chased away. She was instrumental.
There's nothing outside of the events on this
site in that statement. If you wish, we could
negotiate a term which disturbs you less, for
what I'm expressing. Honestly though, personal
seems to sum it up.

You usually base your attacks on hinting on various bits and pieces of Callaway's character, as you perceive them. To me (and surely to Callaway), it's personal; it doesn't have to be about her personal life, it can just as well be about her person, and that you attack. Sometimes you do it openly, sometimes you only hint at it.

A typical example of the hints are when you suggest (in light of your character assassinations of her) that she drove Scrap away.

You get personal, Cal. No misunderstanding, no redefinition of the word.