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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #195 on: July 16, 2008, 05:28:56 AM »
They are longer, but that's not the same thing. The basic method is unchanged: you state something as a fact, quote this or that, and conclude that irrefutable proof has now been presented.

I do not. I state something as fact, provide a few arguments and give links where you can find irrefutable evidence for the arguments I made.

Another method is to misrepresent facts--the 15,000,000 population counts before and after the war comprise a typical "argument" in that respect.

While it is a fact that both before and after the war the total number of Jews approximated 15,000,000, you're right about the fact that these statistics don't prove a thing. The article I posted right before your post mentions this. It also mentions, however, many stronger arguments against the 6 million figure.

So yes, I choose to ignore those, in most cases, because there just isn't any substance to it. 

Feel free to counterargument the arguments of Graf as provided in the article posted right before your post.

Apart from him deliberately hiding the fact that Rudolf invented the character, including his academic title, without telling the reader?

Rudolf admitted the use of pseudonyms and explained why he used them. Although I agree with you that he would have seemed far more reliable if he hadn't used pseudonyms and quotes them in works published under his own name, that doesn't discredit his actual research nor the research of all the Holocaust Revisionists who never used pseudonyms. You're using character assassination to avoid counterargumenting Rudolf's arguments.

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By the way, what do you think of Simon Wiesenthal and Elie Wiesel? Both are/were propagandists for the ancient alien cause as well as the Holocaust myth and both are proven liars with regards to their WW2 experience.

There you go again, using the method I was talking about. "Proven liars...", "propagandists for the ancient alien cause..."

Just because you're so utterly ignorant, that doesn't mean there is no proof. Jewish critic Finkelstein deals quite extensively with Elie "Weasel" Wiesel in his book "The Holocaust Industry". I'm not sure if he also mentions Wiesenthal, but his lies are dissected here.

You do know that you yourself are a proven liar, don't you?

A liar is someone who tells things he knows are false. Even if I somehow got my facts wrong (which I don't), the fact that I'm convinced I'm right means I'm not a liar.

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In one of your statements, you said that you regarded censoring Holocaust Revisionism in the light of preventing genocide, even though I haven't heard of a single Holocaust Revisionist who supports any form of genocide whatsoever.

Yes, but where did I equal "questioning history books" with "supporting genocide"?

If that's not what you meant, then please explain why you regard Holocaust Revisionism in the light of preventing genocide? How does not believing there ever was a Jewish genocide make a genocide more plausible in the future?

Please note that there have been many genocides in the past that are undisputed. If you need the Holocaust myth as an example of the evil man can do to man, you can just as well replace it by a genocide that is not disputed on historical grounds. For example, you can refer to the millions of people murdered in the name of communism by supporters of Trotsky, Stalin, Pol Pot or others.

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The Roman-Catholic historian Edward Flannery distinguished four varieties of antisemitism[3]:

    * Political and economic antisemitism, giving as examples Cicero and Charles Lindbergh;
    * Theological or religious antisemitism, sometimes known as anti-Judaism;
    * Nationalistic antisemitism, citing Voltaire and other Enlightenment thinkers, who attacked Jews for supposedly having certain characteristics, such as greed and arrogance, and for observing customs such as kashrut and shabbat;
    * Racial antisemitism, which culminated in the Holocaust unleashed by the Nazis.

And this is all their own fault?

First of all, how does a user-edited encyclopedia compare with academic literature that deals specific on this particular issue?

Anyway, I'll address them point by point :
* ) "Political and economic antisemitism" is antisemitism caused by Jews using usury, prostitution, political manipulation or other activities regarded as immoral by gentile society and defending their perceived immorallity towards gentiles in Jewish literature.
* ) "Theological or religious antisemitism" might have been catalysed by the idea that Jews murdered Jesus, but when you actually look at the writings of Catholic authorities from the eras when Jews were persecuted in Catholic countries you find Jews using usury, prostitution, political manipulation or other activities regarded as immoral by gentile society and defending their perceived immorallity towards gentiles in Jewish literature regarded as the main cause for the outlash against the Jewish community. The same is true for Luther's criticism of the Jews.
* ) "Nationalistic antisemitism" : the idea that Jews had certain characteristics such as greed and arrogance was derived from Jews using usury, prostitution, political manipulation or other activities regarded as immoral by gentile society and defending their perceived immorallity towards gentiles in Jewish literature.
* ) "Racial antisemitism" is exactly the same as "nationalistic antisemitism", however fitted within a racialist worldview.

As such, the four different types of antisemitism are not different at all.

BTW, how is it "a historical fact" that "antisemitism is nothing but a typical response to the malign behavior of (a part of) the Jewish community"? Presumably the names you list support that notion, but how, exactly, do those names make it "a historical fact"?

Because the names I listed have written several works of academic quality where they prove this beyond any reasonable doubt. Read their books if you want to know more.

But then, this is the method you use. It's all "historical facts", "irrefutable truths", all "proven beyond any doubt", isn't it? You should try a scientifically more viable method.

I'm only mentioning that something is "historical fact", "irrefutable truth" or all "proven beyond any doubt" when I've stumbled on literature that proves this beyond any doubt. I have referenced to such literature on various occasions. Your ignorance of this literature does not change the fact that their conclusions are irrefutable.
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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #196 on: July 16, 2008, 05:35:29 AM »
But then, this is the method you use. It's all "historical facts", "irrefutable truths", all "proven beyond any doubt", isn't it? You should try a scientifically more viable method.

Agreed, it sounds ridiculous when anyone exert such level of arrogance and blind confidence in any response using such terms; regardless if mainstream, alternative, whatever even if it looks or feels absolutely true. Personally I tune out the moment people start speaking that way, because it's purely rhetoric in nature, and such statements containing it should never be trusted.
Existence actually has two broad meanings despite its apparent meaningless. The constant reconciliation of all its parts, and the conservation of any closed system as a whole.

Morality can be extrapolated from these meanings to make these two commandments of godless morality: 1). Be in harmony with one another and 2). Care for the environment.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #197 on: July 16, 2008, 05:39:24 AM »
Like I said : when I state something as fact, I provide a few arguments for them and give links where you can find irrefutable evidence for those arguments. For everything I label as "proven beyond reasonable doubt", I can provide sources that do prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Just don't expect my to summarize an academic work of 500 pages in a single post. Anyone who is open to it, can buy or download the relevant works and read them for themselves.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #198 on: July 16, 2008, 05:58:06 AM »
Many European countries have such laws like Belgium. In some countries you can get jailed for months without even "addressing" your "hatred" at a specific group. I read a story about a man in Germany who got 5 months in jail for teaching his dog to raise his right front leg. No, it's not a joke. And the dog ended up in a "foster home" where an animal psychologist should learn him not to raise his leg that high. No, it's still not a joke...

Link, please.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #199 on: July 16, 2008, 06:06:55 AM »
Like I said : when I state something as fact, I provide a few arguments for them and give links where you can find irrefutable evidence for those arguments. For everything I label as "proven beyond reasonable doubt", I can provide sources that do prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Just don't expect my to summarize an academic work of 500 pages in a single post. Anyone who is open to it, can buy or download the relevant works and read them for themselves.

Academic works such as those by Dr Konrad?  :hahaha:
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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #200 on: July 16, 2008, 06:09:33 AM »
Many European countries have such laws like Belgium. In some countries you can get jailed for months without even "addressing" your "hatred" at a specific group. I read a story about a man in Germany who got 5 months in jail for teaching his dog to raise his right front leg. No, it's not a joke. And the dog ended up in a "foster home" where an animal psychologist should learn him not to raise his leg that high. No, it's still not a joke...

Link, please.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #201 on: July 16, 2008, 06:17:34 AM »
Like I said : when I state something as fact, I provide a few arguments for them and give links where you can find irrefutable evidence for those arguments. For everything I label as "proven beyond reasonable doubt", I can provide sources that do prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Just don't expect my to summarize an academic work of 500 pages in a single post. Anyone who is open to it, can buy or download the relevant works and read them for themselves.

Academic works such as those by Dr Konrad?  :hahaha:
I was thinking first and foremost of sources like Kevin MacDonald and Israel Shahak on topics like Jewish culture and its conflict with gentile culture, a source like Norman Finkelstein on the Holocaust Industry and the abuse thereof by ancient aliens and sources like David Hoggan and Harry Elmer Barnes on the topic of WW2 history and the fate of the Jews during that war.

By the way, I noticed that you thusfar haven't even attempted to provide a single argument against the arguments of Graf in the article I posted earlier on the Jewish population losses during WW2. Your entire argument on the  Jewish population losses during WW2 has thusfar consisted of copy-pasting death rates without a single mention of how they were obtained.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #202 on: July 16, 2008, 06:18:34 AM »
He hasn't physically hurt people, has he? If you as a foreigner or immigrant commit a violent crime against white people due to their ethnicity you can get away with far less than 5 months, at least in Europe.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #203 on: July 16, 2008, 06:22:08 AM »
Even more so, Holland has punished people for criticising the Holocaust dogmas because it's supposed to offend Jews, whereas they have taken no actions whatsoever against a movement that openly promotes pedophilia. Disagreeing with the status quo on certain historical events that took place more than 60 years ago seems to be more of an issue for Dutch authorities than promoting the legalisation of sex between adults and children.
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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #204 on: July 16, 2008, 06:45:06 AM »
Many European countries have such laws like Belgium. In some countries you can get jailed for months without even "addressing" your "hatred" at a specific group. I read a story about a man in Germany who got 5 months in jail for teaching his dog to raise his right front leg. No, it's not a joke. And the dog ended up in a "foster home" where an animal psychologist should learn him not to raise his leg that high. No, it's still not a joke...

Link, please.

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"Judges had previously been lenient with the former car salesman, who was considered to have diminished culpability due to brain damage sustained in a 1995 accident."
See how these laws can be used to lock up those who could be considered mentally ill. Personally I thought the dog was rather comic myself, over here he would be lauded for satire. Germans have no sense of humour.

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« Reply #205 on: July 16, 2008, 06:47:21 AM »
Pan-European-Arab-Muslim-Gang-Rape-Epidemic

"The youths, aged 13 to 15, allegedly attacked their victim as she walked home from school in the Charlottenburg district which is generally seen as safe area with low crime rates.

    While allegedly gang-raping the girl, the youths are reported to have filmed the sexual attack with a mobile phone camera. Media reports say the four later boasted about the rape to other school children and sent copies of the video to friends.

    Police who detained the four earlier this week have so far not found any film footage of the alleged rape. There is suspicion the video pictures may have been erased and mobile phones of the suspects are being analysed by experts in a bid to retrieve any pictures....

    Adding to the potential explosiveness of the alleged rape is the fact that the four suspects are all the children of immigrant families, while the victim is German. The normally well-informed Bild tabloid said the suspects were two German-Turks, a German Russian and a German-Angolan.

    Federal police statistics released on Monday show non-German youths under the age of 21 were twice as likely to be crime suspects last year than German nationals of the same age.

    Officers in charge of the case are convinced the four youths carried out the gang rape and DNA tests are being carried out on sperm traces found on the victim.

    Given the brutality of the attack, there has been anger over a decision by Berlin justice officials to order the youths be set free. The 13-year-old suspect is too young to be kept in detention under German law, but the other three could be held.

    Berlin justice Senator Karin Schubert insists, however, that even youths suspected of violent crimes can only be kept locked up if there is danger they will flee justice."

Same city, different treatment. After all, they just raped a white slut and he learned his dog to do  Hitler salute.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #206 on: July 16, 2008, 06:50:58 AM »
Germans have no sense of humour.

Most of German censorship can be traced back to 1945, when national-socialism was declared illegal by the allied "liberators" and every expression of German patriotism or sympathy for Hitler was smashed down by various means (from indoctrination and loss of civil rights to imprisonment and execution). Germans were taught to hate their heritage and to be ashamed of being German. As such, the German spirit was broken like a twig and corrupt "democratic" leaders have continued this condition ever since.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #207 on: July 16, 2008, 06:54:20 AM »
Is this nazi stuff all you guys ever think/talk about seems a bit obsessive.  So is there anything else in there or is this a one hit wonder. At least make a thread where it would be all in one place not scattered about in off topic places
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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #208 on: July 16, 2008, 06:54:53 AM »

See how these laws can be used to lock up those who could be considered mentally ill. Personally I thought the dog was rather comic myself, over here he would be lauded for satire. Germans have no sense of humour.

You can often get several months for things that don't even affect anyone physically. You can even get jailed for saying that almost 100% of the crimes of "honour" are  committed by immigrants, even though it's true.

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Re: Wrong Planet.
« Reply #209 on: July 16, 2008, 06:56:47 AM »
Is this nazi stuff all you guys ever think/talk about seems a bit obsessive.  So is there anything else in there or is this a one hit wonder. At least make a thread where it would be all in one place not scattered about in off topic places

This will probably come to America too.